Why do people feel consoles are cheaper then PC?

yeah, that's just silly. Why guild any PC now? And we don't even know the performance level of the PS4

lostrib

That $650 rig I talked about early (the post console fanboys avoided like the plague) could be under $600 come launch time (thats not bad considering an xboxone with online on day 1 is $550 and the ps4 on launch day with online is $450).

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

yeah, that's just silly. Why guild any PC now? And we don't even know the performance level of the PS4

mastershake575

That $650 rig I talked about early (the post console fanboys avoided like the plague) could be under $600 come launch time (thats not bad considering an xboxone with online on day 1 is $550 and the ps4 on launch day with online is $450).

well it's useless trying to create a build targeted at next gen console performance, when we don't know what that is

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yet another fool who believes $500 is enough for a real gaming PC.

PC gaming is expensive. Get over it. You'll get 5-6 years out of a PS4 or X1 and only 2-3 years out of a PC before an upgrade. 

If your argument is "but I can play a bit higher than console settings" then you should just stop and reevaluate your life as that's the absolute worst reason to play PC games out there. You buy a gaming PC for the large variety of games, the massive amount of accessories, the large variety of monitors and gaming setups, and the raw power. You don't buy a PC game so you can barely play above console settings with the multiples. 

DrTrafalgarLaw

Pretty much.

I bought a single PC this generation for $650 (back when both the 360 and PS3 were still $400-$500), and I just can't bring myself to care at all that I can't play Crysis on max.

I played it on med-high, and similarly demanding games, and that was just fine with me. I'll look into getting a new PC once the new consoles are out. No use buying one now.

 

PC gaming is expensive. Get over it. You'll get 5-6 years out of a PS4 or X1 and only 2-3 years out of a PC before an upgrade. 

Wasdie

2-3 years? Wasdie pls...

I made my last PC go a solid 5 years. Did it max everything? No but in the end it was still running new releases on medium. Console level...

[QUOTE="Heclogit"]

A $500 PC rig with corners cut is a PS4. If you spend more then that you just want to be vastly superior to the PS4. 

HadOne2Many

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

 

PC gaming is expensive. Get over it. You'll get 5-6 years out of a PS4 or X1 and only 2-3 years out of a PC before an upgrade. 

Masenkoe

2-3 years? Wasdie pls...

I made my last PC go a solid 5 years. Did it max everything? No but in the end it was still running new releases on medium. Console level...

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

 

PC gaming is expensive. Get over it. You'll get 5-6 years out of a PS4 or X1 and only 2-3 years out of a PC before an upgrade. 

Heclogit

2-3 years? Wasdie pls...

I made my last PC go a solid 5 years. Did it max everything? No but in the end it was still running new releases on medium. Console level...

[QUOTE="Masenkoe"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

 

PC gaming is expensive. Get over it. You'll get 5-6 years out of a PS4 or X1 and only 2-3 years out of a PC before an upgrade. 

Heclogit

2-3 years? Wasdie pls...

I made my last PC go a solid 5 years. Did it max everything? No but in the end it was still running new releases on medium. Console level...

So I've more than proved a point. 

I think a 770 or even a lot less would last the whole gen if you really wanted it to.  

Because they are

300 bucks for a console and a mininum of 500 bucks for a lightweight gaming PC.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

You can get a sub-$600 PC that's more powerful than next-gen consolesDrTrafalgarLaw

There are issues with your supposed build.  There is no such thing as an AMD 7890.  There is a 7870 XT, which is more powerful than the GPUs in the PS4 and XB1 combined.  The Jaguar 8-core CPU in the PS4 is clocked so low that it's not impressive.  Any 3ghz+ AMD quad-core or better from their last 2 or 3 generations is better.  First you need to accept these things before you call me or anyone else "chump," or are even ready to see the builds I can offer.  

You're also forgetting that any PC we build is going to be a multi-purpose machine.  I never said I could build a better gaming PC for $400 or less.  I said $600.  The extra $200 is for the added functionality and upgradability.  

Yet another fool who believes $500 is enough for a real gaming PC.

PC gaming is expensive. Get over it. You'll get 5-6 years out of a PS4 or X1 and only 2-3 years out of a PC before an upgrade. 

If your argument is "but I can play a bit higher than console settings" then you should just stop and reevaluate your life as that's the absolute worst reason to play PC games out there. You buy a gaming PC for the large variety of games, the massive amount of accessories, the large variety of monitors and gaming setups, and the raw power. You don't buy a PC game so you can barely play above console settings with the multiples. 

Wasdie

I've been in the PC gaming world for 15 years Wasdie, and I have to say that I somewhat disagree with you on this.  For $600 you can have a very competent gaming PC that probably won't need an upgrade for 3+ years.  Even if someone built a PC in 2006-07 and are now barely able to match or beat the consoles in terms of visual for multiplatforms, they still made the better investment.  IDK about you, but I use my PC for a heck of a lot more than gaming.  Do the cows and lemmings have no use for business apps, word processing, video and photo work, and the other things that PCs can do?  

Maybe there are people out there that build $500 PC's and play games on them, but I've never met one. And I've certainly built one myself, I always spend at least a grand. If I'm going to put up with all of the BS of PC gaming then I'm at least going to play on some beefy hardware.

Maybe there are people out there that build $500 PC's and play games on them, but I've never met one. And I've certainly built one myself, I always spend at least a grand. If I'm going to put up with all of the BS of PC gaming then I'm at least going to play on some beefy hardware.

Teufelhuhn

I know people who've done that. In fact, I helped them build them. They don't care about the best graphics, just that it looks better than the consoles, and it does. Also, those same people can use a keyboard and mouse easier than they can use a controller.

Keep in mind, these people are on budgets and can't really afford to spend more than that on a PC.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

You can get a sub-$600 PC that's more powerful than next-gen consolesDrTrafalgarLaw

Here you go, chump-

GIGABYTE GZ-F3HEB Black SECC Steel / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

WD WD Blue WDBAAX5000ENC-NRSN 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Retail kit

BIOSTAR A55ML2 FM2 AMD Motherboard

Diablotek DA Series PSDA600 600W ATX12V v2.2 Power Supply

Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

AMD Athlon X4 740 Trinity 3.2GHz Socket FM2 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit

LG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model UH12NS30

SAPPHIRE 100311-3L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card

$587 for that.  

Don't whine about the CPU being a quad-core.  It's a 3.2ghz quad-core of similar design to the 1.6ghz 8-core in the PS4.  Don't moan about the GPU being a 6970 and not a 7000 series either.  The 6970 is a full-featured DX11 GPU and has 2.7 Tflops of compute power, which is far more than the 7000 series custom GPU in the PS4.  If we're talking performance in PC games, it's right there in between the 7850 and 7870, which is where the PS4 GPU ranks from what we can tell.  This PC also includes a 12x BD-ROM drive, versus the 6x in the PS4.  

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6970/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6970-overview.aspx#2

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/ps4/51981-sony-playstation-4-powered-8-core-amd-jaguar-processor/

Arguing value or price against PC is a losing battle this gen. It's only going to get worse later this year. 

And what's up with haters ripping on $500 PCs. Isn't that what the X1 and PS4 are? I say if you're a value oriented gamer go for the $500 rig with solid choices in mobo and PSU, then upgrade to a better GPU in a couple years. 2yrs. from this holiday a $150 buys you a GPU like 3-4 times the power of a console and a generational leap beyond current hardware.

Portraying the PC as a super-console, primarily built for better multiplats, is great disservice to what makes it great, and I feel many hermits here have lost the plot.

They just released the 700 series of NVidia cards. PC graphics are all determined by graphics cards. GTX 760 is $250 with Splinter Cell Black List. A budget oriented card but still in my opinion more capable then the PS4. After that you would have to shop around for a motherboard, cpu and ram. DVD drive and Power Supply. Depending on what deals you can find I would say that you could build a very proficient computer for 500-800. It would cost more if you don't have a decent monitor and I have had a PC case since what seems like forever. But a good PC monitor is like what 100 bucks? A gaming TV is 500-1000. 

Um no

They just released the 700 series of NVidia cards. PC graphics are all determined by graphics cards. GTX 760 is $250 with Splinter Cell Black List. A budget oriented card but still in my opinion more capable then the PS4. After that you would have to shop around for a motherboard, cpu and ram. DVD drive and Power Supply. Depending on what deals you can find I would say that you could build a very proficient computer for 500-800. It would cost more if you don't have a decent monitor and I have had a PC case since what seems like forever. But a good PC monitor is like what 100 bucks? A gaming TV is 500-1000. 

Heclogit

[QUOTE="HadOne2Many"][QUOTE="Heclogit"]

A $500 PC rig with corners cut is a PS4. If you spend more then that you just want to be vastly superior to the PS4. 

Heclogit

$700 would be the minimum for a PS4-comparable gaming PC, assuming I stick to 1080p for the next few years.

That said, I can't stick with a PS4 alone. I still need a non-gaming PC to do the additional functions a gaming PC have such as posting here at GS. None of those here at GS probably care to factor in the cost of a non-gaming PC or laptop which I bet most here in SW have. They should factor it in if they're the ones paying the bills.

yes. they are indeed more expensive but you can do so much more with them. it's all about value...kind of like psn+ apparently. ;)

PC's lack multi-player splitscreen. PC gaming requires you to know if your specs are good enough for each game you buy.

PC's lack multi-player splitscreen. PC gaming requires you to know if your specs are good enough for each game you buy.

clr84651

you also have to know what console you have before buying a game. you don't want to end up buying a ps3 game when all you have is a 360. :o

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

PC's lack multi-player splitscreen. PC gaming requires you to know if your specs are good enough for each game you buy.

CaseyWegner

you also have to know what console you have before buying a game. you don't want to end up buying a ps3 game when all you have is a 360. :o

LOL that's funny :P

A soccer mom is more likely to a buy a console with the halo man than a pc with intellectually stimulating gameplay designed for adult minds.

It's just a fact of lfe. Like aids.

$700 would be the minimum for a PS4-comparable gaming PC, assuming I stick to 1080p for the next few years.

That said, I can't stick with a PS4 alone. I still need a non-gaming PC to do the additional functions a gaming PC have such as posting here at GS. None of those here at GS probably care to factor in the cost of a non-gaming PC or laptop which I bet most here in SW have. They should factor it in if they're the ones paying the bills.

jun_aka_pekto

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

$700 would be the minimum for a PS4-comparable gaming PC, assuming I stick to 1080p for the next few years.

That said, I can't stick with a PS4 alone. I still need a non-gaming PC to do the additional functions a gaming PC have such as posting here at GS. None of those here at GS probably care to factor in the cost of a non-gaming PC or laptop which I bet most here in SW have. They should factor it in if they're the ones paying the bills.

lowe0

So? The bill doesn't differentiate whether you already have access to the device ot not. You still have to pay for it. A gaming PC have them built-in. Since we treat every PC gamer like a first timer here by having to buy everything new, the same should also apply to console gamers.

So......

gaming PC  = console + non-gaming PC

$700 would be the minimum for a PS4-comparable gaming PC, assuming I stick to 1080p for the next few years.

That said, I can't stick with a PS4 alone. I still need a non-gaming PC to do the additional functions a gaming PC have such as posting here at GS. None of those here at GS probably care to factor in the cost of a non-gaming PC or laptop which I bet most here in SW have. They should factor it in if they're the ones paying the bills.

jun_aka_pekto

I proved that it can be done for under $600, OS included.  

Here you go, chump-

GIGABYTE GZ-F3HEB Black SECC Steel / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

WD WD Blue WDBAAX5000ENC-NRSN 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Retail kit

BIOSTAR A55ML2 FM2 AMD Motherboard

Diablotek DA Series PSDA600 600W ATX12V v2.2 Power Supply

Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

AMD Athlon X4 740 Trinity 3.2GHz Socket FM2 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit

LG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model UH12NS30

SAPPHIRE 100311-3L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card

$587 for that.  

 

Don't whine about the CPU being a quad-core.  It's a 3.2ghz quad-core of similar design to the 1.6ghz 8-core in the PS4.  Don't moan about the GPU being a 6970 and not a 7000 series either.  The 6970 is a full-featured DX11 GPU and has 2.7 Tflops of compute power, which is far more than the 7000 series custom GPU in the PS4.  If we're talking performance in PC games, it's right there in between the 7850 and 7870, which is where the PS4 GPU ranks from what we can tell.  This PC also includes a 12x BD-ROM drive, versus the 6x in the PS4.  

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6970/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6970-overview.aspx#2

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/ps4/51981-sony-playstation-4-powered-8-core-amd-jaguar-processor/

 

hartsickdiscipl

See, you're comparing PC parts to that of a console. Which is idiotic. Also, that mobo and case are cheap, you're putting an outdated GPU in the thing, the CPU is weak, and it has a relatively small harddrive for a modern PC. I would give that thing 1-2 years before you either have to replace a part that burnt out (shit cooling in the case, crappy motherboard), or you're dropping your resolution down just to get playable frames in modern games. 

All you are doing is trying to build a POS computer that has more benchmark performance than a $400 console. Real world performance will suffer greatly when you have to factor the overhead of the OS, GPU drivers, and graphics API that is tuned for a "one size fits all" approach.

If you really have been doing PC gaming for 15 years you would know the hassle of building and maintaining a well running gaming machine where you don't have to compromise anything is worth spending more than $600 on. Your only intent here is to build a machine that, on paper, has more raw performance than a machine which is built to be a cheap alternative to the exact thing you're trying to build.

Consoles exist for their convenience and their price. In the end, running a game with a few more pixels than a console version at the great hassle that can be PC gaming isn't worth it. At that point you're trying to boost your ego more than you're trying to enjoy video games. You're going to get far more life out of a console if you're trying to stuff a gaming PC under $600.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. 

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

$700 would be the minimum for a PS4-comparable gaming PC, assuming I stick to 1080p for the next few years.

That said, I can't stick with a PS4 alone. I still need a non-gaming PC to do the additional functions a gaming PC have such as posting here at GS. None of those here at GS probably care to factor in the cost of a non-gaming PC or laptop which I bet most here in SW have. They should factor it in if they're the ones paying the bills.

jun_aka_pekto

So? The bill doesn't differentiate whether you already have access to the device ot not. You still have to pay for it. A gaming PC have them built-in. Since we treat every PC gamer like a first timer here by having to buy everything new, the same should also apply to console gamers.

So......

gaming PC  = console + non-gaming PC

It is impossible to build a PC with the hardware of a console for the same price.

COnsole manufacturers order parts in bulk,due to which they have to pay FAR less than the market price.Even after that,consoles are sold for a loss.

And then you also have to upgrade your PC at least once.

+PC hardware is much more expensive outside USA.Between 1.5x and 2x where I live.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Here you go, chump-

GIGABYTE GZ-F3HEB Black SECC Steel / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

WD WD Blue WDBAAX5000ENC-NRSN 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Retail kit

BIOSTAR A55ML2 FM2 AMD Motherboard

Diablotek DA Series PSDA600 600W ATX12V v2.2 Power Supply

Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

AMD Athlon X4 740 Trinity 3.2GHz Socket FM2 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit

LG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model UH12NS30

SAPPHIRE 100311-3L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card

$587 for that.  

 

Don't whine about the CPU being a quad-core.  It's a 3.2ghz quad-core of similar design to the 1.6ghz 8-core in the PS4.  Don't moan about the GPU being a 6970 and not a 7000 series either.  The 6970 is a full-featured DX11 GPU and has 2.7 Tflops of compute power, which is far more than the 7000 series custom GPU in the PS4.  If we're talking performance in PC games, it's right there in between the 7850 and 7870, which is where the PS4 GPU ranks from what we can tell.  This PC also includes a 12x BD-ROM drive, versus the 6x in the PS4.  

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6970/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6970-overview.aspx#2

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/ps4/51981-sony-playstation-4-powered-8-core-amd-jaguar-processor/

 

Wasdie

See, you're comparing PC parts to that of a console. Which is idiotic. Also, that mobo and case are cheap, you're putting an outdated GPU in the thing, the CPU is weak, and it has a relatively small harddrive for a modern PC. I would give that thing 1-2 years before you either have to replace a part that burnt out (shit cooling in the case, crappy motherboard), or you're dropping your resolution down just to get playable frames in modern games. 

All you are doing is trying to build a POS computer that has more benchmark performance than a $400 console. Real world performance will suffer greatly when you have to factor the overhead of the OS, GPU drivers, and graphics API that is tuned for a "one size fits all" approach.

If you really have been doing PC gaming for 15 years you would know the hassle of building and maintaining a well running gaming machine where you don't have to compromise anything is worth spending more than $600 on. Your only intent here is to build a machine that, on paper, has more raw performance than a machine which is built to be a cheap alternative to the exact thing you're trying to build.

Consoles exist for their convenience and their price. In the end, running a game with a few more pixels than a console version at the great hassle that can be PC gaming isn't worth it. At that point you're trying to boost your ego more than you're trying to enjoy video games. You're going to get far more life out of a console if you're trying to stuff a gaming PC under $600.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. 

Hold on now, you're way off base.  He wanted a computer that would match the power of the PS4, and I made one.  That was the mission.  Nobody said anything about the quality of the case or the PSU.  We both know that the consoles are made from cheap, mass production parts that are known to fail.  RROD, anyone?  Let's not even go there.  The specs of the PSU are just fine for handling this computer.  While I personally choose to use brand name PSUs in my computers, nobody knows how long they will hold up.  I've seen $20 PSUs power computers for 10 years without a hitch.  If you want to add a couple of $5 120mm fans to the case, go for it.  It's still under $600.  That would be more than sufficient cooling.    

That CPU that you are calling weak is at least as powerful as what's going into the PS4, and you know it.  The GPU is fine.  It's a freaking 6970.  It has more throughput than what's said to be in PS4, and it's a 2nd gen DX11 card.  I guarantee you that if I built this computer today, it would run multiplatform games just fine at equivalent settings to the consoles.  All it needs to do is 30fps 1080p or 30-60fps 720p.  Obviously that wouldn't be much of any issue for this computer in most games.   

I'm disappointed in you Wasdie.  You attacked my post for no good reason.  

PlayStation is atleast.

Sure we pay for PlayStation Plus, but it gives you loads of content. In 2012 alone we got over $1500 worth of content. And that's only one year. I don't know about 2013 but I assume it's about the same or even more. PlayStation Plus just pays for itself really.

Hold on now, you're way off base.  He wanted a computer that would match the power of the PS4, and I made one.  

I'm disappointed in you Wasdie.  You attacked my post for no good reason.  

hartsickdiscipl

While I think you did fine with the build, I recommend sticking with products that maintain at least 4/5 stars and have plenty of reviews. 

People talk about the $400-500 pricepoint and how a PC at $500-600 won't even last a few years, which at this point is pure conjecture, but they fail to mention a $400-500 console only provides 50% functionality out of the gate. They are really $800-900 consoles.

Now with X1 you're paying $500 up front and another $400 over a gen for online and that gets you a nerfed 7790 with DDR3 as RAM and 10% OS overhead for ~1.1TFLOPS of accessible power. It's gfx capability sucks even compared to a $99 GPU with 3 new games included. Have you SEEN Titanfall? It looks like a game from 2 gens ago and runs like shit.

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Wasdie, who in their right f*cking mind would recommend that dung over a $600 PC with a 7850 2GB OC and 3 free games? 

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] We already have access to that kind of device. How else are we posting here? From browsing to banking to telecommuting, a decent sized tablet can cover my needs pretty well. I have a larger array of hardware than that, but that's because I can, not because I need it.lowe0

So? The bill doesn't differentiate whether you already have access to the device ot not. You still have to pay for it. A gaming PC have them built-in. Since we treat every PC gamer like a first timer here by having to buy everything new, the same should also apply to console gamers.

So......

gaming PC  = console + non-gaming PC

Adding a Windows laptop ($248 for a singlecore Celeron with Win 7) to a next-gen console (esp the XB1) lines up much closer to what I normally spend for a mid-range PC. The PC I bought in 2009 could still game okay if I really wanted to stick with it and it cost me $750; $790 if I added a new case instead of using my old one.

So... yeah. :lol:

Gaming PC  = console + non-gaming PC/tablet/laptop.  

$500 is too low.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

$700 would be the minimum for a PS4-comparable gaming PC, assuming I stick to 1080p for the next few years.

That said, I can't stick with a PS4 alone. I still need a non-gaming PC to do the additional functions a gaming PC have such as posting here at GS. None of those here at GS probably care to factor in the cost of a non-gaming PC or laptop which I bet most here in SW have. They should factor it in if they're the ones paying the bills.

hartsickdiscipl

I proved that it can be done for under $600, OS included.  

Yeah. But, you bought a Diablotek PSU. I bought one too before and got laughed at in the PC hardware subforum. :lol:

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

$700 would be the minimum for a PS4-comparable gaming PC, assuming I stick to 1080p for the next few years.

That said, I can't stick with a PS4 alone. I still need a non-gaming PC to do the additional functions a gaming PC have such as posting here at GS. None of those here at GS probably care to factor in the cost of a non-gaming PC or laptop which I bet most here in SW have. They should factor it in if they're the ones paying the bills.

jun_aka_pekto

I proved that it can be done for under $600, OS included.  

Yeah. But, you bought a Diablotek PSU. I bought one too before and got laughed at in the PC hardware subforum. :lol:

diablotek seems to be synonymous with failure/fire

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

I proved that it can be done for under $600, OS included.  

lostrib

Yeah. But, you bought a Diablotek PSU. I bought one too before and got laughed at in the PC hardware subforum. :lol:

diablotek seems to be synonymous with failure/fire

Actually, it's (my Diablotek 700w) fine with lower spec cards like my HD 5770. For some reason, my GTX 560 Ti caused the PSU to heat up. That PSU only had 36 amps at the 12v rail (versus 50+ amps for better known brands). It's still working okay with my original Phenom II X3 720BE/HD5770 now used as a Linux box. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Yeah. But, you bought a Diablotek PSU. I bought one too before and got laughed at in the PC hardware subforum. :lol:

jun_aka_pekto

diablotek seems to be synonymous with failure/fire

Actually, it's (my Diablotek 700w) fine with lower spec cards like my HD 5770. For some reason, my GTX 560 Ti caused the PSU to heat up. That PSU only had 36 amps at the 12v rail (versus 50+ amps for better known brands). It's still working okay with my original Phenom II X3 720BE/HD5770 now used as a Linux box. 

Diablotek are really sh*t, there is no getting around it, a ticking time bomb.

please, not this shit again

lostrib

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

You can get a sub-$600 PC that's more powerful than next-gen consoleshartsickdiscipl

Here you go, chump-

GIGABYTE GZ-F3HEB Black SECC Steel / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

WD WD Blue WDBAAX5000ENC-NRSN 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Retail kit

BIOSTAR A55ML2 FM2 AMD Motherboard

Diablotek DA Series PSDA600 600W ATX12V v2.2 Power Supply

Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

AMD Athlon X4 740 Trinity 3.2GHz Socket FM2 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit

LG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model UH12NS30

SAPPHIRE 100311-3L Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card

$587 for that.  

Don't whine about the CPU being a quad-core.  It's a 3.2ghz quad-core of similar design to the 1.6ghz 8-core in the PS4.  Don't moan about the GPU being a 6970 and not a 7000 series either.  The 6970 is a full-featured DX11 GPU and has 2.7 Tflops of compute power, which is far more than the 7000 series custom GPU in the PS4.  If we're talking performance in PC games, it's right there in between the 7850 and 7870, which is where the PS4 GPU ranks from what we can tell.  This PC also includes a 12x BD-ROM drive, versus the 6x in the PS4.  

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6970/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6970-overview.aspx#2

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/ps4/51981-sony-playstation-4-powered-8-core-amd-jaguar-processor/

Console gaming is cheaper for your average gamer. I know people love to try to twist things to make it seem the opposite... but the reason people buy consoles over PCs is because its cheaper for them.

Consoles do not need to be upgraded, if you build a PC on par or slightly above console spec... its going to struggle to keep up with consoles 5 years from now.  In addition almost everyone has a tv and a couch... but alot of people dont have a computer monitor, or desk or comfortable computer chair, or a headset/pc speakers. Yes of course you can PC game without these things, but if you want to game comfortably and enjoy your PC experience to your fullest... most people dont wanna be slumming it hunched over their coffee table trying to play SC2. When probably 99% of PC gamers have a monitor/desk setup, it really begs the question of just how optional it is if almost everyone considered it a necessary cost.

I dont know if hermits believe the reason why people prefer consoles is because they are all just morons, but there are alot of valid reasons why people prefer consoles over PC. For most it will be more cost effective and for just about everyone it will be more convenient.

Like gaming on TV, with games made for controls not keyboards, Also like console exclusives better. So a PS4 here I go.

While I think you did fine with the build, I recommend sticking with products that maintain at least 4/5 stars and have plenty of reviews. 

People talk about the $400-500 pricepoint and how a PC at $500-600 won't even last a few years, which at this point is pure conjecture, but they fail to mention a $400-500 console only provides 50% functionality out of the gate. They are really $800-900 consoles.

Now with X1 you're paying $500 up front and another $400 over a gen for online and that gets you a nerfed 7790 with DDR3 as RAM and 10% OS overhead for ~1.1TFLOPS of accessible power. It's gfx capability sucks even compared to a $99 GPU with 3 new games included. Have you SEEN Titanfall? It looks like a game from 2 gens ago and runs like shit.

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Wasdie, who in their right f*cking mind would recommend that dung over a $600 PC with a 7850 2GB OC and 3 free games? 

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I would because it's a way less hassle than having to maintain a weak rig over the next 5 years.

I'm not so obsessed with power that I lose sight of all convinces that a console provides. There are many bonuses to owning a console over a struggling PC. The biggest being you'll know that every game you buy for the system will run well on it. Simple as that. 

I was writing a big response to this but I don't feel like arguing with people with a massive superiority complex.

Both the Xbox 1 and PS4 are going to be superior choices for the vast majority of gamers who want to play games for the next 5-7 years with minimal hassle, minimal downtime, and a large amount of options. Consoles do social gaming much better (social as in living room and multiple users on a same machine) and give you a lot more ways to utilize your HDTV. PSN and XBL are both small prices to pay and if the machine is used constantly for its many different features, those services become worth far more than their asking price. In that same 5 years with a crappy PC you're looking at probably doubling its costs with updates alone if you want to play the latest games without massive massive sacrifices. If you are buying the latest PC games and having to turn the graphic settings down to medium or low, why are you even bothering?

That's why I would recommend somebody get a console over a cheap PC. If you're going to do a PC, do it right. Don't do it JUST to say you have something a bit more powerful than a console. BTW, the vast majority of gamers don't give one flying crap about how many theoretical flops a machine can do. I know I don't give a crap even with my PC.