Why do people hate good stories like Metal Gear Solid? Can someone tell me why?

personally, MGS has one of the best stories ever in in vidoegames, I said one of! I did not say the absulote all time best so please no trolling.

I think people hate stories is because people are just to lazy to pay any attintion to good stories anymore. Hell I have ADD and pay attintion to good stories better then 90% of gamers anymore! it seems as better stories come out, the more trolls come and say, "Storey two confuziling! horribllely storiy! TROLL TROLL, Let'z Mak it'z sem baad to Eveeryon soo Noes oone WiLl likie StoRIE's any'smore's!"



honestly, why do people hate good storylines anymore?

Because the story is told really badly.

To me, there's a difference between a easy to understand good story and a hard to understand good story. I'm one of the people who love the MGS story, but at the same time, I remember it didn't make a lick of sense when I started. MGS is one of those games that you really need to pay attention to in order to understand it.

Because the story is pretty badly overrated. It's ok, but it's hardly beyond some comicbook stuff, It's barely graphic novel quality storytelling. But I do like the characters.

To me, there's a difference between a easy to understand good story and a hard to understand good story. I'm one of the people who love the MGS story, but at the same time, I remember it didn't make a lick of sense when I started. MGS is one of those games that you really need to pay attention to in order to understand it.

Legendaryscmt

Because the story is told really badly.

JangoWuzHere

That's why.

long cut scenes suck

It makes no sense whatsoever. Like so many indie films in an attempt to look and sound deep and involving, it ends up being a frustratingly incomprehensible plot. The action, CG, and charcter developement is good, however the story just comes off as muddled. It really seems like they werent planning on a sequal after the first MGS, so thus they resulted in a horribly confusing backstory, and lame Deux Ex Machina moments. That is only if you take the MGS story as face value and only play the games for the gameplay. I'm sure there is something intelligable behind all the muddled story lines, but for me i just like the game not the story. Now for a good story how about some bishock?

The story is really hard to understand if you have not played all MGS and i feel like it is a soap opera.

Short attention spans coupled with a general lack of maturity can make MGS story lines seem tedious...67gt500

I just think they don't like stories. Games nowadays such as CoD have a paper thin story, and just throw explosions and guns at you to get your attention. I love Metal Gear so I can tolerate it's crazy storyline, but people also hated Bioshock's and some other games. I just hate how games are gearing towards less story and more blood and violence.

Edit: Why did that guy a few posts above me say "MGS sucks" when his name Kojima_Hideo?

mgs has the best story, and is best series in gaming ever. nuff said /THREAD

[QUOTE="67gt500"]Short attention spans coupled with a general lack of maturity can make MGS story lines seem tedious...Wii_Gamer_277

Lol i must be really smart, my first game was MGS2 and by MGS3 i got pretty mutch the whole idea figured out

people just love to bash what they cant undersantd MGS is one of the best, and people get blind they let bad aspects get in the way of the game as whole, kojima's games dont excel only by story, the music is amazing really, the graphics always good, the voice acting one of the best, the originality fan service, and badass bosses, nostalgia factor, everything is in there

people hate great cinematic experiences, yet they love inconditionaly super generic shooters

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[QUOTE="67gt500"]Short attention spans coupled with a general lack of maturity can make MGS story lines seem tedious...67gt500

Why do people think Metal Gear Solid has a good story? Can someone tell me why?

It's not that we hate the story, it would make a great movie, but it takes too much out of the actual game. If bad games start getting hailed because of their stories or graphics, then game quality will go down.Willy105

depending on the game, for me, the story is even more important than the gameplay.

so, yes, there can be, imo, great games with bad gameplay but awesome history.

MGS has a great plot, however the storytelling aspect of it sucked horribly.

Why do people think Metal Gear Solid has a good story? Can someone tell me why?

mijkil

its deep, its long, as many things involved, its far from generic, it dares to use real time dates/events with sci-fy, it has a lot conspiracy, and its not forgettable and simploric as pretty mutch 99% of games

either way kojima has a life achivement award for it. i would love see him in a new franchise with a story as deep as this one

Deep????????

Im sorry a mess of convoluted plot lines does not equal depth of story telling. At times, its really is difficult to shake the feeling that Kojima just makes it up as he goes along, extracating himself from plot holes and contradictions by shoving more and more twists at us.

Having said that, the setting and style is certainly cool, but hardly original and I while do like Snake, its only because hes such a great rip-off of Snake Plisken.

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="Wii_Gamer_277"] You really belive this:|

Wii_Gamer_277

[QUOTE="Wii_Gamer_277"][QUOTE="67gt500"] Absolutely - MGS games contain a lot of situations, elements and innuendos that Kojima intended to be enjoyed by mature audiences only... 67gt500

its deep, its long, as many things involved, its far from generic, it dares to use real time dates/events with sci-fy, it has a lot conspiracy, and its not forgettable and simploric as pretty mutch 99% of games

[QUOTE="SionPT"]

its deep, its long, as many things involved, its far from generic, it dares to use real time dates/events with sci-fy, it has a lot conspiracy, and its not forgettable and simploric as pretty mutch 99% of games

lowe0

exatly. The promenor is that kojima gave the story "wings", it made it last 20 years.

if only storys like deus ex's or bioshock would be given "wings", we would have a lot better frinchinces and epics out there.

i mean the first MGS was nothing but(apart from game itselft that really good) snake(that even looked somewhat ugly by then) defeating a robot and saving the end of the day.. generic, but kojima twisted and tranformed it in a 20 year long conspiracy.

many should learn from kojima(that why hes working on 3/4 games at the same time o0, i guess

personally, MGS has one of the best stories ever in in vidoegames, I said one of! I did not say the absulote all time best so please no trolling.

I think people hate stories is because people are just to lazy to pay any attintion to good stories anymore. Hell I have ADD and pay attintion to good stories better then 90% of gamers anymore! it seems as better stories come out, the more trolls come and say, "Storey two confuziling! horribllely storiy! TROLL TROLL, Let'z Mak it'z sem baad to Eveeryon soo Noes oone WiLl likie StoRIE's any'smore's!"



honestly, why do people hate good storylines anymore?

Kojima_Hideo

MGS sucksKojima_Hideo

I dunno why everyone hates it, I love the story.

It's not the story that's the problem, it's the longass cutscenes. They bore me to death and it happens like every 5 happens or so.

metal gear's story is great. let the haters hate

[QUOTE="Wii_Gamer_277"][QUOTE="67gt500"] Absolutely - MGS games contain a lot of situations, elements and innuendos that Kojima intended to be enjoyed by mature audiences only... 67gt500

Because the story is pretty badly overrated. It's ok, but it's hardly beyond some comicbook stuff, It's barely graphic novel quality storytelling.

heretrix

this. It's not that the story is bad, but it's nothing special, and I'm not a huge fan of the japanese art style in games.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="SionPT"]

its deep, its long, as many things involved, its far from generic, it dares to use real time dates/events with sci-fy, it has a lot conspiracy, and its not forgettable and simploric as pretty mutch 99% of games

SionPT

exatly. The promenor is that kojima gave the story "wings", it made it last 20 years.

if only storys like deus ex's or bioshock would be given "wings", we would have a lot better frinchinces and epics out there.

i mean the first MGS was nothing but(apart from game itselft that really good) snake(that even looked somewhat ugly by then) defeating a robot and saving the end of the day.. generic, but kojima twisted and tranformed it in a 20 year long conspiracy.

many should learn from kojima(that why hes working on 3/4 games at the same time o0, i guess

metal gear's story is great. let the haters hate

ultraking

Listen people, convoluted stories aren't good storys, they are just stories told badly. They can still be enjoyable as Lost and the MGS series show, but in the hands of better storytellers they would be less confusing.

They're convoluted, MGS1 had the best story in the franchise, MGS3 was close, MGS4 was decent, MGS2 was LOL.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Because the story is pretty badly overrated. It's ok, but it's hardly beyond some comicbook stuff, It's barely graphic novel quality storytelling.

Brendissimo35

this. It's not that the story is bad, but it's nothing special, and I'm not a huge fan of the japanese art style in games.

Actually MGS probably has the least anime/manga influence despite its made-in-Japan status.

But yeah, being a long-time MGS fan myself, I have to say that as good as it is in terms of being a game, story-wise a lot of books out there are still better.

But if one decides to stay enclosed in the video game bubble for the rest of his life, yeah MGS has one of the best stories you'll ever see. So yeah, you guys need to go to a library and read actual books, not just graphic novels, but real books.

The Japanese just cant tell a coherent story, they just dont have the talent. There is always too much back story that breaks up the narrative. They cant write a coherent story that starts from the beginning and flows to a strong ending.

yes i do know lost has a very convoluted story. its the reason i like it. and prolly a VERY GOOD reason why i think metal gear has a good story also. just b/c you dont like convoluted stories , doesnt mean its a bad story..

[QUOTE="ultraking"]

metal gear's story is great. let the haters hate

heretrix

Listen people, convoluted stories aren't good storys, they are just stories told badly. They can still be enjoyable as Lost and the MGS series show, but in the hands of better storytellers they would be less confusing.

I just think the story was "good" , not great, not amazing, just "good".

The problem is, that most people who rave about the MGS storylines just haven't played other games with good stories to compare them to.

For example, if someone who though the MGS story was amazing played Deus Ex for the first time, at the end of the game, he/she would realize that the MGS story is not quite as amazing as he/she once thought.

But I will say that the MGS stories are some of the best found in mainstream games.