Why do people hate good stories like Metal Gear Solid? Can someone tell me why?

Because the story is told really badly.

JangoWuzHere

Because it's difficult to follow, seems like a pretty legitimate reason to dislike the story if you ask me.

Because it's difficult to follow, seems like a pretty legitimate reason to dislike the story if you ask me.

Rob-Belmont

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Because it's not a good story?metalgear-solid

In all seriousness, MGS has one of the best storylines in video gaming through history.

personally, MGS has one of the best stories ever in in vidoegames, I said one of! I did not say the absulote all time best so please no trolling.

I think people hate stories is because people are just to lazy to pay any attintion to good stories anymore. Hell I have ADD and pay attintion to good stories better then 90% of gamers anymore! it seems as better stories come out, the more trolls come and say, "Storey two confuziling! horribllely storiy! TROLL TROLL, Let'z Mak it'z sem baad to Eveeryon soo Noes oone WiLl likie StoRIE's any'smore's!"



honestly, why do people hate good storylines anymore?

Kojima_Hideo

personally, MGS has one of the best stories ever in in vidoegames, I said one of! I did not say the absulote all time best so please no trolling.

I think people hate stories is because people are just to lazy to pay any attintion to good stories anymore. Hell I have ADD and pay attintion to good stories better then 90% of gamers anymore! it seems as better stories come out, the more trolls come and say, "Storey two confuziling! horribllely storiy! TROLL TROLL, Let'z Mak it'z sem baad to Eveeryon soo Noes oone WiLl likie StoRIE's any'smore's!"



honestly, why do people hate good storylines anymore?Kojima_Hideo

personally, MGS has one of the best stories ever in in vidoegames, I said one of! I did not say the absulote all time best so please no trolling.

I think people hate stories is because people are just to lazy to pay any attintion to good stories anymore. Hell I have ADD and pay attintion to good stories better then 90% of gamers anymore! it seems as better stories come out, the more trolls come and say, "Storey two confuziling! horribllely storiy! TROLL TROLL, Let'z Mak it'z sem baad to Eveeryon soo Noes oone WiLl likie StoRIE's any'smore's!"



honestly, why do people hate good storylines anymore?

Kojima_Hideo

Well, BioShock and Mass Effect sucked, so that leaves MGS4 on top.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Becuase the industry is now so dominated by casual gamers who believe they are actually "real" or "hardcore" gamers. These casual may play a lot of games, and stuck around for a couple gens, but they still have the casual habbits that started them gaming in the fist place. basically, they only care about twitch gaming, the best graphics and lots of explosions/blood or violence. In short...they only care about FPS.

The idea that a game may have moments that don't assualt your eyeballs with fire and/or blood is seen as a waste of their time. They think that if they wanted story and character development, they would just read a book or something.

dkrustyklown

Nonsense. Video games have NEVER been about telling a story.

I play a game in order to, well, I dunno, PLAY A GAME!

If I want a story, then I'll read a book or watch a movie.

Video games are about twitch reflexes, hand-eye coordination, and problem-solving.

I don't think that the story of MGS is as good as the presentation. They're like movies.

Well, BioShock and Mass Effect sucked, so that leaves MGS4 on top.

metalgear-solid

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Thats **** man, the story makes perfect sense.

VerdantForce

Don't get me wrong, the gameplay in the MGS series is really fun(MGS3 being my favourite), but the lack of an proper direction in which the story progresses and doesn't lose steam is what I think it lacked, it always stopped too much to give way too much backstory. The MGS series to me story wise was like a big run on sentences with grammer mistakes, it just needs editing to make sense.

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Thats **** man, the story makes perfect sense.

heretrix

all your doing is bashing like a fanboy.

stuff like special dvd, databases etc are complements.

halo had novels that dosent mean the games sucked that hard the novels had to correct it

SionPT youre portuguese, arent you?

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[QUOTE="VerdantForce"]

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Thats **** man, the story makes perfect sense.

SionPT

all your doing is bashing like a fanboy.

stuff like special dvd, databases etc are complements.

halo had novels that dosent mean the games sucked that hard the novels had to correct it

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Becuase the industry is now so dominated by casual gamers who believe they are actually "real" or "hardcore" gamers. These casual may play a lot of games, and stuck around for a couple gens, but they still have the casual habbits that started them gaming in the fist place. basically, they only care about twitch gaming, the best graphics and lots of explosions/blood or violence. In short...they only care about FPS.

The idea that a game may have moments that don't assualt your eyeballs with fire and/or blood is seen as a waste of their time. They think that if they wanted story and character development, they would just read a book or something.

dkrustyklown

Nonsense. Video games have NEVER been about telling a story.

I play a game in order to, well, I dunno, PLAY A GAME!

If I want a story, then I'll read a book or watch a movie.

Video games are about twitch reflexes, hand-eye coordination, and problem-solving.

Sorry, but you are wrong. I never said videogames were ABOUT telling a story...but many games DO present a story for the gamer in order to better flesh out the world and experience. I also never said there was anything wrong with FPS or twitch games.

What I DID say is that casuals don't care games so much as they care about showing off. Therefore they are attracted ONLY to graphics, explosions, violence, etc.Since you can't "show off" story or character development, etc, they hate those things. That is their right, but as a result, I think I have a right say casuals aren't real gamers. Because it would seem to me, if you WERE a real gamer, you would judge a game based on its own merit and not purely on how much you think it makes you feel cooler or manly when you show it off.

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Becuase the industry is now so dominated by casual gamers who believe they are actually "real" or "hardcore" gamers. These casual may play a lot of games, and stuck around for a couple gens, but they still have the casual habbits that started them gaming in the fist place. basically, they only care about twitch gaming, the best graphics and lots of explosions/blood or violence. In short...they only care about FPS.

The idea that a game may have moments that don't assualt your eyeballs with fire and/or blood is seen as a waste of their time. They think that if they wanted story and character development, they would just read a book or something.

ZIMdoom

Nonsense. Video games have NEVER been about telling a story.

I play a game in order to, well, I dunno, PLAY A GAME!

If I want a story, then I'll read a book or watch a movie.

Video games are about twitch reflexes, hand-eye coordination, and problem-solving.

Sorry, but you are wrong. I never said videogames were ABOUT telling a story...but many games DO present a story for the gamer in order to better flesh out the world and experience. I also never said there was anything wrong with FPS or twitch games.

What I DID say is that casuals don't care games so much as they care about showing off. Therefore they are attracted ONLY to graphics, explosions, violence, etc.Since you can't "show off" story or character development, etc, they hate those things. That is their right, but as a result, I think I have a right say casuals aren't real gamers. Because it would seem to me, if you WERE a real gamer, you would judge a game based on its own merit and not purely on how much you think it makes you feel cooler or manly when you show it off.

So I'm not a gamer, huh? Even though I've been playing games since the Atari 2600 days, huh? I guess in your view, none of the games for the Atari 2600 or the NES for that matter were "real" games, huh?

The idea that games without stories aren't real "games" and the people that play them aren't real "gamers" is absolute nonsense. You have a right to say anything you want, but that doesn't change the fact that what you say is unequivocally wrong.

Pong, Frogger, Pac-Man, Combat, Mario Bros, Donkey Kong, etc are where gaming began. The rules never changed just because some developers started trying to turn their games into narratives. A game need not have a developed "story" to be a game, and a person need not play story-driven games to be a "gamer".

The story is a good, but very convoluted.

I actually bothered to go on Wikipedia once and read the plot for the MGS series...

I can't say that I agree with your statement, OP

I don't like MGS's story. But hey, that's my opinion.

Gears of War, now that has an A+ story. :P

I dont know, maybe its the way its told. In my case, the story is fine, but its the game that lets the MGS series down for me. Its just not my kind of game and I dont get why people like it. Most of of its fanscry when you inform them you just dont enjoy MGS. When people try to force you to like something you just know is not your type of thing, it makes liking it even MORE difficult.

its called an 'opinion'.... and everybody has a different one

even Hideo said that he got lost in the storyline for MGS

its called an 'opinion'.... and everybody has a different one

even Hideo said that he got lost in the storyline for MGS

ogvampire

Cuz to most people playing games = making vent holes in people> story

When I saw the guy crapping his pants in a barrel, the first thing I thought was "Wow, this is a deep and mature story".MacaroniMoses

That character is supposed to be somewhat of a comic relief. :P

its called an 'opinion'.... and everybody has a different one

even Hideo said that he got lost in the storyline for MGS

ogvampire

But that word doesint exist in SW. Everything is fact and you cant fight it:P. I personally love the MGS stories,but thats my opinoin just like how others hate it and thats thier opinion.

Well there will never be a game in the world that pleases everyone..

just liked to see more take an more deep aproach to storys in games, meybe there would be more Deux-ex and Grim fandango's out there

So I'm not a gamer, huh? Even though I've been playing games since the Atari 2600 days, huh? I guess in your view, none of the games for the Atari 2600 or the NES for that matter were "real" games, huh?

The idea that games without stories aren't real "games" and the people that play them aren't real "gamers" is absolute nonsense. You have a right to say anything you want, but that doesn't change the fact that what you say is unequivocally wrong.

Pong, Frogger, Pac-Man, Combat, Mario Bros, Donkey Kong, etc are where gaming began. The rules never changed just because some developers started trying to turn their games into narratives. A game need not have a developed "story" to be a game, and a person need not play story-driven games to be a "gamer".

dkrustyklown

First off, I never said you WEREN'T a real gamer. UNless of course you fit my definition as someone who hates anything that they can't show off. I don't think anyone is going around showing off frogger or pacman.

Second, and this is now the second time I've had to explain this to you, I never said that only games with stories were real games. I never made any claims or judgements toward what was or wasn't real or legitimate games. I was speaking solely on people who claim to be gamers and yet hate whole genres of gaming because they don't can't follow a story.

So I stand by what I've said and would suggest you go back and reread it.

I don't hate it there's just more story/dialogue/cutscenes than gameplay

Thats right, Metal geat solid had one of the great stories, but MGS2 was totally stupid it was saying the exact same things but with added otacon step mom, step sister love triangle general hospital killed my dad, and raiden doesn't exist made it inane.

Mgs3? the same way it got stuck so far up its ass in story that kojima didn't know what he was trying to say, Mgs4? the same thing but now with more MOVIE!.

all the deep deep feely feely stories that MGS told, are being retold again and again in each successive game but with more hyperbole and useless information to fill an IRS manual.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Because it's not a good story?metalgear-solid

In all seriousness, MGS has one of the best storylines in video gaming through history.

I was speaking solely on people who claim to be gamers and yet hate whole genres of gaming because they don't can't follow a story.

ZIMdoom

Well, I hate the entire RPG genre because it's absolutely boring. I also hate cutscenes and spend their entire duration looking up at the cieling smashing the A button in the hope that the game will allow me to skip them. So, yes, I fit that definition that you choose. THAT is why your definition is incorrect. I've been playing games for a very long time, and I'm quite sure that makes me a gamer.

the mgs story isn't confusing, it's just contrived.

contrived garbage.

[QUOTE="metalgear-solid"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Because it's not a good story?AAllxxjjnn

In all seriousness, MGS has one of the best storylines in video gaming through history.

Didn't you know? The only people who hate MGS's story are twelve year olds who think tea-bagging in Halo is the greatest thing in gaming history. :roll:

Seriously though, MGS has a terrible story. Sure there are some interesting elements at its core, but Kojima's style is simply too heavy-handed and melodramatic, the plot is too clown**** insane to take the serious moments, err... seriously, and he desperately needs an editor (or twelve).

Furthermore, there never has been, nor will there ever be a decent movie based on a video game.

The problem is that the MGS series has terrible writing.

In fact, thats true for almost every video game.

Well there will never be a game in the world that pleases everyone..

just liked to see more take an more deep aproach to storys in games, meybe there would be more Deux-ex and Grim fandango's out there

SionPT

Furthermore, there never has been, nor will there ever be a decent movie based on a video game.

dkrustyklown

I enjoyed Mortal Kombat, Pokémon: The First Movie, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, Dōbutsu no Mori, and Resident Evil: Degeneration.

Furthermore, i can not wait for Professor Layton and the Eternal Diva, Clock Tower,Resident Evil: Afterlife, and Dead Space.

personally, MGS has one of the best stories ever in in vidoegames, I said one of! I did not say the absulote all time best so please no trolling.

I think people hate stories is because people are just to lazy to pay any attintion to good stories anymore. Hell I have ADD and pay attintion to good stories better then 90% of gamers anymore! it seems as better stories come out, the more trolls come and say, "Storey two confuziling! horribllely storiy! TROLL TROLL, Let'z Mak it'z sem baad to Eveeryon soo Noes oone WiLl likie StoRIE's any'smore's!"



honestly, why do people hate good storylines anymore?

Kojima_Hideo

I Love good storylines. Which is why the MGS series is one of may favourite ever.

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

Furthermore, there never has been, nor will there ever be a decent movie based on a video game.

tagyhag

I enjoyed Mortal Kombat, Pokémon: The First Movie, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, Dōbutsu no Mori, and Resident Evil: Degeneration.

Furthermore, i can not wait for Professor Layton and the Eternal Diva, Clock Tower,Resident Evil: Afterlife, and Dead Space.

Post again when one of those wins and oscar for best picture.

Seriously though, MGS has a terrible story. Sure there are some interesting elements at its core, but Kojima's style is simply too heavy-handed and melodramatic, the plot is too clown**** insane to take the serious moments, err... seriously, and he desperately needs an editor (or twelve).

PBSnipes

This is the biggest problem I had with MGS2 (biggest,but not the only one).The crazy elements wouldn't have been as bad if the game didn't take them so seriously.Spoiler alert below,I suppose,even though it should be semi-common knowledge.

[spoiler] When a friend told me about how Liquid Snake survived by having his arm attached to Ocelot and how it tried to control the host body,I couldn't stop laughing at how absurd it was.When I finally played MGS1 and started MGS2,and saw that element in the game (after getting a feel for the atmosphere and context of the series),I couldn't believe that something like that was taken so seriously. [/spoiler]

MGS3 is sitting on a shelf in my room,waiting to be played,but I've heard the story is generally improved,and I'll get to it eventually.Don't own a PS3,so I probably won't play MGS4 for a while.

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