Why do people hate good stories like Metal Gear Solid? Can someone tell me why?

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*Oh, Snake ...* *Myrel.* *Snake.* *Meryl.* *BROTHA!* *Liquid!* *If you're not a prisoner to fate ...fullfill your destiny* (defenition fate;destiny)

Yes, this is a snippet of endless melodramic, cliche, garbage dia(mono)logues you get stuffed with. People blame Halo for having a mediocre story but atleast it makes sense. Why didn't the Master Chief suddenly start talking about this camp he had to go thro when he was young? Because it makes no sense, that's why. Why wouldhe suddenly bring that subject up in the mids of battle? Well the MGS series thinks overwise, EVERYONE tells you EVERYTHING about what happened in their live, what size their whienersnitzel is and why they can't cook an egg. Everything.

There are alot of games out there with a bad story but atleast it doesn't stand in your way. You're not CONSTANTLY interrupted by a codec call, you're not CONSTANTLY interrupted by a cutscene, you're not CONSTANTLY wondering where to go because you skipped the cutscene. What makes it all worse is how everyone seems to praise it.

Here's a message I'd like to cast to you: Even Micheal Mann can come up with a better script. Explosions > MGS.

PSdual_wielder

Get off the hate bandwagon please, you're just exaggerating the melodrama that people complain about...whenever anyone sees it in any story.

And for the last sentence...I think you're talking about Michael Bay, Michael Mann is the guy that makes boring action movies(yes, action movies that are BORING) and melodramas, the stuff you were bashing in your post.

Might have been too negative, I mean in order to hate it I must have played it, right? And I did. The gameplay is pretty good, can't deny that. I've played MGS & MGS2 recently and altho I might have missed the ''real'' experience I enjoyed the gameplay in MGS. MGS2 was fun too, on the tanker. Alot of it that came after it was really dissappointing. Now because of Raiden but because EVERYTHING had to be re-explained again and you basicly weren't playing really. The amount of codec calls and cutscenes was seriously ret^rded.

I have nothing against the MGS series gameplay wise, the're amazing. I haven't played too much of MGS4, but the parts I've played (mostly start of the game) were really awesome. Way ahead of its league.

Setting? Nanotechnology, economics, politics, military, bio-engineering, robotica, Cold War, nuclear deterance ... I mean this is some really good stuff. General Story? It's prettygood in rough lines. Soap/Drama/Presentation? ''Abomination'' describes it pretty well. It's like a B movie that takes itself serious. Kojima doesn't even need an editor, just someone with a triple digit IQ.

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[QUOTE="dantesergei"]North americans are known for their bad taste in stories that includes the stories of some games, halo is a good example. the only place that halo sells is in USA because they are the only ones that like the game, unlike MGS that their sales are split worldwide. What im trying to say is that they are the only ones that understands themselfs. Liquid_DC

this has GOT to be the worst piece of crap i have EVER read

do you have any clue what you are talking about?

It is a generalization, but it is basically true. Anyways I bet he just likes to hop in the "hate the gringos" bandwagon, but he confused SW with Off-Topic.

Lol i must be really smart, my first game was MGS2 and by MGS3 i got pretty mutch the whole idea figured out

people just love to bash what they cant undersantd MGS is one of the best, and people get blind they let bad aspects get in the way of the game as whole, kojima's games dont excel only by story, the music is amazing really, the graphics always good, the voice acting one of the best, the originality fan service, and badass bosses, nostalgia factor, everything is in there

people hate great cinematic experiences, yet they love inconditionaly super generic shooters

SionPT

:lol: lol

On topic... Metal Gear Solid is stupid, its characters are ridiculous and convoluted.... and their names...??? BIG BOSS?!?!? REALLY!?

:lol: lol

On topic... Metal Gear Solid is stupid, its characters are ridiculous and convoluted.... and their names...??? BIG BOSS?!?!? REALLY!?

whatisazerg

I actually like the names. Well, some of them.

Oh, Kojima, you.

But really, all I had understood is that it involves robots and clones.

Lol i must be really smart, my first game was MGS2 and by MGS3 i got pretty mutch the whole idea figured out

people just love to bash what they cant undersantd MGS is one of the best, and people get blind they let bad aspects get in the way of the game as whole, kojima's games dont excel only by story, the music is amazing really, the graphics always good, the voice acting one of the best, the originality fan service, and badass bosses, nostalgia factor, everything is in there

people hate great cinematic experiences, yet they love inconditionaly super generic shooters

:lol: lol

On topic... Metal Gear Solid is stupid, its characters are ridiculous and convoluted.... and their names...??? BIG BOSS?!?!? REALLY!?

whatisazerg

im not english/american, dont bully me lol

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Oh, Kojima, you.

But really, all I had understood is that it involves robots and clones.

luisen123

about the link -> that why he should get credit xD, he actually dared to invent a story using real life events an time line, and event made spin-off and background storys (take a look at the wiki's timeline lol)

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Lol i must be really smart, my first game was MGS2 and by MGS3 i got pretty mutch the whole idea figured out

people just love to bash what they cant undersantd MGS is one of the best, and people get blind they let bad aspects get in the way of the game as whole, kojima's games dont excel only by story, the music is amazing really, the graphics always good, the voice acting one of the best, the originality fan service, and badass bosses, nostalgia factor, everything is in there

people hate great cinematic experiences, yet they love inconditionaly super generic shooters

:lol: lol

On topic... Metal Gear Solid is stupid, its characters are ridiculous and convoluted.... and their names...??? BIG BOSS?!?!? REALLY!?

SionPT

im not english/american, dont bully me lol

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Oh, Kojima, you.

But really, all I had understood is that it involves robots and clones.

luisen123

about the link -> that why he should get credit xD, he actually dared to invent a story using real life events an time line, and event made spin-off and background storys (take a look at the wiki's timeline lol)

Well don't be so arrogant..... why can't you people just accept that people don't like Kojima and/or MGS? What is this need to have everyone agree with you? Are you all that insecure? Guess what, I really like Halo... I love the story, most of the characters and the gameplay.... but I don't expect everyone to feel the same way about it that I do.... Some people love olives, some people hate them.... Quick someone make a thread about it!

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[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

im not english/american, dont bully me lol

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[QUOTE="luisen123"]

Oh, Kojima, you.

But really, all I had understood is that it involves robots and clones.

whatisazerg

about the link -> that why he should get credit xD, he actually dared to invent a story using real life events an time line, and event made spin-off and background storys (take a look at the wiki's timeline lol)

Well don't be so arrogant..... why can't you people just accept that people don't like Kojima and/or MGS? What is this need to have everyone agree with you? Are you all that insecure? Guess what, I really like Halo... I love the story, most of the characters and the gameplay.... but I don't expect everyone to feel the same way about it that I do.... Some people love olives, some people hate them.... Quick someone make a thread about it!

are you quoting the right guy? o0

since when did i did such thing? have you even read the previous posts? i said my self theres a lot a reason why you may dont like MGS at all(even if just by the war theme). dont care if you dont like, its just not nice to see people call something garbage because he/she dosent like.

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about the link -> that why he should get credit xD, he actually dared to invent a story using real life events an time line, and event made spin-off and background storys (take a look at the wiki's timeline lol)

SionPT

Well don't be so arrogant..... why can't you people just accept that people don't like Kojima and/or MGS? What is this need to have everyone agree with you? Are you all that insecure? Guess what, I really like Halo... I love the story, most of the characters and the gameplay.... but I don't expect everyone to feel the same way about it that I do.... Some people love olives, some people hate them.... Quick someone make a thread about it!

are you quoting the right guy? o0

since when did i did such thing? have you even read the previous posts? i said my self theres a lot a reason why you may dont like MGS at all(even if just by the war theme). dont care if you dont like, its just not nice to see people call something garbage because it dosent like.

Because the story is told really badly.

JangoWuzHere

Well, if you judge it by the commonly held standards of quality, it is garbage. Pure, unadulterated garbage.pyromaniac223

and what is that commonly held standards ? -.- a 10/10 score?

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Because the story is told really badly.

surrealnumber5

vice versa

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Well, if you judge it by the commonly held standards of quality, it is garbage. Pure, unadulterated garbage.SionPT

and what is that commonly held standards ? -.- a 10/10 score?

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Well, if you judge it by the commonly held standards of quality, it is garbage. Pure, unadulterated garbage.pyromaniac223

and what is that commonly held standards ? -.- a 10/10 score?

the opinion factor.

never called it art, you dont like it, i loved it. regardless called the game garbadge cause you dont simple like even tough got 10/10 wich is perfect and even claiming to be "commonly held standards" is BS.

I dont think they are bad, but geez I dont think i've ever been closer to suicide than i was with that 20 minute otacon crying scene in number 2

Because it's really not that great of a story.

If it were a movie, it would be a B action flick that would go straight to rental.

That's why.

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Because the story is told really badly.

CDUB316

vice versa

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[QUOTE="SionPT"]

about the link -> that why he should get credit xD, he actually dared to invent a story using real life events an time line, and event made spin-off and background storys (take a look at the wiki's timeline lol)

SionPT

Well don't be so arrogant..... why can't you people just accept that people don't like Kojima and/or MGS? What is this need to have everyone agree with you? Are you all that insecure? Guess what, I really like Halo... I love the story, most of the characters and the gameplay.... but I don't expect everyone to feel the same way about it that I do.... Some people love olives, some people hate them.... Quick someone make a thread about it!

are you quoting the right guy? o0

since when did i did such thing? have you even read the previous posts? i said my self theres a lot a reason why you may dont like MGS at all(even if just by the war theme). dont care if you dont like, its just not nice to see people call something garbage because he/she dosent like.

yesi was quoting the right person..... and what should people say if they don't like the game??? Why can't they call it garbage, if thats what it is to them?

Everyone in the world does this, about everything.... I don't like Ford Cars/Trucks... "oh they're garbage", don't like McDonalds "their food is garbage" (well actually their food is garbage on a nutritional level, at least).... but you get my point.

I'm 100% sure at some point everyone here, including you have uttered the words "Blankety Blank is garbage" even though its just because you, yourself didn't like it.

ie: Transformers2 is GARBAGE! Sure lots of people loved it.... but many peopleKNOW it was garbage. Heck it made Transformers 1 look like SHakespeare by comparison.

Its because people don't usually care for a story in a video game. As in MGS is case it could because it is often convoluted and Kojima, Murata need to work with more editors.

Why do people think Metal Gear Solid has a good story? Can someone tell me why?

mijkil

It seems a lot of lemmings bash metal gear solid series about the story and the custscenes. Yet when a game gets announced on their system it's like they never said any of that. One Crowd.... Lemmings, like simple cheap non story games like halo and cod with just fps fights and explosions, the other side likes mature titles that tell a compelling story and have good game play. To me if a game dosn't have a long deep good story like MGS, then I rarely beat the games. The story makes me want to continue. It's the same way with FIanl Fantasy and other rpgs....hence why these series need to stay far away from the xbox before the creators listen ot these xbox guys and make a genric action game ..... oh yeah thats already happening metal gear rising , i forgot.

It seems a lot of lemmings bash metal gear solid series about the story and the custscenes. Yet when a game gets announced on their system it's like they never said any of that. One Crowd.... Lemmings, like simple cheap non story games like halo and cod with just fps fights and explosions, the other side likes mature titles that tell a compelling story and have good game play. To me if a game dosn't have a long deep good story like MGS, then I rarely beat the games. The story makes me want to continue. It's the same way with FIanl Fantasy and other rpgs....hence why these series need to stay far away from the xbox before the creators listen ot these xbox guys and make a genric action game ..... oh yeah thats already happening metal gear rising , i forgot.

Midnightshade29

I swear during the E3 MS conference when the guy asked "whats the one game all 360 owners have been yearning for?" everyone present were yelling metal gear.

It's a shame that the younger generation would rather play a multiplayer game and just run around in circles shooting each other over and over agian instead of injoying an epic interactive story with characters that mean something, make you think, and evoke an emotional response. You don't care about halo or cod characters... you simply don't.... mgs series is epic in every sense of the word... If you can't get it than you have a very short attention span. Midnightshade29

mgs has the best story, and is best series in gaming ever. nuff said /THREAD

bokiloki

MGS3 is the only MGS game I have played, so I can't judge the stories of the other games. But MGS3 has some of the most pathetic and laughably bad story, characters, dialogue and voice acting I have ever encountered in video games. It effectively killed any desire I had to check out the MGS series further.

Because they are noobs who don't understand simple stories.

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j/k :P

Because they are noobs who don't understand simple stories.

abuabed

Agreed!

MGSis the best franchise ever created with the greatest history of all time, enough said!

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Because they are noobs who don't understand simple stories.

VerdantForce

Agreed!

MGSis the best franchise ever created with the greatest history of all time, enough said!

Short attention spans coupled with a general lack of maturity can make MGS story lines seem tedious...67gt500

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Because they are noobs who don't understand simple stories.

Deus__EX

Agreed!

MGSis the best franchise ever created with the greatest history of all time, enough said!

The story is told poorly and it's really not that good a story to begin with. It's throws a ton of stuff at you in order to make you believe it's saying something really deep, but it's really just bad storytelling.

Becuase the industry is now so dominated by casual gamers who believe they are actually "real" or "hardcore" gamers. These casual may play a lot of games, and stuck around for a couple gens, but they still have the casual habbits that started them gaming in the fist place. basically, they only care about twitch gaming, the best graphics and lots of explosions/blood or violence. In short...they only care about FPS.

The idea that a game may have moments that don't assualt your eyeballs with fire and/or blood is seen as a waste of their time. They think that if they wanted story and character development, they would just read a book or something.

can we getg this topic to 500 messages at least?

eh idk...MGS 1 is one of those stories that a heartless guy comes and goes to do a mission and find out deeper intel. Then other MGS's just continued the fight between snake and liquid thing with other bosses included. Well I'd say we have a good movie if it was a movie. But all people care about now is the looks of guns and graphics. It's like meeting a girl and only staring at their breast until you get it done. thats people who gets absorbed to Technology for ya ;)

Becuase the industry is now so dominated by casual gamers who believe they are actually "real" or "hardcore" gamers. These casual may play a lot of games, and stuck around for a couple gens, but they still have the casual habbits that started them gaming in the fist place. basically, they only care about twitch gaming, the best graphics and lots of explosions/blood or violence. In short...they only care about FPS.

The idea that a game may have moments that don't assualt your eyeballs with fire and/or blood is seen as a waste of their time. They think that if they wanted story and character development, they would just read a book or something.

ZIMdoom

That why the industry best selling games /most played games are generic shooter, that came out every year almost

id live to see a time where videogaming is taken to the next level of digital/cinemtatic entertainment(*dreams*) :)

Becuase the industry is now so dominated by casual gamers who believe they are actually "real" or "hardcore" gamers. These casual may play a lot of games, and stuck around for a couple gens, but they still have the casual habbits that started them gaming in the fist place. basically, they only care about twitch gaming, the best graphics and lots of explosions/blood or violence. In short...they only care about FPS.

The idea that a game may have moments that don't assualt your eyeballs with fire and/or blood is seen as a waste of their time. They think that if they wanted story and character development, they would just read a book or something.

ZIMdoom

Meh thats so true. nowadays stories are just OMG WAR!! This character dies and then next 3 missions this guy dies and the last mission the guy survive. i think Dev are just wanting to make good looking games and dont pay attention to stories at all.

Becuase the industry is now so dominated by casual gamers who believe they are actually "real" or "hardcore" gamers. These casual may play a lot of games, and stuck around for a couple gens, but they still have the casual habbits that started them gaming in the fist place. basically, they only care about twitch gaming, the best graphics and lots of explosions/blood or violence. In short...they only care about FPS.

The idea that a game may have moments that don't assualt your eyeballs with fire and/or blood is seen as a waste of their time. They think that if they wanted story and character development, they would just read a book or something.

ZIMdoom

Nonsense. Video games have NEVER been about telling a story.

I play a game in order to, well, I dunno, PLAY A GAME!

If I want a story, then I'll read a book or watch a movie.

Video games are about twitch reflexes, hand-eye coordination, and problem-solving.

Because it's not a good story?AAllxxjjnn

In all seriousness, MGS has one of the best storylines in video gaming through history.

What makes a good story is subjective, thats why.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Because it's not a good story?metalgear-solid

In all seriousness, MGS has one of the best storylines in video gaming through history.

Those games also don't have hours & hours of cutscenes, either. Sure, those FPS don't have good stories, but the important detail is that they don't PRETEND to like MGS.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Because it's not a good story?metalgear-solid

In all seriousness, MGS has one of the best storylines in video gaming through history.

Because people have the right to their opinions... they don't need to like what you like for the reasons you like just because you want them to.