Why do people hate good stories like Metal Gear Solid? Can someone tell me why?

yes i do know lost has a very convoluted story. its the reason i like it. and prolly a VERY GOOD reason why i think metal gear has a good story also. just b/c you dont like convoluted stories , doesnt mean its a bad story.. [QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="ultraking"]

metal gear's story is great. let the haters hate

ultraking

Listen people, convoluted stories aren't good storys, they are just stories told badly. They can still be enjoyable as Lost and the MGS series show, but in the hands of better storytellers they would be less confusing.

LOL. then i guess it pretty mutch resumes to people who like and dislike convulted storys.

cause if the LOST youre talking is the tv show, its my favorite one(and i see a lot of them), i dont see it as convulted(even tough its definitly confusing) i see it as very very "in-dept" it a lot of twist and twists, its a story, an invention.

the thing i dont like with the one you say its not convulted, its because writtes dont even try to dive in to it, even if they mess up, they are just blank, good but not deep, and dont last. (i like stuff that lets me think and rethink)

personally, MGS has one of the best stories ever in in vidoegames, I said one of! I did not say the absulote all time best so please no trolling.

I think people hate stories is because people are just to lazy to pay any attintion to good stories anymore. Hell I have ADD and pay attintion to good stories better then 90% of gamers anymore! it seems as better stories come out, the more trolls come and say, "Storey two confuziling! horribllely storiy! TROLL TROLL, Let'z Mak it'z sem baad to Eveeryon soo Noes oone WiLl likie StoRIE's any'smore's!"



honestly, why do people hate good storylines anymore?

Kojima_Hideo

Because it's not a good story. It's just not.pyromaniac223

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Because it's not a good story. It's just not.subrosian

Well,I guess its a taste thing. I'm not really going to get into an argument of the writing of a series I'm not interested in. I wonder though, why is it that MGS MUST have a good story or you have poor taste?

I don't know, but MGS sounds really good. Any game that can seamlessly blend CGI storytelling worthy of a blockbuster motion picture (not the crappy kind like Transformers, I mean stuff like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars), as well as excellent gameplay can't be bad. I certainly don't hate on it, and I look forward to playing MGS4 when I pick up a PS3.enterawesome

yes i do know lost has a very convoluted story. its the reason i like it. and prolly a VERY GOOD reason why i think metal gear has a good story also. just b/c you dont like convoluted stories , doesnt mean its a bad story..

ultraking

Convoluted stories are usually that way because they aren't editied all that well. That doesn't mean the content is bad, it just means there is more of it than it has to be.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]I don't know, but MGS sounds really good. Any game that can seamlessly blend CGI storytelling worthy of a blockbuster motion picture (not the crappy kind like Transformers, I mean stuff like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars), as well as excellent gameplay can't be bad. I certainly don't hate on it, and I look forward to playing MGS4 when I pick up a PS3.67gt500

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]I don't know, but MGS sounds really good. Any game that can seamlessly blend CGI storytelling worthy of a blockbuster motion picture (not the crappy kind like Transformers, I mean stuff like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars), as well as excellent gameplay can't be bad. I certainly don't hate on it, and I look forward to playing MGS4 when I pick up a PS3.tagyhag

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="67gt500"] MGS4 is one certainly of the best reasons to own a PS3...mitu123

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Because it's not a good story. It's just not.subrosian

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]I don't know, but MGS sounds really good. Any game that can seamlessly blend CGI storytelling worthy of a blockbuster motion picture (not the crappy kind like Transformers, I mean stuff like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars), as well as excellent gameplay can't be bad. I certainly don't hate on it, and I look forward to playing MGS4 when I pick up a PS3.tagyhag

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="tagyhag"] Agreed, even if you haven't played the last games.heretrix

I've become pretty tired of the storyline now that I played MGS4. The huge amount of retcons and authentic "complxity-for-the-sake-of-complexity" really kept the beginning and middle parts of the story from being satisfying. I didn't imagine a year ago that I might not be excited for a canon MGS title, but here I am right now, asking myself whether or not Peace Walker's story is worth it.

Before 4 however, it was good. It did pretty well on delivering it's story with the meme-gene-scene themes and offering something different when many games just didn't care about filling in the holes of basic cause and effect.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="67gt500"] MGS4 is one certainly of the best reasons to own a PS3...mitu123

From a MSG fan:

MGS1 story is really great, and that's not debatable, its chesse but in a good way, action hero movie very much, full of epic moments everywhere

MGS2 story is bloody awfull, its really a mess, bland characters, poor dialogue, horrible pacing; and i can go on like forever

MGS3 story is the best of the series IMO, its has all the good aspects of 1 but amplified; interesting characters, passable dialogue, good twist, EPICness, good pacing and the 007esque its really well delivered, its more cheese thought.

MGS4 story suffers from the mess that MGS2 started, and in the end its pretty average, has good moments thougt, but not that well paced, random moments that feels ankward, and i don't like the feel of the characters, they don't act like they suppose to, i don't know, feels weird overall.

*Oh, Snake ...* *Myrel.* *Snake.* *Meryl.* *BROTHA!* *Liquid!* *If you're not a prisoner to fate ...fullfill your destiny* (defenition fate;destiny)

Yes, this is a snippet of endless melodramic, cliche, garbage dia(mono)logues you get stuffed with. People blame Halo for having a mediocre story but atleast it makes sense. Why didn't the Master Chief suddenly start talking about this camp he had to go thro when he was young? Because it makes no sense, that's why. Why wouldhe suddenly bring that subject up in the mids of battle? Well the MGS series thinks overwise, EVERYONE tells you EVERYTHING about what happened in their live, what size their whienersnitzel is and why they can't cook an egg. Everything.

There are alot of games out there with a bad story but atleast it doesn't stand in your way. You're not CONSTANTLY interrupted by a codec call, you're not CONSTANTLY interrupted by a cutscene, you're not CONSTANTLY wondering where to go because you skipped the cutscene. What makes it all worse is how everyone seems to praise it.

Here's a message I'd like to cast to you: Even Micheal Mann can come up with a better script. Explosions > MGS.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="tagyhag"] Agreed, even if you haven't played the last games.tagyhag

Also guys, I told him to do that last week and he hasn't responded, hope he does.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Well, for the gameplay, yeah, my friend got a PS3 Slim along with MGS4 and didn't understand the story because he hasn't played the 1st 3 MGS games, I can show you a link to the forum if you want me to.mitu123

Also guys, I told him to do that last week and he hasn't responded, hope he does.

Likea Porsche Carrera GT, covered in crap.

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]I don't know, but MGS sounds really good. Any game that can seamlessly blend CGI storytelling worthy of a blockbuster motion picture (not the crappy kind like Transformers, I mean stuff like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars), as well as excellent gameplay can't be bad. I certainly don't hate on it, and I look forward to playing MGS4 when I pick up a PS3.tagyhag

If anything MGS has a really cheesy story that makes no sence but it makes it seem good because of the awesome production values in the game:).

*Oh, Snake ...* *Myrel.* *Snake.* *Meryl.* *BROTHA!* *Liquid!* *If you're not a prisoner to fate ...fullfill your destiny* (defenition fate;destiny)

Yes, this is a snippet of endless melodramic, cliche, garbage dia(mono)logues you get stuffed with. People blame Halo for having a mediocre story but atleast it makes sense. Why didn't the Master Chief suddenly start talking about this camp he had to go thro when he was young? Because it makes no sense, that's why. Why wouldhe suddenly bring that subject up in the mids of battle? Well the MGS series thinks overwise, EVERYONE tells you EVERYTHING about what happened in their live, what size their whienersnitzel is and why they can't cook an egg. Everything.

There are alot of games out there with a bad story but atleast it doesn't stand in your way. You're not CONSTANTLY interrupted by a codec call, you're not CONSTANTLY interrupted by a cutscene, you're not CONSTANTLY wondering where to go because you skipped the cutscene. What makes it all worse is how everyone seems to praise it.

Here's a message I'd like to cast to you: Even Micheal Mann can come up with a better script. Explosions > MGS.

CAPSROGUE

Get off the hate bandwagon please, you're just exaggerating the melodrama that people complain about...whenever anyone sees it in any story.

And for the last sentence...I think you're talking about Michael Bay, Michael Mann is the guy that makes boring action movies(yes, action movies that are BORING) and melodramas, the stuff you were bashing in your post.

maybe because some people have opinions?

If anything MGS has a really cheesy story that makes no sence but it makes it seem good because of the awesome production values in the game:).

JangoWuzHere

Basically this. From one perspective the story is complex with mature themes. From other it has some cheesy, cliche, nonsensical situations and twists here and there, make it convoluted and totally contrast with the first perspective.

But because the game isn't your typical Action Adventure (it mixes the typical elements with some stealth sub-genre segments, and is strong in storytelling as typical Adventure games), it makes an enjoyable, almost unique experience.

Because they don't love it as much as you, oh Kojima fan.siLVURcross

What? Kojima fan? you mean he is not the real Hideo, :cry:

Anyway, i really enjoy every single story in MGS, and also the entire plot, but there are some really cheesy moments that sometimes just doesn't fit, besides some forced twist are not really good, still is a great story with some really memorable moments, to bad some people don't like it, but you can't please everyone.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

If anything MGS has a really cheesy story that makes no sence but it makes it seem good because of the awesome production values in the game:).

glez13

Basically this. From one perspective the story is complex with mature themes. From other it has some cheesy, cliche, nonsensical situations and twists here and there, make it convoluted and totally contrast with the first perspective.

But because the game isn't your typical Action Adventure (it mixes the typical elements with some stealth sub-genre segments, and is strong in storytelling as typical Adventure games), it makes an enjoyable, almost unique experience.

MGS has a **** story.

you simply calling garbage to what you dont like.

if only more dev tried to experiment as deep with story(without sacrificing gameplay) as kojima did im sure there would be out there a epic tale for every ear.. xD

but no.. every year just plain blind shooters, cliche rpg, and very good hits(but too short)

if we had more storys and less blind generic shooting, meybe games would raise bar in entertainment or.. art :o

Because the story is told really badly.

JangoWuzHere

this

sorry...i LOVE MGS games to death and the stories are so freakin amazing...but the way they are told, it's just horrible and hard to understand

a first time player is just like...WTF (at least i was) but after a few playthroughs it got through to me

people don't hate the story...it's just hard for some to understand

sorry...i LOVE MGS games to death and the stories are so freakin amazing...but the way they are told, it's just horrible and hard to understand

a first time player is just like...WTF (at least i was) but after a few playthroughs it got through to me

people don't hate the story...it's just hard for some to understand

the guy above

if you like, try get a hand of that DVD special 20th aniversary, its like a commentary about MGS story in chapters, really well narrated.(i really loved it)

[QUOTE="the guy above"]

sorry...i LOVE MGS games to death and the stories are so freakin amazing...but the way they are told, it's just horrible and hard to understand

a first time player is just like...WTF (at least i was) but after a few playthroughs it got through to me

people don't hate the story...it's just hard for some to understand

SionPT

if you like, try get a hand of that DVD special 20th aniversary, its like a commentary about MGS story in chapters, really well narrated.(i really loved it)

well i understand now after playing through each game like 3 times....but i'd still be interested

where do i find one?

SionPT

you simply calling garbage to what you dont like.

if only more dev tried to experiment as deep with story(without sacrificing gameplay) as kojima did im sure there would be out there a epic tale for every ear.. xD

but no.. every year just plain blind shooters, cliche rpg, and very good hits(but too short)

if we had more storys and less blind generic shooting, meybe games would raise bar in entertainment or.. art :o

North americans are known for their bad taste in stories that includes the stories of some games, halo is a good example. the only place that halo sells is in USA because they are the only ones that like the game, unlike MGS that their sales are split worldwide. What im trying to say is that they are the only ones that understands themselfs. dantesergei

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

If anything MGS has a really cheesy story that makes no sence but it makes it seem good because of the awesome production values in the game:).

glez13

Basically this. From one perspective the story is complex with mature themes. From other it has some cheesy, cliche, nonsensical situations and twists here and there, make it convoluted and totally contrast with the first perspective.

But because the game isn't your typical Action Adventure (it mixes the typical elements with some stealth sub-genre segments, and is strong in storytelling as typical Adventure games), it makes an enjoyable, almost unique experience.

North americans are known for their bad taste in stories that includes the stories of some games, halo is a good example. the only place that halo sells is in USA because they are the only ones that like the game, unlike MGS that their sales are split worldwide. What im trying to say is that they are the only ones that understands themselfs. dantesergei

this has GOT to be the worst piece of crap i have EVER read

do you have any clue what you are talking about?

I agree its the best video game story EVER! no game story comes close

oh and ps.

people hate it because its a 10/10

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]North americans are known for their bad taste in stories that includes the stories of some games, halo is a good example. the only place that halo sells is in USA because they are the only ones that like the game, unlike MGS that their sales are split worldwide. What im trying to say is that they are the only ones that understands themselfs. CDUB316

this has GOT to be the worst piece of crap i have EVER read

do you have any clue what you are talking about?

well i understand now after playing through each game like 3 times....but i'd still be interested

where do i find one?

CDUB316

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yOZXr6GevA

i think its this(best i could find xD, im pretty sure theres better quality out there), i saw quite ago, but like you said if your really a fan i think youll enjoy

i think this was released pre-MGS4, it even includes kojima interview how series was born