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[QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"]Why would they buy another one? It gets replaced for free.Vexx88Only if it RROD Not if the disc drive stops working or it starts scratching disc or the AV and Component cable post stops working Does sony replace those things for free?? NO!! so why bother to mention it, DRE in the 360 and PS3 are about the same, and in all three consoles manuals, it says very clearly "do not move console while disc is spinning in tray" so who's fault is that??
I love how people who support the 360 in these threads are always like "just chill, you can get it fixed for free". Yes, you can, but you shouldn't have to. Why should you just accept that every couple of months you have to box up your 360 and ship it out for a week to get fixed? If M$ can't fix the problem then they had no business selling them in the first place.SlorgieNel
First off, the "every couple of months" line is a gross exaggeration. The vast majority of Xbox 360 owners are probably still on their first consoles.
Second, do you not remember the problems Sony has had each generation prior to this one? Does the DRE not ring a bell? How about the numerous issues that plagued the first Playstation? If anything, this is the only generation in which Sony can claim they got it right. Should Sony have not sold the PS1 and PS2 because of these problems? Hell, there are reports that the DRE affected PS2's until 2005, five years after the system hit the market. The way I see it, if the Xbox 360's problems are so bad that MS shouldn't have sold them, then we shouldn't have seen any PS2's sold either.
[QUOTE="SlorgieNel"]I love how people who support the 360 in these threads are always like "just chill, you can get it fixed for free". Yes, you can, but you shouldn't have to. Why should you just accept that every couple of months you have to box up your 360 and ship it out for a week to get fixed? If M$ can't fix the problem then they had no business selling them in the first place.The_Game21x
First off, the "every couple of months" line is a gross exaggeration. The vast majority of Xbox 360 owners are probably still on their first consoles.
Second, do you not remember the problems Sony has had each generation prior to this one? Does the DRE not ring a bell? How about the numerous issues that plagued the first Playstation? If anything, this is the only generation in which Sony can claim they got it right. Should Sony have not sold the PS1 and PS2 because of these problems? Hell, there are reports that the DRE affected PS2's until 2005, five years after the system hit the market. The way I see it, if the Xbox 360's problems are so bad that MS shouldn't have sold them, then we shouldn't have seen any PS2's sold either.
The PS2 DRE scenario has been brought up...six times in this thread, and there hasn't been a rebuttal posted to a single one. I think the silence speaks for itself.[QUOTE="ninjaxmas"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] I agree with you, we shouldnt HAVE to deal with it, it seems somewhat unfair sometimes. But consoles or anything else you buy is an investment, and with any investmen there are risks, This was one with really high risks, but people dont mind that risk because of the joy that it provides. I agree, it does suck, but the experience is well worth it. I would do the exact same IF my PS3 broke, i love the games so i would get it fixed for Uncharted and MGS4 alone. But to suggest that someone is wrong because they dont feel the way you feel, or do what you do, is kinda wrong dont you think?? Maybe YOU wouldnt do it, but if other people want to take that risk, who are you to critisize that??navyguy21because by supporting a company that pulls that garbage, the consumer is basically saying its ok. we as gamers should demand better... you mean YOU would demand better??? but you dont have to worry about it because you dont have one. Why are you so concerned about how other people should and should not feel??? does it hurt you that bad that a broken console is outselling the one you chose??uhhh well you COULD make stupid assumptions but i do have one. my gamertag is NinjaXams actually and i had around 15,000 gp. as for your comment about why i'm so concerned, the main reason i bought a ps3 was because i was on my 3rd 360 and decided enough was enough. i refuse to put anymore money into a console thats so unreliable. so yeah, just keep assuming everyone who bashes that pos doesn't have one. ignorance is bliss I suppose..
[QUOTE="Vexx88"][QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"]Why would they buy another one? It gets replaced for free.navyguy21Only if it RROD Not if the disc drive stops working or it starts scratching disc or the AV and Component cable post stops working Does sony replace those things for free?? NO!! so why bother to mention it, DRE in the 360 and PS3 are about the same, and in all three consoles manuals, it says very clearly "do not move console while disc is spinning in tray" so who's fault is that??Some people dont move it and the disc just stop reading guy :|
[QUOTE="SlorgieNel"]I love how people who support the 360 in these threads are always like "just chill, you can get it fixed for free". Yes, you can, but you shouldn't have to. Why should you just accept that every couple of months you have to box up your 360 and ship it out for a week to get fixed? If M$ can't fix the problem then they had no business selling them in the first place.The_Game21x
First off, the "every couple of months" line is a gross exaggeration. The vast majority of Xbox 360 owners are probably still on their first consoles.
Second, do you not remember the problems Sony has had each generation prior to this one? Does the DRE not ring a bell? How about the numerous issues that plagued the first Playstation? If anything, this is the only generation in which Sony can claim they got it right. Should Sony have not sold the PS1 and PS2 because of these problems? Hell, there are reports that the DRE affected PS2's until 2005, five years after the system hit the market. The way I see it, if the Xbox 360's problems are so bad that MS shouldn't have sold them, then we shouldn't have seen any PS2's sold either.
And the Sony Viao problems, and the recalled battery issues, and Sony DVD player issues, and the Sony Discman issues, its amazing how people supress those Sony problems lol, or how about prior to the PS3's release, the consoles kept overheating, or needed to be constantly reset at TGS and other gaming shows??http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4415
and where they kept denying it
http://www.actiontrip.com/link.phtml?http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159307.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6159307
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Vexx88"] Only if it RROD Not if the disc drive stops working or it starts scratching disc or the AV and Component cable post stops workingninjaxmasDoes sony replace those things for free?? NO!! so why bother to mention it, DRE in the 360 and PS3 are about the same, and in all three consoles manuals, it says very clearly "do not move console while disc is spinning in tray" so who's fault is that??listen kid, you don't have to move the console while its on to have your disk scratched. my copies of cod2 and 3 were both ruined by my first 360 that, at all times, sat on its bottom. i also have two friends that have had games crack on them as well. CRACK! obviously there are some major problems with the 360 beyond 3rod. but whatev, you just keep posting nonsense while living in your own lil world while the rest of us try and make sense out of why ppl still buy the piece of junk...Kid?? im 27 buddy lol, anyway i agree MS shouldve put bumbers in the thing, heck, even the Wii has them, but the assumption that im living in my own little world when i own all 3, and im simply responding to the TC's thread, shows your anger toward the 360, and its probably justified, it has been stated over and over in this thread that people still buy them because of the games, and that its cheap, yet you guys avoid responding to that, or avoid responding to people when they say they did the same thing last gen with the PS2. Now the PS2 problem might not have been a problem with you, but to those you had it, it might have been, so did you ever think that maybe those people dont mind?? maybe they dont care?? if they want to buy it, then let them, how is that hurting you?? Why waste your time with it??
[QUOTE="ninjaxmas"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] Does sony replace those things for free?? NO!! so why bother to mention it, DRE in the 360 and PS3 are about the same, and in all three consoles manuals, it says very clearly "do not move console while disc is spinning in tray" so who's fault is that??navyguy21listen kid, you don't have to move the console while its on to have your disk scratched. my copies of cod2 and 3 were both ruined by my first 360 that, at all times, sat on its bottom. i also have two friends that have had games crack on them as well. CRACK! obviously there are some major problems with the 360 beyond 3rod. but whatev, you just keep posting nonsense while living in your own lil world while the rest of us try and make sense out of why ppl still buy the piece of junk...Kid?? im 27 buddy lol, anyway i agree MS shouldve put bumbers in the thing, heck, even the Wii has them, but the assumption that im living in my own little world when i own all 3, and im simply responding to the TC's thread, shows your anger toward the 360, and its probably justified, it has been stated over and over in this thread that people still buy them because of the games, and that its cheap, yet you guys avoid responding to that, or avoid responding to people when they say they did the same thing last gen with the PS2. Now the PS2 problem might not have been a problem with you, but to those you had it, it might have been, so did you ever think that maybe those people dont mind?? maybe they dont care?? if they want to buy it, then let them, how is that hurting you?? Why waste your time with it??well there was zero excuse for the ps2s problems either. i can't defend dre. still, at least it was, most of the time anyway, an easy fix. i suppose you could fix a 3rod'd 360 but it would be a little more difficult for the average person. as for why i'm upset towards MS, i don't want this to become an ongoing problem in this industry. years from now i want to be able to go out, buy a nice new next gen system, and not have to worry about it breaking because of a defect. i don't want companies to think its ok to ship something thats broken outta the box because it'll sell anyway. given thats the nature of electronics i suppose, but from a personal standpoint, i've never really had something fail on me before. i've always taken great care of my stuff. so for me to be on my 3rd 360 is more than a little irritating. and having to move to another console just to have something thats reliable pisses me off.
Ah, a RROD thread. Releasing such a faulty console is pretty downright despicable, but that's Microsoft for you. But I still have another year on my warranty left, I'm not going to worry about it yet.Floppy_Jimagain, i'm not trying to start a fight here, because i think the RROD is unacceptable, but Sony did the same thing.
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ninjaxmas"]listen kid, you don't have to move the console while its on to have your disk scratched. my copies of cod2 and 3 were both ruined by my first 360 that, at all times, sat on its bottom. i also have two friends that have had games crack on them as well. CRACK! obviously there are some major problems with the 360 beyond 3rod. but whatev, you just keep posting nonsense while living in your own lil world while the rest of us try and make sense out of why ppl still buy the piece of junk...ninjaxmasKid?? im 27 buddy lol, anyway i agree MS shouldve put bumbers in the thing, heck, even the Wii has them, but the assumption that im living in my own little world when i own all 3, and im simply responding to the TC's thread, shows your anger toward the 360, and its probably justified, it has been stated over and over in this thread that people still buy them because of the games, and that its cheap, yet you guys avoid responding to that, or avoid responding to people when they say they did the same thing last gen with the PS2. Now the PS2 problem might not have been a problem with you, but to those you had it, it might have been, so did you ever think that maybe those people dont mind?? maybe they dont care?? if they want to buy it, then let them, how is that hurting you?? Why waste your time with it??well there was zero excuse for the ps2s problems either. i can't defend dre. still, at least it was, most of the time anyway, an easy fix. i suppose you could fix a 3rod'd 360 but it would be a little more difficult for the average person. as for why i'm upset towards MS, i don't want this to become an ongoing problem in this industry. years from now i want to be able to go out, buy a nice new next gen system, and not have to worry about it breaking because of a defect. i don't want companies to think its ok to ship something thats broken outta the box because it'll sell anyway. given thats the nature of electronics i suppose, but from a personal standpoint, i've never really had something fail on me before. i've always taken great care of my stuff. so for me to be on my 3rd 360 is more than a little irritating. and having to move to another console just to have something thats reliable pisses me off. do you know how much money RROD cost MS??? and im not just talkin about the warranty, im talkin lost console sales, and then thats feed into lost software sales, heck, they even lost YOUR money on software lol, i really dont think we have to worry about this becoming the norm lol. and how exactly was DRE an easy fix?? lol, most people (me included) just bought another one because we had so many games, and they were so cheap, and Sony didnt replace them for free. But that didnt stop you and I from buying a PS3 now did it?? Trust me, MS will test and test the new console, and Sony will become better at online. Thats the good thing about competition in gaming, it brings out the best in each competitor, just look at Madden when they no longer had to worry about NFL 2k lol
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Ah, a RROD thread. Releasing such a faulty console is pretty downright despicable, but that's Microsoft for you. But I still have another year on my warranty left, I'm not going to worry about it yet.clone01again, i'm not trying to start a fight here, because i think the RROD is unacceptable, but Sony did the same thing. Looking at it objectively, both companies are as bad as each other. But I've had RROD 3 times and my 6 year old PS2 still works fine, never DRE'd on me. So a lot of this is down to personal experience.
1. 3 Year warrenty, they replace the thing for free for three years. go figure.
2. Best library , yes it still does
3. Best online service, not the cheapest but still the best
4. lowest price, you can get one for £99 now in the sales.
you mean like the time i had to buy a brand new PS2 because of the DRE issue at the time? yep, sony suckered me out of about $200. see what i did there? honestly tek91, could you for once post something that is not complete sony propaganda?
I had my ps2 from launch and if it had kept breaking on me and sony refused to pay me back my money I would take my business elsewhere I would not pay extra for a purchase I already made because the makers were incompetence, it's their fault not mines, especially if the machine scratches dvds and they refuse to refund my money for those DVDS.
As far as PS 2 I never had this issue nor any of my friends they never had their PS 2 break on them, the problem is the 360 everyone i know that has one has gotten the rrod it's widespread.
So what do you call what sony did??? The first year and a half was absolutely horrible and you know it. Even bigger than that, sony lost so much money, and so much marketshare this gen. and you say MICROSOFT dropped the ball??? wake up man! Stop drinking the kool-aid!
I'm not talking about sony they are doing good in my eyes with their selection of games and their machine is reliable. Sony lost money so we can watch blue ray and have the best gaming system on earth while M$ lost more than 2 million dollars giving you a faulty and unreliable system.
The PS2 DRE scenario has been brought up...six times in this thread, and there hasn't been a rebuttal posted to a single one. I think the silence speaks for itself.
Me and none of my friends experienced the DRE if we did and they kept breaking on us we would take our business to a console that's reliable not a console like the 360 with a 16.4% and above failure rate.
Heh heh.Also, I guess you just have bad luck, because I have yet to hear of discs cracking in the system. You'll have to pardon us if we believe you're exaggerating. Also...bandodging is bad, m'kay?
no ones exageratingthis is from wikipedia
some Xbox 360 drives lack a mechanism to secure the disc solidly in place.Tilting or moving consoles with these drives, when operating with a disc spinning inside, can potentially cause damage to the disc, in some cases rendering the disc unusable Although this problem is not covered by the warranty[ Microsoft's Xbox Disc Replacement Program will replace a limited range of scratched discs that are published in countries where the Xbox was originally sold for a $20 fee, and released a list of games that qualify for replacement Halo 3 Limited Edition was replaced at no cost until February 1, 2008 according to the Xbox Disc Replacement Program's main site.
they give you a machine that scratches disks and then want you to pay them $20 to replace the disk what bs
you mean like the time i had to buy a brand new PS2 because of the DRE issue at the time? yep, sony suckered me out of about $200. see what i did there? honestly tek91, could you for once post something that is not complete sony propaganda?
I had my ps2 from launch and if it had kept breaking on me and sony refused to pay me back my money I would take my business elsewhere I would not pay extra for a purchase I already made because the makers were incompetence, it's their fault not mines, especially if the machine scratches dvds and they refuse to refund my money for those DVDS.
As far as PS 2 I never had this issue nor any of my friends they never had their PS 2 break on them, the problem is the 360 everyone i know that has one has gotten the rrod it's widespread.
So what do you call what sony did??? The first year and a half was absolutely horrible and you know it. Even bigger than that, sony lost so much money, and so much marketshare this gen. and you say MICROSOFT dropped the ball??? wake up man! Stop drinking the kool-aid!
I'm not talking about sony they are doing good in my eyes with their selection of games and their machine is reliable. Sony lost money so we can watch blue ray and have the best gaming system on earth while M$ lost more than 2 million dollars giving you a faulty and unreliable system.
The PS2 DRE scenario has been brought up...six times in this thread, and there hasn't been a rebuttal posted to a single one. I think the silence speaks for itself.
Me and none of my friends experienced the DRE if we did and they kept breaking on us we would take our business to a console that's reliable not a console like the 360 with a 16.4% and above failure rate.
Heh heh.Also, I guess you just have bad luck, because I have yet to hear of discs cracking in the system. You'll have to pardon us if we believe you're exaggerating. Also...bandodging is bad, m'kay?
no ones exageratingthis is from wikipedia
some Xbox 360 drives lack a mechanism to secure the disc solidly in place.Tilting or moving consoles with these drives, when operating with a disc spinning inside, can potentially cause damage to the disc, in some cases rendering the disc unusable Although this problem is not covered by the warranty[ Microsoft's Xbox Disc Replacement Program will replace a limited range of scratched discs that are published in countries where the Xbox was originally sold for a $20 fee, and released a list of games that qualify for replacement Halo 3 Limited Edition was replaced at no cost until February 1, 2008 according to the Xbox Disc Replacement Program's main site.
they give you a machine that scratches disks and then want you to pay them $20 to replace the disk what bs
Do you read your post to yourself when you are posting?? Its just sad for someone to blindly follow a company like this, but you wont listen either way, maybe one day when you grow up, and understand business, and realize that not everyone thinks like you, then you will be ok, but until then, who knows....................Do you read your post to yourself when you are posting?? Its just sad for someone to blindly follow a company like this, but you wont listen either way, maybe one day when you grow up, and understand business, and realize that not everyone thinks like you, then you will be ok, but until then, who knows....................navyguy21yet he does. one of the problems of SW.
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I am on my 4th 360 and I have only bought one....ninjaxmascongrats??? Well, its somewhat on point. I have bought one 360. Even having had RRoD, I have still only bought one 360, so the thread title coupled with RRoD talk does not make much sense when MS replaces the box for free. If your 360 RRoDs and you are in a warrantied area (most major gaming regions) and you buy a new one instead of having the free fix/replacement, you come off as silly to me.
Do you read your post to yourself when you are posting?? Its just sad for someone to blindly follow a company like this, but you wont listen either way, maybe one day when you grow up, and understand business, and realize that not everyone thinks like you, then you will be ok, but until then, who knows....................
I don't know what you find wrong with my post, but if you want to support a company that gives you a faulty system which also damages your disk by all means go ahead let M$ rip you off.
Do you read your post to yourself when you are posting?? Its just sad for someone to blindly follow a company like this, but you wont listen either way, maybe one day when you grow up, and understand business, and realize that not everyone thinks like you, then you will be ok, but until then, who knows....................
I don't know what you find wrong with my post, but if you want to support a company that gives you a faulty system which also damages your disk by all means go ahead let M$ rip you off.
Sony ripped me off more by promising me this PS2-like console that was supposed to be when next-gen started, and promising all these exclusive games i could only get on PS3, promising me things that 360 couldnt do. Forcing me to buy things that i dont want just to get one(bluray) Now im paying for that, everything they promised me, a 200 dollar console is doing and doing better. So you tell me which is the rip-off??? No matter how many times my 360 breaks, i will still get it repaired because it provides the best GAMING experience this gen, PERIODits free and very easy to send it in and they give you a free 30 day xbox live trial its really not that bad people make it sound a lot worse then it is.I keep hearing about people buying another xbox 360s after they got the red ring? why the hell would you do that?
right now, my xbox is with M$ for repairs, and i just find it strange that players would shell out more money for another xbox 360 after M$ just scam them out of $200-$400. I already paid for my xbox 360 and it broke not because of me, but because Microsoft screwed up. It is not my fault and i refuse to take responsiblities and let my pockets suffer for M$'s mistakes. Either M$ give me a working console or they would never receive another penny for me. As of right now, i dont have a gaming console, and the thought of buying a ps3(cause of the price and the fact the xbox 360 is my pefer console) never cross my mind untill after my 360 crapped out on me. I need a gaming console and for dayum sure i would not purchase another 360. if I spill water on my 360, if it was my fault that my system broke, then i would not mind replacing it. if Am im the only with this kind of mind set? You don't get hair in your food and go back to that restauraunt later so why would are players buying new x360? that is beyond me. i refuse to be jerk around.
dthach614
same reason why millions of ps2 owners did with the ps2...because it's a great console.I keep hearing about people buying another xbox 360s after they got the red ring? why the hell would you do that?
right now, my xbox is with M$ for repairs, and i just find it strange that players would shell out more money for another xbox 360 after M$ just scam them out of $200-$400. I already paid for my xbox 360 and it broke not because of me, but because Microsoft screwed up. It is not my fault and i refuse to take responsiblities and let my pockets suffer for M$'s mistakes. Either M$ give me a working console or they would never receive another penny for me. As of right now, i dont have a gaming console, and the thought of buying a ps3(cause of the price and the fact the xbox 360 is my pefer console) never cross my mind untill after my 360 crapped out on me. I need a gaming console and for dayum sure i would not purchase another 360. if I spill water on my 360, if it was my fault that my system broke, then i would not mind replacing it. if Am im the only with this kind of mind set? You don't get hair in your food and go back to that restauraunt later so why would are players buying new x360? that is beyond me. i refuse to be jerk around.
dthach614
[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] [QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="angry_fork"]
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Perhaps I'm missing something here, but who would buy another 360 if they could get their RROD'd one repaired for free?dthach614
I guess to have an extra incase one dies.
But yea because it's a good system TC, some people are willing to deal with the RROD stuff because there's a lot of great games on it, or they like Live, 360's exclusives or even the controller.
PS3 is reliable but it's out of the price range for a lot of people, even if 360 isn't that much off, that 400 number still stares you in the face and scares you, Microsoft is good at hiding 360's extra (optional) charges.
yes it is a good system. i have a lot of 360 games to know that but game console are not cheap and i just feel that we as consumer should not be punish for Microsoft's mistakes. The only reason I'm thinng about purchasing a ps3 because as of right now I have deep hatred for Microsoft and i do not want to support them after they just scam me out of $480(360 elite). Even though the ps3 line up doesn't really interest me much but i'm a gamer and i need a game console. and the wii just look silly to me so the ps3 is my only option left.
scam out of the elite?? they didnt make you buy it dude.Same can be said about the ps2 and its problems. Honestly though you are boycotting because you had bad luck with your system is a little childish. You are missing out on all the great games.[QUOTE="sirk1264"][QUOTE="ninjaxmas"]i dunno how ppl can support MS after this whole mess started. i havn't bought a game for my 360 in over a year because i refuse to give them my hard earned money. after my 2nd died i canceled my live account and sold all my games except for two and bought a ps3. best gaming choice i've ever made...dthach614
How is it childish? So it is childish for people to choose an alternative after losing $400? You're a perfect example of what a fanboy is. and it is not luck. Everbody I know that has a 360 had gotten the red ring. and the people they know had also gotten the red ring. My boss at work got the red ring. It is inevitable to get the red ring.
you are not losing anything then fix it for free......i think because most people dont even know about it, ms is doing a great job keeping this issue at minimum damage with help from the media. On the other hand, ps3 is an awesome hardware but yet it's getting slammed by the NA media every other day for so called " it has no good games" and "bluray is useless"ZoomZoom2490i know, its rather sad isn't it. i'm completely sick of reading the truckloads of bad press i've seen in the past few weeks regarding the ps3...
[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]i think because most people dont even know about it, ms is doing a great job keeping this issue at minimum damage with help from the media. On the other hand, ps3 is an awesome hardware but yet it's getting slammed by the NA media every other day for so called " it has no good games" and "bluray is useless"ninjaxmasi know, its rather sad isn't it. i'm completely sick of reading the truckloads of bad press i've seen in the past few weeks regarding the ps3...
Oh please. Go back a year, no better yet, go back six months and tell me MS has been doing a good job of covering up the Xbox 360's hardware failures. :|
The only reason the RROD has fallen out of the spotlight is because the problem itself has been all but fixed in newer systems. The reason the PS3 is eceiving all of this bad press is because of its disappointing performance on Black Friday and through the month of November, where sales of the PS3 fell compared to last year's sales while the Xbox 360 and Wii saw nothing but increases over their sales during the same time period.
Repaires are no longer free. So I went out a bought a new Jasper system to make sure I wont get a rrod. Why did I buy two. 1. Best games. 2. More fun online. 3. A controller I like. Only coast me 228 bucks. Not too much other I would want for that price.chaoz-king
Repairs/replacements are still free. :|
The warranty lasts for 3 years from the time that you BUY the console, not the launch window. As soon as you pick it up you automatically have a 3 year warranty in place for the next 3 years.
Seems you wasted 228 bucks. :( You could've gotten it replaced for free.
I 100% agree with you OP. One of the main reasons I went with the PS3 is because of the RROD and how the 360 is a faulty piece of crap in general with its disc scratching etc.
When a machine breaks on a consumer only to result in him buying it again and thus increase sales for the company, you know that most economic arguements of "rational" consumers can be abandoned :D
The RROD argument is as weak as the PS3 has no games argument.SpinoRaptor24
Yep pretty much to the dismay of fanboys you're right. At one time yeah but thats is no longer the case for either.
I keep hearing about people buying another xbox 360s after they got the red ring? why the hell would you do that?
dthach614
Its just the voices in your head , if they get the red ring these consoles are repaired free of charge !
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