Why do people say PC gaming is more expensive?

It isn't cheaper if you don't have a starting point (i.e. an already extant desktop in your home). Building a PC from the ground up (especially a gaming PC, designed to run games very nicely) is quite a bit more expensive than what it would cost to buy a Wii, 360 or PS3. I would love someone to show me how to build a PC that can max Crysis, STALKER: Clear Sky and Mass Effect 2 for no more than $300... and have it include a monitor, mouse, keyboard, DVD/R-ROM and tower.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Im sorry but in no way is pc gaming cheaper. $400 dolalrs for a gaming rig? LMAO my GPU cost that much im sorry but if you go that cheap on a pc rig you pretty much lose out on its most imporant advantage.

washd123

except youre wrong. read on for why

No im right and thats pretty much a fact. ive been a gamer for about 20 years and have built 3 gaming pc's. To get the true advantage of pc gaming you are going to have to spend significantly more on the hardware there is no its and or buts about it . You can argue that console gamers spend 10$ more on a game etc etc, but given the fact you can buy used console games and trade in old ones consoels are cheaper in that respect to. The only way pc gaming is cheaper is if yousteal all your games.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Sorry but your delusional, no 60$ card on the market is going to come close to what the PS3 and 360 can do thats pretty funny though

washd123

and youre ignorant.

an hd4670 is priced at $60-75 depending on the memory.

yet it will out perform a console easily.

Not familiar with the ATI cards im an Nvidia man myself but why dont you post some bencmarks instead of random babble.

No im right and thats pretty much a fact. ive been a gamer for about 20 years and have built 3 gaming pc's. To get the true advantage of pc gaming you are going to have to spend significantly more on the hardware there is no its and or buts about it . You can argue that console gamers spend 10$ more on a game etc etc, but given the fact you can buy used console games and trade in old ones consoels are cheaper in that respect to. The only way pc gaming is cheaper is if yousteal all your games.

TheSterls

or if you actually decide to check prices online.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Sorry but your delusional, no 60$ card on the market is going to come close to what the PS3 and 360 can do thats pretty funny though

washd123

and youre ignorant.

an hd4670 is priced at $60-75 depending on the memory.

yet it will out perform a console easily.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Sorry but your delusional, no 60$ card on the market is going to come close to what the PS3 and 360 can do thats pretty funny though

04dcarraher

and youre ignorant.

an hd4670 is priced at $60-75 depending on the memory.

yet it will out perform a console easily.

Not familiar with the ATI cards im an Nvidia man myself but why dont you post some bencmarks instead of random babble.

TheSterls

ok so nvidia

the 9600gt and the gt240 both outperform the consoles for around $60-75

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_geforce_gt240/6.htm

GT240 runs FC2 on high at 1280x1024 (slightly higher than 720p) and gets almost 50fps. while the consoles run it on medium and get between 25-30fps

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd4670/9.htm

the hd4670 gets 60fps with bioshock at that res or 40fps with it at 1080p while the consoles are at 720p 30fps

the hd4670 gets 45fps at 1080p or 70fps at 720p with COD4 maxed out with 4x AA while the consoles are running it less than 720p and getting 60fps on high settings with 2x AA.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_geforce_gt240/11.htm

GT240 batman AA 720p 60fps on medium consoles 720p 30fps on medium

GT240 again RE5 1080p on medium with high textures gets 40FPS average. consoles 720p 30fps.

the hd4670 even plays crysis on high with 2x AA and gets 35fps at 720p

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Sorry but your delusional, no 60$ card on the market is going to come close to what the PS3 and 360 can do thats pretty funny though

04dcarraher

and youre ignorant.

an hd4670 is priced at $60-75 depending on the memory.

yet it will out perform a console easily.

Yet you fail to realize the bonus of having hardware that works exclusively with each other for the sole purpose of gaming. Please go look up the 7800gtx benchmarks on any of todays current games and see how it stacks up vs PS3 and 360 multipalts even at the same res,there not even close. They barely run current multiplat games such as RE5, Assassins Creed or DMC4 just to name a few examples. Your basically acting like the consoel just has a standard bog 7800gtx in it compeltely ignoring the most expensive part of consoel which was the processor and the br drive. Yet again please look up the benchmarks and my point still stands. If you want a card to outperform consoles you will need at least a 8800gt and the prices I looked up online are about 150$ which is more then the 60$ you claimed.

too pad pc hardware isnt taking advantage of near how much console hardware is

and the 4650 will certainly not "run circles" around a console

kidcool189

if overclocked to hd4670 speeds yes it will

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="washd123"]

and youre ignorant.

an hd4670 is priced at $60-75 depending on the memory.

yet it will out perform a console easily.

Yet you fail to realize the bonus of having hardware that works exclusively with each other for the sole purpose of gaming. Please go look up the 7800gtx benchmarks on any of todays current games and see how it stacks up vs PS3 and 360 multipalts even at the same res,there not even close. They barely run current multiplat games such as RE5, Assassins Creed or DMC4 just to name a few examples. Your basically acting like the consoel just has a standard bog 7800gtx in it compeltely ignoring the most expensive part of consoel which was the processor and the br drive. Yet again please look up the benchmarks and my point still stands. If you want a card to outperform consoles you will need at least a 8800gt and the prices I looked up online are about 150$ which is more then the 60$ you claimed.

TheSterls

or a hd4670 or a 9600gt or a hd4650 OC or a GT240 or a 9600GSO all sub $100 cards between $50-75

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="washd123"]

and youre ignorant.

an hd4670 is priced at $60-75 depending on the memory.

yet it will out perform a console easily.

Yet you fail to realize the bonus of having hardware that works exclusively with each other for the sole purpose of gaming. Please go look up the 7800gtx benchmarks on any of todays current games and see how it stacks up vs PS3 and 360 multipalts even at the same res,there not even close. They barely run current multiplat games such as RE5, Assassins Creed or DMC4 just to name a few examples. Your basically acting like the consoel just has a standard bog 7800gtx in it compeltely ignoring the most expensive part of consoel which was the processor and the br drive. Yet again please look up the benchmarks and my point still stands. If you want a card to outperform consoles you will need at least a 8800gt and the prices I looked up online are about 150$ which is more then the 60$ you claimed.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] The consoles have 2004 based gpu's ok how can they even compare to even a 2006 based gpu :roll: The PS3 has a Geforce 7800 ok while a 8800gt is between 3-4x faster and has 2-4x more memory allowing better resolutions and detail in textures. And that card isnt even the best even in 2007. The ATI 4650 or better will run in circles of a console gpu, and then on Nvidia a 8600gt or better too.04dcarraher

Yet you fail to realize the bonus of having hardware that works exclusively with each other for the sole purpose of gaming. Please go look up the 7800gtx benchmarks on any of todays current games and see how it stacks up vs PS3 and 360 multipalts even at the same res,there not even close. They barely run current multiplat games such as RE5, Assassins Creed or DMC4 just to name a few examples. Your basically acting like the consoel just has a standard bog 7800gtx in it compeltely ignoring the most expensive part of consoel which was the processor and the br drive. Yet again please look up the benchmarks and my point still stands. If you want a card to outperform consoles you will need at least a 8800gt and the prices I looked up online are about 150$ which is more then the 60$ you claimed.

LOL no it wont it cant even run the majority of todays consoels title even if you go as low as 720p AC and RE5 run terribly.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Not familiar with the ATI cards im an Nvidia man myself but why dont you post some bencmarks instead of random babble.

washd123

ok so nvidia

the 9600gt and the gt240 both outperform the consoles for around $60-75

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_geforce_gt240/6.htm

GT240 runs FC2 on high at 1280x1024 (slightly higher than 720p) and gets almost 50fps. while the consoles run it on medium and get between 25-30fps

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd4670/9.htm

the hd4670 gets 60fps with bioshock at that res or 40fps with it at 1080p while the consoles are at 720p 30fps

the hd4670 gets 45fps at 1080p or 70fps at 720p with COD4 maxed out with 4x AA while the consoles are running it less than 720p and getting 60fps on high settings with 2x AA.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_geforce_gt240/11.htm

GT240 batman AA 720p 60fps on medium consoles 720p 30fps on medium

GT240 again RE5 1080p on medium with high textures gets 40FPS average. consoles 720p 30fps.

the hd4670 even plays crysis on high with 2x AA and gets 35fps at 720p

Sure you gotta lay down a staple price (like 800$ but 400$ if you just build one)

AND you gotta upgrade (what 60$ every 1-2 years??)

But when it comes down to it. Games on the pc are very cheap. Pc has steam which is dead cheap.

And pc is a multi tasking system which means it does more than just play games

But most games i see on pc are a lot cheaper than a console game.

EDIT

While on a console you got your 300$ and your 50$ for accessories. And your 60$ a year (depends on console you choose but ps3 is getting premium also) for gaming online. And each new game is almost 70$ now. (Takes forever for them to drop in price you just slap those 70 big ones) Also you got your extra controllers (Extra 50$ or used which is like 20$)

Also your playing on a console thats not even graphically on par with pc.

falldogout

those are suprisingly high #'s, but you should also take into fact that the test setup being used contains an i7 920(~$300) and enthusiast quality ram(~$200)...therefore nullifying your claim of building a pc for $400 thatd kill consoles...kidcool189

only if those games are CPU heavy most arent

and considering you can buy a quadcore for $100 or a triple core faster cpu for $100 now does it really?

running all those games even with 2gb of ram and a $100 quadcore will still outperform the consoles.

Sure you gotta lay down a staple price (like 800$ but 400$ if you just build one)falldogout

That's why people say it's expensive.

That's why people say it's expensive.

Senor_Kami

because theyre short sighted

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Yet you fail to realize the bonus of having hardware that works exclusively with each other for the sole purpose of gaming. Please go look up the 7800gtx benchmarks on any of todays current games and see how it stacks up vs PS3 and 360 multipalts even at the same res,there not even close. They barely run current multiplat games such as RE5, Assassins Creed or DMC4 just to name a few examples. Your basically acting like the consoel just has a standard bog 7800gtx in it compeltely ignoring the most expensive part of consoel which was the processor and the br drive. Yet again please look up the benchmarks and my point still stands. If you want a card to outperform consoles you will need at least a 8800gt and the prices I looked up online are about 150$ which is more then the 60$ you claimed.

LOL no it wont it cant even run the majority of todays consoels title even if you go as low as 720p AC and RE5 run terribly.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Not familiar with the ATI cards im an Nvidia man myself but why dont you post some bencmarks instead of random babble.

washd123

ok so nvidia

the 9600gt and the gt240 both outperform the consoles for around $60-75

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_geforce_gt240/6.htm

GT240 runs FC2 on high at 1280x1024 (slightly higher than 720p) and gets almost 50fps. while the consoles run it on medium and get between 25-30fps

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd4670/9.htm

the hd4670 gets 60fps with bioshock at that res or 40fps with it at 1080p while the consoles are at 720p 30fps

the hd4670 gets 45fps at 1080p or 70fps at 720p with COD4 maxed out with 4x AA while the consoles are running it less than 720p and getting 60fps on high settings with 2x AA.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_geforce_gt240/11.htm

GT240 batman AA 720p 60fps on medium consoles 720p 30fps on medium

GT240 again RE5 1080p on medium with high textures gets 40FPS average. consoles 720p 30fps.

the hd4670 even plays crysis on high with 2x AA and gets 35fps at 720p

You are simply esitmating all the console benchamrks an example is the settings and RE5 on pc on max everything is identical to the 360 version so if you have to downgrade textures that doesnt help your case.My point still stands you cant build a pc that will outperform a console for the price of a console and given trade in options for console games it is simply cheaper any way you look at it.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

That's why people say it's expensive.

washd123

because theyre short sighted

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Im sorry but in no way is pc gaming cheaper. $400 dolalrs for a gaming rig? LMAO my GPU cost that much im sorry but if you go that cheap on a pc rig you pretty much lose out on its most imporant advantage.

TheSterls

except youre wrong. read on for why

No im right and thats pretty much a fact. ive been a gamer for about 20 years and have built 3 gaming pc's. To get the true advantage of pc gaming you are going to have to spend significantly more on the hardware there is no its and or buts about it . You can argue that console gamers spend 10$ more on a game etc etc, but given the fact you can buy used console games and trade in old ones consoels are cheaper in that respect to. The only way pc gaming is cheaper is if yousteal all your games.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] If you run a 7800gt or 7800gtx at the true resolutions and settings of most consoles games they will do better then the consoles.04dcarraher

LOL no it wont it cant even run the majority of todays consoels title even if you go as low as 720p AC and RE5 run terribly.

Again you need to get your facts straight before you just randomly babble.Look up the stats on any current mutliplat and yes the Ps3 far outperforms the 7800gtx , you act like its a few sloppy ports and thats simply not the case. Also the RSX outperforms the 7800gtx in sevral areas not to mention it uses its processor to aid in visual rendering . Im sorry but since most games are designed around the pc architecture now a days the sloppy port excuse for pc really doesnt work. The PS3 is the one with the odd architecture so if its outpeforming it on multipalts that should tell you something.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="washd123"]

except youre wrong. read on for why

ferret-gamer

No im right and thats pretty much a fact. ive been a gamer for about 20 years and have built 3 gaming pc's. To get the true advantage of pc gaming you are going to have to spend significantly more on the hardware there is no its and or buts about it . You can argue that console gamers spend 10$ more on a game etc etc, but given the fact you can buy used console games and trade in old ones consoels are cheaper in that respect to. The only way pc gaming is cheaper is if yousteal all your games.

Im pretty new to these forums how do i view it? Considering you dont even own a console I doubt that to be the case.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

LOL no it wont it cant even run the majority of todays consoels title even if you go as low as 720p AC and RE5 run terribly.

TheSterls

Again you need to get your facts straight before you just randomly babble.Look up the stats on any current mutliplat and yes the Ps3 far outperforms the 7800gtx , you act like its a few sloppy ports and thats simply not the case. Also the RSX outperforms the 7800gtx in sevral areas not to mention it uses its processor to aid in visual rendering . Im sorry but since most games are designed around the pc architecture now a days the sloppy port excuse for pc really doesnt work. The PS3 is the one with the odd architecture so if its outpeforming it on multipalts that should tell you something.

360

Pc 2006 mid ranged Pc with a Geforce 6 series card

You are simply esitmating all the console benchamrks an example is the settings and RE5 on pc on max everything is identical to the 360 version so if you have to downgrade textures that doesnt help your case.My point still stands you cant build a pc that will outperform a console for the price of a console and given trade in options for console games it is simply cheaper any way you look at it.

TheSterls

im not estimating theres no need to. ubisoft already said that FC2 was on medium settings. and its obvious if you compare. same with RE5 same with Batman. same with COD4. no estimating involved.

and i never said that you could build a pc that could outperform the consoles for the price of the consoles. you cant unless you steal parts.

but for an intial investment of $400 youll end up saving so much more. i can trade in my pc games as well or resell them. many gpu companies offer trade programs. the oppertunities are there for pc gamers as well except we have one much larger one that console gamers. upgrading.

in 3-4 years (assuming they last a long time) in order to play 'the next gen' games youll need to buy a new console. no way around it. you cant reuse your old console and recycle. oh sure take it down to gamestop and get what $50? at best. and then you have to worry about the next console playing the old games but thats a different story. while i can just buy a new motherboard,cpu,memory, and gpu only if i even HAVE to. my case,psu,hdd, and windows isnt going to suddenly become obsolete so that i have to replace them. so thats means ill be able to spend $100 to $200 while youll be at the mercy of the pricing of the gaming companies.

Pc gaming CAN be expensive, but it can also be a lot cheaper than console gaming for a system with better hardware in the long run which is something people choose to ignore.

but hey ignorance is bliss eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTXWWUJGsz0

Also note that parts was bought before 5750 5770 exsited.

That computer only costed me 300euro to build.

It isn't cheaper if you don't have a starting point (i.e. an already extant desktop in your home). Building a PC from the ground up (especially a gaming PC, designed to run games very nicely) is quite a bit more expensive than what it would cost to buy a Wii, 360 or PS3. I would love someone to show me how to build a PC that can max Crysis, STALKER: Clear Sky and Mass Effect 2 for no more than $300... and have it include a monitor, mouse, keyboard, DVD/R-ROM and tower.

foxhound_fox

PC over a whole generation comes out cheaper than a console, it's a fact. The reason why that is the case is because every PC game comes around $10-$15 cheaper than the console version. Now multiply that by the number of games you buy over the whole gen. Most people will buy 20+ games over the whole gen, that's already a saving of up to $200 to $300 if not more compared to the console just on games. Not to mention for some console you have to pay to play online, multiply that by 5+ since that's how long each gen last.

Not to mention everyone that is posting on these forums are posting from a computer. Since most average computers today already have a dual-core cpu and 2GB of RAM, you would only need to buy a GPU and in some cases a better power supply and you have a good gaming PC. You only need to spend around a $100 on the upgrades and that average computer will become a gaming PC that will be able to max out any console port easily.

Consoles at first may appear to be cheaper but over the whole gen that cost will mount up. While a good PC may first appear expensive, over the whole gen the cost will decrease because games are so much cheaper compared to consoles. Also if you use MODS your PC games will also give you more mileage for the buck than a console game.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

People dont understand how easy it is to upgradetheir home computer to become gaming capable. Most families spend $400-$700 on a decsent computers to begin with why not add a $60 videocard and be able to game on it. The funny thing is that those $60 video cards run circles around what the 360 or PS3 can do. If you or your family have bought a Pc in the last 4 years chances are that you only need a $60-$100 purchasethat will last as long as the current consoles stay on the market.

TheSterls

Sorry but your delusional, no 60$ card on the market is going to come close to what the PS3 and 360 can do thats pretty funny though

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Isnt it funny that a PS3 7800 which is gimped can beat a full 7800gtx , O the irony, And alot of console ports on Pc arent coded right to begin with so you need the extra power to play it smooth. But any other multiplatform game thats done right a 7800gtx or even a 8600gt can play those games better then console versions.04dcarraher

Again you need to get your facts straight before you just randomly babble.Look up the stats on any current mutliplat and yes the Ps3 far outperforms the 7800gtx , you act like its a few sloppy ports and thats simply not the case. Also the RSX outperforms the 7800gtx in sevral areas not to mention it uses its processor to aid in visual rendering . Im sorry but since most games are designed around the pc architecture now a days the sloppy port excuse for pc really doesnt work. The PS3 is the one with the odd architecture so if its outpeforming it on multipalts that should tell you something.

360

Pc 2006 mid ranged Pc with a Geforce 6 series card

LMAO PREY was a horrible console port. It used one of the 360s 3 cores it was being devloped before multiplat games even used muti core processing my pont still stands. Other then first gen 360 titles they will all pretty much outperform a 7800gtx .

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Again you need to get your facts straight before you just randomly babble.Look up the stats on any current mutliplat and yes the Ps3 far outperforms the 7800gtx , you act like its a few sloppy ports and thats simply not the case. Also the RSX outperforms the 7800gtx in sevral areas not to mention it uses its processor to aid in visual rendering . Im sorry but since most games are designed around the pc architecture now a days the sloppy port excuse for pc really doesnt work. The PS3 is the one with the odd architecture so if its outpeforming it on multipalts that should tell you something.

TheSterls

360

Pc 2006 mid ranged Pc with a Geforce 6 series card

LMAO PREY was a horrible console port. It used one of the 360s 3 cores it was being devloped before multiplat games even used muti core processing my pont still stands. Other then first gen 360 titles they will all pretty much outperform a 7800gtx .

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

No im right and thats pretty much a fact. ive been a gamer for about 20 years and have built 3 gaming pc's. To get the true advantage of pc gaming you are going to have to spend significantly more on the hardware there is no its and or buts about it . You can argue that console gamers spend 10$ more on a game etc etc, but given the fact you can buy used console games and trade in old ones consoels are cheaper in that respect to. The only way pc gaming is cheaper is if yousteal all your games.

TheSterls

Im pretty new to these forums how do i view it? Considering you dont even own a console I doubt that to be the case.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

It isn't cheaper if you don't have a starting point (i.e. an already extant desktop in your home). Building a PC from the ground up (especially a gaming PC, designed to run games very nicely) is quite a bit more expensive than what it would cost to buy a Wii, 360 or PS3. I would love someone to show me how to build a PC that can max Crysis, STALKER: Clear Sky and Mass Effect 2 for no more than $300... and have it include a monitor, mouse, keyboard, DVD/R-ROM and tower.

Mitjastiskovski

PC over a whole generation comes out cheaper than a console, it's a fact. The reason why that is the case is because every PC game comes around $10-$15 cheaper than the console version. Now multiply that by the number of games you buy over the whole gen. Most people will buy 20+ games over the whole gen, that's already a saving of up to $200 to $300 if not more compared to the console just on games. Not to mention for some console you have to pay to play online, multiply that by 5+ since that's how long each gen last.

Not to mention everyone that is posting on these forums are posting from a computer. Since most average computers today already have a dual-core cpu and 2GB of RAM, you would only need to buy a GPU and in some cases a better power supply and you have a good gaming PC. You only need to spend around a $100 on the upgrades and that average computer will become a gaming PC that will be able to max out any console port easily.

Consoles at first may appear to be cheaper but over the whole gen that cost will mount up. While a good PC may first appear expensive, over the whole gen the cost will decrease because games are so much cheaper compared to consoles. Also if you use MODS your PC games will also give you more mileage for the buck than a console game.

way to imply that everyone buys all their console games @ $60 new price...kidcool189

Just like any other PC vs console thread, intelligent people will agree that PC has more value, so it's more expensive, and the fanboys will just yell "lulz PC haz no gamez, PC sux, lulz" or "can i pleh MGS4 or halo3 on teh PC? thought so" while assuming that the Pc has no games. Same old, same old.

Hanass

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

You are simply esitmating all the console benchamrks an example is the settings and RE5 on pc on max everything is identical to the 360 version so if you have to downgrade textures that doesnt help your case.My point still stands you cant build a pc that will outperform a console for the price of a console and given trade in options for console games it is simply cheaper any way you look at it.

washd123

im not estimating theres no need to. ubisoft already said that FC2 was on medium settings. and its obvious if you compare. same with RE5 same with Batman. same with COD4. no estimating involved.

and i never said that you could build a pc that could outperform the consoles for the price of the consoles. you cant unless you steal parts.

but for an intial investment of $400 youll end up saving so much more. i can trade in my pc games as well or resell them. many gpu companies offer trade programs. the oppertunities are there for pc gamers as well except we have one much larger one that console gamers. upgrading.

in 3-4 years (assuming they last a long time) in order to play 'the next gen' games youll need to buy a new console. no way around it. you cant reuse your old console and recycle. oh sure take it down to gamestop and get what $50? at best. and then you have to worry about the next console playing the old games but thats a different story. while i can just buy a new motherboard,cpu,memory, and gpu only if i even HAVE to. my case,psu,hdd, and windows isnt going to suddenly become obsolete so that i have to replace them. so thats means ill be able to spend $100 to $200 while youll be at the mercy of the pricing of the gaming companies.

Pc gaming CAN be expensive, but it can also be a lot cheaper than console gaming for a system with better hardware in the long run which is something people choose to ignore.

but hey ignorance is bliss eh?

Im not being ignorant im just stating the facts. $400 doolars for a pc is not going to get you something that consistantly outpeforms a console. You can name crap like fC2 that was ported across platform but I can name a list of others that will outperofrm anything on a 400$ pc.The Motherboard, GPU , CPU and memory make up the bulk of the price anyways. Hell i even had to replace my case because my old one didnt have enough ventilation for my new setup it was also slightly to small for my GTx285.

PS. Do you honeslty think you can just make a 200$ upgarde to your current pc and then it will outperfom the PS4 and next xbox console are you really arguing that? Console hardware is sold at a loss. It cost sony around $850 to manufacture each ps3 at launch while pc manufactures sell everything for a small profit , its the reason why you get alot more bang for your buck with consoles and then theres the issues of game trade-ins and buying used games which is also a benefit to consoels.

Because consoles can be bought by your parents, while a pc you need to buy yourself._Pedro_

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Not familiar with the ATI cards im an Nvidia man myself but why dont you post some bencmarks instead of random babble.

TheSterls

ok so nvidia

the 9600gt and the gt240 both outperform the consoles for around $60-75

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_geforce_gt240/6.htm

GT240 runs FC2 on high at 1280x1024 (slightly higher than 720p) and gets almost 50fps. while the consoles run it on medium and get between 25-30fps

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd4670/9.htm

the hd4670 gets 60fps with bioshock at that res or 40fps with it at 1080p while the consoles are at 720p 30fps

the hd4670 gets 45fps at 1080p or 70fps at 720p with COD4 maxed out with 4x AA while the consoles are running it less than 720p and getting 60fps on high settings with 2x AA.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_geforce_gt240/11.htm

GT240 batman AA 720p 60fps on medium consoles 720p 30fps on medium

GT240 again RE5 1080p on medium with high textures gets 40FPS average. consoles 720p 30fps.

the hd4670 even plays crysis on high with 2x AA and gets 35fps at 720p

You are simply esitmating all the console benchamrks an example is the settings and RE5 on pc on max everything is identical to the 360 version so if you have to downgrade textures that doesnt help your case.My point still stands you cant build a pc that will outperform a console for the price of a console and given trade in options for console games it is simply cheaper any way you look at it.

It isn't cheaper if you don't have a starting point (i.e. an already extant desktop in your home). Building a PC from the ground up (especially a gaming PC, designed to run games very nicely) is quite a bit more expensive than what it would cost to buy a Wii, 360 or PS3. I would love someone to show me how to build a PC that can max Crysis, STALKER: Clear Sky and Mass Effect 2 for no more than $300... and have it include a monitor, mouse, keyboard, DVD/R-ROM and tower.

foxhound_fox

heres a pick of that pc build i'll try to build one now see how cheap i can get within what i consider acceptable standards.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] You dont know what your talking about, need proof?

360

Pc 2006 mid ranged Pc with a Geforce 6 series card

04dcarraher

LMAO PREY was a horrible console port. It used one of the 360s 3 cores it was being devloped before multiplat games even used muti core processing my pont still stands. Other then first gen 360 titles they will all pretty much outperform a 7800gtx .

You really need to read up on the development of the game. It used one of the 360's 3 cores so the game was as gimped as a port can get. It was also outscourced to a outside dev so the 360 and pc versions were devleoped seperatley. Prey at its highest settings on any pc looks average by todays visual standards on consoles. I dont think you could logically argue that. Gears of War came out shortly after and blew it outof the water and it also didnt look as good on a 7800gtx as it did the 360 so I pretty much prove my point there.

Just like any other PC vs console thread, intelligent people will agree that PC has more value, so it's more expensive, and the fanboys will just yell "lulz PC haz no gamez, PC sux, lulz" or "can i pleh MGS4 or halo3 on teh PC? thought so" while assuming that the Pc has no games. Same old, same old.

Hanass

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Just like any other PC vs console thread, intelligent people will agree that PC has more value, so it's more expensive, and the fanboys will just yell "lulz PC haz no gamez, PC sux, lulz" or "can i pleh MGS4 or halo3 on teh PC? thought so" while assuming that the Pc has no games. Same old, same old.

anshul89

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

It isn't cheaper if you don't have a starting point (i.e. an already extant desktop in your home). Building a PC from the ground up (especially a gaming PC, designed to run games very nicely) is quite a bit more expensive than what it would cost to buy a Wii, 360 or PS3. I would love someone to show me how to build a PC that can max Crysis, STALKER: Clear Sky and Mass Effect 2 for no more than $300... and have it include a monitor, mouse, keyboard, DVD/R-ROM and tower.

DJ_Headshot

heres a pick of that pc build i'll try to build one now see how cheap i can get within what i consider acceptable standards.

LMAO "pirate the OS" yea im sure that helps make it cheaper hell its alot cheaper if we just pirate all the games to. :roll:

[QUOTE="anshul89"]

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

Just like any other PC vs console thread, intelligent people will agree that PC has more value, so it's more expensive, and the fanboys will just yell "lulz PC haz no gamez, PC sux, lulz" or "can i pleh MGS4 or halo3 on teh PC? thought so" while assuming that the Pc has no games. Same old, same old.

lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="anshul89"]Very true. Console gamers don't know what they're missing out on !

The_Quarian

I play both , the fact is pc gaming has its advantages and disadvantages but being cheaper is not one of its advantages sorry.

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

It isn't cheaper if you don't have a starting point (i.e. an already extant desktop in your home). Building a PC from the ground up (especially a gaming PC, designed to run games very nicely) is quite a bit more expensive than what it would cost to buy a Wii, 360 or PS3. I would love someone to show me how to build a PC that can max Crysis, STALKER: Clear Sky and Mass Effect 2 for no more than $300... and have it include a monitor, mouse, keyboard, DVD/R-ROM and tower.

TheSterls

heres a pick of that pc build i'll try to build one now see how cheap i can get within what i consider acceptable standards.

LMAO "pirate the OS" yea im sure that helps make it cheaper hell its alot cheaper if we just pirate all the games to. :roll:

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

It isn't cheaper if you don't have a starting point (i.e. an already extant desktop in your home). Building a PC from the ground up (especially a gaming PC, designed to run games very nicely) is quite a bit more expensive than what it would cost to buy a Wii, 360 or PS3. I would love someone to show me how to build a PC that can max Crysis, STALKER: Clear Sky and Mass Effect 2 for no more than $300... and have it include a monitor, mouse, keyboard, DVD/R-ROM and tower.

TheSterls

heres a pick of that pc build i'll try to build one now see how cheap i can get within what i consider acceptable standards.

LMAO "pirate the OS" yea im sure that helps make it cheaper hell its alot cheaper if we just pirate all the games to. :roll:

who said anything about pirating games? i like supporting game devlopers so i buy my games. I couldn't careless about a multi-billion dollar company cause we all know billgates needs more money to roll around in.