Why do people think that Nintendo abandoned their fanbase in favor of casuals?

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="-NYBoricua-"]

Because every other game besides you listed is garbage teenage girl/grandparent games. I'm not even going to bother naming them.

Now i'm not saying its a legit reason, but its easy to see why people think that when the number of those games overwhelm the number of the "hardcore" titles.

sexy_chimp

So 4 casual games overwhelms 8 hardcore games?

Someone needs to go back to second grade.

I would not qualify a single title nintendo makes has hardcore.

I have not thought of Zelda as hardcore in 10 years, even though I still like Zelda, its just Zelda...again... and again.... now you move your controler around.... and its still zelda.

The biggest reason for me though is this.

Online gaming. I want to play games online and yes that includes online fps. Most "hardcore" gamers do. Not all for sure but a lot. Nintendo as totally ignored online games as though they dont exist.

Sure they are puting some of the new titles online like SSB. But SSB, while I am sure its awsome game for fans, is not what I am looking for in terms of good online gaming.

Also, the power if the Wii is a dissapointment.

This generation, even next generation hardware, will not be enouph to produce the types of games I dream about.

Nintendo and I have a differant idea of whats important to gameplay. They created a cheap motion sensor to play the same old games the same old way. Push a button or flick your wrist, its still just zelda.

So your idea of a hardcore game is an online game with good graphics.

This is what is destroying gaming, not Nintendo.

what a total ass of a thing to say.

I never implied that you arejust another nintendo fanboy who gets way to worked about it when someone says they dont like nintendo.

First and foremost a more powerfull machine does a lot more then just improve visuals. Thats the least important thing more advanced hardware will do.

Seriously get over yourself.

If you guys were so certain that nintendo is what you say they are, you wouldnt let the critics of the machine get to you so much.

Great statement. All those who cant see the "facts".

I thought theGC was a casual oriented machine as well. I grew up with Nintendo's around. One of the first games I ever really liked was Zelda.

But becouse I dont agree with nintendo fans now that nintendo is still a great game maker I must be a liar right?

Well sorry fanboys I dont think the wii is a great game machine.

Coyo7e

You're missing the point completely. This thread isn't about the Wii being a good console or a bad one. Its about Nintendo still catoring to their "Core" Nintendo fan and not abandoning them. In which they do by looking at the games they've released at this point in time compared to the Gamecube at this time.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

And some people think the 360 is horrible. Does that make it a worldwide consensus?Donkey_Puncher

Red Herring, get back on track.

Your saying that since 100's (Which out of the 12 million Wii owners is nothing) of people complaining represents how everyone feels about the Wii.

I would imagine it has something to do with the fact that they completely compromised their hardware for the sake of of casual gamers as well as their profit margins. Teufelhuhn

technically they are the only console that has remained close to what consoles generally cost at launch. i'd say the other 2 went overboard trying to be like pc.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Why not include that Silicon Knights game, when Nintendo funded the development for the game? Nintendo felt with that title that it would be worth giving SK the money to create the title. It is because of them that Eternal Darkness was released on the Gamecube. Nintendo funding that game showed that they wanted games like it on their console. I haven't seen them do anything similar on the Wii.

The reason I included Metroid Prime (and Big Brain Academy) was because bringing a franchise to 3D is almost like creating it anew. There is risk involved, as one cannot be sure if the title will translate to the third dimension. It's a bit of a stretch, and if it makes you feel better, it could be removed and it wouldn't significantly impact my argument (though it would dent it a bit). Big Brain Academy would have to go too.

Blackbond

I was really just focusing on Nintendo and what how they are taking care of the core Nintendo fanbase that's all. The point is to show that Nintendo hasn't abandoned their "CORE" audience.

Nintendo hasn't abandoned their core audience, and I don't think they will ever completely leave them. But they are moving away from that audience. I guess Eternal Darkness doesn't really fit in there, though, because it isn't really made for the 'core', but for the hardcore. But in a way, it does. Rare's games weren't made by Nintendo, but Nintendo helped them exist, and they were part of that core. I guess SK is similar.

My sense is that while Nintendo still has a vast store of old IPs that it can continue to deliver to satisfy the core, its new IPs aren't meant for the core, but for the non-gaming sector that is so key to their 'Blue Ocean' strategy. They are much more keen on facilitating that expansion than building new platforms to provide different experiences for the core. It makes more sense from a business standpoint (I can't blame them for it), but it disappoints me a bit as someone who isn't quite Nintendo core, but who enjoys their core games.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

And some people think the 360 is horrible. Does that make it a worldwide consensus?sexy_chimp

Red Herring, get back on track.

Your saying that since 100's (Which out of the 12 million Wii owners is nothing) of people complaining represents how everyone feels about the Wii.

This thread isn't about the 12 million Wii owners, it's about Nintendo's past fans being turned away. Like I said, get back on track.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

Great statement. All those who cant see the "facts".

I thought theGC was a casual oriented machine as well. I grew up with Nintendo's around. One of the first games I ever really liked was Zelda.

But becouse I dont agree with nintendo fans now that nintendo is still a great game maker I must be a liar right?

Well sorry fanboys I dont think the wii is a great game machine.

Blackbond

You're missing the point completely. This thread isn't about the Wii being a good console or a bad one. Its about Nintendo still catoring to their "Core" Nintendo fan and not abandoning them. In which they do by looking at the games they've released at this point in time compared to the Gamecube at this time.

Well sorry I dont have much respect for Nintendo's "core" audience.

I honestly dont think you guys would get worked up about anything as long as nintendo keeps doing whats its been doing.

More mario andZelda and games, and titles that live off old characerters. Most the gameplay isnt new either. Push a button or flick your wrist, its still zelda and plays like a zelda.

Thats fine. Just dont call everyone who says they dont like nintendo a fakeboy.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

And some people think the 360 is horrible. Does that make it a worldwide consensus?Donkey_Puncher

Red Herring, get back on track.

Your saying that since 100's (Which out of the 12 million Wii owners is nothing) of people complaining represents how everyone feels about the Wii.

This thread isn't about the 12 million Wii owners, it's about Nintendo's past fans being turned away. Like I said, get back on track.

Well, just know that gaming forums don't represent the entire world. 95% of console owners are casual (Meaning they still play games like Zelda and Halo, but they don't hang out on gaming forums) and really don't care.

We were supposed to get better third party support fron Nintendo this year and we aren't.manningbowl135

Zack and Wiki say "Hello!".

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Why not include that Silicon Knights game, when Nintendo funded the development for the game? Nintendo felt with that title that it would be worth giving SK the money to create the title. It is because of them that Eternal Darkness was released on the Gamecube. Nintendo funding that game showed that they wanted games like it on their console. I haven't seen them do anything similar on the Wii.

The reason I included Metroid Prime (and Big Brain Academy) was because bringing a franchise to 3D is almost like creating it anew. There is risk involved, as one cannot be sure if the title will translate to the third dimension. It's a bit of a stretch, and if it makes you feel better, it could be removed and it wouldn't significantly impact my argument (though it would dent it a bit). Big Brain Academy would have to go too.

sonicmj1

I was really just focusing on Nintendo and what how they are taking care of the core Nintendo fanbase that's all. The point is to show that Nintendo hasn't abandoned their "CORE" audience.

Nintendo hasn't abandoned their core audience, and I don't think they will ever completely leave them. But they are moving away from that audience. I guess Eternal Darkness doesn't really fit in there, though, because it isn't really made for the 'core', but for the hardcore. But in a way, it does. Rare's games weren't made by Nintendo, but Nintendo helped them exist, and they were part of that core. I guess SK is similar.

My sense is that while Nintendo still has a vast store of old IPs that it can continue to deliver to satisfy the core, its new IPs aren't meant for the core, but for the non-gaming sector that is so key to their 'Blue Ocean' strategy. They are much more keen on facilitating that expansion than building new platforms to provide different experiences for the core. It makes more sense from a business standpoint (I can't blame them for it), but it disappoints me a bit as someone who isn't quite Nintendo core, but who enjoys their core games.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]We were supposed to get better third party support fron Nintendo this year and we aren't.Technoweirdo

Zack and Wiki say "Hello!".

I am sure its a good game... well I am not sure I have only seen the reviews witch say its a good game I have never played it.

But I wouldnt call that game out as great, or even good, third party support.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

100's of game message boards? Go ahead and link us to some. You don't have to do all of them but go ahead and show us some.Donkey_Puncher

You can search for yourself, I'm not hear to change any minds, I merely voiced my opinion. And as a long time NINTENDO fan, I find it appauling that every time they're criticized they're branded fanboy's. If you post anywhere else, you'd realize Gamespot isn't that different than most other boards.

I'm proof enought that some Nintendo fans seem abandoned, as are the other supposed "Fanboys" in here saying the same thing. Call them fanboys if you want, but some people really feel that way.

I'm not doing your research for you. If you say something tehn you damn well better prove it. If you're not gonna prove it then don't even bother to type it. Hell context with evidence is irrelevent take your crap else where my threads are a place where facts run the show. Come back later when you have them.

I don't care if they are Pro or Con against or for my thread but do not make statements without backing them.

Well, just know that gaming forums don't represent the entire world. 95% of console owners are casual (Meaning they still play games like Zelda and Halo, but they don't hang out on gaming forums) and really don't care. sexy_chimp

Ok.

And this has what to do about Nintendo Alienating some of their fans?

Haven't you heard Blackbond? Taking franchises on another platform and dumbing their core gameplay down in favor of pretty graphics and cool special effects is far more hardcore.

See: Rainbow Six, Call of Duty, The Elder Scrolls, and soon Fallout.

As for the "casual marketing" that has to be the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. I mean who does SONY and Microsoft market to? High Schoolers and College Kids? What's wrong with targetting an even older audience? I mean didn't it use to be "the older the better?" I mean I remember SEGA fanboys claimed that the Genesis was "cooler" then the SNES since it was advertised for 15 year olds instead of 10 year olds.

More mario andZelda and games, and titles that live off old characerters. Most the gameplay isnt new either. Push a button or flick your wrist, its still zelda and plays like a zelda.

Coyo7e

you're talking in a generation which the biggest most hyped exclusives for each console will be sequels. and not even the sequel of their series. we can say this about all the console companies. nintendo has just been out longer and has built up more franchises.

I'm not doing your research for you. If you say something tehn you damn well better prove it. If you're not gonna prove it then don't even bother to type it. Hell context with evidence is irrelevent take your crap else where my threads are a place where facts run the show. Come back later when you have them.

I don't care if they are Pro or Con against or for my thread but do not make statements without backing them.

Blackbond

Look around these forums. Oh that's right, every time an issue comes up with Nintendo they're sand blasted as fanboys. How many times have you heard arguments about this very subject here?

I'm not going to search for particular threads onother sites, if you posted anywhere else you would have run into them already kiddo.

You can continue to keep your head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist if you want to.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]We were supposed to get better third party support fron Nintendo this year and we aren't.Technoweirdo

Zack and Wiki say "Hello!".

Mass Effect, Bioshock, CoD4, Assassin's Creed, RE5, World in Conflict, GTA IV, Fallout III...and many more.

That is 3rd party support. Zack and Wiki is probably a good game, but that is the kind of 3rd party support a best selling console should have.

Well sorry I dont have much respect for Nintendo's "core" audience.

Thats fine. Just dont call everyone who says they dont like nintendo a fakeboy.

Coyo7e

Real big guy. Claiming to not respect a bunch of people he's never met in his life and that have also done nothing to impact his own. I didn't call people who don't like Nintendo fanboys. I call people who don't look at the facts and think negitively upon an issue while not looking at the facts fanboys.

[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]We were supposed to get better third party support fron Nintendo this year and we aren't.Coyo7e

Zack and Wiki say "Hello!".

I am sure its a good game... well I am not sure I have only seen the reviews witch say its a good game I have never played it.

But I wouldnt call that game out as great, or even good, third party support.

Note that manningbowl135 only said "better third party support". The Gamecube had almost non-existant third party support. The Wii is getting better third party support, proven by Zack and Wiki.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

More mario andZelda and games, and titles that live off old characerters. Most the gameplay isnt new either. Push a button or flick your wrist, its still zelda and plays like a zelda.

Ontain

you're talking in a generation which the biggest most hyped exclusives for each console will be sequels. and not even the sequel of their series. we can say this about all the console companies. nintendo has just been out longer and has built up more franchises.

Yeah, but atleast in past generations they had better 3rd party support. Example: The N64 had Turok 1/2, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, ect. The GC atleast had games like RE4 and Eternal Darkness.

What big hitters does the Wii have that aren't Nintendo 1st party games?

The Xbox 360, PC, and PS3 have 3rd party support, and a great number of new IP's.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

Well, just know that gaming forums don't represent the entire world. 95% of console owners are casual (Meaning they still play games like Zelda and Halo, but they don't hang out on gaming forums) and really don't care. Donkey_Puncher

Ok.

And this has what to do about Nintendo Alienating some of their fans?

Only a few people think that Nintendo has abandoned them, the rest are fanboys trying to bash the Wii.

That's what it has to do with it.

Yeah, but atleast in past generations they had better 3rd party support. Example: The N64 had Turok 1/2, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, ect. The GC atleast had games like RE4 and Eternal Darkness.

What big hitters does the Wii have that aren't Nintendo 1st party games?Donkey_Puncher

This post is ridiculous. Not only were many of those games are second party, but also they came out WAY later in the life cycle. RE4 came out in 2004 for Chirst sake. And so far the Wii has Trauma Center: New Blood, Zack and Wiki, and Monster Hunter 3.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

More mario andZelda and games, and titles that live off old characerters. Most the gameplay isnt new either. Push a button or flick your wrist, its still zelda and plays like a zelda.

Donkey_Puncher

you're talking in a generation which the biggest most hyped exclusives for each console will be sequels. and not even the sequel of their series. we can say this about all the console companies. nintendo has just been out longer and has built up more franchises.

Yeah, but atleast in past generations they had better 3rd party support. Example: The N64 had Turok 1/2, ect. The GC atleast had games like RE4 and Eternal Darkness.

What big hitters does the Wii have that aren't Nintendo 1st party games?

The Xbox 360, PC, and PS3 have 3rd party support, and a great number of new IP's.

Fixed your N64 list, Rare was second party, so there goes 90% of third party support.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

More mario andZelda and games, and titles that live off old characerters. Most the gameplay isnt new either. Push a button or flick your wrist, its still zelda and plays like a zelda.

Ontain

you're talking in a generation which the biggest most hyped exclusives for each console will be sequels. and not even the sequel of their series. we can say this about all the console companies. nintendo has just been out longer and has built up more franchises.

I dont think the other consoles are kicking a ton of ass right now either so......

And while Halo 3 was a decent game dont call out games on their third installment and end of a trilogy (in witch MC DIES) the same as nintendo releasing the same gameplay to us over and over.

The ps3 is still short on games but there are still more original IP's coming to it then the wii.

The 360 has recieved a lot of original IP's although most of them arent very good with a few very notable exceptions, like Dead Rising and other games by capcom.

The games the wii has and will be coming to the wii in the near future that I want to play arent even sequals, they are ports.

RE 4 and Okami interesrt me the most.

Only a few people think that Nintendo has abandoned them, the rest are fanboys trying to bash the Wii.

That's what it has to do with it.

sexy_chimp

So bashing the Wii for reasons that many see as legit are fanboyish now?

Is Nintendo exempt for criticism now?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I'm not doing your research for you. If you say something tehn you damn well better prove it. If you're not gonna prove it then don't even bother to type it. Hell context with evidence is irrelevent take your crap else where my threads are a place where facts run the show. Come back later when you have them.

I don't care if they are Pro or Con against or for my thread but do not make statements without backing them.

Donkey_Puncher

Look around these forums. Oh that's right, every time an issue comes up with Nintendo they're sand blasted as fanboys. How many times have you heard arguments about this very subject here?

I'm not going to search for particular threads onother sites, if you posted anywhere else you would have run into them already kiddo.

You can continue to keep your head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist if you want to.

We are on SW the vast majority of the posters here are fanboys. The vast majority of rants on this site are unjustified fanboy rants without basis or facts. You want proof just glance right at the frontpage of my blog.

Like I said if you don't want to provide evidence then just leave. My threads aren't for blanket statements. You come with facts or you come with nothing at all. I don't care for your opinions. The facts are listed on the OP on Page 1. Dispute the evidence and stop dodging the issue with yoru personal feelings.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Yeah, but atleast in past generations they had better 3rd party support. Example: The N64 had Turok 1/2, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, ect. The GC atleast had games like RE4 and Eternal Darkness.

What big hitters does the Wii have that aren't Nintendo 1st party games?Gunraidan

This post is ridiculous. Not only were many of those games are second party, but also they came out WAY later in the life cycle. RE4 came out in 2004 for Chirst sake. And so far the Wii has Trauma Center: New Blood, Zack and Wiki, and Monster Hunter 3.

Well actually, Resident Evil 4's story took place in 2004. :P It got delayed to early 2005. :evil:

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

Only a few people think that Nintendo has abandoned them, the rest are fanboys trying to bash the Wii.

That's what it has to do with it.

Donkey_Puncher

So bashing the Wii for reasons that many see as legit are fanboyish now?

Is Nintendo exempt for criticism now?

According to this post, it's not a legit reason. Therefore its fanboyish.

It's a fact that they only care about kids and grandmas. Only a sheep in denial would say otherwise.dracula_16

Yeah Metroid Prime 3 Corruption is for Grandma's :lol:

Fixed your N64 list, Rare was second party, so there goes 90% of third party support.sexy_chimp

Irrelevant, they were not 1st party Nintendo franchises. Is there anything on the Wii that looks to be the new Goldeneye or Perfect Dark? NO. Why not?

The Wii's only saving grace is it's 1st party games.

I agree with the poster that said "Nintendo didn't change, the gamers changed". You can look at the Wii two ways, either Nintendo left "core" gamers behind or "core" gamers left Nintendo behind. One of Nintendo's strongest assets has always been the ability to produce top quality games, That hasn't changed. SPM, Metriod 3, Zelda, Wii Sports, even Wario Ware are very solid games. Unfortunately, for these "core gamers" that's not enough, they aren't online, they aren't mature, they aren't in HD.

Odd that I enjoyed gaming for so long without any of those things, and I still do.

Nintendo Games in Gamecube's (2nd Holiday Season)

1. Super Smash Brother's Melee
2. Luigi's Mansion
3. Wave Race
4. Pikman
5. Super Mario Sunshine
6. Animal Crossing
7. Metroid Prime
8. Mario Party 4

Nintendo Games in Wii's (2nd Holiday Season)

1. Zelda Twilight Princess
2. Wario Ware
3. Wii Sports
4. Excite Truck
5. Super Paper Mario
6. Metroid Prime 3 Corruption
7. Mario Strikers Charged
8. Big Brain Acedemy Wii Degree
9. Mario Party 8
10. Fire Emblem Radient Dawn
11. Super Mario Galaxy
12. Battallion Wars

I am not understanding what people are saying that Nintendo has abandoned their own core Nintendo fanbase because they seem to be giving them more then what they had at the beginign of the Gamecube's life cycle. Sure they are catoring to the casual fanbase and non gamer crowd but they are still taking care of their own. Granted Super Smash Brothers Brawl was delayed they still have more Nintendo Audience Targeted games out then the Gamecube had at this time. So where is this Nintendo has abandoned its fanbase come from?

Blackbond

Good move by them. Sony controls most of the existing OLD console market with the ps2. Wii is actually expanding the gaming market by bring new people to the market.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

Only a few people think that Nintendo has abandoned them, the rest are fanboys trying to bash the Wii.

That's what it has to do with it.

Donkey_Puncher

So bashing the Wii for reasons that many see as legit are fanboyish now?

Is Nintendo exempt for criticism now?

No Nintendo isn't exempt from Criticism but this criticism as I stated in the OP is unjustified. This has nothing to do Wii being a good or bad console but the fact remains to say that Nintendo has abandonded the "Core" Nintendo fan is a lie. They have done more with "Their" games at this point in time then they did for Gamecube at this point and time.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

More mario andZelda and games, and titles that live off old characerters. Most the gameplay isnt new either. Push a button or flick your wrist, its still zelda and plays like a zelda.

sexy_chimp

you're talking in a generation which the biggest most hyped exclusives for each console will be sequels. and not even the sequel of their series. we can say this about all the console companies. nintendo has just been out longer and has built up more franchises.

Yeah, but atleast in past generations they had better 3rd party support. Example: The N64 had Turok 1/2, ect. The GC atleast had games like RE4 and Tales of Symphonia.

What big hitters does the Wii have that aren't Nintendo 1st party games?

The Xbox 360, PC, and PS3 have 3rd party support, and a great number of new IP's.

Fixed your N64 list, Rare was second party, so there goes 90% of third party support.

Fixed your Gamecube list, Silicon Knights was second party.

Wii has Trauma Center, Zack and Wiki, and No More Heroes. That isn't world-beating (and it isn't quite good enough for me), but it's leagues ahead of the 'support' Nintendo got on the N64.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]It's a fact that they only care about kids and grandmas. Only a sheep in denial would say otherwise.Blackbond

Yeah Metroid Prime 3 Corruption is for Grandma's :lol:

It's not a laughing matter.

That game was casualized with less back tracking, multiple difficulty levels.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I'm not doing your research for you. If you say something tehn you damn well better prove it. If you're not gonna prove it then don't even bother to type it. Hell context with evidence is irrelevent take your crap else where my threads are a place where facts run the show. Come back later when you have them.

I don't care if they are Pro or Con against or for my thread but do not make statements without backing them.

Blackbond

Look around these forums. Oh that's right, every time an issue comes up with Nintendo they're sand blasted as fanboys. How many times have you heard arguments about this very subject here?

I'm not going to search for particular threads onother sites, if you posted anywhere else you would have run into them already kiddo.

You can continue to keep your head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist if you want to.

We are on SW the vast majority of the posters here are fanboys. The vast majority of rants on this site are unjustified fanboy rants without basis or facts. You want proof just glance right at the frontpage of my blog.

Like I said if you don't want to provide evidence then just leave. My threads aren't for blanket statements. You come with facts or you come with nothing at all. I don't care for your opinions. The facts are listed on the OP on Page 1. Dispute the evidence and stop dodging the issue with yoru personal feelings.

Get over yourself.

The "facts" you present or so open to debate.

You take your own opinion in to high of a regard learn to deal with opposing views.

Witch is what your thread is all about. There is no "fact" when it comes to deciding if nintendo has abandoned their core player.

Each person will have their own opinion of it and some happen to be long time nintendo fans who feel like nintendo isnt moving anything forward.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]It's a fact that they only care about kids and grandmas. Only a sheep in denial would say otherwise.dracula_16

Yeah Metroid Prime 3 Corruption is for Grandma's :lol:

It's not a laughing matter.

That game was casualized with less back tracking, multiple difficulty levels.

And it didnt sell well at all on a platform with a large installed base.

That says something even though nintendo fans love to point out large system sales and ingore poor software sales.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]It's a fact that they only care about kids and grandmas. Only a sheep in denial would say otherwise.dracula_16

Yeah Metroid Prime 3 Corruption is for Grandma's :lol:

It's not a laughing matter.

That game was casualized with less back tracking, multiple difficulty levels.

Backtracking pissed me off the first 2 games, and you can always chose the hardest difficulty.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]It's a fact that they only care about kids and grandmas. Only a sheep in denial would say otherwise.Coyo7e

Yeah Metroid Prime 3 Corruption is for Grandma's :lol:

It's not a laughing matter.

That game was casualized with less back tracking, multiple difficulty levels.

And it didnt sell well at all on a platform with a large installed base.

That says something even though nintendo fans love to point out large system sales and ingore poor software sales.

Link to MP3: C's sales?

No Nintendo isn't exempt from Criticism but this criticism as I stated in the OP is unjustified. This has nothing to do Wii being a good or bad console but the fact remains to say that Nintendo has abandonded the "Core" Nintendo fan is a lie. They have done more with "Their" games at this point in time then they did for Gamecube at this point and time.Blackbond

How about them charging 250 dollars for hardware seen more than 5 years ago?

What about their severe lack of greatnon-1st party games?

Good post, except that a big part of people's problem with nintendo is that they are dumbing down their games, to make them less skill-based. You can look at the Wiimote, with its lack of crisp control, or at the difficulty levels which have been scaled down to appeal to non-gamers. that's a bid part of why Nintendo is getting such a bad rap. Nintendo hasn't really been going after its traditional demographic as much, so they feel cheated.

osirisomeomi

Never played Zelda or Metroid have you? Because Twilight Princess requries more skill with the bow and arrow, while Prime 3 has enabled straffing (REAL straffing) and new motions to master.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]It's a fact that they only care about kids and grandmas. Only a sheep in denial would say otherwise.dracula_16

Yeah Metroid Prime 3 Corruption is for Grandma's :lol:

It's not a laughing matter.

That game was casualized with less back tracking, multiple difficulty levels.

That's because everyone complained about back tracking, and every Metroid game in existance has had more than one difficulty level.

It's not a laughing matter.

That game was casualized with less back tracking, multiple difficulty levels.

dracula_16

Obviously you haven't played it, there was just as much backtracking in Prime 3 and in Prime 1. And Prime 2 was just a horrible broken entry to the series. And how is adding "hard" mode to a game "casualized"? Also I doubt someone with a Bioshock avatar (the supposed System Shock spiritual sequel) should be lecturing someone of this matter.

[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]

Good post, except that a big part of people's problem with nintendo is that they are dumbing down their games, to make them less skill-based. You can look at the Wiimote, with its lack of crisp control, or at the difficulty levels which have been scaled down to appeal to non-gamers. that's a bid part of why Nintendo is getting such a bad rap. Nintendo hasn't really been going after its traditional demographic as much, so they feel cheated.

Gunraidan

Never played Zelda or Metroid have you? Because Twilight Princess requries more skill with the bow and arrow, while Prime 3 has enabled straffing (REAL straffing) and new motions to master.

You are both correct and flawed at the same time.

Name a 3rd party game that lives up to those standards, without blurting out the port of RE 4.

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Good post, except that a big part of people's problem with nintendo is that they are dumbing down their games, to make them less skill-based. You can look at the Wiimote, with its lack of crisp control, or at the difficulty levels which have been scaled down to appeal to non-gamers. that's a bid part of why Nintendo is getting such a bad rap. Nintendo hasn't really been going after its traditional demographic as much, so they feel cheated.

Coyo7e

Never played Zelda or Metroid have you? Because Twilight Princess requries more skill with the bow and arrow, while Prime 3 has enabled straffing (REAL straffing) and new motions to master.

You are both correct and flawed at the same time.

Name a 3rd party game that lives up to those standards, without blurting out the port of RE 4.

Why the hell are we talking about 3rd party games?

This isn't about the Wii having the best or worst games, this is about Nintendo still supplying the Wii with good "hardcore" games.

You are both correct and flawed at the same time.

Name a 3rd party game that lives up to those standards, without blurting out the port of RE 4.

Coyo7e

Trauma Center.

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It's not a laughing matter.

That game was casualized with less back tracking, multiple difficulty levels.

Gunraidan

Obviously you haven't played it.

Why would I play something that I'm not interested in?I take Gamespot's word for it because they have saved me hundreds of dollars in the past. I have only disagreed with them once or twice.

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I'm not doing your research for you. If you say something tehn you damn well better prove it. If you're not gonna prove it then don't even bother to type it. Hell context with evidence is irrelevent take your crap else where my threads are a place where facts run the show. Come back later when you have them.

I don't care if they are Pro or Con against or for my thread but do not make statements without backing them.

Coyo7e

Look around these forums. Oh that's right, every time an issue comes up with Nintendo they're sand blasted as fanboys. How many times have you heard arguments about this very subject here?

I'm not going to search for particular threads onother sites, if you posted anywhere else you would have run into them already kiddo.

You can continue to keep your head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist if you want to.

We are on SW the vast majority of the posters here are fanboys. The vast majority of rants on this site are unjustified fanboy rants without basis or facts. You want proof just glance right at the frontpage of my blog.

Like I said if you don't want to provide evidence then just leave. My threads aren't for blanket statements. You come with facts or you come with nothing at all. I don't care for your opinions. The facts are listed on the OP on Page 1. Dispute the evidence and stop dodging the issue with yoru personal feelings.

Get over yourself.

The "facts" you present or so open to debate.

You take your own opinion in to high of a regard learn to deal with opposing views.

Witch is what your thread is all about. There is no "fact" when it comes to deciding if nintendo has abandoned their core player.

Each person will have their own opinion of it and some happen to be long time nintendo fans who feel like nintendo isnt moving anything forward.

How are my facts open to debate? Nintendo has offered more to the "Core" Nintendo fan right now then what they did at this point and time with the Gamecube. Its a fact, look at the Games listed and stop living in denial. The "Core" Nintendo fan has always liked "Nintendo games and Nintendo is offering more of "THEIR" games at this point in time for the Wii then the Gamecube at the same point in its life cycle.

Me get over myself? You stop living in denial. Accept the truth.