Why do people think that Nintendo abandoned their fanbase in favor of casuals?

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

well it depends on a well made game doesnt it?

By not having the power to do cuting edge gameplay, nintendo automaticly cuts out a major portion of what current gen games are doing.

But please, tell me how the physics in HL 2 did not directly translate into gameplay?

Ontain

HL2 has the best use of physics in an fps game that i've ever played. but it's also one of the fps's of modern days that has the lowest system requirements. even on the lowest settings the physics are the same. only the graphics are less. doesn't that hurt your argument?

Not to mention the physics for the game don't change whether I have it on HIGH Settings or LOW Settings. Imagine that :shock:

The wii has enouph power to run a 3 year old game. SOurce can be done reasonably well on the wii.

But I expect games to take interactivity and physics to a much higher level before this generation is over, a level on witch we all know the wii doesnt have a dream of achieving.

There are no settings for the physics of the game. Hmmm maybe thats not true, I seem to recall a game where I could adjust the level of physics detail but cant recall if it was HL2. But regardless, when it came out source was making use of current gen tech to create a physics model that effected gameplay.

honestly source type graphics are fine. the interactivity is fine too. both are higher than 99% of games i saw for consoles last gen.

and no HL2 didn't have a physics detail. Fear did but Fear didn't even use physics as part of it's game play. just to make things look cooler.

I still like half life 2 but it is starting to show its age. As I was playing through it again with the release of the orange box and the thing that annoyed me most was the enemy AI for the soldiers. It was really crappy and they are way to easy to defeat.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

1. You are a true fanboy though. You are such a "core" nintendo fan
2. I really dont think you have played enouph games (certainly not PC games) to have a quality opinion.
3. This is why I hate nintendo. There are a lot of real gamers that love their wii and could argue its pro's better then you. But just becouse you are a "core" nintendo fan does not make you a gamer.

You are the red headed step child of the gaming world get used to it.

Blackbond

1) Yes I admit it I'm a "Core" Nintendo fan :roll:

2) Yes I don't play enough games I don't play many games at all

3) This is why you hate Nintendo?

Hating a video game company proves that YOU'RE the fanboy. How the hell can you hate a video game company lol. That is just silly. Sure you could say you dislike something but to say you "HATE" Nintendo is freely and openly admitting your are a fanboy.

Oh and nice little insult at the end. You sure are grown now.

A big pile of consoles proves my point.

THree of witch were nintendos, a DC and a ps1.

It seems you had an xbox although I didnt see one in the picture.

Any hardcore gamer over the age of 25 will eventually become a PC gamer.

From the appreance of your room I dont think you are much older then 16.

A big pile of consoles proves my point.

THree if witch were nintendos, a DC and a ps1.

Coyo7e

And he has a load of Xbox and PS2 games. :|

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

1. You are a true fanboy though. You are such a "core" nintendo fan
2. I really dont think you have played enouph games (certainly not PC games) to have a quality opinion.
3. This is why I hate nintendo. There are a lot of real gamers that love their wii and could argue its pro's better then you. But just becouse you are a "core" nintendo fan does not make you a gamer.

You are the red headed step child of the gaming world get used to it.

Coyo7e

1) Yes I admit it I'm a "Core" Nintendo fan :roll:

2) Yes I don't play enough games I don't play many games at all

3) This is why you hate Nintendo?

Hating a video game company proves that YOU'RE the fanboy. How the hell can you hate a video game company lol. That is just silly. Sure you could say you dislike something but to say you "HATE" Nintendo is freely and openly admitting your are a fanboy.

Oh and nice little insult at the end. You sure are grown now.

A big pile of consoles proves my point.

THree of witch were nintendos, a DC and a ps1.

It seems you had an xbox although I didnt see one in the picture.

Any hardcore gamer over the age of 25 will eventually become a PC gamer.

From the appreance of your room I dont think you are much older then 16.

Do you want pictures of the NES, Genesis too? Here's the 360 picture

You'll have to give me time for the PC and the Xbox original.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

1. You are a true fanboy though. You are such a "core" nintendo fan
2. I really dont think you have played enouph games (certainly not PC games) to have a quality opinion.
3. This is why I hate nintendo. There are a lot of real gamers that love their wii and could argue its pro's better then you. But just becouse you are a "core" nintendo fan does not make you a gamer.

You are the red headed step child of the gaming world get used to it.

Blackbond

1) Yes I admit it I'm a "Core" Nintendo fan :roll:

2) Yes I don't play enough games I don't play many games at all

3) This is why you hate Nintendo?

Hating a video game company proves that YOU'RE the fanboy. How the hell can you hate a video game company lol. That is just silly. Sure you could say you dislike something but to say you "HATE" Nintendo is freely and openly admitting your are a fanboy.

Oh and nice little insult at the end. You sure are grown now.

A big pile of consoles proves my point.

THree of witch were nintendos, a DC and a ps1.

It seems you had an xbox although I didnt see one in the picture.

Any hardcore gamer over the age of 25 will eventually become a PC gamer.

From the appreance of your room I dont think you are much older then 16.

Do you want pictures of the NES, Genesis too? Here's the 360 picture

You'll have to give me time for the PC and the Xbox original.

Consoles are cool and fun to have. I have them.

But I can tell by your room we have 0 in common so lets finish this.

I am sure are a bright kid and a real gamer. There I said it. You argue your points and I except your opinion I just totally disagree with you.

But dont expect me to take to much stock into what you say, becouse if you arent 16 your room makes me think you have the brain of 16 year old... witch if thats the case you have not even been alive long enouph to have as much gaming expierience as someone twice your age.

All the teenagers will cry foul but imagine trying to have a debate with an 8 year old about games. Ya they can teach you a thing or two about games probably, but there is no point in arguing the finer points to someone who was not even a twinkle in their fathers eye when you owned and wer playing your first console.

A big pile of consoles proves my point.

THree of witch were nintendos, a DC and a ps1.

It seems you had an xbox although I didnt see one in the picture.

Any hardcore gamer over the age of 25 will eventually become a PC gamer.

From the appreance of your room I dont think you are much older then 16.

Coyo7e

Oh and regardless of which. My library is larger and more diversified then yours. So its about time you shut up. Don't talk about Hardcore either. Do you even play the fighting genre?

ppl are desperate to find something to belittle nintendo's success.Ontain

Yeah you will find that here.

Because people are unwilling to accept Nintendo's success and want to come up with rubbish reasons to make it seem like a bad thing.

Consoles are cool and fun to have. I have them.

But I can tell by your room we have 0 in common so lets finish this.

I am sure are a bright kid and a real gamer. There I said it. You argue your points and I except your opinion I just totally disagree with you.

But dont expect me to take to much stock into what you say, becouse if you arent 16 your room makes me think you have the brain of 16 year old... witch if thats the case you have not even been alive long enouph to have as much gaming expierience as someone twice your age.

All the teenagers will cry foul but imagine trying to have a debate with an 8 year old about games. Ya they can teach you a thing or two about games probably, but there is no point in arguing the finer points to someone who was not even a twinkle in their fathers eye when you owned and wer playing your first console.

Coyo7e

Your insults are so pathetic its sad. I'm a 21 year old Civil Engineering Major at University of Pitt. I don't need to expect you to take stock in what I say because your oblivious to the games around you. If I'm 21 and your twice my age that means your 42 eh? Wow thats fun stuff. You preach about your damn PC all you want. I have games. I have more games, better games, and more diversed games. I don't play for platform I play for games.

Teh only tru l33t gamerz pl4y on teh PC.

Bring teh ph34r and teh b33r.\

If I were a quarter centurian, I'd still be playing on the Wii and the 360. :o

Edit: Also, I'd be playing the PS3 if I had one. And the PC, I would play. And all of my consoles.

Basically, the whole notion of hardcore gamers doing one thing in particular is a ridiculous notion.

Also, hardcore gamers = mysticism.

Also, hardcore gamers = mysticism.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, hardcore gamers = mysticism.Vandalvideo

Where's the mountain dew?

Lets not turn this into a Hardcore vs Casual thread. How this thread deviated from Nintendo Fans to that is beyond me 8)Blackbond

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, hardcore gamers = mysticism.Jandurin

Where's the mountain dew?

omg instant win http://youtube.com/watch?v=eD9U2CM-Y1EVandalvideo

It was awesome to see it animated though, when this came out:lol:

From the appreance of your room I dont think you are much older then 16.

Coyo7e

When you think about this it just isn't the "gamers" who are thinking/implying this it's the gaming sites/magazines/etc.

I can sum this up with 2 games. Metroid Prime 3 and Phantom HourGlass

Metroid Prime 3 - You've heard the claims. "It's less difficult (as in enemies are easy)" "More of a "shooter", less "backtracking". Please anyone who's played the game know that these are all BS. First of with the difficulty. It wasn't "easier" because the fact that the enemies had less HP or worse A.I., but because of the "Phazon Beam" that you had. Second is "it's more like a shooter". This is ridiculous for the sheer fact that Prime 3 has more puzzle solving then any of the previou Primes also it doesn't have ammo or able to choose any beam you want unlike Prime 1. Also you interact with the environment and the objects far more then the previous Prime games. Finally as of backtracking, yes it has less then Prime 2.....but Prime 2 to most people's eyes sucked because it was just a jumbled up inconsistant mess. When compared to Prime 1 it doesn't have too much less, it's just done a different way. You travel to planets instead of running for long periods of time you just fly there which is higly convinant. The amount of times you have to backtrack and find your way out compared to Prime 1 is fairly the same. As of it being "easier" well no crap this is your THIRD Prime game of course you know the formula by now. I'm sure if you go replay Prime 1, it would see like a breeze too.

Phantom HourGlass - This game wasn't really "casualized" but "handheldlized" so to speak. Yes the dungeons are less complicated, but no wonder, I mean do you REALLY want a Twilight Princess one hour long and complex dungeon when you're playing it 10 minutes everyday while you're on the go? Of course not the dungeon shorten complexity was a no brainer, it's similar to how Prime Hunters took away much of its puzzles away since that wasn't fit for a handheld. As for it being easy......seriously Windwaker and Twilight Princess were a breeze to play through how much "easier" could you really get? I don't know about your but I don't think the excessive sailing and the whole "solve the riddle and explore" stylle of gameplay is "casual friendly".

To add on more of it I really don't see the purpose of the press hinting that Nintendo is abandoning casuals by showing Wii Fit instead of Fire Emblem. I mean people complain that Nintendo doesn't advertise their core games enough so they must not care. :lol: WTF? Nintendo has NEVER advertised them to begin with. Super Smash Bros. Melee by my knowledge had barely any marketing whatsoever, Fire Emblem is barely known outside this forum world, Prime 2 was advertised and pushed less then Prime 3, and Pikman 2 was barely even known about in the outside world when released.

I literally have no idea why people are getting their panties in a bunch for Nintendo doing the same thing they've been doing for over 20 years.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, hardcore gamers = mysticism.Vandalvideo

Where's the mountain dew?

what you got my hopes up I wanted the original 8bit D&D

..anyway lets stay on topic, I believe people think Nintendo abandoned the audiance based on the newer IPs we see from nintendo, Games like Brain age and WiiFit and all that crap...

The "brain" games and newly added "Wii ___" games are just two new IPs. Nintendo's known for taking many IPs of theirs and cranking out new games in their first years of success. Remember Pokemon back in the day? Still goes on a bit today, just a little less I believe. Mario still goes strong. DK had his moments a while back. What makes those two any different? A new IP from them called Disaster is another to add to their "core" gamer list. Along with Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, Brawl, and we can be sure a new Zelda game will be in the works (unsure if we'll see anything though) and let's not forget there's more to be heard from next year. However, with this year, we've seen more games focused on NIntendo's userbase than many would like to make others believe. yoshi_64

That's it exactly. It can't be denied that Nintendo is attempting to stretch out into more markets, but people would rather exxagerate that, to show Nintendo in a poor light.