Why do the majority of people prefer gaming on consoles rather than Pc?

It looks tacky, imo. Sorry. Having more devices doesn't make things look less tacky if you have proper furniture.

The average person isn't going to know or be willing to build their own PC. Most people buy premade PCs, and a purchase of two of these would be upwards of $1000, let alone PCs that have the kind of home theatre capabilities that you would need (would they even make one premade)? Regardless of whether you care or not, you are not the person in question. Besides, owning two seperate computers seems like a silly and wasteful idea to me.

Basics of setting up a PC =/= buying a PC for home theatre use.

hakanakumono

I prefer clean looks. I don't have anything hanging on my walls except speakers. No photos. No paintings. No drapes. I hate busy rooms.

And yes, they do sell prebuilt HTPC systems. Shuttle is probably the most well respected.

And there is no person is question. My entry into the topic was when someone mentioned 'PC can't do this and that' and I came in to state otherwise.

And I actually own 12 computers...8 function, I use 4.

Bedroom - Main PC...Gaming/internet/email

Living room - HTPC/Sim gaming (flight sims + that big wall of screen + headtracking = :o )

Office (room in my house) - Business PC. This one is actually on a T1 line and not connected to the rest of my network as it's on a VPN.

Basement - DEFCON. This little linux box acts as my internet gateway. No screen or anything. Anybody hacking into my network will just see a dummy network...that's what this box is for. I think that bastard has been on and running since I moved into this house in 2004. I haven't had to do a thing to it but there's also no moving parts: no fans, no hard drives, no disk drives, just a RAM drive and a USB stick.

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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I mean tacky as in it doesn't look good. I understand tha almost no gamers have a classy set up with their consoles either, but it's much easier to achieve this with a console. In my situation, I couldn't use a PC in that way without it being an absolute mess.

Exactly, but what about the people who can't afford to have two separate computers for living room gaming and office gaming and work stuffs? I understand that PCs can be whatever you want them to be, but they're not typically designed for living room use.

At the end of the day, it's just much easier and requires less knowhow to use a console in that way and that's a plus.

Sailor_Enlil

Doesn't look good? Look at that pic of my living room again. See how clean it is? Know why it looks that clean? Because instead of a TV, a DVD/bluray player, a game console and a stereo I have ONE device.

And it looks like something from a Datacenter. Not a living room.

As for people who can't afford multiple PCs...why should I care? I mean, really? I don't give a flying fart. If they're that poor then a gaming console is going to kill their non-existant bank account. $60+ for a game? $50 a year to play online? $50 for one controller? $2.50 for horse armor? Paying for new maps? Paying for old maps? Paying for a new wallpaper/background?

Ridiculous.

Because a gaming PC can have astronomical costs. Consoles don't (the PS3 slim here can be had for as low as $350; the new Black Nintendo Wii is cheaper still). And not everyone buys tons of games or plays online. Again those types are enthusiast gamers, not common Joe consumers.

And everyone has a PC. If you own a PC, you should learn at least some basic things about it, like how to set it up. It's the same as owning a car: if you know nothing about it and own one, you're hemorrhaging money you don't have to.

Be more specific: Everyone has a PC yes, butnot everyone has a GAMING PC. In fact these days (at least in my locality), the majority of PC's being boughtby most buyersare no longer desktops, but NETBOOKS - extremely cheap low powered laptops/notebooks with many features removed like the DVD drive to drive the cost down (and reduce size and weight to make them more portable); their main use - to surf the internet, mainly in WiFi hotspots (they come with wireless LAN built in), so they're especially designed to be carried around just about anywhere. Definitely not gaming capable, as most don't have the necessary hardware (eg GPU's) for gaming (besides, the display would be much too small anyway, most have a display of just 9" or even less). I have one myself, used mainly for downloading stuff, and it cost a mere $200, and it serves its purpose well. And these days, I see them everywhere, especially shopping malls (eg patrons having lunch at the foodcourtwhile managing their Facebook accounts).

Please don't post in-line, it's annoying and screws up the quoting system.

I've built gaming PCs for $500. Over the life of the system a PC is far cheaper.

You don't need a gaming PC to need to know how to take care of a PC, just like you don't need a Ferrari to need to know how to take care of a car. That's a ridiculous assumption. If you can afford a pre-built PC, you can afford to build your own gaming PC. If you can snap legos together you can build a PC.

And it looks like something from a Datacenter. Not a living room.

I prefer my system not look like a plastic fisher-price 'My First Game Console' toy:

1. Building a PC is not for most people

2. more expensive, arent willing to find good deals

3. Prefer controller

4. more friends with consoles

5. lots of games on console not on PC

6. A lot less noob friendly games on PC

7. Prefer TVs

Hardware is cheaper.

Bigger screen in front of my couch.

I can sit on the couch.

Dont have to sit in front a small screen like a hunchback.

Dont have to worry about the game running on my system(hardware and compatibility)

Controller is not as precise but its more comfy.

lucky_star

Lack of knowledge about pc is a reason and some examples are up there.

Many doesn't know that

1.You can connect your PC to a big screen

2.You can sit on the couch while pc gaming

3.You can use a joypad on some pc games.

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Damn, I guess I haven't been using a PC as a 7.1 stereo system and TV for the past 6 years like I thought. I guess that remote is a figment of my imagination.

br0kenrabbit

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Unlike the PC, the Console is still basically a Set-Top-Box that forms part of a Home Theatre System - one that seamlessly plugs in to other home theatre compoments (TV, Sterero/Receiver, etc). The PC on the other hand, can't truely fulfill that role no matter how hard you make it try to do so. It is still a desktop computer whose primary purpose is PRODUCTIVITY like the Office Computer, and not primarily a home entertainment system (that remains a SECONDARY function for the PC). Conversely, being able to perform PC-like functions on the Consle (eg surfing the internet)is a SECONDARY function for the Console (and besides,recently, Sony took the OS installation ability away from the PS3, so for now it's locked into using the XMB interface).

br0kenrabbit

Damn, I guess I haven't been using a PC as a 7.1 stereo system and TV for the past 6 years like I thought. I guess that remote is a figment of my imagination.

what the hell? where's your computer, mouse and keyboard? :OOOOOOO Amazing that panel!

I can't speak for anyone but myself- but Iput down my pc last year and went for a PS3 slim as

1) All my friends have it and we could go play ourselves a game of Modern Warfare 2 or Killzone 2 together

2) When my mates come over, we can play split screen up to four people

3) There are second hand console games but not any used PC games ($39 for a new PC game, $28 for a used console game)

4) I don't need to be thinking about the requirements for each game- instead I just slot it in and its ready to go

5) Some of the games I like (e.g. Red Dead Redemption and UFC 2010) aren't on the PC

Yes, i enjoy my gaming pc. It is set up just like a console on my big screen hdtv. One hdmi hook up and bam its as easy as hooking up a xbox360 and Ps3. Yes this is a dedicated gaming pc, meaning it cost some serious money, easily double the cost of my 360 and ps3 together. It also takes up more room so i had to accomodate for its place in my entertainment set up. I use a 360 game controller for the majority of games. When i have to use a keyboard and mouse....well i avoid that as much as possible. But even with this great set up, i still want to play my consoles too.

PC just as easy to set up as a console on a hdtv/entertainment set up.

PC gets very sharp high rez grapchics compared to console ( look at Dirt 2 and Just Cause 2on high pc settings and drool ) but that beautifull picture comes at a high cost, so dont fool yourself that pc gaming is cheap.

keyboard and mouse games dont work well in a living room couch/coffee table environment. I pretty much dont play any pc game unless it supports 360 controller. Its just not comfortable and you need to use wireless k/m. If you can find a good work around, then no problem.

Games...lets face it, the pc is not getting EVERY game....i really want to play the Gears of War, Halo series, Infamous series, Uncharted series, God of War 3, Forza 3, Killzone series, etc, etc. So, my consoles stand just as tall and proud as my uber gaming pc and they are very capable and satisfying.

But, the PC is intimidating to most people, Plus on the family side of things, most parents are just going to buy a game console for their kids bedrooms and really dont need to overkill with a dedicated gaming pc on their kids 19 inch standard tv. Right?

1. Building a PC is not for most people

2. more expensive, arent willing to find good deals

3. Prefer controller

4. more friends with consoles

5. lots of games on console not on PC

6. A lot less noob friendly games on PC

7. Prefer TVs

porkysownu

1. I have to agree here. People prefer simple. At the same time, there is now options for people to just buy prebuilt gaming computers. Considering everyone needs a PC these days, the sense of prebuilt should be pretty simple. PLug cables and turn on... Helps the ignorant on building pc's get into PC gaming pretty easy these days.

2. Same price in the long run (Console on release + peripherals + higher game price vs pc built + upgraded + lower price games = same price point)

3. Controllers of anykind can work on Pc. That included wii, 360, ps3, ps2, snes, n64 etc etc etc.

4. Friends are subjective. You might have more friends but others might not.

5. There is many games on PC that are not on console. Even more, there are more games on PC not found on consoles. Needless to say, number 5 doesn't prove anything.

6. So true but nowadays with all the bad porting, you can find many "noob friendly games on PC" (New splinter cell, supreme commander 2, etc etc etc)

7. Tv doesn't prove anything. Tv's can easily be put on the Pc.

Yes, i enjoy my gaming pc. It is set up just like a console on my big screen hdtv. One hdmi hook up and bam its as easy as hooking up a xbox360 and Ps3. Yes this is a dedicated gaming pc, meaning it cost some serious money, easily double the cost of my 360 and ps3 together. It also takes up more room so i had to accomodate for its place in my entertainment set up. I use a 360 game controller for the majority of games. When i have to use a keyboard and mouse....well i avoid that as much as possible. But even with this great set up, i still want to play my consoles too.

PC just as easy to set up as a console on a hdtv/entertainment set up.

PC gets very sharp high rez grapchics compared to console ( look at Dirt 2 and Just Cause 2on high pc settings and drool ) but that beautifull picture comes at a high cost, so dont fool yourself that pc gaming is cheap.

keyboard and mouse games dont work well in a living room couch/coffee table environment. I pretty much dont play any pc game unless it supports 360 controller. Its just not comfortable and you need to use wireless k/m. If you can find a good work around, then no problem.

Games...lets face it, the pc is not getting EVERY game....i really want to play the Gears of War, Halo series, Infamous series, Uncharted series, God of War 3, Forza 3, Killzone series, etc, etc. So, my consoles stand just as tall and proud as my uber gaming pc and they are very capable and satisfying.

But, the PC is intimidating to most people, Plus on the family side of things, most parents are just going to buy a game console for their kids bedrooms and really dont need to overkill with a dedicated gaming pc on their kids 19 inch standard tv. Right?

Videodogg

you can get the cheapest pc nowadays and you'll be able to play all the games without any problem. and who cares if you can't max them all out. I'm also happy with medium settings.

But when it comes to games, it all comes down to personal preferences. people who like sport, platfromers and fighting games are likely to prefer playing on a console.

apparently free online, cheaper games, mods, better performance and graphics are not decisive factors in choosing Pc over the consoles.

I don't think it's because of the price either..cause I mean, look at how expensive console games and accessories are. so what is it? lack of games on Pc? commercial? laziness?

pitty8982

Wow, this is still going on? If this actually has to be asked, PC gamers clearly don't understand why there's a market for consoles in the first place. It comes down to cost and convenience. Consoles are that 'low cost out of the box ready to use appliance'.

The PC gamers here often argue that building your own rig is not as complicated as it seems at first, that it can be learned by anybody. And yes, they are right about this. Make no mistake. But you want to know the truth? THAT DOESN'T MATTER.

Even if the perception of building your own PC is wrong, that's not the point. What is the point is that the general consumer doesn't WANT to build it themselves, even if they thought they were capable of learning and taking the time to do it themselves, it's more a matter of "why should they in the first place"? The frame of mind is that PCs are just another electronic appliance, categorized like stereo systems, microwave ovens, MP3 players, VCRs, DVD players and so on. They don't expect to build their own movie player or music player, and that's what they expect from the device they want to use for home productivity. There's plenty of stores that carry these devices in boxes on shelves, and they just want to take it home, take it out of the box and it's ready to use.

The minute you introduce the need for a tool kit (screw drivers, pliers, fasteners, etc...) to be able to assemble something, it's perceived in a whole new light. Right or wrong about the complexity of the procedure, it's no longer the convenient ready to use device, and that's not what they wanted in the first place. This hasn't even taken into consideration the expanded shopping list of buying each component separately and the product knowledge needed for each one to understand the requirements from the variety of brands and models out there. Like I said, you can argue that it can be learned all you want, in the end it won't matter. This also in no way makes them stupid or lazy either. It comes down to the expectation. If it's for entertainment, it should be convenient.

The other factor the PC vs Console debate hinges on is expense. And again it is true that PC gaming does NOT require an initial investment of $4500, nor the bi-annual upkeep of $400 in upgrades. All the prices that hermits have quoted here, being about $200-300 more than consoles, are accurate. Buuuuuuuuut... every one of those quotes have made one assertion, that the PC in question is self built, which again, is against the general consumer's expectation.

This is the big Catch 22. For that consumer crowd to get into PC gaming it's either:

A) to get it at the cost they want, they need to go to more trouble than their willing to
B) they do have the option to get a PC capable rig at a store and is ready out of the box, but that option is 3X more than a console

If you understand the expectations of the general consumer, you then understand why the market for consoles exist in the first place. They are the balanced package of low cost and ready to use convenience. Oh and what ever technical superiority PCs hold over consoles, again to the average gamer it doesn't matter. The current generation of consoles more than satisfies the eye candy cravings. Only in forums to people nit pick over resolutions and textures. That is completely immaterial in the real world, where the oveall design and visual styIes are what people see as good graphics.

In fact the REAL question isn't, "why do people choose console over PC to game on?", it's "why do PC gamers care what other people game on?". Is it really that difficult to accept a diiferent venue from your own? Like yours is the only perception that matters?

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you all know that if they allowed the consoles to support keyboard+mouse for games with customizable keys, PC gaming would die. because starcraft 2, WoW, SWTOR, diablo 3, all the RTS games would be playable on the console.

seriously, if you think about it, the next gen consoles might support that, and then there would be no reason to waste money upgrading a PC, because all those lovely games that you can only play on PC you will be able to play on the console without any hassle the PC brings like tweaking settings, driver updates for video, sound, bios flashes, etc.

i have my console on my computer desk so its a non-issue for me when people say its hard using a kb+m on a couch.. cuz i play my console sitting on a chair just like playing my PC

i wish i could play WoW on my console with kb+m, everyone would have the same performance, settings, etc, no disadvantages from having a lower distance view, or lower spell effects because your computer cant handle it.

jedikevin2

That could also apply that a consoles could slowly just become PC's. I see that day actually possible. Play on PC or play on microsofts game system and get to play in the same servers etc etc. Use Keyboard or mouse or controller on either platform. You must also remember that everyone today needs a PC and with hardware far outpacing software, you could easily see nominal price console/Pc hybrids. Yo really never know. As game systems incorporate more and more PC Os functionality like internet browsers, etc etc you just don't know where we are headed.

Wow, this is still going on? If this actually has to be asked, PC gamers clearly don't understand why there's a market for consoles in the first place. It comes down to cost and convenience. Consoles are that 'low cost out of the box ready to use appliance'.

We know this, but what does System Wars debate? we always go on about "Quality of Games is more important than Sales" all of a sudden this doesnt apply to the gaming systems themselves?

The PC gamers here often argue that building your own rig is not as complicated as it seems at first, that it can be learned by anybody. And yes, they are right about this. Make no mistake. But you want to know the truth? THAT DOESN'T MATTER.

What a double-edged logic we have going here, apperently Cost and Conveniance MATTERS here, but the fact that we are right about it being cheap and easy doesnt matter? the very fact that most people that post here have way too much free time diminishes any REAL arguement of conveniance.

Even if the perception of building your own PC is wrong, that's not the point. What is the point is that the general consumer doesn't WANT to build it themselves, even if they thought they were capable of learning and taking the time to do it themselves, it's more a matter of "why should they in the first place"? The frame of mind is that PCs are just another electronic appliance, categorized like stereo systems, microwave ovens, MP3 players, VCRs, DVD players and so on. They don't expect to build their own movie player or music player, and that's what they expect from the device they want to use for home productivity. There's plenty of stores that carry these devices in boxes on shelves, and they just want to take it home, take it out of the box and it's ready to use.

Your right, but again this forum is one pool of hypocrisy, the ammount of time consolites spend on here looking up why Console Gaming is better than PC, thye could of took just 1 day out of thier time and resolved this issue. but instead Quality, Games Library and "Cost of what you get" is thrown out the window because they cant be a smart consumer FOR ONE DAY OUT OF THIER LIVES. sorry, dont buy it.... cancelling out the merits of PC gaming for something so superficial, liek the majority of these "Hardcore Gaming" System Warriors care what "the average consumer" is capable of when it doesnt favour them.

The Ultimatum is, you get what you pay for and what time is invested, a PC does so much more inside and outside gaming, and is easily accessible with minimal research, THIS IS FACT.

The minute you introduce the need for a tool kit (screw drivers, pliers, fasteners, etc...) to be able to assemble something, it's perceived in a whole new light. Right or wrong about the complexity of the procedure, it's no longer the convenient ready to use device, and that's not what they wanted in the first place. This hasn't even taken into consideration the expanded shopping list of buying each component separately and the product knowledge needed for each one to understand the requirements from the variety of brands and models out there. Like I said, you can argue that it can be learned all you want, in the end it won't matter. This also in no way makes them stupid or lazy either. It comes down to the expectation. If it's for entertainment, it should be convenient.

True, but your final point is subjective... entertainment isnt always conveniant, a deeper interest in something shows passions and intilligence, I have no interest in cars, but i can do the basics, I hate DiY yet I do it anyway. I have a strong interest in games, SO I TAKE ONE DAY OUT OF MY LIFE TO DO THESE SIMPLE THINGS.

Lazy... maybe not so much stupid, but still, I ask again, when discussing system wars, when has appealing to the lowest common denominator been the primary focus of what makes something "good"?

The other factor the PC vs Console debate hinges on is expense. And again it is true that PC gaming does NOT require an initial investment of $4500, nor the bi-annual upkeep of $400 in upgrades. All the prices that hermits have quoted here, being about $200-300 more than consoles, are accurate. Buuuuuuuuut... every one of those quotes have made one assertion, that the PC in question is self built, which again, is against the general consumer's expectation.

This is the big Catch 22. For that consumer crowd to get into PC gaming it's either:

A) to get it at the cost they want, they need to go to more trouble than their willing to
B) they do have the option to get a PC capable rig at a store and is ready out of the box, but that option is 3X more than a console

If you understand the expectations of the general consumer, you then understand why the market for consoles exist in the first place. They are the balanced package of low cost and ready to use convenience. Oh and what ever technical superiority PCs hold over consoles, again to the average gamer it doesn't matter. The current generation of consoles more than satisfies the eye candy cravings. Only in forums to people nit pick over resolutions and textures. That is completely immaterial in the real world, where the oveall design and visual styIes are what people see as good graphics.

Very True.

In fact the REAL question isn't, "why do people choose console over PC to game on?", it's "why do PC gamers care what other people game on?". Is it really that difficult to accept a diiferent venue from your own? Like yours is the only perception that matters?

AdobeArtist

I dont disagree with anything you have said, I just dont like circular logic, this is system wars, where the intention is to debate quality, content and games library, this defines the winner for some odd reason.

But these excuses, these pitiful things which these forumites read for hours and hours, yet do nothing about is just hilariously bad.

I cant talk, I use to buy pre-made expensive PCs which wouldnt even max some games. I came here for a month and BAM... oh look, it was godamn simple.

Its about confidence in your ability to research and follow up like anything else. this isnt company or consumer wars, its system wars.

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Doesn't look good? Look at that pic of my living room again. See how clean it is? Know why it looks that clean? Because instead of a TV, a DVD/bluray player, a game console and a stereo I have ONE device.

And it looks like something from a Datacenter. Not a living room.

As for people who can't afford multiple PCs...why should I care? I mean, really? I don't give a flying fart. If they're that poor then a gaming console is going to kill their non-existant bank account. $60+ for a game? $50 a year to play online? $50 for one controller? $2.50 for horse armor? Paying for new maps? Paying for old maps? Paying for a new wallpaper/background?

Ridiculous.

Because a gaming PC can have astronomical costs. Consoles don't (the PS3 slim here can be had for as low as $350; the new Black Nintendo Wii is cheaper still). And not everyone buys tons of games or plays online. Again those types are enthusiast gamers, not common Joe consumers.

And everyone has a PC. If you own a PC, you should learn at least some basic things about it, like how to set it up. It's the same as owning a car: if you know nothing about it and own one, you're hemorrhaging money you don't have to.

Be more specific: Everyone has a PC yes, butnot everyone has a GAMING PC. In fact these days (at least in my locality), the majority of PC's being boughtby most buyersare no longer desktops, but NETBOOKS - extremely cheap low powered laptops/notebooks with many features removed like the DVD drive to drive the cost down (and reduce size and weight to make them more portable); their main use - to surf the internet, mainly in WiFi hotspots (they come with wireless LAN built in), so they're especially designed to be carried around just about anywhere. Definitely not gaming capable, as most don't have the necessary hardware (eg GPU's) for gaming (besides, the display would be much too small anyway, most have a display of just 9" or even less). I have one myself, used mainly for downloading stuff, and it cost a mere $200, and it serves its purpose well. And these days, I see them everywhere, especially shopping malls (eg patrons having lunch at the foodcourtwhile managing their Facebook accounts).

br0kenrabbit

Please don't post in-line, it's annoying and screws up the quoting system.

I've built gaming PCs for $500. Over the life of the system a PC is far cheaper.

You don't need a gaming PC to need to know how to take care of a PC, just like you don't need a Ferrari to need to know how to take care of a car. That's a ridiculous assumption. If you can afford a pre-built PC, you can afford to build your own gaming PC. If you can snap legos together you can build a PC.

And it looks like something from a Datacenter. Not a living room.

I prefer my system not look like a plastic fisher-price 'My First Game Console' toy:

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Unlike the PC, the Console is still basically a Set-Top-Box that forms part of a Home Theatre System - one that seamlessly plugs in to other home theatre compoments (TV, Sterero/Receiver, etc). The PC on the other hand, can't truely fulfill that role no matter how hard you make it try to do so. It is still a desktop computer whose primary purpose is PRODUCTIVITY like the Office Computer, and not primarily a home entertainment system (that remains a SECONDARY function for the PC). Conversely, being able to perform PC-like functions on the Consle (eg surfing the internet)is a SECONDARY function for the Console (and besides,recently, Sony took the OS installation ability away from the PS3, so for now it's locked into using the XMB interface).

hakanakumono

Damn, I guess I haven't been using a PC as a 7.1 stereo system and TV for the past 6 years like I thought. I guess that remote is a figment of my imagination.

I'm sorry, but I think this is tacky. Despite the fact that you can setup your PC this way, you really have to go out of your way to do it and use the PC in a way that i wasn't meant to be used. What happens when you have to write your report? Surf the web? Do you want everything you do projected on your wall? PCs are multi-use devices that we use for both business and play, and a setup should reflect that.

And besides, sitting on the couch with a keyboard and a mouse? Awkward and ultimately more uncomfortable than sitting at a desk. It's just not the same. No matter how flexible the PC is, you cant just hook it up and plug it in to a normal living room setup with a lot of know how and very specific capabilities. Not to mention the fact that one doesn't have to build a console themselves to have it be affordable.

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[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Sailor_Enlil

Please don't post in-line, it's annoying and screws up the quoting system.

I've built gaming PCs for $500. Over the life of the system a PC is far cheaper.

You don't need a gaming PC to need to know how to take care of a PC, just like you don't need a Ferrari to need to know how to take care of a car. That's a ridiculous assumption. If you can afford a pre-built PC, you can afford to build your own gaming PC. If you can snap legos together you can build a PC.

And it looks like something from a Datacenter. Not a living room.

I prefer my system not look like a plastic fisher-price 'My First Game Console' toy:

Driver installation, Windows 7 = 1 click.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Sailor_Enlil

Please don't post in-line, it's annoying and screws up the quoting system.

I've built gaming PCs for $500. Over the life of the system a PC is far cheaper.

You don't need a gaming PC to need to know how to take care of a PC, just like you don't need a Ferrari to need to know how to take care of a car. That's a ridiculous assumption. If you can afford a pre-built PC, you can afford to build your own gaming PC. If you can snap legos together you can build a PC.

And it looks like something from a Datacenter. Not a living room.

I prefer my system not look like a plastic fisher-price 'My First Game Console' toy:

...............Driver installation is literally the easiest step :| in building a computer.... lets go see the $900 Asus laptop being sold by Best Buy.. Laptops arn't meant for gaming but never before has there been such cheap laptops with the specs you are getting.. That laptop can play things like Crysis on high.

Driver installation, Windows 7 = 1 click.

Birdy09

.. I don't even see how you could complaina bout it before that on windows xp.. It had the very complicated steps of and going step by step in a few minutes.. Its the easiest aspect of the pc imo.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

Driver installation, Windows 7 = 1 click.

sSubZerOo

.. I don't even see how you could complaina bout it before that on windows xp.. It had the very complicated steps of and going step by step in a few minutes.. Its the easiest aspect of the pc imo.

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Please don't post in-line, it's annoying and screws up the quoting system.

I've built gaming PCs for $500. Over the life of the system a PC is far cheaper.

You don't need a gaming PC to need to know how to take care of a PC, just like you don't need a Ferrari to need to know how to take care of a car. That's a ridiculous assumption. If you can afford a pre-built PC, you can afford to build your own gaming PC. If you can snap legos together you can build a PC.

And it looks like something from a Datacenter. Not a living room.

I prefer my system not look like a plastic fisher-price 'My First Game Console' toy:

Birdy09

Driver installation, Windows 7 = 1 click.

3. Controllers of anykind can work on Pc. That included wii, 360, ps3, ps2, snes, n64 etc etc etc.

jedikevin2

But will they automatically configure to the most optimal settings for that controller? Unless it's a Game for Windows and you're using a 360 controller, don't count on the controller setup to be intuitive out of the box, not with so many possible setup combinations and no way of knowing if button one is even in the same place on the face...or even on the face (I've had a couple show button 1 on the shoulder). And being forced to go through a config screen is an automatic fail for computer-illiterates. Pick-up-and-play is the baseline requirement.

And what about the need for tools (see the guy who posted above about the need for Screwdrivers, Pliers, etc, and he makes a lot of excellent points on the expectations of the average Joe Consumer, and thus the very purpose and market of the Consoles). And if a compliant driver is not available? (I've occasionally run into that trouble of not being able to find a suitable driver for a particular hardware and thus not being able to get it to work. And consider that there are still users out there, myself included, who are still running WINDOWS XP - I'm not going to the Windows 7 upgrade pathuntil SP1 comes out).

Sailor_Enlil

You need a screwdriver, period... And a compliant driver not available? This isn't the early 2000's this is 2010.. I havn't had such a problem in years..

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Again not in my experience. Unless you have say insider connections finding very good cheap parts can be hard to come by. My locality is not served by Newegg.com, so I'm forced to buy retail at regular stores, and prices can be sky high. Andassembling a PC was never as easy as "Snappling Legos Together"(driver installation anyone?) - that's theConsole's department.And how do you turn a NETBOOK into a gaming PC? (especially considering Netbooks, let alone most laptops, are not upgradable)

Never seen the Black version of the XBox 360?



Or Perhaps Sony did well in designing the PS3 to visually fit better into the Home Theatre Setup (to me, it's like a futuristicCD/DVD Player)

Sailor_Enlil

Driver installation, Windows 7 = 1 click.

Sorry darling I cant put that shelf on the wall, too many tools *mind explodes*

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Please don't post in-line, it's annoying and screws up the quoting system.

I've built gaming PCs for $500. Over the life of the system a PC is far cheaper.

You don't need a gaming PC to need to know how to take care of a PC, just like you don't need a Ferrari to need to know how to take care of a car. That's a ridiculous assumption. If you can afford a pre-built PC, you can afford to build your own gaming PC. If you can snap legos together you can build a PC.

And it looks like something from a Datacenter. Not a living room.

I prefer my system not look like a plastic fisher-price 'My First Game Console' toy:

Birdy09

Driver installation, Windows 7 = 1 click.

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

Driver installation, Windows 7 = 1 click.

Birdy09

Sorry darling I cant put that shelf on the wall, too many tools *mind explodes*

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Again not in my experience. Unless you have say insider connections finding very good cheap parts can be hard to come by. My locality is not served by Newegg.com, so I'm forced to buy retail at regular stores, and prices can be sky high. Andassembling a PC was never as easy as "Snappling Legos Together"(driver installation anyone?) - that's theConsole's department.And how do you turn a NETBOOK into a gaming PC? (especially considering Netbooks, let alone most laptops, are not upgradable)

Never seen the Black version of the XBox 360?



Or Perhaps Sony did well in designing the PS3 to visually fit better into the Home Theatre Setup (to me, it's like a futuristicCD/DVD Player)

HuusAsking

Driver installation, Windows 7 = 1 click.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

3. Controllers of anykind can work on Pc. That included wii, 360, ps3, ps2, snes, n64 etc etc etc.

HuusAsking

But will they automatically configure to the most optimal settings for that controller? Unless it's a Game for Windows and you're using a 360 controller, don't count on the controller setup to be intuitive out of the box, not with so many possible setup combinations and no way of knowing if button one is even in the same place on the face...or even on the face (I've had a couple show button 1 on the shoulder). And being forced to go through a config screen is an automatic fail for computer-illiterates. Pick-up-and-play is the baseline requirement.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

And what about the need for tools (see the guy who posted above about the need for Screwdrivers, Pliers, etc, and he makes a lot of excellent points on the expectations of the average Joe Consumer, and thus the very purpose and market of the Consoles). And if a compliant driver is not available? (I've occasionally run into that trouble of not being able to find a suitable driver for a particular hardware and thus not being able to get it to work. And consider that there are still users out there, myself included, who are still running WINDOWS XP - I'm not going to the Windows 7 upgrade pathuntil SP1 comes out).

HuusAsking

Sorry darling I cant put that shelf on the wall, too many tools *mind explodes*

Compelling reason? not having to install drivers, having much better performance and automated bug fixing? thats not compelling for this "average joe" well I'l be damned, theres no winning, soi l just be elitest and say. I dont care about idiots.

In fact the REAL question isn't, "why do people choose console over PC to game on?", it's "why do PC gamers care what other people game on?". Is it really that difficult to accept a diiferent venue from your own? Like yours is the only perception that matters?

AdobeArtist

What the hell is the problem with some of you people on system wars and generalizing. It seriously ticks me off how because a select few people said something, "PC gamers' in general are supposed to care about what platform you game on.

WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GAME ON

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] You need, 1 screwdriver... 1.... If you want to stick with the outdated crap that is Windows XP then your just shooting yourself in the foot arnt you? why wait for Service Pack 1? Windows 7 is very stable and performs well as it is. Complaining about ease of use of something when your using 2 generations and about 5 years outdated operating system? just lowers the credibility on your take of modern pc gaming doesnt it?

Sorry darling I cant put that shelf on the wall, too many tools *mind explodes*

Birdy09

Compelling reason? not having to install drivers, having much better performance and automated bug fixing? thats not compelling for this "average joe" well I'l be damned, theres no winning, soi l just be elitest and say. I dont care about idiots.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

In fact the REAL question isn't, "why do people choose console over PC to game on?", it's "why do PC gamers care what other people game on?". Is it really that difficult to accept a diiferent venue from your own? Like yours is the only perception that matters?

Eggimannd

What the hell is the problem with some of you people on system wars and generalizing. It seriously ticks me off how because a select few people said something, "PC gamers' in general are supposed to care about what platform you game on.

WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GAME ON

That is system wars man. Generalization and stereotyping is what system wars is about lol. Not saying its correct in anyway but it happens everyday.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

In fact the REAL question isn't, "why do people choose console over PC to game on?", it's "why do PC gamers care what other people game on?". Is it really that difficult to accept a diiferent venue from your own? Like yours is the only perception that matters?

Eggimannd

What the hell is the problem with some of you people on system wars and generalizing. It seriously ticks me off how because a select few people said something, "PC gamers' in general are supposed to care about what platform you game on.

WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GAME ON

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

In fact the REAL question isn't, "why do people choose console over PC to game on?", it's "why do PC gamers care what other people game on?". Is it really that difficult to accept a diiferent venue from your own? Like yours is the only perception that matters?

Sailor_Enlil

What the hell is the problem with some of you people on system wars and generalizing. It seriously ticks me off how because a select few people said something, "PC gamers' in general are supposed to care about what platform you game on.

WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GAME ON

You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word "generalize". I don't care what Birdy09 said. He doesn't represent every PC gamer.

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

What the hell is the problem with some of you people on system wars and generalizing. It seriously ticks me off how because a select few people said something, "PC gamers' in general are supposed to care about what platform you game on.

WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GAME ON

Eggimannd

You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word "generalize". I don't care what Birdy09 said. He doesn't represent every PC gamer.

Console gaming is a hell of a lot more convenient and offers a quality gaming experience to the masses, that's why.

Console gaming is a hell of a lot more convenient and offers a quality gaming experience to the masses, that's why.

TechDubDoob

[QUOTE="TechDubDoob"]

Console gaming is a hell of a lot more convenient and offers a quality gaming experience to the masses, that's why.

aia89

[QUOTE="aia89"]

[QUOTE="TechDubDoob"]

Console gaming is a hell of a lot more convenient and offers a quality gaming experience to the masses, that's why.

HuusAsking

PC gaming isn't a joke. The joke is the PC gamer trying to downplay the consoles and sell the idea that everyone is capable of having high end rigs for cheap.xsubtownerx

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="aia89"]WOW and Farm villle say hi

aia89

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]PC gaming isn't a joke. The joke is the PC gamer trying to downplay the consoles and sell the idea that everyone is capable of having high end rigs for cheap.Metroid_Other_M

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]PC gaming isn't a joke. The joke is the PC gamer trying to downplay the consoles and sell the idea that everyone is capable of having high end rigs for cheap.04dcarraher

Little confused on the statement of the ps3 and wii black has to do with what 04dcarraher was saying to Metroid_other _M A netbook is not a gaming machine. What does that have to do with the discussion?jedikevin2

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]PC gaming isn't a joke. The joke is the PC gamer trying to downplay the consoles and sell the idea that everyone is capable of having high end rigs for cheap.04dcarraher

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Little confused on the statement of the ps3 and wii black has to do with what 04dcarraher was saying to Metroid_other _M A netbook is not a gaming machine. What does that have to do with the discussion?Sailor_Enlil

PCs are more popular than consoles. You seem to be of the mind that only gamers would want to purchase a computer, and this is where you're twisting everything. Yes, laptops are more popular...but gaming isn't the most common use of a computer. Hell, I've orchestrated the purchase of 5,000 laptops at a time for a company. When companies want a desktop solution, they don't buy desktop PCs, they buy THIN CLIENTS.

The majority of PC sales have always come from companies, not the home sector. Saying 'The most purchased PC is the laptop' doesn't really do anything for your argument.

Well i play the most on my xbox360 but when i want real gaming experience i play on the computer.

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