Why do you think the PS4 is still outselling the XB1?

Honestly, those are very niche titles you've listed. However, Rime looks fantastic. Let me give you a run down of MS's lineup to come since you are lost on the matter.

• Halo 5
• Gears of War Ultimate Edition
• Fable Legends
• Forza 6
• Rare Collection
• Quantum Break
• Scalebound
• Recore
• Cuphead
• Crackdown 3
• Gears 4
• Rise of The Tomb Raider(for now)

Halo 5, Gears UE, Fable, Forza, Rare collection, and Tomb Raider all come out this year. Those are huge titles for MS and are very well known. This is the perfect time to get a XB1. No sense in denying it.

Hahahaha yeah sony still waiting for PS2 gamers to drop their PS2 and hope into the PS3..hahaha

That is such a sad notion even more when the PS3 was killing the xbox 360 game wise since 2010 where MS started it mary go round Forza,Halo,Gears spin dance.

They are losing because most people don't want an xbox one period,it is selling for $349 with 2 games and still losing vs a more expensive console.

lol at listing indies no one knows about. Also, if you can name multiplats as "exclusives" so can I. Here

They're gonna be pushing really hard this holiday to change that it looks like.

More Halo, Gears, and Forza along with Black ops 3 and Star Wars and Fallout 4. They better advertise like crazy

Well if you include Kinect sure. Thought we were past that though.

But I meant more variety in the exclusives historically. Maybe I should have made that more clear, my bad.

LMAO, you realize he JUST listed game for 2015 right?

You thinking he listed PS4's entire catalog of high profile games, or you listing the ENTIRE lineup of high profile games for xbox 1's just to match his list of holiday 2015 PS4 games says it all really. Just desperate on your part to make an argument for xbox 1 because you are fan but how are you expecting a realistic discussion if you have to resort so such measures?

This is how the Holiday 2015 really matches up

Xbox 1

• Halo 5
• Gears Ultimate Edition
• Fable ledgens
• Forza 6
• Rare Collection
• Rise of the Tomb Raider

PS4

• Persona 5
• Disgaea 5
• Tales of Zesteria
• Dragon Quest Heroes
• Tearaway
• Until Dawn
• No mans sky
• The Tomorrow Children
• Rime
• Samurai Warrior 4-II
• Godzilla
• Uncharted collection
• J-Stars Victory VS+
• Fat Princess Adventures
• Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
• Planetside II just released today (guess I'll add that as well)

I edited your list to reflect realty of the xbox 2015 lineup compared to PS4's. You don't want a matchup of PS4's entire line up against xbox 1 because that entire xbox lineup you have there to match PS4's 2015 will end up looking just as tiny.

Add in Ori and the blind Forest and Scremride that that is xbox 1's entire 2015 game lineup.

This is the reason why people are flocking to PS4, more games, with more frequency, higher quality and better variety.

This. So this.

I think too much emphasis is put on E3 2013. Millions of consumers' minds were already made up for years prior to the XB1 launch due to the ridiculous 360 hardware fiasco.

The documented failure rate of 360's was so unprecedented that it's frankly sobering to see XB1 only down a 2:1 margin this development cycle.

I was a Lemming through and through; had the first Xbox on release day. But after going through five 360's, getting the runaround for ten years I was forced to say "never again".

I have three close gaming buddies that went through the identical same experience with Microsoft. RROD then disc drive after disc drive after disc drive. We all had consoles that died right after our warranty as well. Loved my 360(s). But I held to my word that I would bounce nex-gen and get a Playstation and I couldn't be happier.

Better hardware. Cheaper price. Superior Multiplats. Far more variety in games. Free games through PS+. Great support. Spotify. The list goes on and on.

No, it's because, as has been said before, Microsoft made a shitastic first impression with the XBone.

E3 2013 was nothing short of a nightmare for Microsoft with the stupid shit that they tried to pull. The only reason that they scrambled to reverse all of those dumb fucking policies is because Lems were about to flock to the PS4 in droves (which many of them did anyway).

And then after E3, word of mouth got around about the crap that Microsoft tried to pull, in addition to the PS4 being $100 cheaper and more powerful.

Guess you missed the part of my post where I mentioned the titles for this year? Also, you see the problem here, right? I'm talking about blockbuster titles and you're bringing up indies that a lot of people won't play because they're indies. Uncharted Collection and Persona are really the big ones.

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It will never win in sales because the majority of gamers are casuals. They are easily swayed by propaganda. Last gen the wii outsold both the x360 and ps3 and it hardly has any games, and used dated hardware. The motion control gimmick did it for ninty. Now there all fooled by a bit of extra resolution.

Next gen it's nintendo's turn again.

First impression and PS is the world wide more liked brand.

Better hardware plus a good selection of multiplat games coupled with MS shooting themselves in the foot right out of the gate. Made the decision pretty easy for a lot of people.

I personally went with an X1, because I need my Halo fix. I also think it has more promise in the immediate future.

Will be looking to get a PS4 once it distinguishes itself with a few more great exclusives. Right now Bloodborne is the only one worth a damn (between both consoles).

Also, LMFAO at people listing games like Samurai Warriors and Godzilla as a reason the PS4 is better this holiday.

This post proves that its all subjective. He likes JRPGs, I don't. So it doesn't have better games in the future for me.

Why would hardware failure effect this gen when it didn't effect it much last gen? The reason PS4 is selling well is

A) cheaper at launch

B) tons of negative press on XOne (drm, always online ect)

C) weaker hardware

Anyone that claims games are the reason is full of shit. The libraries are almost the same with BOTH consoles having good games to choose from.

i don't think it needs a price drop to keep it selling..

Problem?

No, there is no problem, you say whatever you need to fit or suit your argument. Call them niche, call them non-blockbuster...lol amusingly those were things xbox fans also said about Bloodborne.

Your argument, if it can be called that, is just you trying to make the weight of your opinion heavier than others. Games are games Minecraft would also have been classified at "niche" and "non-blockbuster" but look what happened with that!

Games being loved, highly praised by fans and critics are the elements that matter in games, not the distinction of whether you consider them niche or blockbuster that is probably the reason xbox one is getting outsold now because people don't agree with you. Perhaps that you the problem you are having.

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Guess I'll even throw in Wii Sports to strengthen my argument, also classified as non-blockbuster by your standards and didn't even get scored very high by critical reviewers but the fans loved it.

Enough to make it the highest selling game of last gen and second highest selling video game in history. The fact it outsold the biggest single "blockbuster" Uncharted and Halo games combined last gen (41+ mil) fan appreciation and love is all that is needed for a game to be worth it's salt.

@playharderfool:

To be fair, the other guy asked, "What does xbox have in 2016?"

Perhaps that's why he listed 2016 games? Makes sense, no?

And are you really going to play a lot of that crap you listed? I'm all for winning an argument, but man the **** up and talk about games you'll actually play. You'll never see me list Fable Legends as a reason to get an X1 (unless it turns out to be good, which I highly doubt).

The XB1 only won one month in NA. It's never actually won a month WW.

The PS4 is the more powerful console with more games out for it and from a company with a better track record of supporting their console with quality exclusives throughout it's lifecycle. Add in that many people follow their early adopting friends to whatever platform they went with and I don't see the XB1 making a race out of this gen ever. If MS keeps their price below the PS4 and keeps aggressive bundling going they'll keep things close in NA, and that's enough to keep their third party support going, and at this point I think that's the more realistic goal.

Lol why are you pulling crap out of thin air.

Back it up with facts or stfu.

Btw PS3 outsold X360.

360 ended last place.

xbox needs to do something in europe.

the only reason the ps3 was close in sales to the 360 was europe....

the only reason ps4 is winning is europe..... they got sony fever over there.

japan is irrelevant so far for consoles. USA is pretty much tied for ps4/xbox.

Well people were doing list wars so I just wanted to make sure it was clear exactly how it staked up.

Now for you asking me about games I will play, is that some kind of defense for xbox 1 here? Seems strange you ask me that and not the other posters who made lists before me even the xbox fans listing games that have only had CGI trailers shown so far.

I was making a point, and no amount of fanboy fuckery can spin or downplay the facts I presented. I even used Wii Sports in my example because "people" loved that game even tho it would be classified as "non-blockbuster" or "niche" despite the fact that I never played it.

He was trying to downplay games based on terminology he tried to say mattered, I showed how his logic was flawed.

And your argument is?

I got PS4 before X1 which I still don´t even have because of first impression; the Xbox division top brass must have had a meeting and the order of the day must have been: "How can we **** up really good our next console ?" and they did ! it doesn´t matter most of their policies weren´t implemented, the word of what they were planning came out and everybody said: FU MS ! and went ahead and purchased a PoS4.

He was correct about my point. Someone asked and I answered giving a list of games followed by the ones releasing this year alone. The bottom line is that not every game will turn out to be the next Minecraft. How many of those games will score a 8 or above on GS? Only time will tell. For now, we're all just speculating.

PS4 sells because Sony is a master of dangling the potential of their titles perpetually on the horizon, seemingly so close gamers can just reach out and touch it, but they know one day, one magical day, that dream will become a reality, but those games remain elusive, such a tease, makes them want them even more even if those games seemingly aren't that special, but just you wait, one day it'll pay off, one day, just you wait, it'll be so glorious, Xbox fanboys will go running home crying to their mammas, just you wait, even if it sucks, we'll all feign satisfaction in a gigantic circle jerk, just a little further to go, salvation lies on the horizon, we're almost there...

There's no reason for it to be selling better. The more games argument is awful. No one pays attention to niche, uninspired indies or remasters. It has marginally better multiplats. And the sales come from Sony zealots and Microsoft's bad launch and reveal.

MS cant do anything at this point. Sony is the leader and it will continue. Sony will drop the price going into the holiday season just to ensure that they stay the leader in NA. World Wide MS sucks.

I think it's probably lots of small things now. I don't think MS get what console gamers want this gen. MS are doing what is best for business all the time with the Xbox One, but the things that are best for business, are not always attractive to gamers. It's crazy because they understood last gen.

Also it feels like MS act like they're forced to offer value. The console, no, the gaming market is a huge give and take thing. You put a lot of value on the table and people will buy into it. You can't hustle gamers.

Sony at least put a more convincing act forwards like they give a shit about gamers. And Nintendo are still yet to understand the mind numbingly obvious concept of 'give people what they want, not what you want'.

I will say that Phil Spencer has improved the direction a lot, but it's been slow going.

But that's the thing, MS can do loads. Nothing is stopping them turning the Xbox One into a great console except them, just like Nintendo with the Wii U. It's not like it used to be where developers just flat out refused to making games on a competitors platforms.

MS don't have to beat Sony to make a great console for gamers.

Nope.JRPGs maybe niche to some but the Xbone does not have any exclusive ones.

The PS3 has more genres since 2009 , the 360 lost all momentum in the world since then.If you think to tell me that because MS has the best it means nothing if you can still find the same game/genre on another console.

the consumers fall into these categories

1. uninformed. This is the majority of gamers. they dont know or dont understand the info that comes out. a lot of them dont know what 1080p means.

2. all their friends have it, so they are going to get it as well

3. for one reason or another, they dont like xb1 . i see a lot of these as well. my gf hates xbox but she cant tell me why lol

4. not that many xbox fanboys out there in the world. the majority jumps to whatever the best system is and this time they feel its sony

5. jrpg / japanese style gamers

Somehow I think even doing that the PS4 will still out sale The Bone in worldwide.

I take it the categories are not connected , because if you are uninformed but with friends telling you about the console you get informed.

your friends can be just as equally uninformed...or maybe misinformed.

having worked at gamestop, i hear the craziest things from a bunch of friends trying to give info to one guy that is totally wrong. ppl still say xb1 still has drm from launch....but im pretty sure they dont even know what drm means.

i even have fellow co workers who dont know what they are talking about.he compared borderlands to assassins creed....

not a lot of ppl do their own research....even friends ...and worse fanboy friends

What Indies.?

Tales of Zestiria is a Namco bandai game.

Persona 5 is an Atlus game.

Tearaway is a Media Molecule game.

Drawn to Death is a Sony sandiego game...

This are not indies is not our fault that you are to young to know what an indie is and what is not..lol

Oh did i forgot Uncharted collecting.?

I believe he also said in another thread that he hasn't played anything but destiny since September...so in terms of finalstar's gaming habits, it wouldn't seem to matter what console has the better games

Ps4 got 570 games... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games

Xbox One got 325 games... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Xbox_One_games

Why would anyone think that?

A more powerful Playstation console is going to be better in pretty much every way. MS had the power the last two console cycles (technically the PS3 only had a weaker GPU, but it's CPU power was not utilized) and as a result didn't bother with getting real exclusive games. Then they came out with a weaker console, higher price, and DRM.

They are lucky anyone is buying their console at all.

@commander: no... the wii sold extra bc of women and kids. And tablets werent that popular yet. The already loyal fans didnt hurt either

I think you forgot Asia too. Sony beat MS in Asia and is not just Japan!

You don't think some of those people that switched to PS4 did so due to low customer satisfaction with the 360? Because I'd bet there is some of that involved as well. You don't buy a brand that gives you problems...be it gaming, cars, phones etc.

And then, there is no reason to try to discredit games from a lineup based on what you think or feel based on personal opinion.

When ever you are talking about games and how they are received by a larger demographic outside of yourself, you can't use your personal opinion to restrict or dictate what the value of those games will be. Simply my point.

You can personally like one game from a lineup (I'll say Halo) more than the entire collection of games from another lineup, but you don't speak for everyone and a lot of other people could give less than a damn about Halo or shooters. Using words like "niche" or "blockbuster" don't give games more or less credibility no matter what your viewpoint or opinion is.

None of the 41+ million people who bought Wii Sports bothered to ask, "hey, is this a blockbuster or nah? Because if it's not a blockbuster I'm gonna put this back!" You may view and value certain games more than others, but they can feel the same and could care less if your games existed at all.

TL;DR version: you can't decide which games matter and which don't unless you are just talking for your personal ownership or preference.

Yeah good point. I went to a party for my sister in law's graduation this weekend and the two 20 something gamers were going ape shit about FF7 remake. I found that funny being I was older and could have played it on release fully. Both were in the 22-24 range so they played this game young. I asked "what's the big sell for you?" Answer: "come on dude! Everyone loves FF7!"

Wrong. We don't all love turn based, emo shit. That last comment automatically makes me a "dudebro, sports, COD" gamer to them. Yet I rarely play those either. "Sony gave the fans the games they wanted"

Read Xbox feedback forums. MS gave fans what they voted for also.

I highly doubt it, if true all PS3 users would have jumped ship after the infamous hack. I mean i see people bitch about their iphones sucking yet they go get a new iphone instead of switching. brand loyalty is pretty important to alot of people for some reason. Also most people hate change and its just easier (or more comfortable) then to change and learn something new.

You can doubt it all you want but it did factor when decision came for some people. You can't speak for them. And as for the hacks....not everyone had a credit card on their account.

So i can't speak for people but you can? a few people on the internet (who may or may not be trolls) is a poor representation of the 30+ million current gen console owners. All we are doing in this thread is guessing why the PS4 is so successful (which in itself should be apparent, but it isn't and nobody can really say why, not even sony) so why is my guess worse then your guess?

Yeah, because everyone can so tell the difference between the two...

Hows those udders working for you? Lactating?

People are certainly not buying PS4s for Bloodborne. I think it's all word of mouth. They see their Instagram and twitter follows/ followers talking up the PS4 and buying the systems, they feel the need to buy one as well. GameStop employees aren't any better.

Sony's also really good in having casuals think that multi-plats are exclusive. They see the Final Fantasy VII trailer and think it's Playstation exclusive. They see Destiny commercials and think it's Playstation exclusive.

You are such a dumbass, Tormentos. First off, you missed several exclusive games (Scalebound, Gears 4, Quantum Break). Second, you were the one championing No Man's Sky, FF 7 remake, and Shenmue 3 - when all of those are multiplat...

I'm not speaking for anyone. But it's a fact that not everyone who games is a "hard core" gamer that falls in love with brand. Nor was a credit card required for PS3. I'm just looking at facts. Faulty equipment does indeed turn individuals against a brand. I have seen and heard people that didn't go with MS because of that. Their statements. Not mine.