Why DON'T you game on PC?

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#101 NirdBerd
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2) Emulate them? Ya I wanna play Tales with a Mouse and Keyboard, also.. call me old fashioned but I like owning the game instead of pirating and emulating it. This is even more important with a series like Tales that needs fan support. Playing Skyward Sword with a mouse and keyboard instead of Wii MotionPlus and a nunchuk? Oh plz..

lundy86_4

You could use a controller. Also, emulation does not mean you have to pirate. You can actually own a legitimate copy of the game. Anyway, no emulation discussion here :(

Also, you can actually use your Wiimote and nunchuck on PC.

If a PC gamer owns a Wiimote and nunchuk, chances are that person also owns a Wii, so what's the point going through all of that? I mean, if I knew how to use this control setup on PC I wouldn't bother when my Wii is right here aswell.

Not bothered about playing Skyward Sword in HD with 8xMSAA (my pc probably can't do that anyway.. lol)

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#102 rasengan2552
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1) Because Tales, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Metroid, Xeno, Red Dead, and the entire JRPG genre don't exist on the PC.

2) Emulate them? Ya I wanna play Tales with a Mouse and Keyboard, also.. call me old fashioned but I like owning the game instead of pirating and emulating it. This is even more important with a series like Tales that needs fan support. Playing Skyward Sword with a mouse and keyboard instead of Wii MotionPlus and a nunchuk? Oh plz..

3) I still play PC games, but I don't upgrade it, there isn't anything on the PC at the moment that grabs me to the point where I want to upgrade my pc and get the best out of it. Maybe I will for The Old Republic, but I heard it's not very taxing on hardware so I may not have to.

4) A PC is only really ideal for FPS, RTS, MMO and WRPGs. FPS is getting boring, I am not interested in RTS, MMO depends on the game, and I dislike WRPGs.

I love how PC elitists brag about how mouse and keyboard is the superior control setup. Ok, that's a fair point and all, but where other than shooting games and RTS can it prove its superiority? and pretty much the majority of PC gamers primarily play the 4 genres I mentioned in the last point.

5) This is a personal reason, but I am left handed, I've tried remapping controls but it doesn't seem to work for me. So I play with the default WASD setup and it's still a bit awkward for me, I've tried numpad, IJKL, PL;' But then it just feels more awkward, I have given myself 1 week with each of the three setups. When you are physically moving something you are going to use your dominant hand, which is why I hold the mouse in my left hand, my wrist is more flexible and easier to control in my left so it's impossible for me to adjust to right hand. Controller doesn't require hand dominance as buttons are controlled by your index finger and thumbs and there is no physical movement beyond your fingers, it feels much more comfortable for me.

NirdBerd
how the hell are you gaving problems with WSAD ? lol you must have long arms or braod shoulders. but you could always i dunno ... get a 360/DS3 controller ? FYI: I have a BUNCH of JRPG for PC, I can't tell you how I got them ... I would copy them to my Steam Library and show them off but some douche would probably see my library and report me for putting "questionably acquired" games on my Steam library.
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#103 elbert_b_23
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besides playing rts games a mouse and keybored always feels wrong to play games with
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#104 heretrix
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The cost to upgrade: Yes it is more expensive and Hermits downplay it. If you want to run a new game well you have to upgrade more than just a graphics card, you have to get a good disc drive and a new cooling system and bunch of other things ect... and none of these are cheap. And these upgrades will only last youa couple years at the most, after that you have to go through the whole process all over again.

ShadowMoses900

This a prime example of the BS I was talking about.Unless you haven't upgraded for several years and you built your PC with a terrible foundation of parts from the get go, at most you should only need to upgrade your video card every few years at a cost of MAYBE 200 bucks. You might want to upgrade later and get some ram or whatever but the only time I've ever replaced so many different parts is if I changed my mobo and CPU.

A new cooling system? If you buy the proper case from the get go you should never have to replace your cooling system. And you should have bought a good disk drive when you built your PC..Again at most, you may have to replace a fan or two, at the super expensive price of around 10 bucks if you want to splurge.

If you build your PC right with an upgrade path in mind from the start, when it comes time to upgrade you will never have a problem. Plan ahead.

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#105 Bebi_vegeta
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besides playing rts games a mouse and keybored always feels wrong to play games withelbert_b_23

Feels great with for FPS.

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#106 Slashless
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Not many of its exclusives interest me and I'm fine with the quality of the Multiplats I am currently receiving.

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#107 rasengan2552
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besides playing rts games a mouse and keybored always feels wrong to play games withelbert_b_23
lol but playing FPS with KBM is the definitive way to play ... how can it feel wrong ? what does this even matter when 360/DS3 gamepads work with PC's ??? why do people keep bringing up controls ? a PC is a higher res console, it can use any USB connected controller something a console can't do.
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#108 lundy86_4
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If a PC gamer owns a Wiimote and nunchuk, chances are that person also owns a Wii, so what's the point going through all of that? I mean, if I knew how to use this control setup on PC I wouldn't bother when my Wii is right here aswell.

Not bothered about playing Skyward Sword in HD with 8xMSAA (my pc probably can't do that anyway.. lol)

NirdBerd

We can't really discuss it, but exactly like you say, higher resolution and AA.

Not the best quality, but you get the idea:

http://vglounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Xenoblade-3.png

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#109 NirdBerd
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[QUOTE="NirdBerd"]

1) Because Tales, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Metroid, Xeno, Red Dead, and the entire JRPG genre don't exist on the PC.

2) Emulate them? Ya I wanna play Tales with a Mouse and Keyboard, also.. call me old fashioned but I like owning the game instead of pirating and emulating it. This is even more important with a series like Tales that needs fan support. Playing Skyward Sword with a mouse and keyboard instead of Wii MotionPlus and a nunchuk? Oh plz..

3) I still play PC games, but I don't upgrade it, there isn't anything on the PC at the moment that grabs me to the point where I want to upgrade my pc and get the best out of it. Maybe I will for The Old Republic, but I heard it's not very taxing on hardware so I may not have to.

4) A PC is only really ideal for FPS, RTS, MMO and WRPGs. FPS is getting boring, I am not interested in RTS, MMO depends on the game, and I dislike WRPGs.

I love how PC elitists brag about how mouse and keyboard is the superior control setup. Ok, that's a fair point and all, but where other than shooting games and RTS can it prove its superiority? and pretty much the majority of PC gamers primarily play the 4 genres I mentioned in the last point.

5) This is a personal reason, but I am left handed, I've tried remapping controls but it doesn't seem to work for me. So I play with the default WASD setup and it's still a bit awkward for me, I've tried numpad, IJKL, PL;' But then it just feels more awkward, I have given myself 1 week with each of the three setups. When you are physically moving something you are going to use your dominant hand, which is why I hold the mouse in my left hand, my wrist is more flexible and easier to control in my left so it's impossible for me to adjust to right hand. Controller doesn't require hand dominance as buttons are controlled by your index finger and thumbs and there is no physical movement beyond your fingers, it feels much more comfortable for me.

rasengan2552

how the hell are you gaving problems with WSAD ? lol you must have long arms or braod shoulders. but you could always i dunno ... get a 360/DS3 controller ?

My arms are normal, I'm 5'9", slim and my hands are normal sized, nothing is wrong with me, are you even left handed? I can play a PC game fine with WSAD but it is not 100% easy with all the controls.

FYI: I have a BUNCH of JRPG for PC, I can't tell you how I got them ... I would copy them to my Steam Library and show them off but some douche would probably see my library and report me for putting "questionably acquired" games on my Steam library.rasengan2552

Right lol

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This a prime example of the BS I was talking about.Unless you haven't upgraded for several years and you built your PC with a terrible foundation of parts from the get go, at most you should only need to upgrade your video card every few years at a cost of MAYBE 200 bucks. You might want to upgrade later and get some ram or whatever but the only time I've ever replaced so many different parts is if I changed my mobo and CPU.

A new cooling system? If you buy the proper case from the get go you should never have to replace your cooling system. And you should have bought a good disk drive when you built your PC..Again at most, you may have to replace a fan or two, at the super expensive price of around 10 bucks if you want to splurge.

If you build your PC right with an upgrade path in mind from the start, when it comes time to upgrade you will never have a problem. Plan ahead.

heretrix

If they buy a pre-built computer, it's probably safe to assume that they will need a new power supply as well. Most come with the bare minimum PSU to get the computer going - I'd say out of the 75-odd machines I've deconstructed the past year, no more than 8 had a PSU that supplied over 400w. At least with Dell desktops circa 2003-2006, which what I've mostly been working with.

Either way, expense is a relative complaint. What isn't expensive to you may be a luxury to someone else. Don't be so presumptuous.

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#111 NirdBerd
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[QUOTE="NirdBerd"]

If a PC gamer owns a Wiimote and nunchuk, chances are that person also owns a Wii, so what's the point going through all of that? I mean, if I knew how to use this control setup on PC I wouldn't bother when my Wii is right here aswell.

Not bothered about playing Skyward Sword in HD with 8xMSAA (my pc probably can't do that anyway.. lol)

lundy86_4

We can't really discuss it, but exactly like you say, higher resolution and AA.

Not the best quality, but you get the idea:

http://vglounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Xenoblade-3.png

But I don't care :S I'm not gonna upgrade my PC for eye candy... That game looks good enough on the Wii anyway.

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[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]besides playing rts games a mouse and keybored always feels wrong to play games withBebi_vegeta

Feels great with for FPS.

i haven't like a fps game in the past few years i doubt it will start now
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#113 lundy86_4
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But I don't care :S I'm not gonna upgrade my PC for eye candy... That game looks good enough on the Wii anyway.

NirdBerd

I'm not saying that you do. My initial point was regarding your idea of it being piracy to emulate (i.e. downloading the game illegally to play), which isn't necessarily the case. Also, regarding possible control schemes.

I wasn't saying, nor implying, that you care :P

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#114 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="NirdBerd"]

If a PC gamer owns a Wiimote and nunchuk, chances are that person also owns a Wii, so what's the point going through all of that? I mean, if I knew how to use this control setup on PC I wouldn't bother when my Wii is right here aswell.

Not bothered about playing Skyward Sword in HD with 8xMSAA (my pc probably can't do that anyway.. lol)

NirdBerd

We can't really discuss it, but exactly like you say, higher resolution and AA.

Not the best quality, but you get the idea:

http://vglounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Xenoblade-3.png

But I don't care :S I'm not gonna upgrade my PC for eye candy... That game looks good enough on the Wii anyway.

its not just eye candy, the game is running smoother. That can greatly improve gameplay ... especially hack and slash combat. Turn based combat animations look a lot smoother as well.

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#115 lundy86_4
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If they buy a pre-built computer, it's probably safe to assume that they will need a new power supply as well. Most come with the bare minimum PSU to get the computer going - I'd say out of the 75-odd machines I've deconstructed the past year, no more than 8 had a PSU that supplied over 400w. At least with Dell desktops circa 2003-2006, which what I've mostly been working with.

Either way, expense is a relative complaint. What isn't expensive to you may be a luxury to someone else. Don't be so presumptuous.

Kickinurass

Yup. Dell's are horrendous for the power supplies, or at least, they were horrendous (dunno about now).

At the end of the day, even a fairly high-wattage PSU may have insufficient amps on the 12v rail, which is far more important in terms of running a GPU.

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#116 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]besides playing rts games a mouse and keybored always feels wrong to play games withelbert_b_23

Feels great with for FPS.

i haven't like a fps game in the past few years i doubt it will start now

Didn't know Brink, Bioshock, Fallout was tha old...

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#117 ShadowMoses900
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The cost to upgrade: Yes it is more expensive and Hermits downplay it. If you want to run a new game well you have to upgrade more than just a graphics card, you have to get a good disc drive and a new cooling system and bunch of other things ect... and none of these are cheap. And these upgrades will only last youa couple years at the most, after that you have to go through the whole process all over again.

heretrix

This a prime example of the BS I was talking about.Unless you haven't upgraded for several years and you built your PC with a terrible foundation of parts from the get go, at most you should only need to upgrade your video card every few years at a cost of MAYBE 200 bucks. You might want to upgrade later and get some ram or whatever but the only time I've ever replaced so many different parts is if I changed my mobo and CPU.

A new cooling system? If you buy the proper case from the get go you should never have to replace your cooling system. And you should have bought a good disk drive when you built your PC..Again at most, you may have to replace a fan or two, at the super expensive price of around 10 bucks if you want to splurge.

If you build your PC right with an upgrade path in mind from the start, when it comes time to upgrade you will never have a problem. Plan ahead.

It's not BS, not everyone is going to drop about $500 (at the least) to upgrade a rig. And that is only the beginniing, you hae to pay for all the other upgrades aswell for the other components and the price goes up even higher. And on top of that it will only last you about 2 or 3 years before you have to spend more money to upgrade all over again, so you see it can get quite pricey. And don't get me started on how much of a headache it can be to get all things to work right and get a smooth performance.

My point is that not everyone wants to spend that much money or time (which can be frustrating) to play games. I don't care about the performance or graphics, because while it is better but it's not THAT much better IMO. Not how Hermits make it out to be, the console versions look and play just fine. Like I said my post was going to piss off Hermits because they are just as bad as other fanboys, but it's the truth.Console gamers arn't peasants, PC fanboys are.

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#118 Kickinurass
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

If they buy a pre-built computer, it's probably safe to assume that they will need a new power supply as well. Most come with the bare minimum PSU to get the computer going - I'd say out of the 75-odd machines I've deconstructed the past year, no more than 8 had a PSU that supplied over 400w. At least with Dell desktops circa 2003-2006, which what I've mostly been working with.

Either way, expense is a relative complaint. What isn't expensive to you may be a luxury to someone else. Don't be so presumptuous.

lundy86_4

Yup. Dell's are horrendous for the power supplies, or at least, they were horrendous (dunno about now).

At the end of the day, even a fairly high-wattage PSU may have insufficient amps on the 12v rail, which is far more important in terms of running a GPU.

Definitely something I paid attention to. My boss had a power supply that just barely supplied enough power for two mid-range AMD cards. Melted the plastic and fried the motherboard. I don't even remember if the graphics cards were okay, but I remember trading in a CoolerMaster GX series PSU for a TruePower New because I was afraid of something similar happening to me.

Wouldn't suggest anyone skimp on a reliable PSU - recipe for disaster.

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#119 lundy86_4
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It's not BS, not everyone is going to drop about $500 (at the least) to upgrade a rig.

ShadowMoses900

My brother just upgraded for the first time in almost 4 years, and it cost him less than $300. It'll last him another 3-4 years easily. All he needed was a new GPU.

And don't get me started on how much of a headache it can be to get all things to work right and get a smooth performance.

ShadowMoses900

Whilst issues arise, there are hardly enough that it will take up even close to 5% of your game time. Unless, of course, you game around an hour a week. I haven't had an issue with compatability in almost 2 years, and that includes CTD and BSOD.

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Definitely something I paid attention to. My boss had a power supply that just barely supplied enough power for two mid-range AMD cards. Melted the plastic and fried the motherboard. I don't even remember if the graphics cards were okay, but I remember trading in a CoolerMaster GX series PSU for a TruePower New because I was afraid of something similar happening to me.

Wouldn't suggest anyone skimp on a reliable PSU - recipe for disaster.

Kickinurass

It's crazy what a bad PSU can do to a computer. They can certainly take out multiple components, which is exactly what happened with your boss. Terrible luck :P

Personally, I rarely skimp anywhere. If you have to, then I agree, do not skimp on the PSU. On a new build, i'll throw in the $100-$200 for a reliable PSU. A good one now will last you through quite a few upgrades.

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#122 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

This a prime example of the BS I was talking about.Unless you haven't upgraded for several years and you built your PC with a terrible foundation of parts from the get go, at most you should only need to upgrade your video card every few years at a cost of MAYBE 200 bucks. You might want to upgrade later and get some ram or whatever but the only time I've ever replaced so many different parts is if I changed my mobo and CPU.

A new cooling system? If you buy the proper case from the get go you should never have to replace your cooling system. And you should have bought a good disk drive when you built your PC..Again at most, you may have to replace a fan or two, at the super expensive price of around 10 bucks if you want to splurge.

If you build your PC right with an upgrade path in mind from the start, when it comes time to upgrade you will never have a problem. Plan ahead.

Kickinurass

If they buy a pre-built computer, it's probably safe to assume that they will need a new power supply as well. Most come with the bare minimum PSU to get the computer going - I'd say out of the 75-odd machines I've deconstructed the past year, no more than 8 had a PSU that supplied over 400w. At least with Dell desktops circa 2003-2006, which what I've mostly been working with.

Either way, expense is a relative complaint. What isn't expensive to you may be a luxury to someone else. Don't be so presumptuous.

so basically what you are saying is that the machines that you are dealing with are several years old and will need several parts replaced before you can game properly on them.

That sounds really fam...Oh that's right, that's what I said already.

How is what he said any less presumptious than what I said? The way he phrased it was like that's something every PC owner has to go through which is total BS.

Expense is a relative complaint but it won't be much of an issue if you plan ahead. How is that wrong? If you buy or build the right PC you won't have to upgrade as much, even if you are building a budget PC. I'm not trying to down people who don't have the cash to spend on parts. Don't even try and spin it like that.

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#123 rasengan2552
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My arms are normal, I'm 5'9", slim and my hands are normal sized, nothing is wrong with me, are you even left handed? I can play a PC game fine with WSAD but it is not 100% easy with all the controls.NirdBerd

Look to the right side of your keyboard ^":\ left handed alternative for WASD

Right lolNirdBerd

You can JRPG on PC, just be resourceful.

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#124 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It's not BS, not everyone is going to drop about $500 (at the least) to upgrade a rig.

lundy86_4

My brother just upgraded for the first time in almost 4 years, and it cost him less than $300. It'll last him another 3-4 years easily. All he needed was a new GPU.

And don't get me started on how much of a headache it can be to get all things to work right and get a smooth performance.

ShadowMoses900

Whilst issues arise, there are hardly enough that it will take up even close to 5% of your game time. Unless, of course, you game around an hour a week. I haven't had an issue with compatability in almost 2 years, and that includes CTD and BSOD.

Well your brothers situation isn't everyones. I wanted a gaming PC because some people hyped it out to be this amazing gaming experience, so I set out trying to do it butI found out how expesnive it would be. I'm talking about more than GPU here, all the components. And there are more issues but you seem to be downplaying, mabey you don't have them, good for you.

But im MY experience it's a confuisng nightmare and I jsut gave up, for instance I wanted to play Withcer 2 (why I upgraded my PC in the first place) but I kept having it crash back to my desktop after awhile because of some stupid error, it says "something somehting dlln error" or something close to that. What else is odd is that since I upgraded I can't play some of my older PC games, like Republic Commando won't work at all for me.

PC gaming has it's advantges, but IMO the money and hassle far outweigh them.

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#125 heretrix
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It's not BS, not everyone is going to drop about $500 (at the least) to upgrade a rig. And that is only the beginniing, you hae to pay for all the other upgrades aswell for the other components and the price goes up even higher.

ShadowMoses900

It is BS. Not everyone needs to drop 500 dollars..My last PC upgrade was 169 dollars for a GTX 460 in Dec 2010.I didn't need to do anything else.

I built my PC in 2007.

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#126 farslip
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You can JRPG on PC, just be resourceful.

rasengan2552

I sent you a pm asking about that.

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#127 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The cost to upgrade: Yes it is more expensive and Hermits downplay it. If you want to run a new game well you have to upgrade more than just a graphics card, you have to get a good disc drive and a new cooling system and bunch of other things ect... and none of these are cheap. And these upgrades will only last youa couple years at the most, after that you have to go through the whole process all over again.

ShadowMoses900

This a prime example of the BS I was talking about.Unless you haven't upgraded for several years and you built your PC with a terrible foundation of parts from the get go, at most you should only need to upgrade your video card every few years at a cost of MAYBE 200 bucks. You might want to upgrade later and get some ram or whatever but the only time I've ever replaced so many different parts is if I changed my mobo and CPU.

A new cooling system? If you buy the proper case from the get go you should never have to replace your cooling system. And you should have bought a good disk drive when you built your PC..Again at most, you may have to replace a fan or two, at the super expensive price of around 10 bucks if you want to splurge.

If you build your PC right with an upgrade path in mind from the start, when it comes time to upgrade you will never have a problem. Plan ahead.

It's not BS, not everyone is going to drop about $500 (at the least) to upgrade a rig. And that is only the beginniing, you hae to pay for all the other upgrades aswell for the other components and the price goes up even higher. And on top of that it will only last you about 2 or 3 years before you have to spend more money to upgrade all over again, so you see it can get quite pricey. And don't get me started on how much of a headache it can be to get all things to work right and get a smooth performance.

My point is that not everyone wants to spend that much money or time (which can be frustrating) to play games. I don't care about the performance or graphics, because while it is better but it's not THAT much better IMO. Not how Hermits make it out to be, the console versions look and play just fine. Like I said my post was going to piss off Hermits because they are just as bad as other fanboys, but it's the truth.Console gamers arn't peasants, PC fanboys are.

This is BS... If you know how to upgrade and when to upgrade... and if needed, you can save plenty of money.

If you don't know... then for sure PC was never ment for you.

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#129 lundy86_4
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Well your brothers situation isn't everyones. I wanted a gaming PC because some people hyped it out to be this amazing gaming experience, so I set out trying to do it butI found out how expesnive it would be. I'm talking about more than GPU here, all the components. And there are more issues but you seem to be downplaying, mabey you don't have them, good for you.

ShadowMoses900

I never stated it was. Regardless, it shows that with a reasonable amount of foresight (in this case, barely any), then you can limit expenditure.

What components? Sockets and motherboard types can go through multiple upgrades without the need to update them. Stick a good enough CPU in at the time, and the CPU will outlast a few upgrades. Overclock for even longer. Buy a relatively good cooler and you won't need to upgrade it full stop.

What issues are you alluding to. BSOD and CTD are the most virulent, and yet i've not experienced them in a long time.

But im MY experience it's a confuisng nightmare and I jsut gave up, for instance I wanted to play Withcer 2 (why I upgraded my PC in the first place) but I kept having it crash back to my desktop after awhile because of some stupid error, it says "something somehting dlln error" or something close to that. What else is odd is that since I upgraded I can't play some of my older PC games, like Republic Commando won't work at all for me.

PC gaming has it's advantges, but IMO the money and hassle far outweigh them.

ShadowMoses900

You got a .DLL error? Usually a simple download of the DLL file fixes it. Odd though, as I haven't had a single crash for The Witcher 2. I stopped playing after a while, but I put a good 10-15 hours into the game.

Older PC games sometimes have issues. That's to do with any number of reasons. Still, for the most part, you have to go back a fair ways to get it. I know KOTOR or KOTOR II had issues with later OS' (fixed for some). I have KOTOR on Steam however, and it runs great in Windows 7 without any modifications.

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#132 Arach666
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Damn Bebi_vegeta,quadruple post? :o Glitchspot is messed up lol.
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#134 NirdBerd
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[QUOTE="NirdBerd"]My arms are normal, I'm 5'9", slim and my hands are normal sized, nothing is wrong with me, are you even left handed? I can play a PC game fine with WSAD but it is not 100% easy with all the controls.rasengan2552

Look to the right side of your keyboard ^":\ left handed alternative for WASD

Right lolNirdBerd

You can JRPG on PC, just be resourceful.

Did you read my post :S I said I've tried lefty setups. IJKL, PL;' and the Numpad are all on the right side.

The least you could do is name me some PC JRPGs ;_;

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#135 heretrix
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Well your brothers situation isn't everyones. I wanted a gaming PC because some people hyped it out to be this amazing gaming experience, so I set out trying to do it butI found out how expesnive it would be. I'm talking about more than GPU here, all the components. And there are more issues but you seem to be downplaying, mabey you don't have them, good for you.

But im MY experience it's a confuisng nightmare and I jsut gave up, for instance I wanted to play Withcer 2 (why I upgraded my PC in the first place) but I kept having it crash back to my desktop after awhile because of some stupid error, it says "something somehting dlln error" or something close to that. What else is odd is that since I upgraded I can't play some of my older PC games, like Republic Commando won't work at all for me.

PC gaming has it's advantges, but IMO the money and hassle far outweigh them.

ShadowMoses900

Here's your problem. You set about to do something (incorrectly, I might add) failed and them blamed PCs for your failure. I won't get on you about inexperience and all of that because it's obvious you don't know a lot about PCs. What I will say here is that you should stick with it a bit more. It sounds like you gave up too quickly.

Lets take it back here a bit. You are trying to equate your experience to what would be an average experience to anyone trying to setup a gaming rig.

Maybe you shouldn't have tried to upgrade and instead should have started from scratch. It sounds like you needed to do a bit more research.There comes a time when upgrading isn't practical. Buy a couple of pieces at a time or see if you can buy parts that you can use in your old PC that will be compatible in your new one, that way you don't just have parts laying around unused. Your experience isn't what everyone isn't going to go through, just as, contrary to what some people have said, I know there lots of people who don't want to or can't drop 800 bucks in one shot on a completely new rig like I did.

I apologize for jumping on you like that.

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#136 Kickinurass
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

This a prime example of the BS I was talking about.Unless you haven't upgraded for several years and you built your PC with a terrible foundation of parts from the get go, at most you should only need to upgrade your video card every few years at a cost of MAYBE 200 bucks. You might want to upgrade later and get some ram or whatever but the only time I've ever replaced so many different parts is if I changed my mobo and CPU.

A new cooling system? If you buy the proper case from the get go you should never have to replace your cooling system. And you should have bought a good disk drive when you built your PC..Again at most, you may have to replace a fan or two, at the super expensive price of around 10 bucks if you want to splurge.

If you build your PC right with an upgrade path in mind from the start, when it comes time to upgrade you will never have a problem. Plan ahead.

heretrix

If they buy a pre-built computer, it's probably safe to assume that they will need a new power supply as well. Most come with the bare minimum PSU to get the computer going - I'd say out of the 75-odd machines I've deconstructed the past year, no more than 8 had a PSU that supplied over 400w. At least with Dell desktops circa 2003-2006, which what I've mostly been working with.

Either way, expense is a relative complaint. What isn't expensive to you may be a luxury to someone else. Don't be so presumptuous.

so basically what you are saying is that the machines that you are dealing with are several years old and will need several parts replaced before you can game properly on them.

That sounds really fam...Oh that's right, that's what I said already.

How is what he said any less presumptious than what I said? The way he phrased it was like that's something every PC owner has to go through which is total BS.

Expense is a relative complaint but it won't be much of an issue if you plan ahead. How is that wrong? If you buy or build the right PC you won't have to upgrade as much, even if you are building a budget PC. I'm not trying to down people who don't have the cash to spend on parts. Don't even try and spin it like that.

I wasn't try to be confrontational. It was more just stating a common problem with pre-built rigs, which is what I assume the common user goes for. It's wouldn't be expensive for someone on this board to upgrade, but depending on the circumstance it could very well be expensive for some people. It's not a matter of planning ahead - for all we know a simple Dell desktop could have been all the needed at the time and then something came up that necessitated a stronger machine.

Your post gave me the impression that you were claiming that upgrading PC's aren't expensive and those that complain simply don't have the forethough to plan ahead, which I consider to be a pretty presumptuous way of thing for the reason I detailed above. As for the post you responded to I'll be truthful - I didn't even bother reading whatever post you responded to. I have selective reading :P

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#137 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

You can JRPG on PC, just be resourceful.

farslip

I sent you a pm asking about that.

I'll tell a little bit right now. Dolphin > DD that can read Wii storage medium > convert games to .WAD> Play off Steam or launch off desktop. its a lot more time consuming than what I posted but you can read between the lines.
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#139 lawlessx
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for the love of god somebody stop Bebi_Vegeta :lol:
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#140 Bebi_vegeta
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Damn Bebi_vegeta,quadruple post? :o Glitchspot is messed up lol.Arach666

LOL, everytime it refreshed the page it gave me error... and said to comeback in a few minutes... sorry!

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#141 Arach666
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for the love of god somebody stop Bebi_Vegeta :lol:lawlessx
I think he noticed now. :P
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#142 rasengan2552
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I sent you a pm asking about that.farslip

download a Dolphin "uknowhat"

> purchase disc drive that can read Wii storage medium

> convert games to .WAD > launch off desktop.

>configure settings

> play

*and if you have Steam you can add Dolphin games to your steam library and track hours.

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#143 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

If they buy a pre-built computer, it's probably safe to assume that they will need a new power supply as well. Most come with the bare minimum PSU to get the computer going - I'd say out of the 75-odd machines I've deconstructed the past year, no more than 8 had a PSU that supplied over 400w. At least with Dell desktops circa 2003-2006, which what I've mostly been working with.

Either way, expense is a relative complaint. What isn't expensive to you may be a luxury to someone else. Don't be so presumptuous.

Kickinurass

so basically what you are saying is that the machines that you are dealing with are several years old and will need several parts replaced before you can game properly on them.

That sounds really fam...Oh that's right, that's what I said already.

How is what he said any less presumptious than what I said? The way he phrased it was like that's something every PC owner has to go through which is total BS.

Expense is a relative complaint but it won't be much of an issue if you plan ahead. How is that wrong? If you buy or build the right PC you won't have to upgrade as much, even if you are building a budget PC. I'm not trying to down people who don't have the cash to spend on parts. Don't even try and spin it like that.

I wasn't try to be confrontational. It was more just stating a common problem with pre-built rigs, which is what I assume the common user goes for. It's wouldn't be expensive for someone on this board to upgrade, but depending on the circumstance it could very well be expensive for some people. It's not a matter of planning ahead - for all we know a simple Dell desktop could have been all the needed at the time and then something came up that necessitated a stronger machine.

Your post gave me the impression that you were claiming that upgrading PC's aren't expensive and those that complain simply don't have the forethough to plan ahead, which I consider to be a pretty presumptuous way of thing for the reason I detailed above. As for the post you responded to I'll be truthful - I didn't even bother reading whatever post you responded to. I have selective reading :P

Cool. It's all good. I'm just gettin' my hermit on today for some reason. lol.

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#144 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]Damn Bebi_vegeta,quadruple post? :o Glitchspot is messed up lol.Bebi_vegeta

LOL, everytime it refreshed the page it gave me error... and said to comeback in a few minutes... sorry!

:lol:

Hilarious. If it gives you the bonk message, it's been posted, it just doesn't update anything. Frustrating as all hell.

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#145 rasengan2552
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I sent you a pm asking about that.farslip

download a Dolphin "uknowhat"

> purchase disc drive that can read Wii storage medium

> convert games to .WAD

> launch off desktop.

>configure settings

> play

*and if you have Steam you can add Dolphin games to your steam library and track hours.

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#146 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]Damn Bebi_vegeta,quadruple post? :o Glitchspot is messed up lol.Bebi_vegeta

LOL, everytime it refreshed the page it gave me error... and said to comeback in a few minutes... sorry!

It's all good. That just made this thread abit more entertaining lol
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#147 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Damn Bebi_vegeta,quadruple post? :o Glitchspot is messed up lol.lundy86_4

LOL, everytime it refreshed the page it gave me error... and said to comeback in a few minutes... sorry!

:lol:

Hilarious. If it gives you the bonk message, it's been posted, it just doesn't update anything. Frustrating as all hell.

LLOL, that's exactly what happens... I guess it's my lucky night!

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#148 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]Damn Bebi_vegeta,quadruple post? :o Glitchspot is messed up lol.Bebi_vegeta

LOL, everytime it refreshed the page it gave me error... and said to comeback in a few minutes... sorry!

Yeah I know,when that screen appears just hit back in the browser and refresh,but yeah it´s really annoying when it happens lol.

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#149 lundy86_4
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LLOL, that's exactly what happens... I guess it's my lucky night!

Bebi_vegeta

I have no idea why the s**t it hasn't been fixed yet.

It amuses though :P

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#150 Bebi_vegeta
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Well hopefully I made my point! lol