Why even get the Orange Box for the 360?

The 360 version is just as good as the PC version, taken from the Eurogamer review of Orange box,

One thing we haven't discussed so far is how the games fare on their transition to 360 and PS3. The latter we still cannot comment on (Valve couldn't even show it to us when we travelled to its office), but if the former is anything to go by then the answer is this: perfect. In terms of visuals, Valve has managed to get all elements of the package running in full 1080p, with full detail, and no hint of frame-rate loss.

Running on a big HD screen, the game has never looked better or felt more immersive - even more so if you're blessed with a decent 5.1 audio set-up. Load times (or reload times) are minimal, spooling data off the disk for ten seconds every five minutes or so, and reloading the game roughly as quickly after a death. Better still, the game has an excellent autosave system (which even remembers to retain the previous autosave, should the game accidentally autosave itself, say, just as one of you is about to die - as happened once) and there are none of the stutters or hitches that once were the bane of PC owners a few years back.

The only area some of you might get a bit sniffy about is how the game feels on a joypad. As someone who was forced to adapt to FPS control on a joypad after years of preferring mouse control, I can assure you that Valve has done a fantastic job. Not once does the game cop out by giving you auto-aim, but manages to make every game feel every bit as slick and smooth as it ever did on the PC.

Take Portal, for example. Later in the game when you're rotating in mid-air, diving headlong into the ground and shooting portals from up high, you desperately need a degree of instant precision that joypads don't offer - yet the game felt every bit as playable despite this. It's a case of what you're used to - and fortunately the arrival of the game on three formats caters for everyone's preferences in style,

they gave the PC and 360 version 10/10 by the way, let people play the game on whatever system they want, some people just don't do PC gaming...me

cause i dont have a gaming PC, also that would be embarassing...almost as much so as if my friends knew i posted here.Utensilman

Possibly the funniest thing I have read on here. So true for me as well

The whole "i'm getting it because my PC is crap" arguement is pretty sad. My 4 year old PC can still max out Half Life 2 and it still looks better than the 360 version. Runs faster and has a higher resolution.

The whole point of a game like TF2 is also to customize with your own maps,models,sounds,etc. What happens when you are bored of the TF2 maps on the 360 version? You can do nothing.

It baffles me that people would buy it for the 360 even though they have a rig that can run it just fine

This is coming from a hardcore lemming too.

Xbox360Fanboy12

totally agree. FPS games are soo much better on a pc. It's also cheaper. And I don't like playing games on my 360 unless I have to.

The main reason is that I'll be able to play with my XBL chums. I've been having the gaming time of my life with them for 5-6 years now, they're awesome!

Plus, I already own the HL Xmas edition which has HL1, HL1 DM, HL2, HL2 DM and HL2 Episode 1. As you see, I have no need to get it again.

SgtWhiskeyjack

[QUOTE="konichiwa21"]because i already have half life 2 on pc ? and there is no communication on pcskrat_01

Ugh.

Most ignorant comment ever.

I hope that was sarcastic or witty - or somthing.

There is communication but hardly anyone usethem and not everyone has a mic but that is different on the xbox side where mics are widely used. Why do people care so much which system is preferred? Not everyone likes playing on computers and not everyone has a 3D video card.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="konichiwa21"]because i already have half life 2 on pc ? and there is no communication on pcDeihmos

Ugh.

Most ignorant comment ever.

I hope that was sarcastic or witty - or somthing.

There is communication but hardly anyone use it and not everyone has a mic on PC but that is different on the xbox side. Why do people care so much whichsystem is preferred? Not everyone likes playing on computers and not everyone has a 3D video card.

Talking in games is over rated, most people have nothing of value to say, just lots of mumbling and heavy breathing with the odd swear word thrown in when they don't get what they want.

It's kinda strange being in a Halo 3 lobby, everyone's got ther mic plugged in but no one talks, people just want to play . they don't want to make small talk with people they don't know and can't see.

Unwrap new game, put disc in tray, play within a minute. People on my friends list are getting it.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Talking in games is over rated, most people have nothing of value to say, just lots of mumbling and heavy breathing with the odd swear word thrown in when they don't get what they want.

It's kinda strange being in a Halo 3 lobby, everyone's got ther mic plugged in but no one talks, people just want to play . they don't want to make small talk with people they don't know and can't see.

Nick-M40A3

cause i dont have a gaming PC, also that would be embarassing...almost as much so as if my friends knew i posted here.Utensilman

Whoa your friends must be so cool :roll: :lol:

Half Life is a very arcade style shooter with a amazing amount of immersion that works a treat with a controller. I've played it on my laptop (2.3ghz duo, nvidia 512mb gtx, 2gigs) on near full, though HD lighting puts a lot of stress on other areas in Episode 1. I hope with 360's edram memory will help the lighting without to much of a hit on the AA.

I am going to now buy it for the 360. Why?? So what I can have a slight better rez, the effects on the 360 will likely be better with probably better HD lighting. I also prefer online 360 to PC. Graphics are a small part of gaming its nice to have them but like Halo3 showed other things are a lot more important.

- If it is a jagfest than I may dl from Steam for my PC. But HL2 is a game that should be great on the 360. (fingers crossed)...

Because console newbs suck at FPS, and have to play the dumb down version on the 360. Finale-

no, actually taking into consideration of analog stick aim, most 360 gamers are ok at fps. why dont you play your crysis or halo or something with an x360 pad, see how you do.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Bigger isn't better either, as far as monitors are concerned, - a $1000 40" HDTV obviously doesn't have the same picture quality as a $1000 20" studio-quality monitor. Sit at the appropriate viewing distance, and they both fill the same amount of your vision - the only things that's left to do is cry at the startling difference in image fidelity.

The TC is correct, playing this game on the 360 is a sin. donalbane

I have a futon on the floor in front of my tv. As a result, I can play prostrate, beer by the ready. I'm sorry, but there isn't a computer chair in the world I'd rather sit on than that wonderful, faux suede futon of mine. And that's not even mentioning the difference inthe size of my home entertainment speakers to my pc speakers, both of which are 5.1.

If playing the 360 version is a sin, I'll see you in hell.

The Xbox 360 version of Orange Box is an absolute sin, you're taking a game designed for PC, crippling it, removing it from its community, and slapping a Microsoft logo on the side. If that's what you want, so be it. You're already in hell, it's called System Wars.

people who get it for the360 will not have to deal with VALVE!!!!!!!!

The Xbox 360 version of Orange Box is an absolute sin, you're taking a game designed for PC, crippling it, removing it from its community, and slapping a Microsoft logo on the side. If that's what you want, so be it. You're already in hell, it's called System Wars. subrosian

I hope the Orange Box does sell more on the 360 so more precious PC games will be crippled so more people will have stuff to complain about on message boards.

It obviously is the fuel that keeps your fire burning. And then you'll be forced to join us in hell.

Muahahahaahah.

[QUOTE="Finale-"]Because console newbs suck at FPS, and have to play the dumb down version on the 360. Kurrupt07

no, actually taking into consideration of analog stick aim, most 360 gamers are ok at fps. why dont you play your crysis or halo or something with an x360 pad, see how you do.

My 5/6 year old computer:

AMD Athlon 1.15 GHz, 768 MB RAM

NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 MODEL 64/64 PRO (an emergency replacement card after my original ATI RADEON tanked)

that ain't running ****

You're already in hell, it's called System Wars. subrosian

Hilarious! Yeah, I plan on building my nextPC such that I can hook it up to my TV... but for now, my PC sux. I see your point, it's just not practical to assume everyone has a decent PC.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]The Xbox 360 version of Orange Box is an absolute sin, you're taking a game designed for PC, crippling it, removing it from its community, and slapping a Microsoft logo on the side. If that's what you want, so be it. You're already in hell, it's called System Wars. Jandurin

I hope the Orange Box does sell more on the 360 so more precious PC games will be crippled so more people will have stuff to complain about on message boards.

It obviously is the fuel that keeps your fire burning. And then you'll be forced to join us in hell.

Muahahahaahah.

What "fuels my fire"? You don't know me very well at all - this place is hell because of the amount of misinformation, and because people who call themselves "gamers" would rather have ports, and *cheer* for potentially ground-breaking games to do badly, simply so their chosen system could win.

For someone who has a sig that says "no fanboy is safe" you sure seem to enjoy joining the 360 fans in their revelery.
subrosian

I prefer for more people to have access to a game than perfection of a game.

I prefer gaming to complaining. I'm just ****ing happy I don't have to wait a year before I can play this game. Maybe, if you were in my position and not able to run HL2 or had a place to keep a PC, you'd understand.

But, as you seem way too into perfection and not possibility, I doubt you could remove yourself from your own shoes and try on someone elses.

And, to be honest, I do like the 360. There aren't many games I want on it now. But, they're coming. Orange Box is one of the big motivators. A bunch of my friends that I grew up with are going to get it for the 360, and it'll be fun to play with them. A LOT of fun. Stop being such a snob.

Just because the 360 isn't perfect, or it "dumbs down games" doesn't mean it can't be a perfectly acceptable system.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]You're already in hell, it's called System Wars. donalbane

Hilarious! Yeah, I plan on building my nextPC such that I can hook it up to my TV... but for now, my PC sux. I see your point, it's just not practical to assume everyone has a decent PC.

because everybody doesnt have a PC that can run it :|darkmagician06

[QUOTE="darkmagician06"]because everybody doesnt have a PC that can run it :|LockeAteid

The whole "i'm getting it because my PC is crap" arguement is pretty sad. My 4 year old PC can still max out Half Life 2 and it still looks better than the 360 version. Runs faster and has a higher resolution.

The whole point of a game like TF2 is also to customize with your own maps,models,sounds,etc. What happens when you are bored of the TF2 maps on the 360 version? You can do nothing.

It baffles me that people would buy it for the 360 even though they have a rig that can run it just fine

This is coming from a hardcore lemming too.

Xbox360Fanboy12

1. I can run it on my PC, but at very minimum settings.

2. I like console gaming more.

3. The XBL online is much more friendly for multi-player.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]
What "fuels my fire"? You don't know me very well at all - this place is hell because of the amount of misinformation, and because people who call themselves "gamers" would rather have ports, and *cheer* for potentially ground-breaking games to do badly, simply so their chosen system could win.

For someone who has a sig that says "no fanboy is safe" you sure seem to enjoy joining the 360 fans in their revelery.
Jandurin

I prefer for more people to have access to a game than perfection of a game.

I prefer gaming to complaining. I'm just ****ing happy I don't have to wait a year before I can play this game. Maybe, if you were in my position and not able to run HL2 or had a place to keep a PC, you'd understand.

But, as you seem way too into perfection and not possibility, I doubt you could remove yourself from your own shoes and try on someone elses.

And, to be honest, I do like the 360. There aren't many games I want on it now. But, they're coming. Orange Box is one of the big motivators. A bunch of my friends that I grew up with are going to get it for the 360, and it'll be fun to play with them. A LOT of fun. Stop being such a snob.

Just because the 360 isn't perfect, or it "dumbs down games" doesn't mean it can't be a perfectly acceptable system.

To be clear, depending on how the modding community takes to TF2, when I get a place for a PC, I'll buy TF2 for the PC. :P

I've rarely had as much fun as I have with all the crazy maps and modes of Quake Team Fortress.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="konichiwa21"]because i already have half life 2 on pc ? and there is no communication on pcDeihmos

Ugh.

Most ignorant comment ever.

I hope that was sarcastic or witty - or somthing.

There is communication but hardly anyone usethem and not everyone has a mic but that is different on the xbox side where mics are widely used. Why do people care so much which system is preferred? Not everyone likes playing on computers and not everyone has a 3D video card.

And there are 13 million + STEAM users............

And more people have video cards than onboard video dontchaknow. No comparison. And yea if its your personal preferance fair nuff, but communication on PC is far superiour compared to XBL.

Hell STEAM even has VOIP, not crappy compressed audio of XBL.

And this is comming from someone who has been playing Halo 3 online far more than Steam games in the last month.

You'd rather be lied to than hear the truth?

As a gamer I will always take perfection before accessibility. Making something appeal to everyone involves removing everything that made it worthwhile in the first place.

The truth is still there *regardless* of whether I say it. The game does not *change* because I have pointed out the fatal flaw, all that has changed is how you choose to perceive it. If you are happy playing the lesser version, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that for you - it meets your needs, it is your choice, and it should not make you consider yourself less of a person.

However, I have said it before, and I will say it again - I have a zero tolerance policy for BS.

At this point, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say the Xbox 360 "dumbs down game" - I said that Orange Box on the 360 is the inferior version of the game, because Half-Life 2 was built with the PC in mind, and the mod community is such an integral part of the game experience. Obviously a game built for the 360 can be as simple or complex as the designer wants.

I know there are people in the world who want to live in a fantasy - those people should probably avoid a forum where people critically discuss pretty much anything related to gaming. If it meets your needs, that's fine, but that does not *change* that the TC raises a worthwhile point - the game doesn't require a monstrous PC - for some people, playing it on console will be a preference, but they are placing a *platform preference* before playing the best version.


subrosian

I don't understand. You'll assert that the 360 version of this game is a SIN... now, I'm not religious, but a SIN is basically an EVIL, right? A dirty thing that shouldn't exist and should never be discussed? I guess I assumed you believed that because you thought the 360 was dumbing something down, I guess you have your own reasons.

The world is a fantasy. What you perceive and what I perceive are different things. As such, reality is a construct of the mind, a fantasy.

The 360 version is just as good as the PC version, taken from the Eurogamer review of Orange box,

review

they gave the PC and 360 version 10/10 by the way, let people play the game on whatever system they want, some people just don't do PC gaming...me

Nick-M40A3

The PC version is far superiour in many instances - yea I could be an obnoxius prick and list them, but I'll isolate one point why the PC version kills the console ones - rendering them vastly inferior.

Mods.

The amount of AMAZING HL2 mods is astounding. No really its worth getting HL2 just for the mods - there are soo many that are so good - and so many that are better than full retail games.

Even my 9600XT runs HL2 on high settings.................

But if you swing the way of the consoles only.......... Well its a pity your missing out - but at least you are getting the best FPS ever on your luvverly console :)

3. The XBL online is much more friendly for multi-player.

Cry0Tek

Hell STEAM alone >>>>>>>>> XBL - thanks to the addition of communities and loads of other fancy things. Bundled with Xfire and its a killer combo.

The whole "i'm getting it because my PC is crap" arguement is pretty sad. My 4 year old PC can still max out Half Life 2 and it still looks better than the 360 version. Runs faster and has a higher resolution.

The whole point of a game like TF2 is also to customize with your own maps,models,sounds,etc. What happens when you are bored of the TF2 maps on the 360 version? You can do nothing.

It baffles me that people would buy it for the 360 even though they have a rig that can run it just fine

This is coming from a hardcore lemming too.

Xbox360Fanboy12

The whole "i'm getting it because my PC is crap" arguement is pretty sad. My 4 year old PC can still max out Half Life 2 and it still looks better than the 360 version. Runs faster and has a higher resolution.

The whole point of a game like TF2 is also to customize with your own maps,models,sounds,etc. What happens when you are bored of the TF2 maps on the 360 version? You can do nothing.

It baffles me that people would buy it for the 360 even though they have a rig that can run it just fine

This is coming from a hardcore lemming too.

Xbox360Fanboy12

Ya sure its coming from a hardcore lemming..... The same thing would go for PS3 why get it for the PS3 if you can get for the PC? This is pointless... people buy it for the 360 who enjoy the 360 and don't havea pc capable of doing so. Is it that hard to understand? Its the samething for the PC, and PS3 because they enjoy their systems. wow :|

[QUOTE="Cry0Tek"]

3. The XBL online is much more friendly for multi-player.

skrat_01

Hell STEAM alone >>>>>>>>> XBL - thanks to the addition of communities and loads of other fancy things. Bundled with Xfire and its a killer combo.

Sorry forgot to impliment user friendly and compatability issues aren't an issue for consoles. EX: microphones, graphics cards, etc.Bleh more than I want to mess with thanks. I'll just pop the disc in and play.

I want the achievments and I can always just buy Team Fortress 2 on Steam for 30 bucks instead of 50... I mean what is the point when I have HL2 on Steam already?

HL is a SP game, so KB+M has no real effect, same with portal. Only thing PC has a big impact on is TF2, which is MP and mods.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Cry0Tek"]

3. The XBL online is much more friendly for multi-player.

Cry0Tek

Hell STEAM alone >>>>>>>>> XBL - thanks to the addition of communities and loads of other fancy things. Bundled with Xfire and its a killer combo.

Sorry forgot to impliment user friendly and compatability issues aren't an issue for consoles. EX: microphones, graphics cards, etc.Bleh more than I want to mess with thanks. I'll just pop the disc in and play.

Steam is increadably user friendly - and there are not any compadibility issues - as I said which explains 13 million users.
There are how many XBL Gold users?

Looks like you have detracted your argument from 'much more friendly for multiplayer' to 'my PC cant run it'.

Tsk tsk.

I want the achievments and I can always just buy Team Fortress 2 on Steam for 30 bucks instead of 50... I mean what is the point when I have HL2 on Steam already?

HL is a SP game, so KB+M has no real effect, same with portal. Only thing PC has a big impact on is TF2, which is MP and mods.

BlazeDragon132

And you can buy the Black box over Digital Distribution - EP2 + TF2 + Portal for a measly amount.

Oh and MODs.

Still if you swing that way, mmmkay.

[QUOTE="Cry0Tek"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Cry0Tek"]

3. The XBL online is much more friendly for multi-player.

skrat_01

Hell STEAM alone >>>>>>>>> XBL - thanks to the addition of communities and loads of other fancy things. Bundled with Xfire and its a killer combo.

Sorry forgot to impliment user friendly and compatability issues aren't an issue for consoles. EX: microphones, graphics cards, etc.Bleh more than I want to mess with thanks. I'll just pop the disc in and play.

Steam is increadably user friendly - and there are not any compadibility issues - as I said which explains 13 million users.
There are how many XBL Gold users?

Looks like you have detracted your argument from 'much more friendly for multiplayer' to 'my PC cant run it'.

Tsk tsk.

The only problem I have with Steam is that you need online to play SP games. So if your internet is down, you can't play Half Life, which sticks.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

You'd rather be lied to than hear the truth?

As a gamer I will always take perfection before accessibility. Making something appeal to everyone involves removing everything that made it worthwhile in the first place.

The truth is still there *regardless* of whether I say it. The game does not *change* because I have pointed out the fatal flaw, all that has changed is how you choose to perceive it. If you are happy playing the lesser version, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that for you - it meets your needs, it is your choice, and it should not make you consider yourself less of a person.

However, I have said it before, and I will say it again - I have a zero tolerance policy for BS.

At this point, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say the Xbox 360 "dumbs down game" - I said that Orange Box on the 360 is the inferior version of the game, because Half-Life 2 was built with the PC in mind, and the mod community is such an integral part of the game experience. Obviously a game built for the 360 can be as simple or complex as the designer wants.

I know there are people in the world who want to live in a fantasy - those people should probably avoid a forum where people critically discuss pretty much anything related to gaming. If it meets your needs, that's fine, but that does not *change* that the TC raises a worthwhile point - the game doesn't require a monstrous PC - for some people, playing it on console will be a preference, but they are placing a *platform preference* before playing the best version.


Jandurin

I don't understand. You'll assert that the 360 version of this game is a SIN... now, I'm not religious, but a SIN is basically an EVIL, right? A dirty thing that shouldn't exist and should never be discussed? I guess I assumed you believed that because you thought the 360 was dumbing something down, I guess you have your own reasons.

The world is a fantasy. What you perceive and what I perceive are different things. As such, reality is a construct of the mind, a fantasy.