Why has Blu-Ray been skipped with PC gaming?

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#1 mattuk69
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PC gaming has always seemed to lead the way in the next step in gaming. But i can't think why PC gamers dont seem to take Blu-Ray into there gaming. I know PC gaming is going digital but still every1 is going to have a Blu-Ray player in the future. Movies, 3d movies and data storage. I got my Blu-Ray player/Re-Writer for only £50 off amazon. The id tech 5 engine with the mega textures bs games are going to be 50gb+!!

Exactly....

My download speed sucks, took me 10 hours to get The Witcher which is like 11gb. Should we be asking for Blu-Ray PC games?

I think so.

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#2 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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Because the DVDs that come with the games install most of the files on the hard-drive. That is why with compression, most PC games fit on 1-2 DVDs at most and do not require the user to switch disks when playing.
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#3 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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Because digital is taking over.
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#4 telefanatic
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Not yet, give it some time. Dvd's are plenty for now.

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#5 VideoGameGuy
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i don't ever plan on getting a blu-ray player as the fact that i can download and stream most any movie makes them seem rather dated.
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#6 Teuf_
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Same reason PC games stuck with CD for a long time:

They don't need the extra space, Blu-Ray drives aren't ubiqutious, and Blu-Ray discs cost more to press.

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#7 osan0
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when it comes to storage format the PC has always been conservative. people dont really see a reason to upgrade their existing rig with a blu-ray drive and only get newer tech when it suits them. PC games were still coming on CDs when the PS2 was well into its life and its only really in the last 5-6 years that DVD has taken over from CD. its also probably cheaper to print several DVDs now compared to a blu-ray (no licencing fees per disc of course so publishers are free to shop around for discs). why the slow uptake of blu-ray? well theres a few reasons 1) movie watching is not done as much on PCs. 2) flash memory is dirt cheap and more convenient that blu-ray discs for backing stuff up and transferring stuff. for bigger stuff USB hard drives are the way to go. 80 euro or so for an external 1TB HDD...not too shabby. 3) games dont come on blu-ray and likely wont for the forseeable future. DD is the daddy on PC. so why bother with a blu-ray dirve on the PC? save a few quid, get a DVD drive and spend the rest on something more useful. publishers wont release on blu-ray until they know there not pushing customers away and people wont get one until they have a good reason to. DVD at the time provided a few good reason...cheap backup until flash memory got cheap, good for archiving before external HDDs got cheap and the number of CDs started to get impractical for many PC games. blu-ray hasnt provided a good reason yet.
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#8 dontshackzmii
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Same reason PC games stuck with CD for a long time:

They don't need the extra space, Blu-Ray drives aren't ubiqutious, and Blu-Ray discs cost more to press.

Teufelhuhn

a blu ray disc costs 70 cents to press

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#9 110million
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Same reason PC games stuck with CD for a long time:

They don't need the extra space, Blu-Ray drives aren't ubiqutious, and Blu-Ray discs cost more to press.

dontshackzmii

a blu ray disc costs 70 cents to press

Which is still more than a DVD.. it adds up when you make a million copies.

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#10 shutdown_202
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PC has always been a bit behind in this regard. Im pretty sure games have only been on DVD for the past couple of years. CD lasted a long time.

If there was no DD we'd probably see BD PC games in 5-8 years.

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#11 sinpkr
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why 2 dvd's r cheaper then 1 blueray and can fit as much as is needed.

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#12 Arach666
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PC has always been a bit behind in this regard. Im pretty sure games have only been on DVD for the past couple of years. CD lasted a long time.

If there was no DD we'd probably see BD PC games in 5-8 years.

shutdown_202

Not really only a couple of years,the oldest DVD PC game I have is Deus Ex: Invisible War(2003),and I´m pretty sure that there were others before it.

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#13 sandbox3d
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Well the correct answers have been posted and this topic is over. So I'll just post a random pic.

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#14 dontshackzmii
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Same reason PC games stuck with CD for a long time:

They don't need the extra space, Blu-Ray drives aren't ubiqutious, and Blu-Ray discs cost more to press.

110million

a blu ray disc costs 70 cents to press

Which is still more than a DVD.. it adds up when you make a million copies.

blu ray has 5 times the space witch means you need less of them witch adds up .

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#15 lamprey263
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I just figured they didn't bother because of Steam
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#16 110million
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[QUOTE="110million"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

a blu ray disc costs 70 cents to press

dontshackzmii

Which is still more than a DVD.. it adds up when you make a million copies.

blu ray has 5 times the space witch means you need less of them witch adds up .

Even some PC exclusives don't go far past like 10 gig, thats after install, dual layer DVD is enough to fit a compressed install. On PS3 blu-ray disk holds the entire game, plus it has uncompressed data on there too. PC its all compressed for the install.
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#17 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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The logical answer:

I can Dowload a 16 gig game, faster then I can drive to the nearest place that sells games, buy the game, and drive back.

So, To me Blu-Ray was a dead media from the getgo. Too inconvenient, takes up too much space, and I prefer pressing an icon to insall a game, rather then go looking for the disk, Pretty simple, dont you think?

its not to say that I find Blu-Rayuseless alltogether, I can see the use with console games, since the consoles holds less space (on average), and Blu-Ray is allright with Movies in mind (altho they are merely an evolution of the Dvd, not a revolution.

So I think Most PC gamers simply looked at the Blu-Ray when it came out, and saw something that for thier purpose was hopefully outdated? (we are talking about the people who prides themselves with hardware afterall)

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#18 Ilikemyname420
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Mainly when you have to install a game in it's entirety and most times nowadays you don't even have to so much as look at the disc again you really don't care whether it came on 2 DVDs (most PC games don't even top a single dvd anyways) or a blu-ray..... You'll end up waiting either way and you don't really care about having to pop in the extra disc during the install (for the few PC gamers who actually still get discs at all). Then there's the fact that a BD drive is $200 with hardly anything to buy on it (certainly not games anyways) and the speed (at 8 - 12x) isn't enough of an increase to warrant paying $200 over the $20 you'd pay for a dvd drive.

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#19 coolbeans90
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Because Blu-Ray is unnecessary for the platform, and adds additional total costs (discs and drive) outweighing the convenience factor of simply using a second disc once to install.

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#20 topgunmv
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Same reason PC games stuck with CD for a long time:

They don't need the extra space, Blu-Ray drives aren't ubiqutious, and Blu-Ray discs cost more to press.

Teufelhuhn

Bad example I think, cd's way outlived their welcome. I want to pull my hair out whenever I install an "old" game on 5 cds.

Meanwhile multi-dvd games are still few and far between.

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#21 hippiesanta
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MS are too ego that's why. they think is they use Blu-Ray... they just get served by sony
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#22 tehsystemwarior
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Because most people have decent download speeds and can DL games and most PC games fit on a DVD. And not that many people have a blue-ray drive.
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#23 hiphops_savior
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Mainly because most games are usually installed and a DVD suffices in that account. That said, I just watched LOTR trilogy on Blu Ray and I thought it was fantastic in HD.
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#24 tehsystemwarior
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[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]MS are too ego that's why. they think is they use Blu-Ray... they just get served by sony

No? Outside of gaming, Sony and M$ aren't rivals. Sony's computers use Windows for example. I don't think they sit behind their desks with sore behinds from getting served from M$.
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#25 coolbeans90
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MS are too ego that's why. they think is they use Blu-Ray... they just get served by sonyhippiesanta

You do realize that PC devs (most of which are not MS) could release games on Blu-Ray, right? They just don't because it wouldn't be worthwhile.

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#26 HavocV3
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MS are too ego that's why. they think is they use Blu-Ray... they just get served by sonyhippiesanta

this has nothing to do with MS/Sony.

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#27 bigblunt537
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Same reason PC games stuck with CD for a long time:

They don't need the extra space, Blu-Ray drives aren't ubiqutious, and Blu-Ray discs cost more to press.

Teufelhuhn

I have never seen or heard that word in my life. It took me like 15 tries to pronounce is right and I'm still not sure if I'm pronouncing it right lol

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#28 Bebi_vegeta
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Like, only 1 console has it... will blu-ray make my PC games better?

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#29 Phazevariance
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Because the DVDs that come with the games install most of the files on the hard-drive. That is why with compression, most PC games fit on 1-2 DVDs at most and do not require the user to switch disks when playing.the_ChEeSe_mAn2
Correct answer. PC runs most games from the hard drive where as consoels often run them from the disc directly, so a PC game can be compressed to the hearts content and then uncompressed back onto the hard drive in full glory. Consoles mearly copy the "runable" dvd or bluray disc to their hard drive and nothing gets expanded so it is how it was on the disc.
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#30 Kane04
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I remember when MGS2 Substance was released on PC Windows people complained a lot because it was only available in DVD and that left a lot of people out at start... This was in 2003. PC is always slow on catching up on the latest media, like Nintendo ;) So maybe in a few (like 5) more years.
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#31 mattuk69
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Like, only 1 console has it... will blu-ray make my PC games better?

Bebi_vegeta
wtf has that got to do with anything?
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#32 Nexustras
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i think sony is the one who always pushes this crap. they did cds from cartridge(psone), dvds from cds(ps2), then bluray from dvds(ps3).. i'm guessing next gen they'll have something else again.
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#33 hypoty
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PCs just aren't powerful enough for Blu-ray yet. Maybe in 5 years.

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#34 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Like, only 1 console has it... will blu-ray make my PC games better?

mattuk69

wtf has that got to do with anything?

You tell me?

Answer that question and then you'll have your answer.

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#35 Everiez
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I bet PC devs would like to do so but it won't happen unless branded PC(Dell, HP, etc) came with BD-Drive by default.

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#36 Kane04
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[QUOTE="Nexustras"]i think sony is the one who always pushes this crap. they did cds from cartridge(psone), dvds from cds(ps2), then bluray from dvds(ps3).. i'm guessing next gen they'll have something else again.

Even before the PS3 was out someone was working on a technology that instead of using a "blue laser" it used a "ultra violet laser" putting it simple, its even more "tin" so the holes in the disc can be even smaller and so hold more memory, i think i hear up to 864GB but i'm not sure.

Like, only 1 console has it... will blu-ray make my PC games better?

Bebi_vegeta
FFXIII is better on the PS3 thanks to blu-ray, i'm just saying... :roll:
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#37 mattuk69
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[QUOTE="mattuk69"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Like, only 1 console has it... will blu-ray make my PC games better?

Bebi_vegeta

wtf has that got to do with anything?

You tell me?

Answer that question and then you'll have your answer.

I can't tell you because im not the one making a comment that has nothing to do with the subject.
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#38 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="mattuk69"] wtf has that got to do with anything?mattuk69

You tell me?

Answer that question and then you'll have your answer.

I can't tell you because im not the one making a comment that has nothing to do with the subject.

Comment... It's a question... can you see the "?"

What I said has nothing to do with the topic... I guess we are not talking about PC gaming and blu-ray then...:roll:

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Digital sales are going up like crazy, retail sales are going down I believe. A lot of people don't have blu ray drives, and it's just unnecessary.

Oh, andBebi_vegeta, if you're serious, blu ray won't make pc games better at all because you have to install them anyway.

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#40 Bebi_vegeta
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Digital sales are going up like crazy, retail sales are going down I believe. A lot of people don't have blu ray drives, and it's just unnecessary.

Oh, andBebi_vegeta, if you're serious, blu ray won't make pc games better at all because you have to install them anyway.

cain006

That's exactly my point... It's simply not needed.

1. DD "Steam" is the now and futur.

2. I'm sure very few people have a blu-ray player for the PC as of now, people would be forced to buy one.

3. It adds nothing to PC gaming.

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#41 monson21502
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because blu ray isnt needed for gaming yet. maybe in a few years with better hardware we might see some games that will be helped by blu ray. right now though motorstorm one used almost 50 gigs of space and the game didnt offer thatmuch. to much space is being wasted on anti pirate code i think

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because there is no point. aside from installing the game intitially, 99% of the time, you never use the disk again with a pc games (unless its required to startup or something)
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#43 mattuk69
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[QUOTE="mattuk69"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You tell me?

Answer that question and then you'll have your answer.

Bebi_vegeta

I can't tell you because im not the one making a comment that has nothing to do with the subject.

Comment... It's a question... can you see the "?"

What I said has nothing to do with the topic... I guess we are not talking about PC gaming and blu-ray then...:roll:

The topic is about storage space on blu- ray disks, and if devs should start releasing PC games like Rage or Doom 4 which will be about 50+gb according to them on blu-ray (aswell as DVD ofc). You bring up some random bs "Like, only 1 console has it..." who said anything about consoles? It has nothing to do with anything... Then you say "will blu-ray make my PC games better" WTF!? How will a blu-ray drive make your games better... By your logic if Black Ops was released on 2 million floppy disks their would no need for a DVD disk because it doesn't make the game better. Then you want me to you what your clueless comment has to do with anything because you dont know yourself lol.
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#44 XboximusPrime
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i can only assume because PC devs are made crazy good with compression or because multidisc PC games are no big deal since everything installs anyway.

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#45 Bebi_vegeta
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="mattuk69"] I can't tell you because im not the one making a comment that has nothing to do with the subject.mattuk69

Comment... It's a question... can you see the "?"

What I said has nothing to do with the topic... I guess we are not talking about PC gaming and blu-ray then...:roll:

The topic is about storage space on blu- ray disks, and if devs should start releasing PC games like Rage or Doom 4 which will be about 50+gb according to them on blu-ray (aswell as DVD ofc). You bring up some random bs "Like, only 1 console has it..." who said anything about consoles? It has nothing to do with anything... Then you say "will blu-ray make my PC games better" WTF!? How will a blu-ray drive make your games better... By your logic if Black Ops was released on 2 million floppy disks their would no need for a DVD disk because it doesn't make the game better. Then you want me to you what your clueless comment has to do with anything because you dont know yourself lol.

Let me explain...

My "Will Blu Ray make my PC games better" was to see how ridicul your post was.

Only 1 consoles has it... as in, the Wii doesn't have it... X360 doesn't have it... why? Are they suffering from not having a blu ray drive?

Floppy disk = 1.44Mb

CD=700Mb

DVD dual layer = 8.7Gb

Blu Ray = 50Gb

So your example of Blacks ops is "Crazy"...

As of right now, Dirt 2 on Steam needs 10Gb of space...

Now why would I need a blu ray for this game?????????????

Unless your not a PC gamer... you should already know that a PC uses a HDD to install the game from a compressed disk and geting a blu ray disk wouldn't change or help the PC in any matter at this point.

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#46 AdrianWerner
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There's no need for Blue Ray. Why?

-DD is taking over

-Even with DVDs you just install the game once and then it's no problem. I doubt anyone is so lazy that he can't switch disc once or twice while installing the damn game.

Simply put, Blue Ray doens't offer any real advantage over DVDs in PCgaming.

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#47 blaznwiipspman1
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STEAM is the reason. Steam is the future of gaming. In the future I am sure digital downloading will be huge for console gaming as well. Unfortunately there is no service like steam available for consoles and I doubt there ever will be since consoles are locked down.

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#48 04dcarraher
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With compression you can fit almost 20 gb of uncompressed data on a dual layer dvd.

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Because PC gaming is inferior to the ps3.
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Because hardware on a PC isn't standardized, so if they shipped a blu-ray game, they would be alienating those that don't have blu-ray drives. Also, it's unnecessary.