Why is Bioshock Infinite so overrated and Metro Last Light so underrated?

Im really disappointed in people and what they find to be a "good" wen it comes to storys these days.

 

First it was inception and now bioshock inifinite.

 

Ohhh it complicated so it must be smart and cool.

 

No.

 

beganoo

I liked Inception because it was a well-made and thrilling movie. I liked Bioshock Infinite because it had terrific atmosphere, was well-paced, had good gameplay, and a very moving and involving story. For both, it had nothing to do with the plots being complicated or making me feel "intellectual" for understanding them. 

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Im really disappointed in people and what they find to be a "good" wen it comes to storys these days.

 

First it was inception and now bioshock inifinite.

 

Ohhh it complicated so it must be smart and cool.

 

No.

 

princeofshapeir

I liked Inception because it was a well-made and thrilling movie. I liked Bioshock Infinite because it had terrific atmosphere, was well-paced, had good gameplay, and a very moving and involving story. For both, it had nothing to do with the plots being complicated or making me feel "intellectual" for understanding them. 

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[QUOTE="beganoo"]

Im really disappointed in people and what they find to be a "good" wen it comes to storys these days.

 

First it was inception and now bioshock inifinite.

 

Ohhh it complicated so it must be smart and cool.

 

No.

 

TheDevKit

I liked Inception because it was a well-made and thrilling movie. I liked Bioshock Infinite because it had terrific atmosphere, was well-paced, had good gameplay, and a very moving and involving story. For both, it had nothing to do with the plots being complicated or making me feel "intellectual" for understanding them. 

[QUOTE="TheDevKit"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

I liked Inception because it was a well-made and thrilling movie. I liked Bioshock Infinite because it had terrific atmosphere, was well-paced, had good gameplay, and a very moving and involving story. For both, it had nothing to do with the plots being complicated or making me feel "intellectual" for understanding them. 

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="beganoo"]

Im really disappointed in people and what they find to be a "good" wen it comes to storys these days.

 

First it was inception and now bioshock inifinite.

 

Ohhh it complicated so it must be smart and cool.

 

No.

 

princeofshapeir

I liked Inception because it was a well-made and thrilling movie. I liked Bioshock Infinite because it had terrific atmosphere, was well-paced, had good gameplay, and a very moving and involving story. For both, it had nothing to do with the plots being complicated or making me feel "intellectual" for understanding them. 

Why do people call Inception "complicated" or "complex?" I don't mean to sound like a PR Agent but it literally was dreams within dreams; going into the subconscious of the subconscious. The only thing I can see people having a hard time with was keeping up with who's mind they were in at the time but I found the movie easy to understand and I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed by any stretch of the meaning so, honestly, I don't get people who say the film was complicated.

Im really disappointed in people and what they find to be a "good" wen it comes to storys these days.

 

First it was inception and now bioshock inifinite.

 

Ohhh it complicated so it must be smart and cool.

 

No.

beganoo

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[QUOTE="beganoo"]

Im really disappointed in people and what they find to be a "good" wen it comes to storys these days.

 

First it was inception and now bioshock inifinite.

 

Ohhh it complicated so it must be smart and cool.

 

No.

 

Goyoshi12

I liked Inception because it was a well-made and thrilling movie. I liked Bioshock Infinite because it had terrific atmosphere, was well-paced, had good gameplay, and a very moving and involving story. For both, it had nothing to do with the plots being complicated or making me feel "intellectual" for understanding them. 

Why do people call Inception "complicated" or "complex?" I don't mean to sound like a PR Agent but it literally was dreams within dreams; going into the subconscious of the subconscious. The only thing I can see people having a hard time with was keeping up with who's mind they were in at the time but I found the movie easy to understand and I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed by any stretch of the meaning so, honestly, I don't get people who say the film was complicated.

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

I liked Inception because it was a well-made and thrilling movie. I liked Bioshock Infinite because it had terrific atmosphere, was well-paced, had good gameplay, and a very moving and involving story. For both, it had nothing to do with the plots being complicated or making me feel "intellectual" for understanding them. 

TheDevKit

Why do people call Inception "complicated" or "complex?" I don't mean to sound like a PR Agent but it literally was dreams within dreams; going into the subconscious of the subconscious. The only thing I can see people having a hard time with was keeping up with who's mind they were in at the time but I found the movie easy to understand and I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed by any stretch of the meaning so, honestly, I don't get people who say the film was complicated.

How can anyone NOT pay attention to a f*cking movie. It's a gigantic silver screen that sits in front of the movie goers that's blasting gun fire, explosions, loud music, and screms from around the room; how is it hard to pay attention? Unless a massive surge of people left for the restroom on Inception's opening week I have no idea how anyone can't pay attention to a movie, for better or for worse.

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lol will do

NeonNinja

You didn't destroy anything.  I'm just no longer discussing the game with someone who missed the point of it all and is trying to prove the world wrong with his opinion.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Guess you can't answer my question. I just blew up your notion of infinite possibilities is one post....the lighthouse moment in the endgame destroys your theory.texasgoldrush

You didn't destroy anything.  I'm just no longer discussing the game with someone who missed the point of it all and is trying to prove the world wrong with his opinion.

Because that's the fvcking story they wanted to tell.

Jesus tapdancing christ you are fvcking dense.

Let it go.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

You didn't destroy anything. I'm just no longer discussing the game with someone who missed the point of it all and is trying to prove the world wrong with his opinion.

the_bi99man

Because that's the fvcking story they wanted to tell.

Jesus tapdancing christ you are fvcking dense.

Let it go.

And many people don't like handwaving when there should be actual depth to explain things.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TheDevKit"] You'll have to be a bit more specific. I'm open to the notion it does have holes of course, but I haven't heard a valid one yet. TheDevKit

[QUOTE="TheDevKit"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Is the one where martyr Booker says that they moved Liz from Monument Isle to Comstock House....so why, because they stay in that universe for most of the rest of the game, are they still going after Liz? They already have her and that universe Booker was killed in the attempt to rescue her. Why is the statue damaged when Booker never rescues her in the first place because she wasn't there and Songbird would not have had the chance to damage it? Wouldn't there now be TWO Elizabeths in that universe? Simply put, they did not pay attention to their writing.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="TheDevKit"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

Why do people call Inception "complicated" or "complex?" I don't mean to sound like a PR Agent but it literally was dreams within dreams; going into the subconscious of the subconscious. The only thing I can see people having a hard time with was keeping up with who's mind they were in at the time but I found the movie easy to understand and I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed by any stretch of the meaning so, honestly, I don't get people who say the film was complicated.

Goyoshi12

How can anyone NOT pay attention to a f*cking movie. It's a gigantic silver screen that sits in front of the movie goers that's blasting gun fire, explosions, loud music, and screms from around the room; how is it hard to pay attention? Unless a massive surge of people left for the restroom on Inception's opening week I have no idea how anyone can't pay attention to a movie, for better or for worse.

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[QUOTE="TheDevKit"] Ah, I understand what you're implying now. It's mentioned in a voxophone left by Booker in the universe where he was a Vox Rebellion hero that he had failed to save Elizabeth from Monument Island and that she was taken to Comstock house while he and Slate were destroying the Hall of Heroes. Elizabeth isn't entering the alternate universes, she's opening tears to merge the universes together. She only does this to the extent of what is needed, such as the guns for the weapons smith. This is the reason for the bloody noses, those who'd previously died in the proximity of the tear were brought back to life and recount there deaths. Also, the Lutece twins didn't merge universes. They quite literally entered specific ones, unlike Elizabeth. If you wish for me to be a bit more specific I can, but it's very difficult to comprehend properly and detail and it certainly isn't lazy writing. I suggest before you make claims such as these you do a bit more research.TheDevKit

[QUOTE="TheDevKit"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] There is no evidence of this in the story...sorry. If your theory was true, than Comstock and Booker would have merged, they didn't. And if she does this only to the extent its needed, than nothing outside of it would change.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TheDevKit"] Actually, Booker did merge with his dying self. Hence the nose bleed. TheDevKit

yeah, but that says nothing of Liz merging with her captured self...hell, they didn't even Hand Wave the plot hole, in a story full of hand waving...they Hand Wave a lot of stuff in Bioshock Infinite and that is one major problem with this story.

[QUOTE="TheDevKit"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Booker's nose bleed also when he killed Comstock...and when he meet him for the first time. And why doesn't Liz notice that she was captured when they merge?texasgoldrush

yeah, but that says nothing of Liz merging with her captured self...hell, they didn't even Hand Wave the plot hole...they Hand Wave a lot of stuff in Bioshock Infinite and that is one major problem with this story.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] You cannot answer the goddamn question....once again, if the game was about infinite possibilities....why is their ALWAYS a lighthouse, ALWAYS a man, ALWAYS a city?texasgoldrush

Because that's the fvcking story they wanted to tell.

Jesus tapdancing christ you are fvcking dense.

Let it go.

And many people don't like handwaving when there should be actual depth to explain things.

So boo fvcking hoo. You didn't like it. Seriously, get over it. Your obsession is beyond pathetic.

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[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Because that's the fvcking story they wanted to tell.

Jesus tapdancing christ you are fvcking dense.

Let it go.

the_bi99man

And many people don't like handwaving when there should be actual depth to explain things.

So boo fvcking hoo. You didn't like it. Seriously, get over it. Your obsession is beyond pathetic.

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[QUOTE="TheDevKit"] Comstock and Booker are the same person, this was their first true 'confrontation', it unknowingly messed with Booker's head, hence the nosebleeds.TheDevKit

yeah, but that says nothing of Liz merging with her captured self...hell, they didn't even Hand Wave the plot hole...they Hand Wave a lot of stuff in Bioshock Infinite and that is one major problem with this story.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Because its the story they forced against the natural order of the narrative...its the very definition of arbitrary. Some people simply do not like concepts forced on them unnaturally in a story...which is Bioshock Infinite's problem in the end. Infinite is by far the worst written Bioshock, and by far the most inconsistent.

 

And many people don't like handwaving when there should be actual depth to explain things.

TheDevKit

So boo fvcking hoo. You didn't like it. Seriously, get over it. Your obsession is beyond pathetic.

[QUOTE="TheDevKit"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

So boo fvcking hoo. You didn't like it. Seriously, get over it. Your obsession is beyond pathetic.

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TheDevKit"] I don't know why he was so bitter. TheDevKit

But sorry, I don't like having a whole game be as arbitrary as hell, hand waved the entire time, poorly portraying the political, religious, social themes that would make the game unique (and the game shows signs of a tone down), have shallow characters whose only real purpose in the plot is to throw bad guys at you, recycle th eplot of a past game, and have dumbed down gameplay from its predecessors. I don't hate the game and I really do like the Booker and Comstock are the same bit, as well the game has its moments and great art direction and music, but it simply does not live up to the hype. But am looking forward to the DLC, mainly to see if it fixes the weaknesses of th emain games story and adding to depth to the characters who lacked that depth.

The thing is that it really is my type of game, as a fan of the first two games and System shock 2, but it just wasn't well written.

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texasgoldrush

Gunna be playing MLL tonight.

[QUOTE="TheDevKit"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

So boo fvcking hoo. You didn't like it. Seriously, get over it. Your obsession is beyond pathetic.

texasgoldrush

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TheDevKit"] I don't know why he was so bitter. the_bi99man

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Yeah, I am bitter, I paid $60 and a Season Pass for this game.princeofshapeir

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

On that note, I just started Mass Effect 3 the other day. Liked the first 2. Looking forward to seeing what all the fuss was about the ending.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Yeah, I am bitter, I paid $60 and a Season Pass for this game.princeofshapeir

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

the_bi99man

On that note, I just started Mass Effect 3 the other day. Liked the first 2. Looking forward to seeing what all the fuss was about the ending.

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Biodrones never let it go. He won't rest until we're all convinced that Bioware are the only developers capable of writing good stories. TheDevKit

On that note, I just started Mass Effect 3 the other day. Liked the first 2. Looking forward to seeing what all the fuss was about the ending.

Yeah, I'm not going in with very high expectations, so I hope I won't be disappointed. I am stoked on how well the game runs on my laptop. Looks and runs better than ME2, which looked and ran better than ME1. That's how you advance graphics with sequels.

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Seriously, the answer is hype.

 

Because Metro Last Light is a far superior game in gameplay, atmosphere, and story. But critics have to judge MLL far more harshly because it was not hyped as much, unlike Bioshock Infinite, which had years of hype. Hell, the only thing I think Infinite does better is the music, which is world class in that department.

 

Gamplay....lets see, a variety pack in which you have choice in the gameplay (hell, you don't have to kill any human until the last guys at the end of the game) done reall well, or an average shooting gallery that is dumbed down from its predecessors. But reviewers seemingly want to give BSI a free pass for its shallow gameplay while criticizing aspects of MLL's harshly, such as the AI in MLL (which the AI is far from bad, it just follows the rules of the game). One things for sure, the human AI in MLL doesn't banzai rush you like idiots. Hell BSI enemies aren't much different from splicers in initellegence.

 

The writing is far superior in MLL than it is in Bioshock Infinite. You can tell, a novelist wrote the game, not some game designer. While MLL does have its weak plot moments, such as the handling of Anna's character (hopefully the novel Metro 2035 can fix as well as DLC), Infinite's plot has so many more problems, such as the plot holes, all the handwaving where depth should be, and the arbitrary nature that forces the plot into a ridicoulous cop out ending. Nevermind that in BSI, the supernatural elements take away from the human themes, MLL's supernatural elements reinforce them.

 

The primary reason that MLL is better than Infinite is not the story or its gameplay, or its atmosphere....its how it handles its themes. Bioshock Infinite approaches its themes with a handwave....its cartoony. Its treated with kids gloves, and ultimately the story actually could have done without it. Metro Last Light approaches its themes on humanity with care and frightening percision, with many brutal parts that fit the narrative. You could not have MLL without these themes, it wouldn't work. It revolves around them. While BSI revolves around dimensions and deus ex machina, with its human themes at a distance, MLL is brave enough to have its story revolve around its themes...and dare I say, MLL may be one of the best statements on the human condition in gaming. Its that well done.

 

But between an overhyped AAA shooter with a brand name vs. an eastern european shooter with no hype....the latter just can't win. At least Kevin V gave them just as much due as the former. Kudos Kevin Van Ord.

 

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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]They're rated the sametexasgoldrush

You should keep crying about it... things always change when you cry about them.

[QUOTE="TheDevKit"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

On that note, I just started Mass Effect 3 the other day. Liked the first 2. Looking forward to seeing what all the fuss was about the ending.

the_bi99man

Yeah, I'm not going in with very high expectations, so I hope I won't be disappointed. I am stoked on how well the game runs on my laptop. Looks and runs better than ME2, which looked and ran better than ME1. That's how you advance graphics with sequels.

Wait, people think Inception was complicated? It's as straightforward as any action flick.

I don't think Last Light is being underrated. Most critics are giving it high marks. Most players are speaking highly of it also. I've enjoyed the game so far. Better than the first one IMO. That being said Infinite deserves the ratings it's getting also. Both are great games.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

the_bi99man

On that note, I just started Mass Effect 3 the other day. Liked the first 2. Looking forward to seeing what all the fuss was about the ending.

You know, the ending to ME3 didn't bother me.  But like you, I played it AFTER the huge fuss that was thrown over it.  It's not a great ending, Infinite has a great one.  But it is technically serviceable.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Yeah, I am bitter, I paid $60 and a Season Pass for this game.princeofshapeir

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

texasgoldrush

God damn it, man!

This was on the second page; we were getting so close to ending this abomination.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TheDevKit"] I don't know why he was so bitter. the_bi99man

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

Not saying Infinite is dumb as Twilight, but Infinite's inner logic is severly broken. Just accept this.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Well tough shit. Get over it. Millions of people loved the game, and you're not going to change their minds by making endless threads about it, barging into other threads where people are praising the game and telling them they're wrong for enjoying it, or bringing it up unprovoked in completely unrelated threads.

Just. Let. It. Go. Move on with whatever (presumably) sad existence you call a life.

texasgoldrush