Why is Bioshock Infinite so overrated and Metro Last Light so underrated?

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#201 freedomfreak
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Artorym is definitely deeper than Booker, no contest.texasgoldrush
Who is Artyom?
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#202 DarkLink77
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Why is this thread still going?

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#203 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and notice that I am not the one deflecting the conversation back to Mass Effect. And really Liz is not that deep, Eleanor Lamb has more depth with half the screentime than Elizabeth.

No. Waifubeth is best. Seriously, answer the question.

answer and refute my OP...no one really has, except for maybe one person who agrees with me about story but not gameplay.
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#204 ReadingRainbow4
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Why is this thread still going?

DarkLink77

You just bumped it..

and so did I. Oopsy.

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#205 freedomfreak
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answer and refute my OP...no one really has, except for maybe one person who agrees with me about story but not gameplay.texasgoldrush
You first. My question is a lot more interesting than what you've written up. C'mon.
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#206 freedomfreak
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Question, texas. Do you believe your criticism against Infinite stems from the fact that a lot of people like it? Last Light is a bit of an under the rader game, and that does make us feel better when we talk about it because it's not that popular. We can throw it in our circle of friends. They would be talking about Infinite, and you, in this case, would bring up Last Light. Everyone would be like :o:o:o. Where does this game come from? You explain the deep, well told themes of the game to these plebs that like Infinite. They love you for it, and they see the light. Last Light. You might even receive a handjob. They see that it's the better game, so they kick away Infinite and embrace LL. At that point, you realize that a lot of people now like Metro. So from that point forward, you rush towards the latest FPS coming out and start using that against the, now, overhyped, not as good Last Light. Accurate?
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#207 sukraj
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metro is far superoir than infinite.

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#208 Vaasman
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Elizabeth> nip-slip Anna.texasgoldrush
The Dark One > Elizabeth

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#209 Cranler
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[QUOTE="Cranler"]Anyways you would think hype would increase expectations and lead to lower scores if a game doesnt live up to the hype.SciFiRPGfan


An interesting notion.

Though, it's probably one thing to be just "internally" (silently or anonymously) disappointed by some game not living up to the "hype" spread by the others and it's the other to openly go against the "hyping majority". Especially when income (viewers, traffic, reputation, relationships with developers and publishers and hey... maybe even other reviewers and I don't know what else) might be affected by how much more negative one would be towards the "hyped" game.

I mean, many people find it sometimes quite hard to openly go against the majority (or even vocal majority) even when they have little to nothing to lose (karma on Reddit, downvotes on some forums :P). And to think that one would have to be openly (with his name under the article) more critical towards the game that plenty of his colleagues praised and even more people expect to be praised (and if that won't be the case they will "flame" the hell out of said reviewer and the website he works for) exactly because the game was otherwise hyped by the others... well, I can see how one would hesitate to do so.

After all, in one of his replies, even IMO otherwise very journalist-protective Jim Sterling admited to possibility of reviewers falling for hype. ("More likely, and less exciting, reasons for high scores are writers falling into the trap of hype, or being afraid of their own readers and writing to make them happy."). 

Off the top of my head Daikatana, Enter the Matrix and Homefront were heavily hyped games with low review scores. Fable was hyped to be the greatest rpg ever and got good reviews but not great. I disagree.
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#210 TheEroica  Moderator
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Jesus, not this againcharizard1605

jc

AWWWWWW YEAH!

 

PS, Bioshock Infinite was prime... amazing game and insanely well paced.  riviting story and fantastic ending.  I honestly can't see why anyone would trash talk that game.  it was prime.

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#211 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Both of em got better endings than ME3 I'm sure.
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#212 blackace
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Didn't Metro Last Light get "AAA" score here on Gamespot? It had a 82% on MetraCritics. How is that underrated? Bioshock Infinite was superb. It's not overrated at all.
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#213 princeofshapeir
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Arguing with a Biodrone? Pls no
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#214 mems_1224
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Why is this thread still going?

DarkLink77
because its fun to point and laugh at tgr?
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#215 TheFadeForever
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Bioshock is more well known than the Metro series but both are well developed games.

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#216 SciFiRPGfan
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Off the top of my head Daikatana, Enter the Matrix and Homefront were heavily hyped games with low review scores. Fable was hyped to be the greatest rpg ever and got good reviews but not great. I disagree. Cranler

Well, firstly "we" would have to try to clarify what kind of hype we are talking about (or maybe even better, what kind of hype the OP talks about) because I am not sure how tackle this topic. Are we talking about hype made by developers / publishers? Or reviewers? Or gamers? A bit of all? Before the first reviews / indepth previews / demos or after? 

As I undestand it, all the examples you've given were the games which were the first titles in their respective series (plus I disagree that Daikatana was hyped only in a positive way since the demo was regarded by many people as a disappointment, not sure about others since I haven't followed them much)... so I wouldn't say that the hype that might have surrounded those games is the same kind of hype that can surround games like Bioshock Infinite, i.e. long awaited sequels to previously very successful franchises which even promise some new supposedly exciting features.

At least that's what I got from the OP which mentions the years of hype before game's release (not sure if hype just by the devs or by journalists as well) and brand name (not sure if only game's or team's as well) and from my observation of some of the previews of BI and games like BI.

So, simply put, I believe that it would be somewhat easier to harp on the games which don't have famous predecessors or studios (Kaos Studios?) behind them.
[spoiler] Anyway, not sure if trying to give me few examples of some originally "hyped" games which received lower scores than expected is the correct approach to support your claim that "hype would increase expectations and lead to lower scores", because it's hard to draw conclusions like that. Would the games of the same / similar quality like the ones you've mentioned, but with less hype (whatever that may mean) behind them receive better sores than those? Or maybe similar? Worse? Hard to tell just from few examples. [/spoiler]

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#217 Goyoshi12
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Why is this thread still going?

mems_1224

because its fun to point and laugh at tgr?

Come on guys, let's stop the stupidity once and for all and not keep this silly little thread going.

Wait....god damn it.

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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's TEXAS!

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#219 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Why is this thread still going?

Goyoshi12

because its fun to point and laugh at tgr?

Come on guys, let's stop the stupidity once and for all and not keep this silly little thread going.

Wait....god damn it.

or I am laughing at your stupidity because you refuse to believe in the obvious flaws of the game....and those who like Infinite simply can't grasp that maybe hype does play a part in its critical reception.
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#220 the_bi99man
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and those who like Infinite simply can't grasp that maybe hype does play a part in its critical reception.texasgoldrush

Or maybe they like it?

never change, texas.

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or I am laughing at your stupidity because you refuse to believe in the obvious flaws of the game....and those who like Infinite simply can't grasp that maybe hype does play a part in its critical reception.texasgoldrush
:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

The Dark One > Elizabeth

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#222 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Jesus, not this againTheEroica

jc

AWWWWWW YEAH!

 

PS, Bioshock Infinite was prime... amazing game and insanely well paced.  riviting story and fantastic ending.  I honestly can't see why anyone would trash talk that game.  it was prime.

http://inanage.com/2013/04/04/my-issues-with-the-bioshock-infinite-plot/ Spoilers obviously People are...because it doesn't live up to the hype...and this blogger nails it. This game has fundamental logic problems...hell the setting of Columbia and the racial issues surrounding it has fundamental logic problems. Why would colored people want to even think about going there in the first place? LOL, they are so stupid they deserve their discrimination...lol
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#223 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Jesus, not this againtexasgoldrush

jc

AWWWWWW YEAH!

 

PS, Bioshock Infinite was prime... amazing game and insanely well paced.  riviting story and fantastic ending.  I honestly can't see why anyone would trash talk that game.  it was prime.

http://inanage.com/2013/04/04/my-issues-with-the-bioshock-infinite-plot/ Spoilers obviously People are...because it doesn't live up to the hype...and this blogger nails it. This game has fundamental logic problems...hell the setting of Columbia and the racial issues surrounding it has fundamental logic problems. Why would colored people want to even think about going there in the first place? LOL, they are so stupid they deserve their discrimination...lol

That article sounds like an autist refusing to suspend his disbelief and nitpicking needlessly just to get page views. It's like the people who sit in a theater watching a movie and questioning every facet of the plot they find unbelievable. I doubt you treated games like Dragon Age or Mass Effect the same way, you silly Biodrone.
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#224 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Jesus, not this againtexasgoldrush

jc

AWWWWWW YEAH!

 

PS, Bioshock Infinite was prime... amazing game and insanely well paced.  riviting story and fantastic ending.  I honestly can't see why anyone would trash talk that game.  it was prime.

http://inanage.com/2013/04/04/my-issues-with-the-bioshock-infinite-plot/ Spoilers obviously People are...because it doesn't live up to the hype...and this blogger nails it. This game has fundamental logic problems...hell the setting of Columbia and the racial issues surrounding it has fundamental logic problems. Why would colored people want to even think about going there in the first place? LOL, they are so stupid they deserve their discrimination...lol

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

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#225 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TheEroica"]

jc

AWWWWWW YEAH!

 

PS, Bioshock Infinite was prime... amazing game and insanely well paced.  riviting story and fantastic ending.  I honestly can't see why anyone would trash talk that game.  it was prime.

NeonNinja

http://inanage.com/2013/04/04/my-issues-with-the-bioshock-infinite-plot/ Spoilers obviously People are...because it doesn't live up to the hype...and this blogger nails it. This game has fundamental logic problems...hell the setting of Columbia and the racial issues surrounding it has fundamental logic problems. Why would colored people want to even think about going there in the first place? LOL, they are so stupid they deserve their discrimination...lol

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

Bioshock Infinite's time travel was not realistic. terrible game.
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#226 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TheEroica"]

jc

AWWWWWW YEAH!

 

PS, Bioshock Infinite was prime... amazing game and insanely well paced.  riviting story and fantastic ending.  I honestly can't see why anyone would trash talk that game.  it was prime.

NeonNinja

http://inanage.com/2013/04/04/my-issues-with-the-bioshock-infinite-plot/ Spoilers obviously People are...because it doesn't live up to the hype...and this blogger nails it. This game has fundamental logic problems...hell the setting of Columbia and the racial issues surrounding it has fundamental logic problems. Why would colored people want to even think about going there in the first place? LOL, they are so stupid they deserve their discrimination...lol

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.
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#227 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] http://inanage.com/2013/04/04/my-issues-with-the-bioshock-infinite-plot/ Spoilers obviously People are...because it doesn't live up to the hype...and this blogger nails it. This game has fundamental logic problems...hell the setting of Columbia and the racial issues surrounding it has fundamental logic problems. Why would colored people want to even think about going there in the first place? LOL, they are so stupid they deserve their discrimination...loltexasgoldrush

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.

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#228 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

It's like he didn't even read the post he replied to. Classic Biodrone.
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#229 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

mems_1224
Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.

Please tell me, why is Comstock always evil? Why do they have to drown every one of them? Sorry but its arbitrary, its forced into the narrative with constants and variables as its handwave. If it is so much about Infinite possibilities, than Comstock does not have to be evil after the baptism.
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#230 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]

It's like he didn't even read the post he replied to. Classic Biodrone.

classic Bioshockdrone...defending the games arbitrary and forced ending.
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The guy you linked to is dumbass.

NeonNinja

Dumbasses are drawn to each other. It's no surprise.

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#233 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.

Please tell me, why is Comstock always evil? Why do they have to drown every one of them? Sorry but its arbitrary, its forced into the narrative with constants and variables as its handwave. If it is so much about Infinite possibilities, than Comstock does not have to be evil after the baptism.

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#234 Vaasman
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Didn't get it.

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#235 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] http://inanage.com/2013/04/04/my-issues-with-the-bioshock-infinite-plot/ Spoilers obviously People are...because it doesn't live up to the hype...and this blogger nails it. This game has fundamental logic problems...hell the setting of Columbia and the racial issues surrounding it has fundamental logic problems. Why would colored people want to even think about going there in the first place? LOL, they are so stupid they deserve their discrimination...loltexasgoldrush

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.

No dude, you're wrong.  The game is about infinite possibilities.  Hence the name, BioShock Infinite.  If Booker can turn away at the baptism or accept it, than there's a Booker out there who doesn't go to war.  There's a Booker out there who doesn't gamble.  You're trying to constrain BioShock Infinite into a game of FINITE possibilities, but the game is telling me a story of INFINITE possibilities.  You're the one trying to twist the game into something it isn't and doing so by linking to some stupid article where the plot of the game clearly went over the author's head.

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#236 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

NeonNinja

Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.

No dude, you're wrong.  The game is about infinite possibilities.  Hence the name, BioShock Infinite.  If Booker can turn away at the baptism or accept it, than there's a Booker out there who doesn't go to war.  There's a Booker out there who doesn't gamble.  You're trying to constrain BioShock Infinite into a game of FINITE possibilities, but the game is telling me a story of INFINITE possibilities.  You're the one trying to twist the game into something it isn't and doing so by linking to some stupid article where the plot of the game clearly went over the author's head.

Dude, you're just talking at a wall at this point. People are going to think you're crazy.

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#237 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]The guy you linked to is dumbass.

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Dumbasses are drawn to each other. It's no surprise.

lol

I already love you because Kramer is your avatar. XD

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#238 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

mems_1224

Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.

OMFG THIS IS AWESOME!

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#239 Chris_Williams
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this popcorn is delicious

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#240 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.mems_1224

No dude, you're wrong.  The game is about infinite possibilities.  Hence the name, BioShock Infinite.  If Booker can turn away at the baptism or accept it, than there's a Booker out there who doesn't go to war.  There's a Booker out there who doesn't gamble.  You're trying to constrain BioShock Infinite into a game of FINITE possibilities, but the game is telling me a story of INFINITE possibilities.  You're the one trying to twist the game into something it isn't and doing so by linking to some stupid article where the plot of the game clearly went over the author's head.

Dude, you're just talking at a wall at this point. People are going to think you're crazy.

It's just... you know.... HOW?  How can you WILLINGLY CHOOSE TO CHANGE WHAT A GAME MEANS!?! and then on top of it all ACT LIKE THAT'S HOW THE GAME IS MEANT TO BE and then TELL EVERYONE ELSE THEY'RE STUPID BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET IT!?.  I mean.... I don't..... godf*ckingdamnit!

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#241 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

No dude, you're wrong.  The game is about infinite possibilities.  Hence the name, BioShock Infinite.  If Booker can turn away at the baptism or accept it, than there's a Booker out there who doesn't go to war.  There's a Booker out there who doesn't gamble.  You're trying to constrain BioShock Infinite into a game of FINITE possibilities, but the game is telling me a story of INFINITE possibilities.  You're the one trying to twist the game into something it isn't and doing so by linking to some stupid article where the plot of the game clearly went over the author's head.

NeonNinja

Dude, you're just talking at a wall at this point. People are going to think you're crazy.

It's just... you know.... HOW?  How can you WILLINGLY CHOOSE TO CHANGE WHAT A GAME MEANS!?! and then on top of it all ACT LIKE THAT'S HOW THE GAME IS MEANT TO BE and then TELL EVERYONE ELSE THEY'RE STUPID BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET IT!?.  I mean.... I don't..... godf*ckingdamnit!

texasgoldrush.

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#242 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] Dude, you're just talking at a wall at this point. People are going to think you're crazy.

DarkLink77

It's just... you know.... HOW?  How can you WILLINGLY CHOOSE TO CHANGE WHAT A GAME MEANS!?! and then on top of it all ACT LIKE THAT'S HOW THE GAME IS MEANT TO BE and then TELL EVERYONE ELSE THEY'RE STUPID BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET IT!?.  I mean.... I don't..... godf*ckingdamnit!

texasgoldrush.

I feel better now.

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#243 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

No dude, you're wrong.  The game is about infinite possibilities.  Hence the name, BioShock Infinite.  If Booker can turn away at the baptism or accept it, than there's a Booker out there who doesn't go to war.  There's a Booker out there who doesn't gamble.  You're trying to constrain BioShock Infinite into a game of FINITE possibilities, but the game is telling me a story of INFINITE possibilities.  You're the one trying to twist the game into something it isn't and doing so by linking to some stupid article where the plot of the game clearly went over the author's head.

NeonNinja

Dude, you're just talking at a wall at this point. People are going to think you're crazy.

It's just... you know.... HOW?  How can you WILLINGLY CHOOSE TO CHANGE WHAT A GAME MEANS!?! and then on top of it all ACT LIKE THAT'S HOW THE GAME IS MEANT TO BE and then TELL EVERYONE ELSE THEY'RE STUPID BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET IT!?.  I mean.... I don't..... godf*ckingdamnit!

don't feel too bad. He did the same thing for mass effect 3 and dragon age 2. his "you didn't get it" argument is pretty old but always fun to read

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#244 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

After reading that the guy doesn't even know the game's ending.

There are infinite possibilities.  Which means there are Booker DeWitts that did not go to war, Booker DeWitts that are not in debt, Booker DeWitts that are not alcoholics, and Booker DeWitts that NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE BAPTISM.  That's the freaking point of Infinite possibilities.  The guy you linked to is focused solely on the existence of just Booker and Comstock as HE sees them.  So the end credits you get are of the Booker DeWitt that remains who never had to experience the baptism.  Elizabeth kills Booker and Comstock at once, but only those that had to experience the baptism.  In a world of INFINITE possibilities NOT EVERY BOOKER WAS DRIVEN TO THAT POINT.

The guy you linked to is dumbass.

NeonNinja

Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.

No dude, you're wrong.  The game is about infinite possibilities.  Hence the name, BioShock Infinite.  If Booker can turn away at the baptism or accept it, than there's a Booker out there who doesn't go to war.  There's a Booker out there who doesn't gamble.  You're trying to constrain BioShock Infinite into a game of FINITE possibilities, but the game is telling me a story of INFINITE possibilities.  You're the one trying to twist the game into something it isn't and doing so by linking to some stupid article where the plot of the game clearly went over the author's head.

No, you aren't getting it....the game constrains itself to FINITE possibilities with its stupid constants and variables handwave, because it contradicts itself as does things that aren't carefully written. Why does heads always wins the Lutece's coin toss? Doesn't seem like Infinite possibilities to me. If Comstock isn't arbitrarily evil than why should we care if he exists or not? Why do we have to cut all the realities where he accepts the baptism and becomes Comstock? Why can't Comstock become good and actually be redeemed, instead of turning into a far right lunatic? Oh wait, don't question that....he is always evil because the writer wills it. Its arbitrary and it goes against your plot of Infinite possibilities. Comstock has no chance, the writers never give him one...that's the problem.
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#245 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Wrong......Booker is always an alcoholic and Comstock is always evil....or did you forget about constants and variables? A world of infinite possibilities, and constants and variables is contradictory. It isn't logical, and that's the point.texasgoldrush

No dude, you're wrong.  The game is about infinite possibilities.  Hence the name, BioShock Infinite.  If Booker can turn away at the baptism or accept it, than there's a Booker out there who doesn't go to war.  There's a Booker out there who doesn't gamble.  You're trying to constrain BioShock Infinite into a game of FINITE possibilities, but the game is telling me a story of INFINITE possibilities.  You're the one trying to twist the game into something it isn't and doing so by linking to some stupid article where the plot of the game clearly went over the author's head.

No, you aren't getting it....the game constrains itself to FINITE possibilities with its stupid constants and variables handwave, because it contradicts itself as does things that aren't carefully written. Why does heads always wins the Lutece's coin toss? Doesn't seem like Infinite possibilities to me. If Comstock isn't arbitrarily evil than why should we care if he exists or not? Why do we have to cut all the realities where he accepts the baptism and becomes Comstock? Why can't Comstock become good and actually be redeemed, instead of turning into a far right lunatic? Oh wait, don't question that....he is always evil because the writer wills it. Its arbitrary and it goes against your plot of Infinite possibilities. Comstock has no chance, the writers never give him one...that's the problem.

preach brotha
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Why does heads always wins the Lutece's coin toss? Doesn't seem like Infinite possibilities to me. texasgoldrush

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#247 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Why does heads always wins the Lutece's coin toss? Doesn't seem like Infinite possibilities to me. princeofshapeir

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That was my reaction, and everyone already thinks I've lost my sanity by trying to discuss the game with him.  Next person in line, please.

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#248 lawlessx
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For those who are still wondering about the ending i think this guy explains it best

http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/19/understanding-bioshock-infinites-ending-ending-explanation/3/

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Why does heads always wins the Lutece's coin toss? Doesn't seem like Infinite possibilities to me. NeonNinja

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That was my reaction, and everyone already thinks I've lost my sanity by trying to discuss the game with him. Next person in line, please.

Please tell me in a world of INFINITE possibilties, why is Comstock always evil?

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#250 Vaasman
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

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texasgoldrush

That was my reaction, and everyone already thinks I've lost my sanity by trying to discuss the game with him. Next person in line, please.

 

Please tell me in a world of INFINITE possibilties, why is Comstock always evil?

If I tell you will you promise to stop posting?