Why is Bioshock Infinite so overrated and Metro Last Light so underrated?

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#101 texasgoldrush
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They both scored 9, never post again.

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on a MC, BSI is a 94 and MML an 82...never post again.
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#102 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

People like BioShock Infinte more than Metro Last Light. Get over it.

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than gamers are stupid.....if this is true

guess gaming will always be second fiddle to books and movies with that logic...so I guess Ebert was right after all. And by your logic, people like Call of Duty even more.....how do you like that logic?

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Hot f*cking t*tties you are one insane child, you know that?

and you are the one comparing MML to Call of Duty....like an insane child. Tell me again, does CoD allow you into stealth, to kill no humans but the last boss unit?
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#103 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] than gamers are stupid.....if this is true

guess gaming will always be second fiddle to books and movies with that logic...so I guess Ebert was right after all. And by your logic, people like Call of Duty even more.....how do you like that logic?

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Hot f*cking t*tties you are one insane child, you know that?

and you are the one comparing MML to Call of Duty....like an insane child. Tell me again, does CoD allow you into stealth, to kill no humans but the last boss unit?

It's designed like CoD.  It's not 100%, but it feels like a really good CoD campaign.  It takes a genius like you to take that as an insult.

Also, people do like Call of Duty more than BioShock and Metro.  That's both GoYoshi's logic AND a factual statement based on sales.  Why are you so butthurt over this game not being as well received?  You're allowed to enjoy whatever you want.  I love Vanquish more than Gears of War, I don't piss and moan about how Gears is more popular.  You're just being a whiny b*tch over the opinions of others and trying to act like it's a bad thing.

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#104 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]I prefer Infinite over Last Light just because you like Last Light.jg4xchamp

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#105 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] than gamers are stupid.....if this is true

guess gaming will always be second fiddle to books and movies with that logic...so I guess Ebert was right after all. And by your logic, people like Call of Duty even more.....how do you like that logic?

texasgoldrush

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Hot f*cking t*tties you are one insane child, you know that?

and you are the one comparing MML to Call of Duty....like an insane child. Tell me again, does CoD allow you into stealth, to kill no humans but the last boss unit?

if cod did have stealth it would probably be better than the shitty stealth in MLL
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#106 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

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Hot f*cking t*tties you are one insane child, you know that?

NeonNinja

and you are the one comparing MML to Call of Duty....like an insane child. Tell me again, does CoD allow you into stealth, to kill no humans but the last boss unit?

It's designed like CoD.  It's not 100%, but it feels like a really good CoD campaign.  It takes a genius like you to take that as an insult.

Also, people do like Call of Duty more than BioShock and Metro.  That's both GoYoshi's logic AND a factual statement based on sales.  Why are you so butthurt over this game not being as well received?  You're allowed to enjoy whatever you want.  I love Vanquish more than Gears of War, I don't piss and moan about how Gears is more popular.  You're just being a whiny b*tch over the opinions of others and trying to act like it's a bad thing.

While I don't agree that its like a CoD game I can see why people wouldn't like it. The game has a few problems and its too long. I think Im towards the end and the gameplay is getting really tedious. Im just running past most of the levels right now and the story is quickly falling apart. Its still a good game but its not for everyone.
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#107 Vaasman
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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

They both scored 9, never post again.

texasgoldrush

on a MC, BSI is a 94 and MML an 82...never post again.

In that case piss and moan on their forums and leave us the **** alone.

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#108 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and you are the one comparing MML to Call of Duty....like an insane child. Tell me again, does CoD allow you into stealth, to kill no humans but the last boss unit?mems_1224

It's designed like CoD.  It's not 100%, but it feels like a really good CoD campaign.  It takes a genius like you to take that as an insult.

Also, people do like Call of Duty more than BioShock and Metro.  That's both GoYoshi's logic AND a factual statement based on sales.  Why are you so butthurt over this game not being as well received?  You're allowed to enjoy whatever you want.  I love Vanquish more than Gears of War, I don't piss and moan about how Gears is more popular.  You're just being a whiny b*tch over the opinions of others and trying to act like it's a bad thing.

While I don't agree that its like a CoD game I can see why people wouldn't like it. The game has a few problems and its too long. I think Im towards the end and the gameplay is getting really tedious. Im just running past most of the levels right now and the story is quickly falling apart. Its still a good game but its not for everyone.

It's all good, I don't expect everyone to feel the same way about the game.  But I honest to God think it feels like CoD.  That series gets so much hate though that's it's considered a bad thing by some folks.  But I genuinely enjoyed games like Metro and CoD4.  Although neither has ever felt like a superior product compared to other shooters on the market at their time of release they were still fun.  My biggest fear with Last Light after seeing it was that it wouldn't be a marked improvement over the first game and based on reviews it looks like that's how it all turned out.  I don't know if I'm ready for another run through the metro tunnels at the moment.

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#109 ShoulderOfOrion
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BioShock Infinite is the most overrated game this gen.
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#110 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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BioShock Infinite is the most overrated game this gen. ShoulderOfOrion
That would be Halo 3/Uncharted 2/Xenblade Chronicles.
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#111 ShoulderOfOrion
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[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]BioShock Infinite is the most overrated game this gen. charizard1605
That would be Halo 3/Uncharted 2/Xenblade Chronicles.

no it's bioshock
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#112 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]BioShock Infinite is the most overrated game this gen. ShoulderOfOrion
That would be Halo 3/Uncharted 2/Xenblade Chronicles.

no it's bioshock

The first BioShock is the most over-rated.  That game is, well, not that impressive.

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#113 nutcrackr
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because people like a story that saves everything for the ending? because people like the location of a sky city? I wish I had other answers but hype is probably the answer, people already decided Infinite was great before it was released.
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#114 ShoulderOfOrion
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[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] That would be Halo 3/Uncharted 2/Xenblade Chronicles.NeonNinja

no it's bioshock

The first BioShock is the most over-rated.  That game is, well, not that impressive.

Fine, it's a tie. But seriously, at least the original BioShock somewhat excuses the shitty gunplay by having things like hacking, turrets, and just being a more open game overall.
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#115 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] no it's bioshockShoulderOfOrion

The first BioShock is the most over-rated.  That game is, well, not that impressive.

Fine, it's a tie. But seriously, at least the original BioShock somewhat excuses the shitty gunplay by having things like hacking, turrets, and just being a more open game overall.

Eh.  I like Infinite a lot.  But BioShock 1 I was bored a lot of the time.  I dunno, that sh*tty final four hours didn't help much either.

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#116 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] no it's bioshockShoulderOfOrion

The first BioShock is the most over-rated.  That game is, well, not that impressive.

Fine, it's a tie. But seriously, at least the original BioShock somewhat excuses the shitty gunplay by having things like hacking, turrets, and just being a more open game overall.

Infinite has a better plot.
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#117 NeonNinja
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[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

The first BioShock is the most over-rated.  That game is, well, not that impressive.

charizard1605

Fine, it's a tie. But seriously, at least the original BioShock somewhat excuses the shitty gunplay by having things like hacking, turrets, and just being a more open game overall.

Infinite has a better plot.

BioShock would have had a great plot too, had they ended it at a high note.  Instead they kept going and going.  Just derailed the game and ruined the impact of the twist.  Infinite at least knew how to end.  BioShock just sputtered along with more content for hours after it should have ended.

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#118 rjdofu
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Seriously

 

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No.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Fine, it's a tie. But seriously, at least the original BioShock somewhat excuses the shitty gunplay by having things like hacking, turrets, and just being a more open game overall.NeonNinja

Infinite has a better plot.

BioShock would have had a great plot too, had they ended it at a high note.  Instead they kept going and going.  Just derailed the game and ruined the impact of the twist.  Infinite at least knew how to end.  BioShock just sputtered along with more content for hours after it should have ended.

Yeah, Bioshock was one of those games that didn't know how to leave good enough alone, and just became too complacent in the knowledge of its own cleverness.
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#120 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]BioShock Infinite is the most overrated game this gen. ShoulderOfOrion
That would be Halo 3/Uncharted 2/Xenblade Chronicles.

no it's bioshock

My vote goes to Journey.
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For those saying hype is one of the main attractions for why BioShock Infinte is so loved; humor me this: Couldn't the same thing be said about Metro: Last Light?

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For those saying hype is one of the main attractions for why BioShock Infinte is so loved; humor me this: Couldn't the same thing be said about Metro: Last Light?

Goyoshi12
To be absolutely fair, Metro doesn't exactly have a whole lot of hype behind it.
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#123 Goyoshi12
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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

For those saying hype is one of the main attractions for why BioShock Infinte is so loved; humor me this: Couldn't the same thing be said about Metro: Last Light?

charizard1605

To be absolutely fair, Metro doesn't exactly have a whole lot of hype behind it.

In what way? Both got 9/10s, both are getting extreme amounts of praise all around, both have been praised for their campaign and story, both are considered the best FPS so far of 2013, both have a good amount of advertisements across the board, I think it's safe to say there is a good amount of hype behind Metro.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

For those saying hype is one of the main attractions for why BioShock Infinte is so loved; humor me this: Couldn't the same thing be said about Metro: Last Light?

Goyoshi12

To be absolutely fair, Metro doesn't exactly have a whole lot of hype behind it.

In what way? Both got 9/10s, both are getting extreme amounts of praise all around, both have been praised for their campaign and story, both are considered the best FPS so far of 2013, both have a good amount of advertisements across the board, I think it's safe to say there is a good amount of hype behind Metro.

I mean mainstream hype and recognition. Bioshock is almost universally considered among the best games of the generation. Can you say the same for Metro?
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[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] That would be Halo 3/Uncharted 2/Xenblade Chronicles.NeonNinja

no it's bioshock

The first BioShock is the most over-rated.  That game is, well, not that impressive.

Its much better than Infinite, that's for damn sure. Far more consistent in its writing and I had more options in the gameplay. Hell you can play stealth with a Wrench Lurker tonic (or Drill Lurker in Bioshock 2). And in BS2, I can use a tonic to play a "mage". Its gameplay wasn't great overall, and its not as legendary as System Shock 2 but it was good enough. Good enough to respect my choices of style of play.
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#126 Goyoshi12
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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] To be absolutely fair, Metro doesn't exactly have a whole lot of hype behind it.charizard1605

In what way? Both got 9/10s, both are getting extreme amounts of praise all around, both have been praised for their campaign and story, both are considered the best FPS so far of 2013, both have a good amount of advertisements across the board, I think it's safe to say there is a good amount of hype behind Metro.

I mean mainstream hype and recognition. Bioshock is almost universally considered among the best games of the generation. Can you say the same for Metro?

According to SNIPER and TGR, yes.

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#127 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] To be absolutely fair, Metro doesn't exactly have a whole lot of hype behind it.charizard1605

In what way? Both got 9/10s, both are getting extreme amounts of praise all around, both have been praised for their campaign and story, both are considered the best FPS so far of 2013, both have a good amount of advertisements across the board, I think it's safe to say there is a good amount of hype behind Metro.

I mean mainstream hype and recognition. Bioshock is almost universally considered among the best games of the generation. Can you say the same for Metro?

Because they play through it once and are tricked by the illusion...how many reviewers do you think did not rush the game and play it multiple times? Nevermind the ridiculous amount of hype the game got.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

In what way? Both got 9/10s, both are getting extreme amounts of praise all around, both have been praised for their campaign and story, both are considered the best FPS so far of 2013, both have a good amount of advertisements across the board, I think it's safe to say there is a good amount of hype behind Metro.

Goyoshi12

I mean mainstream hype and recognition. Bioshock is almost universally considered among the best games of the generation. Can you say the same for Metro?

According to SNIPER and TGR, yes.

Excuse me for a minute while I laugh hysterically.
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#129 Goyoshi12
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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I mean mainstream hype and recognition. Bioshock is almost universally considered among the best games of the generation. Can you say the same for Metro?charizard1605

According to SNIPER and TGR, yes.

Excuse me for a minute while I laugh hysterically.

:D

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#130 Jankarcop
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HYPE

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#131 freedomfreak
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Not on full alert they don't, especially when they see you. When they see you, they will take to you down on Ranger Hardcore. Notice that there are four levels of alertness....normal, suspicious, alarmed, open combat. Of course they are open to getting shot unless they are in open combat.texasgoldrush
Yes, they do. They don't offer any challenge at all. And those "levels of alertness" are ridiculous, because I sure as shit didn't see them. There were two levels: 1. Standing around with a "knock-me-out" sign on their back. 2. Run around like a headless chicken. I haven't played Ranger Mode Hardcore. I actually lol at this argument. "The game actually works on the highest mode of the highest difficulty", which I seriously doubt.
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Some people should just not make threads

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#133 PAL360
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Infinite is not overrated. It's a brilliant game. Metro also looks great, i'll pick it in a few days. Why compare them, anyway?

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Not on full alert they don't, especially when they see you. When they see you, they will take to you down on Ranger Hardcore. Notice that there are four levels of alertness....normal, suspicious, alarmed, open combat. Of course they are open to getting shot unless they are in open combat.freedomfreak
Yes, they do. They don't offer any challenge at all. And those "levels of alertness" are ridiculous, because I sure as shit didn't see them. There were two levels: 1. Standing around with a "knock-me-out" sign on their back. 2. Run around like a headless chicken. I haven't played Ranger Mode Hardcore. I actually lol at this argument. "The game actually works on the highest mode of the highest difficulty", which I seriously doubt.

You really don't get it. This game allows you to stealth kill from the front, you are allowed a split second, after they see you, to make a kill. There is nothing wrong with this. Most games don't allow this, they make you always arbitrary kill from behind. And yes, you don't see them because you don't get it....there are four modes. 1. They don't see you, and they go about their business. 2. They are suspicious and may want to investigate...happens when you shoot out a light next to them or something. 3. Alerted.....they see one of their guys dead or they see you plainly...they look vigorously for you permanently...unlike most stealth games, they never revert back to their normal pattern. 4. Full combat. If you really want no challenge, play Bioshock Infinite...pot calling the kettle black.
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#135 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]You really don't get it. This game allows you to stealth kill from the front, you are allowed a split second, after they see you, to make a kill. There is nothing wrong with this. Most games don't allow this, they make you always arbitrary kill from behind. And yes, you don't see them because you don't get it....there are four modes. 1. They don't see you, and they go about their business. 2. They are suspicious and may want to investigate...happens when you shoot out a light next to them or something. 3. Alerted.....they see one of their guys dead or they see you plainly...they look vigorously for you permanently...unlike most stealth games, they never revert back to their normal pattern. 4. Full combat. If you really want no challenge, play Bioshock Infinite...pot calling the kettle black.

"They look vigorously" Yeah, no, they don't. They just keep walking around. I don't what's so special about this. Good God, you oversell this game. The only thing they improved is the mechanics. The AI remains stupid and simplistic beyond belief. The rest is your usual "you don't get it" nonsense, which you always pull. And Bioshock Infinite was a lot more challenging than this snorefest when you're going "pure stealth".
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#136 texasgoldrush
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Infinite is not overrated. It's a brilliant game. Metro also looks great, i'll pick it in a few days. Why compare them, anyway?

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because it is overrated and far from brilliant. How brilliant is it when its just, not only being a repetitive gallery shooter, tears up its narrative because of it. Examples being the Hall of Heroes and the Fink job application shootout at the Good Times Club...those parts were pure stupid from a game design aspect. And the Shantytown section...wow, pure stupid. Want the upgrade, shoot the guard, its your only option. Want to give money to the beggars outside the bar, you can't...Gotta shoot them. What brilliance is it when I can shoot a mom and dad in front of her kids with Liz, and she says absolutely nothing about it? Or the plot holes? Or that they treat its themes with kids gloves...or the handwaving of deus ex machina with arbitrary concepts. Or the fact that we were shown something more at E3 and they through development hell, cut down the game. Why compare them? Because Metro Last Light is the game Bioshock Infinite should have been....a smart shooter that allows choice, and smartly deals with mature human themes in a manner that transcends most games instead of handwaving them.
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#137 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]You really don't get it. This game allows you to stealth kill from the front, you are allowed a split second, after they see you, to make a kill. There is nothing wrong with this. Most games don't allow this, they make you always arbitrary kill from behind. And yes, you don't see them because you don't get it....there are four modes. 1. They don't see you, and they go about their business. 2. They are suspicious and may want to investigate...happens when you shoot out a light next to them or something. 3. Alerted.....they see one of their guys dead or they see you plainly...they look vigorously for you permanently...unlike most stealth games, they never revert back to their normal pattern. 4. Full combat. If you really want no challenge, play Bioshock Infinite...pot calling the kettle black.

"They look vigorously" Yeah, no, they don't. They just keep walking around. I don't what's so special about this. Good God, you oversell this game. The only thing they improved is the mechanics. The AI remains stupid and simplistic beyond belief. The rest is your usual "you don't get it" nonsense, which you always pull. And Bioshock Infinite was a lot more challenging than this snorefest when you're going "pure stealth".

No they don't, they look for you. Of course if you hide behind a cover, you can pop one or two with a silent pistol, but then, its full combat mode. And you are certainly unable to stealth kill them without alarm. It forces you into throwing knifes and silenced weapons on alert level 3. Maybe I pull you don't get it because you really don't. And no one wants to debate how Metro Last Light deals with themes far better than Infinite. And speaking of AI, BSI's way dumber than MLL in any argument you make against MLL's.
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#138 ChubbyGuy40
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Texas is actually making me NOT want to play Last Light. What's the adblock text to block users?

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#139 texasgoldrush
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Texas is actually making me NOT want to play Last Light. What's the adblock text to block users?

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oh you don't like what I have to say...get over it.
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#140 ShoulderOfOrion
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Texas is actually making me NOT want to play Last Light. What's the adblock text to block users?

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adblocking people = admitting they upset you
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#141 IPWNDU2
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Some people should just not make threads

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#142 ChubbyGuy40
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adblocking people = admitting they upset youShoulderOfOrion

...and?

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#143 Obviously_Right
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I think you need to shut the fvck up about Bioshock: Infinite.

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#144 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]No they don't, they look for you. Of course if you hide behind a cover, you can pop one or two with a silent pistol, but then, its full combat mode. And you are certainly unable to stealth kill them without alarm. It forces you into throwing knifes and silenced weapons on alert level 3. Maybe I pull you don't get it because you really don't. And no one wants to debate how Metro Last Light deals with themes far better than Infinite. And speaking of AI, BSI's way dumber than MLL in any argument you make against MLL's.

Oh please, they go to the spot where the trouble was and then wander off in some random direction. Not to mention only one guy always heads out without backup, making it damn easy to just take him out. You think anyone notices? No. Everyone goes about their way. Stop acting like this AI is exciting or somewhat good. It's simplistic in design, and that's pretty much the end of it. I've had a lot more fun messing around with the Chaos Theory AI, the one that actually makes sense. I've been in "alert level 3" when I was going for an achiement. I ran off, and they just went back into "search mode", which ended up in me knocking them out.
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#145 texasgoldrush
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I think you need to shut the fvck up about Bioshock: Infinite.

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Got under your skin too? Can't admit that I may be right about the game?
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#146 ShoulderOfOrion
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[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]adblocking people = admitting they upset youChubbyGuy40

...and?

And nothing. Go back to push if you can't handle sw, sheep.
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#147 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]No they don't, they look for you. Of course if you hide behind a cover, you can pop one or two with a silent pistol, but then, its full combat mode. And you are certainly unable to stealth kill them without alarm. It forces you into throwing knifes and silenced weapons on alert level 3. Maybe I pull you don't get it because you really don't. And no one wants to debate how Metro Last Light deals with themes far better than Infinite. And speaking of AI, BSI's way dumber than MLL in any argument you make against MLL's.

Oh please, they go to the spot where the trouble was and then wander off in some random direction. Not to mention only one guy always heads out without backup, making it damn easy to just take him out. You think anyone notices? No. Everyone goes about their way. Stop acting like this AI is exciting or somewhat good. It's simplistic in design, and that's pretty much the end of it. I've had a lot more fun messing around with the Chaos Theory AI, the one that actually makes sense. I've been in "alert level 3" when I was going for an achiement. I ran off, and they just went back into "search mode", which ended up in me knocking them out.

No they don't, they search the location where they saw you or where the shot came form, and once on alert level 3, they stay that way. Its not the AI, its the rules of the game. And you are wrong yet again, you can't get the level stealth achievements when they go into level 3 alert mode.
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#148 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]No they don't, they search the location where they saw you or where the shot came form, and once on alert level 3, they stay that way. Its not the AI, its the rules of the game. And you are wrong yet again, you can't get the level stealth achievements when they go into level 3 alert mode.

"Rules of the game"  You keep on excusing the simplistic, unchallenging AI by saying stuff like that. I wasn't trying to get the stealth achievement. I was trying to get the "stealth kill x amount of dudes". It seems you're just not capable of seeing that this AI is nothing more than simple pawns that stand in your way. That's alright. I won't stop you from believing so.
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#149 PAL360
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Infinite is not overrated. It's a brilliant game. Metro also looks great, i'll pick it in a few days. Why compare them, anyway?

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because it is overrated and far from brilliant. How brilliant is it when its just, not only being a repetitive gallery shooter, tears up its narrative because of it. Examples being the Hall of Heroes and the Fink job application shootout at the Good Times Club...those parts were pure stupid from a game design aspect. And the Shantytown section...wow, pure stupid. Want the upgrade, shoot the guard, its your only option. Want to give money to the beggars outside the bar, you can't...Gotta shoot them. What brilliance is it when I can shoot a mom and dad in front of her kids with Liz, and she says absolutely nothing about it? Or the plot holes? Or that they treat its themes with kids gloves...or the handwaving of deus ex machina with arbitrary concepts. Or the fact that we were shown something more at E3 and they through development hell, cut down the game. Why compare them? Because Metro Last Light is the game Bioshock Infinite should have been....a smart shooter that allows choice, and smartly deals with mature human themes in a manner that transcends most games instead of handwaving them.

Dude, i beat it twice and simply loved every second of it. The lore, the gameplay, the story, the level of polish, the art direction, the technical graphics, the sound, the characters...so i obviously disagree. Sure, it's not perfect, it's too easy (even on hard) and it does have some plot holes, but it's easily one of the best games i played this gen.

I'm hyped for Metro Last Night, and waiting it to come out in my country, but if it is (like you say) anything like Bioshock Infinite, then i can't fu***n wait :P

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#150 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]No they don't, they search the location where they saw you or where the shot came form, and once on alert level 3, they stay that way. Its not the AI, its the rules of the game. And you are wrong yet again, you can't get the level stealth achievements when they go into level 3 alert mode.

"Rules of the game"  You keep on excusing the simplistic, unchallenging AI by saying stuff like that. I wasn't trying to get the stealth achievement. I was trying to get the "stealth kill x amount of dudes". It seems you're just not capable of seeing that this AI is nothing more than simple pawns that stand in your way. That's alright. I won't stop you from believing so.

And you keep trying to undersell the game and simply not getting it. The AI is serviceable for a game that allows choice, not the best in the industry but no means terrible. Its much better than it was in 2033. And I have seen no games to where enemies properly check their corners. It hasn't happened yet.