why is nintendo always able to get away with things

Ugh, don't get me started, they get away with SO much. Yes, they make a lot of great games that people are passionate about and that's part of the reason, but I don't think it's going too far to say that many Nintendo fans take it to borderline cult status. My theory is this, part one, nostalgia. It is such a powerful force in determining people's views, and Nintendo has the benefit of releasing much-loved consoles and games at pretty much every point in most adults' childhoods. NES-SNES-N64 is a pretty solid lineup, and I'd bet that if you asked most people on this forum the majority would have played one of those consoles during their childhood. That implants Nintendo products in people's minds, and Nintendo leverages that to build fan loyalty.

Part two, fanboyism. Consoles live on fanboyism. If you want to buy a game and I say okay, I have system A here where you can play that game, and it'll cost less money, and if you buy a new system you can just transfer the game for no charge, and it plays videos, connects to the internet, and runs tons of other software. I also have system B, which does none of those things. Why would anyone choose system B? Fanboyism. The Xbone and PS4 are fairly comparable graphically, why do people argue constantly online over which is better? Fanboyism. Simply put, from a purely logical perspective there is no reason to be overjoyed by a console purchase. They're less powerful and less versatile than PCs. Console makers can't rightly go around saying, "oh, I know this isn't as good as a PC, but hey, it costs less!" They need people to feel good about their purchases, so they encourage fanboyism. They make commercials that take jabs at the competition. They engage in exclusives wars. They tell people "you're the best gamers in the world because you bought OUR system!" And it works. It makes people feel good about their purchase, it makes them loyal to the brand, and it builds excitement for future purchases. When you go to buy the next Nintendo console you're not just buying a console, you're engaging with a community. Just like any community, though, fanboys often become blind to their own biases and defensive when dealing with outsiders, which brings me to...

Part three, general human stupidity. People, in general, do not like to be challenged. They do not like to have to defend their views constantly, even more so when they start to become part of their identity. They become belligerent to people who challenge them, and surround themselves with people who confirm their own views. It's pretty basic human behavior, but it can also become infuriating, say when you're actually part of said group but aren't entirely happy with its direction. It can get to the point where the only people left in the group are those who reinforce each other's behavior, and then things can get ugly. I, frankly, think Nintendo fans might be getting to this point right now, where their in-status is increasingly based on esoteric knowledge and a common but exclusive viewpoint. Come back in a few years when adults' first Nintendo system was the Gamecube or Wii U and their first Nintendo memory was being for chastised for not knowing about a game everyone else was geeking out over, things might be a little different then.

System Wars, not Fanboy Wars.

@cainetao11: - They haven’t announced anything yet. So no, “we” don’t know anything.

- U mad Xbone hasn’t had any GOTY in its entire lifetime, and Switch released with one?

- How’s that new exclusives to old games ratio on Xbone? LOL.

Gurd bless ‘Murica etc.

Nostalgia is a very powerful thing, and it doesn't hurt that Nintendo is one of the best software developers on the planet, which allows them to get away with murder. I've seen them defended when there's simply no good reason why they should be. Time and time again (such as arguing against allowing an option to have traditional controls while playing Mario Odyssey in handheld mode.....there is NO valid argument for this). People will go to any lengths.

Nintendo are idiots in their own respect. They're sitting on a goldmine of a legacy in the VC that they aren't moving on. Any company worth their salt would be busting their ass to leverage that to a hefty mint, and Nintendo has the history to do so. People are willing to THROW their money at them for a decent Virtual Console, and they sit on their ass like morons. They either just don't care, don't know, or are lazy and complacent in what they have. If they didn't have such incredible games, I think any company run like they are would be in trouble.

Glad you agree. Now tell me more about this Xbox.

I don't even get how they "got away" with those things. Everyone talked shit about Wii U, even people who had one. They "get away with it" just by not quitting the business or something?

They didn't get away with Starfox and Skyward Sword. Starfox, I'm pretty sure sold like shit, and was shit upon by gamers and reviewers. It has a 69 score on metacritic. I don't think SS sold well either and is seen as one of the worst Zeldas by many. Reviewers gave it great reviews, but then again, most reviewers suck at their job. Fans on forums were very vocal about both of these games' shortcomings.

To bring up something worse, Sony is currently getting away with having games that look good, but are shit, and have been for quite some time. And they get great reviews and are selling this shit in large numbers.

I own all of the consoles and love the Switch. People that generalize that the real fanboys. There are plenty of hardcore gamers that love Ps4 and Switch as well as PC (X-box is in a weird spot right now but maybe they will get it together.)

The worst fanboys are ones that claim others are not real gamers.

@n64dd said:

@SecretPolice said:

Because, sheep are just so silly that way...

lol :P

Never seen that gif before.

So Jel...

lol :P

If Nintendo got away with everything then the Wii U would have been a smash hit. Except it wasn’t and Nintendo had to kill it off early. Same thing with the GameCube. I love it how people continue to hate on Nintendo but I bet secretly you people would easily buy their games if they were multi platform.

Those examples are just tip-of-the-iceberg, too. There's plenty of things we can list that Nintendo fell short on.

"Nintendo gets away with anything" is just a stupid and false narrative usually boasted by trolls and shit-posters that just don't like to see Nintendo when they do have good days. As far as I can tell you, Nintendo is the only major company that has publicly admitted and apologized for their own shortcomings.

I think the narrative should be more like, "Nintendo hardly ever gets a day because shit-posters don't want it that way." It turns out that when Nintendo does do something genuinely good, that's when these complaints arise. It turns out that Nintendo is in a high place right now, for clear and obvious reasons with the success of the Switch and high-profile games released over the past year.

"Nostalgia wins", I'm sure has truth to an extent. Nostalgia is what made Playstation fans run out and buy the Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, right? Nostalgia is also what made people swoon over Uncharted 4 for those that played the series since the original, right? People still love every stinkin' Halo game that comes out, and why? Nostalgia. People like to push this narrative as if nostalgia only applies to Nintendo.

Even though BotW is unlike any Zelda game ever created before. Even though Mario + Rabbids is unlike any Mario game to come out before it. There's one thing that Nintendo is doing as of late, and that is changing up the formula for certain franchises to make completely new experiences. Let's just forget the fact over the last several years they've got brand new IP's like Xenoblade Chronicles and Splatoon. Let's forget they got the publishing rights to Bayonetta.

Incidentally the same people that criticize Nintendo's success over "nostalgia" are the same people that are complaining about there not being a Virtual Console. Why is that? Virtual Console is nothing but old games. Let's talk about nostalgia. The Virtual Console will come in due-time, but why are we ignoring an already robust e-shop? Most offerings on the e-shop have nothing to do with nostalgia yet shit-posters are ignoring that so they can clamor to "Nintendo lives on nostalgia" while simultaneously complaining why there is no Virtual Console.

Interesting.

Indeed. Thanks for the read, good points.

Because of the epic fanboys they having.

Have you checked how sensitive and out of their minds sheep becoming in System wars when someone answering to their own topics something that goes against Nintendo. The last 5-6 years things getting out of control every single time with them playing the victims at the same time, insane. Amusing for the sake of System wars ( though they overdoing it as of late of them being so serious and this is not fun at all. Talk about some serious dedication there )

Dedicated fanboys of that degree is why Nintendo getting away with every silly thing. From dumping their consoles big time, to ridiculous prices in store, to online to you name it how many things thru the years. And dont you dare speak of them in here, theyll eat you alive...lolol!

Can I get an Amen?

Can we talk about Arms? What a stellar game that gets zero love. New IP, a fighting game of all things, and comes off like this amazing long lost sega arcade game from the good old days with a twist.

@jaydan: Very well said and 100% spot on.

@stuff238: Your the dumbass who thinks 30fps is better than 60fps. And 30fps makes games slower like MGSV so it was easier to kill the final boss.

When I say that Nintendo "gets away" with things, this is absolutely not what I mean. What I mean is that Nintendo fans will be completely loyal to the point where they won't acknowledge any flaws with anything Nintendo does, and will get angry at you for pointing them out. Case in point, the OP pointed out a number of things Nintendo seems to be mishandling with the Switch, but oh no, that couldn't be a valid criticism, the only people who criticize Nintendo are "shitposters." Yeah, the Wii U sold poorly, but while it was selling Nintendo fanboys were constantly saying that it was going to win the generation, that it's really the best console, etc., etc. I was in a thread a while back where people were literally saying that Nintendo doesn't make any of the mistakes other companies do, they never release bad games, they never screw their customers, they never do yearly cash-ins. I went in and pointed out examples of them doing all three and the thread died. That's how defensive Nintendo fanboys get over Nintendo, dare to criticize one thing they say and they don't even want to talk to you anymore. And what I hate the most about that is their whole "if you ever dare to criticize Nintendo you must secretly hate Nintendo" attitude. No, I love Nintendo games, I like most of their consoles, I like them far better than MS and Sony combined. But if I point out one thing I don't like about what they're doing suddenly I'm a hater. That's what I mean when I say they can get away with anything.

@Sgt_Crow: God knows we need the blessings.

I'm mad? Whatever you say pal

How does life work when GOTY, a paper weight given out by other people is how you decide what you like? Did your parents raise you to be a follower?

"Look guys!! These games are what I'm into because other people gave them a review score and award!!! Yaaaaayyyyyyy!!!!"

What a wuss u are.

My most played games are PUBG and Halo 5 MP so I'm doing well, thanks for asking. But I have my switch and Pro. Not my fault you slurp sac buddy

@cainetao11: HAHA! How does that work, being a religious patriotic whackjob accusing someone else of being a follower?

I like good games, as do countless professional gaming journalists apparently. Keep living in delusion and have fun with your two mediocre games.

@Sgt_Crow: Because I call a power greater than human "God" in one post im a religious fanatic? Well by all means what religion am I affiliated with?

I like the games that entertain me. Like Bloodborne, Nioh, Gears, Halo 5, Witcher 3, PUBG, Alienation, Guns Gore and Canoli etc.

But I don't give a shit what anybody else's opinion of those games are becausenobody else is buying my games for me. Why should I care if you think I like mediocre stuff?

As far as patriotic, lol ? at that being an insult.

It's interesting that you bemoan people criticizing Nintendo over the lack of a Virtual Console (something they have promised and we've yet to hear anything substantial on its progress), belittling its importance by saying it's "nothing but old games", but then immediately go on touting the merits of the e-shop.....a platform filled with very similar offerings that Nintendo's legacy could afford. Nobody's ignoring the e-shop, people love it, and I've seen much praise for it despite the false narrative you are attempting to paint. It's precisely because gamers are enjoying the e-shop so much and playing these experiences (such as Steamworld Dig 2) that hearken back to Nintendo's heyday that they are salivating for Nintendo to capitalize upon that legacy so we can have it on the go. We're not just talking about a few games here and there either....Nintendo has multiple generations of stellar software available across numerous platforms dating back 33 years. What the **** are they doing?? Especially with the money currently pouring in that they could be investing in this. What is due-time to you exactly? To downplay Nintendo's lackadaisical attitude to get the VC up and running while at the same time attempting to paint those who express very valid grievances towards its absence as "shit posters" who neglect to give credit to the e-shop is disingenuous, a red herring, not to mention is the height of typical Nintendo apologist nonsense.

You act as if the critique of Nintendo leaning on nostalgia somehow means people don't enjoy it or can't wish for it. You can desire nostalgic experiences while still maintaining that Nintendo relies upon it, there is nothing in those two positions that negate each other or show hypocrisy. Nintendo does rely on nostalgia, and I desire to play games that bring me it. The former is a statement of fact, the latter, a preference. Speaking on nostalgia, you also cannot equate Nintendo's to that of Sony's nor any other company (save perhaps Sega). Sure nostalgia is there for every company, but the difference with Nintendo is many people were introduced to not just Nintendo's games at a very young age, but to gaming in general through them. Nostalgia borne in childhood (especially in the exposure and foundation of a loved hobby), is a HELL of a lot stronger than nostalgia borne later, when people were older and had already been gaming for years. You simply cannot hold a candle to the power of nostalgia when it manifests itself in childhood combined with the inception of a hobby, as it did with many with Nintendo.

As for the tired argument of Nintendo's franchises being entirely different from one another, I've addressed this numerous times.....it's also a flimsy narrative apologists love to tow. They are not completely new experiences, because completely new doesn't solely entail mechanical alterations.

And as for Nintendo apologizing (over and over and over and over and over again), an apology is worthless if what is being apologized for isn't rectified. "Please understand" became synonymous with incompetence when no action was taken to address it, time and again, and it quickly became a meme and a mockery of the company. More power to you if an apology is all that's needed to give someone credit, for me, action behind it is also a requirement.

You're a bigger nintendo fanboy than anyone here

I wont give nintendo a single dollar till they behave. If they prove me they wont dump Switch like they did 3 ( 4 in a sense but whatever )generations now, maybe, if the price is right by then, maybe theyll see some bucks !!

Where did the concept that Nintendo "always" get away from any questionable act came from?

The Switch seems to be doing fine in 3rd party support while it may not be getting all the big AAA games its getting most of the indies that make it to consoles and a lot of support from Japan. In fact the Switch is starting to snatch up some of PS4s third party Japanese exclusives. The Switch will probably be the only console to have a ton of third party exclusives thanks to its handheld mode. A lot of Japanese devs will port their handheld games over to the Switch or start developing for the Switch exclusively, especially if Nintendo doesn't make another handheld after the 3DS.

Probably since the NES era, when Nintendo really did get away with seriously questionable acts.

True, but you'd think that would've died by the SNES or hell, the N64. But no. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Nintendo will always be vindicated by history.

It's for kids and casuals, so why bother ^^

No one gets away with anything. People know Nintendo's strengths and weaknesses. No one is really all that confused about them. This generation Nintendo seems to have more strengths than weaknesses thus they are being rewarded with strong sales. Last generation they had more weaknesses than strengths thus they were punished with low sales. How is that getting away with anything again?

Hardcore male gamers aren't logical, so don't try to speak to them logically. They think that punishment is complaining about Nintendo on the same issues ad nauseaum. They don't understand that low sales are a quiet way to say, "you missed up this time. Fix it again or the same thing will happen." If you aren't @ing them on Twitter, confronting them on YouTube by making thousands of negative comments, or complaining on gaming forums all the time, then you're supporting them.

@judaspete: much like the hipster tax for Apple stuff

Whoa there. Your clearly jealous and poor. You don't know how cool Apple stuff is (I'm in 2012). Inertial scrolling will change your life and make playing games impossible but you can sit in cafes with thick glasses and plaid shirts looking deep and thoughtful and productive with a frappe.

Ninnytendo (see what I did there) have found a way to access the pavlovian response in gullible Americans and Japanese (no-one else cares) with hyper bright colours and deceivingly simple and piss easy games that they are basically the game industry equivalent of a crack dealer. The dopamine is released every time a sparkly things makes a tinkly noise and the player enters a kind of mindless trance until they finish the game after an hour and can't remember any of it but for some reason is never satisfied and constantly craves more bright and sparkly things in a world where it's always the 90's.

Spot on.

Nintendo gets away with everything, and here is a detailed list of the things they do that never garner any criticism from their fans.

"Oh, those people never give any real examples of things Nintendo gets away with."

What are you on? I just gave you plenty of examples, and the fact that you're ignoring them proves my point.

"Nintendo is a great company that makes amazing games that people love. They never miss with their games."

Ummmm...excuse me, here is a detailed list of games Nintendo has missed on.

"Nintendo never does anything manipulative like other game companies. Activision, EA? Nintendo would never stoop to their level."

Again, here's a detailed list of times Nintendo has, in fact, stooped to their level.

"Nintendo is just great. everything they do is great. Everyone who criticizes them is either a hater or shitposter."

Excuse me, I've bought Nintendo games and consoles for years, I like most of what they do, I just hate some of the things they do and wish they would stop doing them.

"Yep, haters, all of them. They can't stand Nintendo's success so they go around hating."

Literally every internet conversation I've been a part of concerning Nintendo.

@stuff238: Cod is just as kiddy bro, I know my nephew not even 10 loves basic shooting games like CoD

I feel you. I have so many examples of epicly mad sheep in here, you wont even beleive it. So imagine what kind of dedication those people having towards Nintendo. Just imagine.

My god, the hypocrisy in here is off the charts. ???

I know right?

Sony "For the Gamers" that would NEVER charge for online!

Sony "Wanted Cross-platform play last gen! Microsoft is teh evil stopping it!" - oh look how those tables turned.

Sony would never focus on Remasters! - Uncharted and Last of us with only ONE generation prior. Shadow, Crash and Spyro

Sony - "original games" tries to make Smash Bros equivalent but the cold hard truth is their Exclusive franchises are boring and thier teams can't make multiplayer games of any kind well.

MS & Sony - Selling 4k/HDR snake oil in which these same gamers that say "LOL PC Gaming you have to waste money upgrading to get the best experience! I would never do that!" and "Nintendo milking their handhelds with midgen upgrades! EVIL!" along come 2 devices that can BARELY do what they advertise (4K and HDR).

But yea sure, Sony never get away with anything.....

Forcing you to pay monthly after stating they never would.

Sell a PS4 Pro that is literally a turd..... and can barely do what is advertised.

@MBirdy88: Exactly. I also see mention of Nintendo fanboys “throwing money” at whatever Nintendo offers them or them being “sensitive” to criticism. Newsflash but this is something that all fanboys can be accused of.

because of neckbeard nostalgia

Zelda is hot garbage and yet it got perfect scores.If zelda is 10/10 then the witcher 3 is 20/10

Oh hardcore male gamer, did it occur to you that people don't have to complain ad nauseaum and all the time to prove Nintendo doesn't get away with anything? Maybe they can be punished with low sales. I mean come on now...

Besides, most Nintendo fans are aware of the flaws. We just don't post about them all the time, and people think we're letting them get away with shit.

You know why I hate Nintendo?

Because they are liars.

Lairs? I hear you cry. Where is your evidence of thus?!

Well let me tell you. Back in the 16 bit wars, there was a point when the Genesis was trouncing the SNES with it's (admittedly negative) hugely successful 'SEGA does what Nintendon't' campaign and the term 'blast processing'.

Sega was killing it.

Then Nintendo did a bad thing.

They took out magazine adverts absolutely everywhere refuting every single one of Sega's claims about it's superior hardware (all of which were true) with a breakdown of (true) claims Sega was making and point by point said that actually the SNES is better at all these things.

It was later forced to stop running the adverts by the standards commision but those lies have endured to this day and that naughty bit of hoodwinking did really save the SNES's ass.

3mhz cpu. OMG. Enjoying your square aspect ratio Nintendo fanboys?

You never played it.

This is a shit storm of a lousy thread. The Switch has gone far beyond making its presence felt from a practical and progressive device. It has wonderful game support, an incredible stable of must play games, possibly the best exclusives in the business and Nintendo is finally giving gamers an ecosystem we can get behind.

Its online is still free... And it works well for my uses. I play splatoon, and rocket league all the time and never have an issue.

Yeah i want a virtual console too... And i dont really want a classic console... I want my games on the go including my legacy games, but I'd be an idiot to not recognize how good switches indie games library has become in a years time.

Switch is hitting a legitimate 700 foot home run and it's scrambling the brains of all the kids who think powerful hardware equates to a better game scene. Which is hilarious.

@goldenelementxl: and bingo was his name-o

@jaydan: /thread

Woah woah woah,

I'm a big Nintendo fan, I don't think I've ever claimed that Nintendo games are more mature. What I think is great about their games is that they are very much, choose your own difficulty, especially recently. The main story is very accessible, while the other, more complex stuff will only be unlocked by the more experienced gamers.

As far as playing the same game every five years, I don't understand how that's a bad thing. If you or I like games of a certain genre, how is that much different. Every console that Nintendo comes out with, there is a slightly different way to play. From the Wii, to the Wii U, to the Switch, all have slightly different control schemes that make their games feel more varied. BOTW, SS, TP, and WW all play completely different despite being main entries in the Zelda series. SMO, SMW, SMG2, SMS all feel completely different as well.

Check how many will go buy a 7 years old at full price for Switch and praise it for being great, Dark souls remastered that is. Just check.

Yeah, $39.99 is surely full price, NOT!

@FireEmblem_Man: lol indeed. Also isn’t it the same price for the other platforms as well? Hypocrisy and double standards at their finest. lol