why is nintendo always able to get away with things

Because many of them didn't even buy a second game for the console, they played the pack-in until it got boring and then ditched it. I really like what Nintendo did with the Wii, but the moves MS made during that generation had much more of an effect on the industry, in part because they had an active player base to experiment with. This is coming from someone who basically disowned MS after the RROD debacle.

And this is the problem right here, this is why I say Nintendo gets away with everything. I make a post with glowing praise of Nintendo, defending almost everything they do, and you pick the one negative thing I said about them to focus on. And I didn't even say it in a way that was overly critical of Nintendo, I did it in a way that criticized their strategy because I wanted to see a better strategy, but all you can think about is who won what. Almost every Nintendo fan I've talked to over the past two generations has been frustrated with their online play, but if I suggest that MS got a huge win with the way they supported their online services and it took Nintendo two generations to catch up suddenly I'm "part of the problem." Thank you for proving my point.

My biggest question is what happens to Nintendo when the people who "grew up on Nintendo" are no longer in review and gaming media positions? What happens to Nintendo when "grew up on Xbox and PlayStation" people begin to take over?

Nintendo has this nostalgic effect on people and it carries over into their reviews, what happens when the people with no nostalgia for them take over?

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/

Fun fact: the Wii sold 101 million consoles and 919 million software. That means roughly 9 games per Wii were sold. 9 Wii games sold over 10 million copies with 5 of them selling over 25 million copies. Before you think that this isn't impressive, realize that the best selling Xbox 360 game was Kinect Adventures that sold 24 million copies and the best selling PS3 game was GTA V that sold 21 million copies. The Wii's software sales weren't too shabby. This is another lie made by hardcore gamers because they were mad that the Wii sold so well. They tried to say it was only casual gamers buying one game, when they bought plenty of games.

No, I got onto you because you were wrong. It is a fact that Nintendo dominated Gen 7 because they sold the most consoles. Whether to casual gamers or not, they sold them. This isn't about what you think of them, this is about your dismissal, along with other hardcore gamers, of casual gamers.

This isn't about Nintendo's online or the criticism. I agree that it's horrible and they need to fix their entire ecosystem. Why haven't they fixed the friend invites and made a party system? Watching my brother and his friends enter and exit matches in Smash just to meet up was horrible. All that work and the game was lagging hard. Then the lagging in general. It can be decent, but it can also be a huge mess. You are write about all of that, but that doesn't mean they didn't win. Hell the PS2 wasn't the most powerful system out there and neither was the PS1, still doesn't change the fact that they won. Facts are facts. If you're mad about that, then you're either triggered or just hate casual gamers.

Nearly 75 million of that was from two pack in games alone, Wii Sports and Mario Kart Wii and they were not the only ones...

What happens to you when you stop being a moron?

I can only speak about things from my perspective as a gamer in India. I feel like Nintendo really doesnt take much effort in terms of understanding the Indian market or maybe feel like its not worth the effort to make any sort of aggressive push over here. The biggest issue with them over here is the pricing and lack of accessibility when it comes to their consoles or games. When it comes to the 3ds its easy enough to find games or the handheld device itself. Not so easy with their home consoles. To put things in perspective (Im talking in Rupees which is the Indian currency) the PS4 pro costs 41,990. The XB1 X costs 44,990. The Switch costs 40,990. These are just the consoles not bundles. While the PS4 slim costs around 28,000 upto 32,000 depending on what bundle you choose. The XB1 S costs between 24,000 upto 34,000 again depending on which bundle you choose. The later two I couldnt find just the console prices for the standalone product. So for me the price is usually the biggest stumbling block when it comes to Nintendo. Not sure how much the cost of the switch is abroad in comparison to its competitors, but over here its a huge reason why no one I know owns a Switch yet.

To be clear I dont hate, or even dislike Nintendo. I really loved the Wii, was genuinely sad that the WiiU was a flop and look forward to buying a Switch when the price comes down a little bit. By the end of the last generation I had all three systems the PS3, the 360 and the wii and it was actually my PS3 that got used the least. Mainly because it was the last of the three I got but also because I didnt like its online ecosystem at the time. This generation I started with the Xbox one. Before you guys get ready to pounce, I should let you know that Microsoft is the only company here that has fantastic customer support. During the last generation I had RROD and the console was replaced within a few days. I later had a console replaced because the disc tray was jammed and even had a hard disc replaced. Now while that doesnt say much about the quality of the 360s build, it did show me that Microsoft was very responsive whenever I had any issues. All these replacements were done within 5 to 6 days. I would be lying if I said that didnt factor into my decision to start with the Xbox 1 this generation.

As far as the issue that people have with Nintendo fans wanting to play the same 5 games over and over again. Its not really something I get. The way I see it all consoles have a set of games that fans buy the console for. Sony is the company that has seen the most change in this regard if you go all the way back to the ps1 and ps2 days. But when it comes to microsoft for example, I love Halo and Gears of War( I know im feeding into a steriotype, but it is what it is). I like those franchises a lot and its why I bought the Xbox1. Similarly I want to play games like Xenoblade, Mario and Metroid(I sincerly hope they have one in development for this gen) when I get around to buying a Switch. Moving from PS2 to the PS3 I wanted to play Killzone 2&3 and always loved God of War. If I ever get a PS4 the first thing I will play will most likely be Uncharted 4 and the sequel to the Last of Us. What Im trying to say is that to me it seems like whatever your console of choice is, you usually buy it to play newer versions of games that youve already played on the previous generation, with the hopes that there will be new IPs added to that list as well. So I cant really understand the criticism Nintendo gets in terms of having the same games every generation because I feel like its true to a certain extent with all the console makers, with the Playstation having the biggest changes to their established line ups between the PS2 and PS3 most likely due to the fact that franchises like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear went on to become Multi Platform games.

There are however areas where I feel like Nintendo could certainly do better. The recent news about their consoles getting bricked with a new update because of 3rd party accessories is something I cant say I really like. I know a lot of people will say that you need to stick to 1st party products only, but Ive never seen this as an issue with Sony or Microsoft. Ive used 3rd party peripherals and hard drives with these consoles and it has never been an issue. The other thing I dont like about Nintendo is the manner in which they handle streamers and youtubers, to me this really shows how they are a bit behind the times with their perspective on the online world. I cant speak about the online play of the Switch since I dont have one yet, but from what Ive heard its not as good as the PSN or Xbox Live.

Learn to read.

I said Switch isn't the only one getting the remaster, yet you only shit on the Switch and sheeps for getting it. Also, you're conflating everyone who laughed at the remaster of TLoU for coming out one year after the original with being against remasters in general.

Wtf? I said Dark Souls itself is a great game (I played it years ago), so it won't surprise me it being praised as such when the remaster comes out, be it on the Switch, PS4, X1, or PC.

Well you learn to read !! My point is not if PS4 gets yet another remaster. Is that sheep were laughing for PS4 getting remaster after remaster and now they saying they going to buy a 7 years old remake because ....its awesome ! haha. But its old news i guess. Dont take this personally, this is going in general ( they know ).

Its funny how opinions and all changing after a while over loyalty. Its insane.

To be fair, both Japanese companies get a pass for BS they do plus bonus 3-4 extra points from so called game reviewers.

It's obviously just a very anti American industry especially this gen. since 360 really gave'em a scare last gen being so popular and all and they vowed to not let that happen again so alas, the SmearCampaign against MS since day one this gen. This just too.... Easy peasy lemon squeezy. lol :P

@AzatiS: Remasters are for those who never played that game from last-gen and beyond and remasters are always options if anyone wants to revisit the past. I have no issue of remastering games and I welcome it.

Exactly. Imagine now for you to have said to me in the past something like " Remasters suck or PS4 is a remaster maching wtf blabla " ... then telling me " Dark souls remaster for Switch , amazing, im buying " ... haha !

I like remasters. Are great for people that never played a game before to play it at its best. Shadow of Colossus for example, many didnt know it. An old time classic.

I don't care about who won. You go around complaining about fanboys, and then act like the biggest fanboy ever. It's like a glorified pissing contest with you console gamers.

There were choices in bundles, and people chose bundles based on the games they liked. They were going to get Wii Sports and Mario Kart anyway, it's just more convenient in a bundle. As a matter of fact, Wii Sports was why the console sold as well as it did along with Mario Kart. It doesn't discredit them at all.

That's like saying some Halo sales don't count if it's bundled with the Xbox or Last of Us sales don't count if it's bundled with the PlayStation.

Pretty much. The Wii sold the most hardware and software last gen. It won last gen in both hardware and software sales.

The worst fanboys by far I have seen are the PlayStation fanboys, they constantly flood the other systems fansites to bash on others likings of certain console. Nintendo fans doesn't do that, and the OP and others are just crying over spilt milk desperately trying to justify their fanbase's bashing over others.

I think a lot of people struggle to understand that Nintendo makes objectively great games. People grew up with Sega and what happened to them? If the nostalgia argument held that much water, Sega would still be as prominent. Nintendo works very hard to keep the first party games at a level of quality that earns fans and keeps existing ones. I also feel that Sony first party is very similar in this area.

Lets be real here. You could make this exact same post about any company.

Here's an example: For a while I've been accusing Nintendo of being cheap and over pricing for old tech. In some ways they innovate but in others they are last decades old news. One of these examples was Nintendo still using resistive touch screens. We had plenty of fanboys on here claiming the wii u was better off with them: That this was a canny move and they performed better. Now Nintendo finally caught up and Switch uses a capacitive touch screen. But instantly a switch goes off in the brain and all of a sudden, this type is better for gaming. So which is it? Which one is better? And if it's capacitive, why were those of you saying resistive was better last gen? It's this type of thing they get away with to my mind.

Their fanboys play mental gymnastics all the time. Certain third party games are crap until Nintendo gets them, skyrim springs to mind.

You are describing most fanboys.

Besides, cows are not in a position to talk either.

Took 18 months for the first real exclusive "greatness" to hit the console, 18 months in (Bloodborne). Meanwhile they are happy to go on about Nintendo "Having no upcoming great exclusives" in their second year after release a lot in their first year.

I don't see how this example is in anyway unique to Nintendo.

Same how PS3 fanboys were bashing Xbox for paid online "We would never pay for online!, Sony will never charge us for online!". All the drama about XBOX ONE DRM and the Circle Jerk over PS4 not having it, meanwhile Cows just apathetically bowed down to paid online in the very same conference.

The PS3 was a disaster launch, and was very far behind the Xbox 360 in services/features/modern online gaming. But the PS3 fans pulled a "nintendo" and supported Playstation regardless ... because of the exclusives (any different to Nintendo fans?)

This applies to everyone. This is a combination of blind loyalty and jealousy. Blind loyalty is defending dumb decisions. Like Sony fans saying no one wants crossplay, Microsoft fans defending lack of exclusives, and Nintendo fans defending subpar online/storage. Jealousy is dismissing games because you can't have them. Like when other fans make fun of Nintendo's 'kiddy' games but wants Nintendo to go third party so their 'kiddy' games can be on their system. Which one is it? Like when Nintendo fans make fun of Dynasty Warriors for being a hack and slash game, while praising Bayonetta, a hack and slash game. Hypocrisy. Or when Microsoft fans make fun of weeaboo games, only to hype the shit out of Monster Hunter. So now they like them! Sony fans when they made fun of Scalebound, but said it was the worst thing ever when it was cancelled. Thought it wasn't that much of a big deal, but now it is?

Once again, can we avoid Fanboy Wars discussion?

It might be because in the past year they have released more games which have grabbed my attention than those released on PC or Xbox which I also own. At the end of the day that's what I buy a gaming console for.

@mojito1988: Sega was one of the world's best developers up until the Dreamcast era. But like with other companies that went downhill, their best talent left them. Whereas Nintendo kept its best talent.

I don't make fun of Dynasty Warriors because it's a hack n slash. I make fun of it because it's mostly BORING! As much as I like Hyrule Warriors, it still didn't make me a fan. Give me a Gauntlet game anyday of the week (except Seven Sorrows... f*** that game), or hell, give me Dark Alliance or the Lord of the Rings games from gen six.

Try harder when dissing a company with such weak statement. Any system looks bad if you only point out what you don't like. Tisk tisk