Why Modern Warfare 2 is the one of the best fps of all time.

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#1 2-10-08
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Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

The online is deeper than any other fps to date. Yet still this game gets more hate than any other game in SW. Why is this?

Because it's cool to hate. When everyone else in the world found out about Call of Duty, gamers got mad. Though in reality, the core gameplay was still there. The great production values? Still there. Sure the game was a little unbalanced, but there was so much stuff to unlock you didn't care. Modern Warfare 2 commentaries are dominating youtube right now. The reason is because the game is so popular. Which means people like it. And it turns out, we're people too. So if the majority of the world likes it, the majority of us should reasonably like it too.

The hermits cry "Cod 1 was awesome, from then on it went all downhill", yet every single video game critic disagrees.I would also like to hear any reason why you think the first/second game was better, because I've played them all, and I have to disagree.

In truth, a game can be objectively disliked based on graphics, controls, and features.The game has all of those. So why, SW, do so many of us here love to hate this game?

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#2 oajlu
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cuz they sold more than 20 millions of copies....no other FPS games ever sell that much.

same as WoW = the best mmorpg of all time.

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#4 Yangire
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I dislike it because I'm not a fan of "arcade" shooters like Modern Warfare.

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#5 AAllxxjjnn
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You don't need to reassure yourself that it's ok to like Modern Warfare 2.
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#6 Vesica_Prime
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I don't like it because of the unbalanced weaponry/perks or the fact that the online for the PC is worse than that of Doom.

Cool, blanket statement btw bro.

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#7 deangallop
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Modern warfare 2 is great... for my grandma.

Games unbalanced, takes no skill (first one to see the other is 95% the winner.), no teamwork taking place, gameplay that rewards camping and encourages it, I could keep going but you probably get the point.

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#8 x8VXU6
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well its in my top 5

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#9 Fizzman
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Nope. Its a fairly average run of the mill shooter. Its very easy to max out your rank and after that it starts to get very boring. Massive aim assist, IWnet is awful and the SP is 4 hours on the hardest difficulty. The three pillars of fail.

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#10 2-10-08
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You don't need to reassure yourself that it's ok to like Modern Warfare 2. AAllxxjjnn
There is a difference between reassuring yourself and asking why.

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Modern warfare 2 is great... for my grandma.

Games unbalanced, takes no skill (first one to see the other is 95% the winner.), no teamwork taking place, gameplay that rewards camping and encourages it, I could keep going but you probably get the point.

deangallop

it just sounds like u suck at the game to me?

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#12 gamer-adam1
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the online is NOT deep at all whats deep about it? that they made a way to keep you playing and make you believe that you are getting better just because you've played for a long time?/

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#13 Espada12
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Movie like campaigns with enough visuals sway critics, I mean how could you not hate on that 4 hour campaign? Really? It's only 4 hours for crying out loud...any other game would have seriously been bashed for that. Then they overcharge you for new maps, the guns are imba, killstreaks encourage camping, UAV leads to nade spam, matches stop all the time cause host quits or gets lagged etc etc..

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#14 dark-warmachine
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I dislike it because I'm not a fan of "arcade" shooters like Modern Warfare.

Yangire

I take it your a fan of Arma 2 then.

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I don't like it because of the unbalanced weaponry/perks or the fact that the online for the PC is worse than that of Doom.

Cool, blanket statement btw bro.

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Modern warfare 2 is great... for my grandma.

Games unbalanced, takes no skill (first one to see the other is 95% the winner.), no teamwork taking place, gameplay that rewards camping and encourages it, I could keep going but you probably get the point.

deangallop
So make sure you're the first one who sees the other guy. And a lot of people apparently like camping. And teamwork definitely helps you in search and destroy.
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#16 Yangire
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

I dislike it because I'm not a fan of "arcade" shooters like Modern Warfare.

dark-warmachine

I take it your a fan of Arma 2 then.

Sadly I have not tried Arma 2 yet.

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[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Modern warfare 2 is great... for my grandma.

Games unbalanced, takes no skill (first one to see the other is 95% the winner.), no teamwork taking place, gameplay that rewards camping and encourages it, I could keep going but you probably get the point.

x8VXU6

it just sounds like u suck at the game to me?

How could I suck at a game that takes no skill. That's like saying I suck at flipping a coin.

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Movie like campaigns with enough visuals sway critics, I mean how could you not hate on that 4 hour campaign? Really? It's only 4 hours for crying out loud...any other game would have seriously been bashed for that. Then they overcharge you for new maps, the guns are imba, killstreaks encourage camping, UAV leads to nade spam, matches stop all the time cause host quits or gets lagged etc etc..

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The campaign is definitely longer than four hours. Killstreaks can be avoided with the right perks/strategies, and camping in the game is blown out of proportion.
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Are you serious?This game was in development for 3 years and it comes out horrible.Bad and VERY VERY short campaign and it has the most unbalanced online multilayer in CoD history and dont even get me started with all the glitches

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So that would explain why all those people are playing it then.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Movie like campaigns with enough visuals sway critics, I mean how could you not hate on that 4 hour campaign? Really? It's only 4 hours for crying out loud...any other game would have seriously been bashed for that. Then they overcharge you for new maps, the guns are imba, killstreaks encourage camping, UAV leads to nade spam, matches stop all the time cause host quits or gets lagged etc etc..

2-10-08

The campaign is definitely longer than four hours. Killstreaks can be avoided with the right perks/strategies, and camping in the game is blown out of proportion.

5hours on the highest difficulty setting. I remember when i checked my playtime on campaign and was like wtf.......

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#22 Vesica_Prime
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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I don't like it because of the unbalanced weaponry/perks or the fact that the online for the PC is worse than that of Doom.

Cool, blanket statement btw bro.

2-10-08

Modern warfare 2 is great... for my grandma.

Games unbalanced, takes no skill (first one to see the other is 95% the winner.), no teamwork taking place, gameplay that rewards camping and encourages it, I could keep going but you probably get the point.

deangallop

So make sure you're the first one who sees the other guy. And a lot of people apparently like camping. And teamwork definitely helps you in search and destroy.

I did and I got SPAS-12'd a mile away while I was trying to use an assault rifle on him, having teamwork in a public match is like finding a Jewish Nazi.

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Everything about it is just wrong. It's horribly balanced.
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#24 heretrix
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Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

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It was a mess. The story, aside from being moronic, made no sense whatsoever. The levels were designed like 5 marketing people sat in a room and made up a bunch of scenarios, then said MAKE THIS DUDE! It's going to be so effin' COOL!

MW2 was crap. Well designed? It's a game that goes from a snowmobile chase right into a Russian airport massacre.

It's never cool to hate, the game just isn't all that good.

IMO.

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[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

Are you serious?This game was in development for 3 years and it comes out horrible.Bad and VERY VERY short campaign and it has the most unbalanced online multilayer in CoD history and dont even get me started with all the glitches

2-10-08

So that would explain why all those people are playing it then.

It being popular does not disprove anything.

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[QUOTE="x8VXU6"]

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Modern warfare 2 is great... for my grandma.

Games unbalanced, takes no skill (first one to see the other is 95% the winner.), no teamwork taking place, gameplay that rewards camping and encourages it, I could keep going but you probably get the point.

deangallop

it just sounds like u suck at the game to me?

How could I suck at a game that takes no skill. That's like saying I suck at flipping a coin.

Well for one saying any game takes no skill isn't very smart.
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#27 Episode_Eve
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Well, I don't think its the best FPS of all time...

I think MW2 is a well made FPS and is balanced as it can be given the options / features in the game. The persistence and accessibility of the multi-player is nice. The SP campaign had some fun set-pieces, but ultimately has bad level design, bad AI, and an incomprehensible plot!

It's a game that I believe to be overrated by critics and underrated by many core gamers.

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

Are you serious?This game was in development for 3 years and it comes out horrible.Bad and VERY VERY short campaign and it has the most unbalanced online multilayer in CoD history and dont even get me started with all the glitches

Yangire

So that would explain why all those people are playing it then.

It being popular does not disprove anything.

So what you're saying is that people like playing bad games.
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"Deepest fps". What do you mean by deep?

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[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="x8VXU6"]it just sounds like u suck at the game to me?

2-10-08

How could I suck at a game that takes no skill. That's like saying I suck at flipping a coin.

Well for one saying any game takes no skill isn't very smart.

Of course it takes skill, just no very much compared to pretty much every other online shooter available.
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MW2 doesn't hold a candle to Timesplitters 2

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My beef with the game is that it's a bit unbalance and extremely chaotic, but it's nowhere near as bad as some folks here make it seems. The game just needs some tweaking.

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#33 2-10-08
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

heretrix

It was a mess. The story, aside from being moronic, made no sense whatsoever. The levels were designed like 5 marketing people sat in a room and made up a bunch of scenarios, then said MAKE THIS DUDE! It's going to be so effin' COOL!

MW2 was crap. Well designed? It's a game that goes from a snowmobile chase right into a Russian airport massacre.

It's never cool to hate, the game just isn't all that good.

IMO.

You're statement after saying "Well Designed" had nothing to do with how well designed it actually was. Changing locations is preferable to repetitive locations, no?
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] So that would explain why all those people are playing it then. 2-10-08

It being popular does not disprove anything.

So what you're saying is that people like playing bad games.

So it is set in stone that Wii Fit and Wii Sports are better games than MW2?

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"Deepest fps". What do you mean by deep?

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I was remembering the back of the box of call of duty 4, where it quotes ign saying something like that. What I meant was it keeps you playing for a while with all the unlocks. No it's definitely not as deep as halo.
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The online is deeper than any other fps to date.

2-10-08

:lol: stop reading here.

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#37 Yangire
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] So that would explain why all those people are playing it then. 2-10-08

It being popular does not disprove anything.

So what you're saying is that people like playing bad games.

Sure, just like how people liked watching Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, the average person isn't very smart.

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Just like the majority of the world thinks Avatar is the greatest movie ever. These examples just prove how dumb the general population of the world is, and how much they don't want to think or how shallow they really are.
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#39 dark-warmachine
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MW2 doesn't hold a candle to Timesplitters 2

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In terms of what? Nostaglia?

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

It being popular does not disprove anything.

Vesica_Prime

So what you're saying is that people like playing bad games.

So it is set in stone that Wii Fit and Wii Sports are better games than MW2?

No, that theory only applies to a certain degree. A lot of people playing wii sports(decently rated game and praised for being easy to get into)=logical while a lot of people people playing a "horrible" game=not logical
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Just like the majority of the world thinks Avatar is the greatest movie ever. These examples just prove how dumb the general population of the world is, and how much they don't want to think or how shallow they really are.DragonfireXZ95
That's a rash generalization. I think people appreciate avatar for it's effects and different story. The same way they like modern warfare for its addictive gameplay.
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="deangallop"] How could I suck at a game that takes no skill. That's like saying I suck at flipping a coin.

deangallop

Well for one saying any game takes no skill isn't very smart.

Of course it takes skill, just no very much compared to pretty much every other online shooter available.

you dont need skill to hold the trigger down. and I dont suck at the game, I have a k/d over 1, would be higher if people didnt think that getting to the top matters when you cheat...did they ever fix the leader boards on live?

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I am a very hardcore gamer, which stereotypically means I shouldn't really like MW2...stupid myth. Anyways I think MW2 is fantastic, I could play the Sniper Fi level on Veteran solo all day long it's that good, balanced and addictive. Even though I have 1000g complete for that game I still play it even though I have nothing really to play for which shows how damn good the gameplay is.

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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] So what you're saying is that people like playing bad games.2-10-08

So it is set in stone that Wii Fit and Wii Sports are better games than MW2?

No, that theory only applies to a certain degree. A lot of people playing wii sports(decently rated game and praised for being easy to get into)=logical while a lot of people people playing a "horrible" game=not logical

Yeah it's not really logical, why are these people playing MW2 when they could be playing BFBC2 a superior game in just about every aspect??
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I own face in MW2, been playing a lot of mosh pit lately, less people, not so many crazy killstreaks, I pwn, it owns. Got a chopper gunner in search in destroy today :P

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Obviously a joke thread. I thought "MW2 is the deepest FPS ever" gave it away.. Nice one TC, you almost had me.
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

It being popular does not disprove anything.

jg4xchamp

So what you're saying is that people like playing bad games.

Sure, just like how people liked watching Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, the average person isn't very smart.

I disagree.
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

2-10-08

It was a mess. The story, aside from being moronic, made no sense whatsoever. The levels were designed like 5 marketing people sat in a room and made up a bunch of scenarios, then said MAKE THIS DUDE! It's going to be so effin' COOL!

MW2 was crap. Well designed? It's a game that goes from a snowmobile chase right into a Russian airport massacre.

It's never cool to hate, the game just isn't all that good.

IMO.

You're statement after saying "Well Designed" had nothing to do with how well designed it actually was. Changing locations is preferable to repetitive locations, no?

That's your problem right there. It isn't just about changing locations, it's about making sure that your plot transitions correctly so it doesn't become a jarring mess of random globe hopping with no real meaning to them. You had a bunch of characters thrown at you in such a way that they meant nothing. If you are going to take the time to do a single player campaign it should at least be coherent. The game is just a series of glued together set pieces. And don't get me started on the ending.

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

So it is set in stone that Wii Fit and Wii Sports are better games than MW2?

deangallop

No, that theory only applies to a certain degree. A lot of people playing wii sports(decently rated game and praised for being easy to get into)=logical while a lot of people people playing a "horrible" game=not logical

Yeah it's not really logical, why are these people playing MW2 when they could be playing BFBC2 a superior game in just about every aspect??

BFBC2 doesn't look as good, doesn't have as much unlocks, and isn't as fun(for me) to play. I'm sure a lot of people would say the same.

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="heretrix"]It was a mess. The story, aside from being moronic, made no sense whatsoever. The levels were designed like 5 marketing people sat in a room and made up a bunch of scenarios, then said MAKE THIS DUDE! It's going to be so effin' COOL!

MW2 was crap. Well designed? It's a game that goes from a snowmobile chase right into a Russian airport massacre.

It's never cool to hate, the game just isn't all that good.

IMO.

heretrix

You're statement after saying "Well Designed" had nothing to do with how well designed it actually was. Changing locations is preferable to repetitive locations, no?

That's your problem right there. It isn't just about changing locations, it's about making sure that your plot transitions correctly so it doesn't become a jarring mess of random globe hopping with no real meaning to them. You had a bunch of characters thrown at you in such a way that they meant nothing. If you are going to take the time to do a single player campaign it should at least be coherent. The game is just a series of glued together set pieces. And don't get me started on the ending.

Well fortunately stories in video games are always horrible.