Why Modern Warfare 2 is the one of the best fps of all time.

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#151 dah_master
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Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

The online is deeper than any other fps to date. Yet still this game gets more hate than any other game in SW. Why is this?

Because it's cool to hate. When everyone else in the world found out about Call of Duty, gamers got mad. Though in reality, the core gameplay was still there. The great production values? Still there. Sure the game was a little unbalanced, but there was so much stuff to unlock you didn't care. Modern Warfare 2 commentaries are dominating youtube right now. The reason is because the game is so popular. Which means people like it. And it turns out, we're people too. So if the majority of the world likes it, the majority of us should reasonably like it too.

The hermits cry "Cod 1 was awesome, from then on it went all downhill", yet every single video game critic disagrees.I would also like to hear any reason why you think the first/second game was better, because I've played them all, and I have to disagree.

In truth, a game can be objectively disliked based on graphics, controls, and features.The game has all of those. So why, SW, do so many of us here love to hate this game?

2-10-08

No... simply no... Its a decent game but NOT the best fps ever...

The gameplay is practically run-and-gun gunplay and/or camping, which this game emphasizes on.

Killstreaks and Perks are overpowered.

SP is flat-out bad, hell i like Battlefield Bad Company 2's campaign better (at least it was funny :P)

The community are badmouthed 13 year olds...

HIGHLY OVERRATED by Critics...

the reason its popular? well CoD 1 & 2 were good and its meant for gamers who have no skill at all in fps.

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#152 DethSkematik
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The terrible campaign is the Achille's heel of the game, IMO...now, when I say "terrible," I mean disappointing (it made absoluetly no sense, and as action packed and awesome as it is, Hollywood style action doesn't feel right in a COD game) and extremely short.
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#153 lucfonzy
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It's a good console shooter.

That is coming from me, a PC gamer, I think that about sums it up.

Also considering the fact that IW were PC exclusive.

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#154 Ninja-Hippo
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In what way is the online deep? I'd love an explanation of that one.
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#155 Metalscarz
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

It surely shows that they have a premature taste in entertainment.

Yangire

Or maybe you can be smart and watch mediocre movies.

Watch =/= enjoy

Enjoy =/= intelligence.

You're not as smart as you'd like to think you are, if you think that.

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#156 Supafly1
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I think most people don't like MW 2 because it was a downgrade from the first one.
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]It isn't well designed. Case point multiplayer and the reliance on design tropes established, and done better in 1998. It's visuals are competent, they are not stellar like certain said games from years ago. It's central narrative is hilarious; it takes itself so seriously in a plot so broken belief cannot be suspended in this 'believable scenario'. - And yes COD1 had more memorable set pieces and better examples of level design than CODMW2. Find me a level in MW2 that evokes the same sense of self preservation, as Red Square in the first, or Pavlov's House. Rather what we have as unique is the abysmal No Russian level, which the developers couldn't even properly integrate into the terribly broken plot, let alone elevate the taste of the game.jg4xchamp

Either I haven't played the game in ages or I have right to say that You're dead to me for not mentioning Stalingrad :|

Hahahahaha, apologies yeah the Stalingrad landing was fantastic, hell the entire Russian campaign bit was.

The city battles up streets, or the rail-yard where the area would open up with multiple targets to destroy. The Stalingrad landing set it up all too well.

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#158 Raidenheart
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The multiplayer game design isn't perfect. No game is. But MW2 does one thing right. For every perk there is a perk that counters, except Commando. Killstreaks, believe it or not, are very easy to take down. The Killstreaks UAV, Harrier, Chopper Gunner, Pavelow, and Attack Helicopter can all be taken down in a single Stinger shot (you have Overwatch cIass available from the start of the game). Killstreaks AC130 can be taken out with 3 Stinger missiles. Would you like to know how? Teamwork. For a game where gamers complain of 'no teamwork' - and the opportunity of 'teamwork' presents itself, then the Killstreak system is all of a sudden 'too powerful'. There's also the Cold Blooded perk that prevents Killstreaks from even seeing you.TREAL_Since
1. One Man Army doesn't have a counter. CoD4 had balanced perks, MW2 does not. 2. The game doesn't reward teamwork, it rewards individual play. Nobody is going to work together because winning isn't important in CoD, K/D is. Yes on paper the killstreaks are balanced but when you're getting spawn killed by the other team and you're the only one shooting at the air support, good luck. PS: As it's already been stated, unlocks =/= depth. It's an insult to games to even entertain the idea that something as shallow as MW2 is the deepest FPS ever. That would be like saying Mass Effect 2 is the deepest RPG ever.
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#159 SaltyMeatballs
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COd4 was better. Online was broken in MW2 which is why I sold it, yet COD4 remains in my game collection.
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#160 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Its terrible.

The SP is only 4 hours and the MP is glitchy, unbalanced, full of campers, noob friendly to a ridiculous degree, and over all the gameplay is terrible.

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#161 psn8214
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Best... of all time? I really don't think so, although I'd be lying if I said that I hadn't enjoyed/played it a lot.

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#162 Androvinus
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mw 2 is far from well designed. not only are some of the perks unbalanced, but they are just plain stupid. infinity ward did not think before they made it. at least in cod 4, only one heli could be called in at once. in mw2, there can be 2 harriers , ac130 and a chopper gunner flying in the sky. not to mention that you can get spawn locked in most game modes. and the camping is one of the worst parts of the game. guns like the acr have no recoil and guns like the ump45 have infinite range. the game is just a mess
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#163 mo0ksi
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A solid shooter, ruined by...well...terrible design. Spec Ops is literally the only thing that holds the game together. Without that, the game would have sucked.
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#164 psn8214
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[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

I dislike it because I'm not a fan of "arcade" shooters like Modern Warfare.

Yangire

I take it your a fan of Arma 2 then.

Sadly I have not tried Arma 2 yet.

You should, I get the feeling you would enjoy it, surprisingly. Hell, I'd play co-op with you if you bought it.

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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]I'm going to say it:Modern Warfare 2 is an amazing video game.I don't even play the damn game, but I do respect what it is.

At the outset I hated on it just as many do here in SW and in the 'core' gaming community. I complained about the Killstreaks. I whined about the 'unbalanced' perks. I was just another follower who fell into the whole 'Activision sucks so therefore I hate MW2' or 'MW2 is not a true sequel. This lasted for a couple of weeks, until I actually paid close attention to the game. You know things like: what it actually offers and the steps Infinity Ward took in order to balance the Killstreaks and Perks. And next I realized, "How many sequels are true sequels to begin with?". Every dev isn't the amazing Naughty Dog.

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Themultiplayer game design isn't perfect. No game is. But MW2 does one thing right. For every perk there is a perk that counters, except Commando. Killstreaks, believe it or not, are very easy to take down. The Killstreaks UAV, Harrier, Chopper Gunner, Pavelow, and Attack Helicopter can all be taken down in a single Stinger shot (you have Overwatch cIass available from the start of the game). Killstreaks AC130 can be taken out with 3 Stinger missiles. Would you like to know how? Teamwork. For a game where gamers complain of 'no teamwork' - and the opportunity of 'teamwork' presents itself, then the Killstreak system is all of a sudden 'too powerful'. There's also the Cold Blooded perk that prevents Killstreaks from even seeing you.

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Single player is the other component that gets a slamming. It's not that great. There are laughable plot points and it's rather short. Butwhat video game in a first-person-shooter this generation has an amazing single player campaign, while at the same time sports a top-of-the-line multiplayer? Chances are, there are VERY few out there for you to find. Again, not every developer can do what Naughty Dog did.NAUGHTY DOG For The Mutha F****** WIN!

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Another great thing about MW2 is that its fast paced. 60 frames per second and controls like a charm. Because of this,reflexes and quick thinking are rewarded. Levels are multi-tiered which provide variety in traversing each map. There are many hiding spots. Platforming is a big mechanic that works very well in MW2. Due to this, the player is given a chance to showcase their 'map memory' ability and 'area scanning' capability. Contrary to what some people believe, its not a run-and-gun shooter. It's quite tactical. Especially on objective based game modes. At the same time, its not the most tactical shooter out there.

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Modern Warfare is officially themost clowned-on game this generation. Maybe because of its unprecedented popularity. Maybe because of Activision's CEO. Maybe because of glitches that weren't ironed out by a much needed beta that didn't happen. Maybe because some gamers believe its not a 'true sequel'. It's slammed more than Halo, Mario, and Killzone.There's such hardcore disdain for MW2. Much of the dislike is unwarranted in my eyes. It's truly a game that everyone can hate on since it is multiplat. I have much faith in this:If Modern Warfare 2 was exclusive to one platform, it's faults would most likely be overlooked, and everything it does right would be amplified with praise.

Well... I just think that more people should give this a chance. Unless you legitimately dislike shooters in general. To me, Modern Warfare is a game that isoverrated by the gaming pressandunderrated by core gamers. For me the pro's outweigh the cons big time.Raidenheart

1. One Man Army doesn't have a counter. CoD4 had balanced perks, MW2 does not. 2. The game doesn't reward teamwork, it rewards individual play. Nobody is going to work together because winning isn't important in CoD, K/D is. Yes on paper the killstreaks are balanced but when you're getting spawn killed by the other team and you're the only one shooting at the air support, good luck. PS: As it's already been stated, unlocks =/= depth. It's an insult to games to even entertain the idea that something as shallow as MW2 is the deepest FPS ever. That would be like saying Mass Effect 2 is the deepest RPG ever.

Like I said: The multiplayer game design isn't prefect. No game is. And MW2 is not the best online game for me.


Commando is a piece of trash.... but overpowered melee kills are a riddance in shooters today in general. And when a developer makes it more difficult to attain melee kills - BAD COMPANY 2 - people still complain!


One Man Army is out of place for sure. It shouldn't exist lol. Alot of games have standout equipment or mechanics that seem unbalanced. MW2 isn't the exception.


The game doesn't reward teamwork all of the time, but teamwork is required to win many matches. Obviously in team deathmatch one player could win for his team - because it's called team deathmatch. I've done it many times in Gears of War and Killzone 2 as well. I've seen countless games of Domination, Demolition, and Headquarters where a player has 60 kills and 5 deaths, and their team still lost. There are cases where relying on kills will lose you the game. 8 times out of 10 you have to utilize teamwork if you want to win those objective based modes. This is from my experience. Out of millions of online players this may vary.


Put Cold Blooded on if you want to be invisible to Killstreaks (actually its not always necessary). You have 5+ custom slots to choose from. And if your 'team' co-ordinates on which role each individual plays, then all is good. If you happen to die, simply switch to a cIass with stinger. One shot kill for most killstreaks. If your team is getting dominated by another player, believe me I've seen it way to many times - yall are just doing it wrong. The main complaint is spawn kills I know, but most spawning points aren't predictable. If you're getting demolished by another player guess what you have to do? Co-ordinate with your team and take him out. They give you Killcam for a reason. This gives team mates a chance to notify each other - team work.


Community is a key factor in online games. MW2 has so many players that there are bound to get matched with all kinds of KDR freaks and individualistic players. You'll also find players who like to win in other ways - like communicating. If you create party with your buddies I'm sure many people would have a great time.


You can read my previous post as to why I give credit to this game concerning 'depth'. I just look at what the game offers and play to its strengths.

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#166 Raidenheart
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[QUOTE="Raidenheart"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]I'm going to say it:Modern Warfare 2 is an amazing video game.I don't even play the damn game, but I do respect what it is.

At the outset I hated on it just as many do here in SW and in the 'core' gaming community. I complained about the Killstreaks. I whined about the 'unbalanced' perks. I was just another follower who fell into the whole 'Activision sucks so therefore I hate MW2' or 'MW2 is not a true sequel. This lasted for a couple of weeks, until I actually paid close attention to the game. You know things like: what it actually offers and the steps Infinity Ward took in order to balance the Killstreaks and Perks. And next I realized, "How many sequels are true sequels to begin with?". Every dev isn't the amazing Naughty Dog.

-

Themultiplayer game design isn't perfect. No game is. But MW2 does one thing right. For every perk there is a perk that counters, except Commando. Killstreaks, believe it or not, are very easy to take down. The Killstreaks UAV, Harrier, Chopper Gunner, Pavelow, and Attack Helicopter can all be taken down in a single Stinger shot (you have Overwatch cIass available from the start of the game). Killstreaks AC130 can be taken out with 3 Stinger missiles. Would you like to know how? Teamwork. For a game where gamers complain of 'no teamwork' - and the opportunity of 'teamwork' presents itself, then the Killstreak system is all of a sudden 'too powerful'. There's also the Cold Blooded perk that prevents Killstreaks from even seeing you.

-

Single player is the other component that gets a slamming. It's not that great. There are laughable plot points and it's rather short. Butwhat video game in a first-person-shooter this generation has an amazing single player campaign, while at the same time sports a top-of-the-line multiplayer? Chances are, there are VERY few out there for you to find. Again, not every developer can do what Naughty Dog did.NAUGHTY DOG For The Mutha F****** WIN!

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Another great thing about MW2 is that its fast paced. 60 frames per second and controls like a charm. Because of this,reflexes and quick thinking are rewarded. Levels are multi-tiered which provide variety in traversing each map. There are many hiding spots. Platforming is a big mechanic that works very well in MW2. Due to this, the player is given a chance to showcase their 'map memory' ability and 'area scanning' capability. Contrary to what some people believe, its not a run-and-gun shooter. It's quite tactical. Especially on objective based game modes. At the same time, its not the most tactical shooter out there.

-

Modern Warfare is officially themost clowned-on game this generation. Maybe because of its unprecedented popularity. Maybe because of Activision's CEO. Maybe because of glitches that weren't ironed out by a much needed beta that didn't happen. Maybe because some gamers believe its not a 'true sequel'. It's slammed more than Halo, Mario, and Killzone.There's such hardcore disdain for MW2. Much of the dislike is unwarranted in my eyes. It's truly a game that everyone can hate on since it is multiplat. I have much faith in this:If Modern Warfare 2 was exclusive to one platform, it's faults would most likely be overlooked, and everything it does right would be amplified with praise.

Well... I just think that more people should give this a chance. Unless you legitimately dislike shooters in general. To me, Modern Warfare is a game that isoverrated by the gaming pressandunderrated by core gamers. For me the pro's outweigh the cons big time.TREAL_Since

1. One Man Army doesn't have a counter. CoD4 had balanced perks, MW2 does not. 2. The game doesn't reward teamwork, it rewards individual play. Nobody is going to work together because winning isn't important in CoD, K/D is. Yes on paper the killstreaks are balanced but when you're getting spawn killed by the other team and you're the only one shooting at the air support, good luck. PS: As it's already been stated, unlocks =/= depth. It's an insult to games to even entertain the idea that something as shallow as MW2 is the deepest FPS ever. That would be like saying Mass Effect 2 is the deepest RPG ever.

Like I said: The multiplayer game design isn't prefect. No game is. And MW2 is not the best online game for me.


Commando is a piece of trash.... but overpowered melee kills are a riddance in shooters today in general. And when a developer makes it more difficult to attain melee kills - BAD COMPANY 2 - people still complain!


One Man Army is out of place for sure. It shouldn't exist lol. Alot of games have standout equipment or mechanics that seem unbalanced. MW2 isn't the exception.


The game doesn't reward teamwork all of the time, but teamwork is required to win many matches. Obviously in team deathmatch one player could win for his team - because it's called team deathmatch. I've done it many times in Gears of War and Killzone 2 as well. I've seen countless games of Domination, Demolition, and Headquarters where a player has 60 kills and 5 deaths, and their team still lost. There are cases where relying on kills will lose you the game. 8 times out of 10 you have to utilize teamwork if you want to win those objective based modes. This is from my experience. Out of millions of online players this may vary.


Put Cold Blooded on if you want to be invisible to Killstreaks (actually its not always necessary). You have 5+ custom slots to choose from. And if your 'team' co-ordinates on which role each individual plays, then all is good. If you happen to die, simply switch to a cIass with stinger. One shot kill for most killstreaks. If your team is getting dominated by another player, believe me I've seen it way to many times - yall are just doing it wrong. The main complaint is spawn kills I know, but most spawning points aren't predictable. If you're getting demolished by another player guess what you have to do? Co-ordinate with your team and take him out. They give you Killcam for a reason. This gives team mates a chance to notify each other - team work.


Community is a key factor in online games. MW2 has so many players that there are bound to get matched with all kinds of KDR freaks and individualistic players. You'll also find players who like to win in other ways - like communicating. If you create party with your buddies I'm sure many people would have a great time.


You can read my previous post as to why I give credit to this game concerning 'depth'. I just look at what the game offers and play to its strengths.

Oh, I have no problem adjusting to killstreaks and such, but that's because I have a functional brain unlike the CoD community. I have a class specifically catered for each type of player and anti-air for the killstreaks. However, I alone can't do everything on my own and since there is no incentive to win, nobody cares about it. As much as I dislike Halo 3 and rank systems in general, at least that gives you an incentive to want to win. You can go 30-5 every game in Team Slayer and still end up a Staff Captain. In CoD, you can go 30-5 every game and still get 10th prestige. The game just promotes the whole loner concept and it has no variety in gametypes. Every gametype essentially is Team Deathmatch + and objective. The game gets real boring real quick because of the lack of variety, and it gets people to play it with this false sense of depth, unlocks. PS: Sorry for the wall of text. I try to separate them into mini-paragraphs but GS makes it into the Wall of China.
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#167 h575309
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They pushed the perks too far in MP, creating an unbalanced experience. Theres a reason why Bungie, the king of MP shooters on consoles, refused to do perk like upgrades. It unbalances everything. And yea, the SP campaign is OK and entertaining, but honestly, doesnt come close to the greats of all time.

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#168 clyde46
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In what way is the online deep? I'd love an explanation of that one.Ninja-Hippo
Deep as in the amount of crap you have to wade through. The annoying kids, the annoying lag, the annoying level design, the annoying host advantage, the annoying perks. etc etc.
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#169 brickdoctor
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I must agree. The game is easy to hate on, but isn't actually too bad. The graphics aren't fantastic, but they're good enough, and very few games are accessible as MW2.

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#170 noob-saibot2010
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modern warfare was a great game.

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Great posts, could not agree more. :)

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Well, on the pc mw2 is indeed great looking. So...yeah!
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#173 brandontwb
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I really like the game as well. It's like any game that's popular though, there will be a seemingly large people who seem to hate it.
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#174 brandontwb
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]In what way is the online deep? I'd love an explanation of that one.clyde46
Deep as in the amount of crap you have to wade through. The annoying kids, the annoying lag, the annoying level design, the annoying host advantage, the annoying perks. etc etc.

Actually, it's deep because of the many different play styles you could have from making your own class, combined with unlocking things. There is sometimes lag yes, but I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be. Also, what part of the level design was annoying?

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I really like the game as well. It's like any game that's popular though, there will be a seemingly large people who seem to hate it. brandontwb
And from a game that sells 25+ million you'll get an insane amount of hate. Some of it is justified and some of it is not IMO.

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

Are you serious?This game was in development for 3 years and it comes out horrible.Bad and VERY VERY short campaign and it has the most unbalanced online multilayer in CoD history and dont even get me started with all the glitches

So that would explain why all those people are playing it then.

COD is as casual as it gets.
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

Are you serious?This game was in development for 3 years and it comes out horrible.Bad and VERY VERY short campaign and it has the most unbalanced online multilayer in CoD history and dont even get me started with all the glitches

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So that would explain why all those people are playing it then.

COD is as casual as it gets.

Exactly, it has a huge audience. No wonder it sold millions, you have casual gamers and children playing this game.
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#178 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]In what way is the online deep? I'd love an explanation of that one.brandontwb

Deep as in the amount of crap you have to wade through. The annoying kids, the annoying lag, the annoying level design, the annoying host advantage, the annoying perks. etc etc.

Actually, it's deep because of the many different play styles you could have from making your own class, combined with unlocking things. There is sometimes lag yes, but I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be. Also, what part of the level design was annoying?

That fact that IGN did a video guide to where the best camping spots are. There should be no camping spots.
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HAHA! thanks for the laughs :lol:
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#180 SapSacPrime
Member since 2004 • 8925 Posts

I would be careful staring debates like this TC, after reading all these negetive comments you may start looking for faults yourself and end up disliking a game you really enjoy at the moment. All that matters if you like it...

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#181 tehsystemwarior
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I still enjoy the game, but it is imbalanced to hell. I find that the SCAR silenced with cold blooded manages to beat my UMP close range, and the 3 hit kill with UMP at any range is ridiculous. I absolutely hate thermal sights, and many of the guns are useless. Not to mention commando and noob tubes and RPGS. However, if you can get me into a game free of all that BS, and I'm doing well, I quite enjoy it. I do wish the gaming community picked better games to love and play all year (Halo, KZ, anything). IW also let out a bug full game, and new games come out ever year. I found the SP frusterating, relying on enemies shooting at you from everywhere (Favela Level) and I think the maps are all terrible.
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#182 N7v1K0
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Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

The online is deeper than any other fps to date. Yet still this game gets more hate than any other game in SW. Why is this?

Because it's cool to hate. When everyone else in the world found out about Call of Duty, gamers got mad. Though in reality, the core gameplay was still there. The great production values? Still there. Sure the game was a little unbalanced, but there was so much stuff to unlock you didn't care. Modern Warfare 2 commentaries are dominating youtube right now. The reason is because the game is so popular. Which means people like it. And it turns out, we're people too. So if the majority of the world likes it, the majority of us should reasonably like it too.

The hermits cry "Cod 1 was awesome, from then on it went all downhill", yet every single video game critic disagrees.I would also like to hear any reason why you think the first/second game was better, because I've played them all, and I have to disagree.

In truth, a game can be objectively disliked based on graphics, controls, and features.The game has all of those. So why, SW, do so many of us here love to hate this game?

2-10-08

Stopped reading there

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#183 xBluezx
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Modern warfare 2 is great... for my grandma.

Games unbalanced, takes no skill (first one to see the other is 95% the winner.), no teamwork taking place, gameplay that rewards camping and encourages it, I could keep going but you probably get the point.

deangallop

MW2 functions the same as every other FPS for skill... all it is is knowing how to function both analog sticks at the same time, and then estimating on how to move them and line them up at a target... With practice, people get familiar with the movements, and then gameplay mechanics get involved with weapons, critical points, and how to effectively meneuver and hide. And then there is the mind game... where to hide, where to look and then thinking of where your opponent will be and look versus where you actually are... Tell me how any other FPS has leverage over the basics...

I agree with the no teamwork. Occassional you'll get in a game; but for the most part, you have this community of trash-talkers on there and not enough team-communication. Still, with a group of friends - the game is twenty times more fun.

For camping... you know the game is slightly mimicking reality? A person isn't going to go rambo and live from that. And also, all FPS games encourages camping... in fact all shooters do.

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#184 Guaracy-
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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="Guaracy-"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

There is what the TC believes, and then there's the truth.

Actually, there's what 23 million people + TC believe... THEN there's the truth.

23 million = casuals, multiplat,and good advertising, it has nothing to do with it being a quality game.

It has nothing to do with it being a quality game? I take it the 94 metacritic score has nothing to do with it either?
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#185 alexside1
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Just like the majority of the world thinks Avatar is the greatest movie ever. These examples just prove how dumb the general population of the world is, and how much they don't want to think or how shallow they really are.DragonfireXZ95
Because they have a different option from yours? You should try get off the high horse sometimes.
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#186 Sp4rtan_3
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I dislike it because its a gigantic rehash with horrible MP.
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#187 dkjestrup
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The gameplay of this game is almost perfect. What sucks is: Killstreaks OMA/Danger Close/Noobtubes/Propipes Commando. You take the cheap stuff out and I'd buy the game.
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#188 789shadow
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

The online is deeper than any other fps to date. Yet still this game gets more hate than any other game in SW. Why is this?

Because it's cool to hate. When everyone else in the world found out about Call of Duty, gamers got mad. Though in reality, the core gameplay was still there. The great production values? Still there. Sure the game was a little unbalanced, but there was so much stuff to unlock you didn't care. Modern Warfare 2 commentaries are dominating youtube right now. The reason is because the game is so popular. Which means people like it. And it turns out, we're people too. So if the majority of the world likes it, the majority of us should reasonably like it too.

The hermits cry "Cod 1 was awesome, from then on it went all downhill", yet every single video game critic disagrees.I would also like to hear any reason why you think the first/second game was better, because I've played them all, and I have to disagree.

In truth, a game can be objectively disliked based on graphics, controls, and features.The game has all of those. So why, SW, do so many of us here love to hate this game?

N7v1K0

Stopped reading there

Yeah, that's logic from outer space. :P

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#189 Episode_Eve
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The gameplay of this game is almost perfect. What sucks is: Killstreaks OMA/Danger Close/Noobtubes/Propipes Commando. You take the cheap stuff out and I'd buy the game.dkjestrup

Well, I don't think killstreaks are so bad when they're easy to take out and even hide from. Danger Close can be somewhat abated with the Blast Shield equipment. Noobtubes could be a problem in other games as well, Bad Company 2 included (Assaults can camp while replenishing their own ammo; just as bad as OMA).

One Man Army and Commando should be banished from the game though lol!

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#190 stereointegrity
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There is what the TC believes, and then there's the truth.

treedoor
this is truth
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#191 brandontwb
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[QUOTE="brandontwb"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Deep as in the amount of crap you have to wade through. The annoying kids, the annoying lag, the annoying level design, the annoying host advantage, the annoying perks. etc etc.clyde46

Actually, it's deep because of the many different play styles you could have from making your own class, combined with unlocking things. There is sometimes lag yes, but I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be. Also, what part of the level design was annoying?

That fact that IGN did a video guide to where the best camping spots are. There should be no camping spots.

Most, if not all, levels in a game have camping spots when you think about it.

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#192 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="brandontwb"]Actually, it's deep because of the many different play styles you could have from making your own class, combined with unlocking things. There is sometimes lag yes, but I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be. Also, what part of the level design was annoying?

brandontwb

That fact that IGN did a video guide to where the best camping spots are. There should be no camping spots.

Most, if not all, levels in a game have camping spots when you think about it.

Why is camping a problem anyway? It's available and practiced in most online shooters. MW2 actually gives you a tool to show you where they are (same for BC2).

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#193 GodofBigMacs
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[QUOTE="Nohtnym"]

"Deepest fps". What do you mean by deep?

2-10-08
I was remembering the back of the box of call of duty 4, where it quotes ign saying something like that. What I meant was it keeps you playing for a while with all the unlocks. No it's definitely not as deep as halo.

I'm sorry, I might have misread, but you're basing a part of your argument on a freaking game box?
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#194 PublicNuisance
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Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

The online is deeper than any other fps to date. Yet still this game gets more hate than any other game in SW. Why is this?

Because it's cool to hate. When everyone else in the world found out about Call of Duty, gamers got mad. Though in reality, the core gameplay was still there. The great production values? Still there. Sure the game was a little unbalanced, but there was so much stuff to unlock you didn't care. Modern Warfare 2 commentaries are dominating youtube right now. The reason is because the game is so popular. Which means people like it. And it turns out, we're people too. So if the majority of the world likes it, the majority of us should reasonably like it too.

The hermits cry "Cod 1 was awesome, from then on it went all downhill", yet every single video game critic disagrees.I would also like to hear any reason why you think the first/second game was better, because I've played them all, and I have to disagree.

In truth, a game can be objectively disliked based on graphics, controls, and features.The game has all of those. So why, SW, do so many of us here love to hate this game?

2-10-08

Don't know if this has been posted yet but it sums up my feelings nicely.

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#195 chopperdave447
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modern warfare 2 is a bunch of campers who are 4 years old and have akimbo EVERYTHING. it has just become, "hey guys, which one of us can play the longest and get the cheapest gun/powerup combo" but i think it's a good game, but not the best.

EDIT: also, i have a HUUUUGE problem with the way activision does DLC now. they charge soooooooooo much money and release a new one like every 2 weeks, my brother has probably spent about 100$ US on the game totally. and i think that is absolutely ridiculous.

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#197 PublicNuisance
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That's a biased chart. I can use the extra features of MW2 and put a bunch of COD4 items in red as well. A lot of those aren't important to people, and I always get

brandontwb

Who cares if you specifically use them, the point is they took features out and charged more for it. Rip off if I ever saw one. What COD4 would you put in the red ? You always get what ?

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#198 dxmcat
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mw2 is fun, but mw was much more enjoyable. Mw2 certainly isnt one of the best fps of all time tho.

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#199 PrussianWarfare
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The only reason MW2 sucks in my opinion is because of its hype. MW2 had so much hype when it was announced like a year or two after originalMW.[ Of course, nobody got mad when that was announced, even though people flipped at the announcement of LFD2 ]. MW2 was then hyped by game sites and even on the television, which some games fail to advertise on. [ The television, I mean] Then, when it came out, every reviewer who got the game to review it before the actual release date [ probably about 50, more or less ] played the game on the single player with other reviewers, then played with about 50 or so people on multi-player, then reviewed the game based on this playtime. So, coupled with the advertising on the television, coupled with very high review scores, [ which everybody should always take with a grain of salt ] kids and adults everywhere bought the game, even the PC boycotters who swore to never buy the game due to no dedicated servers, and actual did, making their attempt at resistance feeble and pathetic. So, the game came out to the public, and everybody had a good time with people who also got the game, and were playing the maps for the first time, and unlocking the nice, new perks to use. There wasn't much complaining from some of the glitches that people had.

Fast forward 2-3 months after launch. People are still buying the game, paying 60$ for a game that is advertised to be the best FPS to date. Now, some people have realized that the campaign is basically 4-6 hours of action, in which I think is kinda weird, since you are playing a guy that is in the freaking spec ops, the top **** Wouldn't that mean to be a bit more professional, more stealthy? If I need to blow up a snowy base and grab some high ****enemy device, then make sure the guys are able to escape with the device, I don't send in 2 people that get themselves caught, then have one of those people hit the demolition switch so the explosives go off, then have the 2 people snowmobile down a mountain slope, eventually jumping a 100 foot gap to a transport chopper. I don't think I would send in even the A-Team, as that might be too much for them. Hell, screw the top secret device if I don't even need it, just blow the whole place with a bomb dropped from a stealth jet, of which the US has plenty of each.

On the multi-player aspect, people have gotten to the highest level possible, there are people who have played the game a lot now, and noobs are coming in to play day after day. People have found exploits, and are now exploiting the exploit to the point where everyone can and is doing it. For example, the javelin suicide bomber and akimbo shotguns, except the latter needs to be unlocked. And then, IW patches the game for the javelin, and I believe that is the last patch they make. So much for helping your game last longer, right?

Fast forward a month or two after that. Now we got hackers, or haxxorz if you are a total home-slice, like some people are. People start hacking the game and find that the game isn't really hard to hack or mod. You can go to any leader board whether ps3 or xbox 360 and see top players with top scores, and absolutely no time playing the game at all. Any support or patches to deal with these hackers or exploits? Well, Activision was all like, "You guys don't need any support or patches, you guys need some packs!" And I guess a map pack to them is 3 new maps, and 2 maps ported from their last game, all for a measly 15$. People were in outrage, or as Activision called it, "mapathy." Nonetheless, the map pack got sold to its hardcore fans, and to its marketed audience, the mis-informed kid who was told to buy something because someone said so. I personally laughed when I read that xbox 360 members essentially beta tested the map pack, only to find this out when the maps themselves had glitching issues, to screen tears, etc. Still, people bought it, and the sales made by the map pack beat BFBC2 in sales world wide. Pretty said, ain't it, when an overpriced map pack [ and it is overpriced, compared to previous map packs to their earlier games] beat a full on game in sales.

Even after this, MW2 is still selling. It will continue to sell, and I betcha Black Ops will sell just as well, if not better, than MW2. Its sales, have allowed Activision to:

  1. Roll around in cash
  2. Overpricing their products
  3. Show the world that costumers will play the same game, and continue to buy the same game, even if the same game has come out 6 times, soon to be 7, albeit in a different setting.

Soon, more companies will follow Activision, and start to rip people off tremendously in this lousy economy, and very soon there is nothing we, the community, can do about it. That's why I hate MW2.

PS. Before you start to say, "Have you even played MW2? I betcha you haven't?" I have, my step brother owns it, and anyone with half a brain can understand and agree with what I'm trying to say

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#200 RyanShazam
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Well i do agree with a lot of what the TC is talking about. People who don't like it normally suck at the game.

Then people say the game takes no skill. If it takes no skill to get kills how come a lot of people have horrible scores game after game?

Kill Streaks aren't unbalanced. The only thing unbalanced about it is the the occasional 1/30 care packages being AC130 or Chopper gunners.

People complain about air support all the time. Its not that hard to take out a missile launcher right after someone summons a harrier and take it out in 2 seconds.

The weapons aren't unbalanced also. Sure the Newb Tube is annoying but other than that, if you are good at the game you can stop pretty much anyone.

TC i do disagree in the fact that you stated Avatar had an original story. That story is not original.