Why Modern Warfare 2 is the one of the best fps of all time.

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#201 mcwilford
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[QUOTE="dkjestrup"]The gameplay of this game is almost perfect. What sucks is: Killstreaks OMA/Danger Close/Noobtubes/Propipes Commando. You take the cheap stuff out and I'd buy the game.

Well, I think every FPS game has those concerns. I think MW2 is just fine.
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#202 forza420
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MW2 is nowhere close to being one of the best FPS of all-time. its not even on the list.
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The game is hated on because people seriously arn't that great at it. People claim you can only be good if you camp, yet a more "strategic" and highly acclaimed game like Bad Company 2 has more campers than a weekend at boyscout camp.

People say imbalance in weapons, which is present in almost every online shooter, and people will rage-type auto-aim, when it's available to EVERYONE, and in no way gives any one player a better edge than another. The real reason people hate MW2: People arn't that good at it, or need to learn to play the game differently. Don't say camping in a game is boring, and camp the whole match. Don't say run n' gun is boring, and run n' gun the whole way.With so many perks/weapons/attachments, choose the way YOU like to play, and make it work.

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#204 xYamatox
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MW2 is nowhere close to being one of the best FPS of all-time. its not even on the list.forza420

Too bad the game in your sig applies to that statement as well. In fact, it suffers from a lot of the same things people hate on MW2 for.

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#205 SpinoRaptor24
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I wouldn't even put MW2 in my list of top 10 FPS :?

5 hour campaign filled with linear corridor shooting and a horrible, jumbled plot. Unbalanced, laggy multiplayer that rewards people who suck.

But it doesn't matter much to me anyway.

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#206 The-Magus-D
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[QUOTE="Raidenheart"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]I'm going to say it:Modern Warfare 2 is an amazing video game.I don't even play the damn game, but I do respect what it is.

At the outset I hated on it just as many do here in SW and in the 'core' gaming community. I complained about the Killstreaks. I whined about the 'unbalanced' perks. I was just another follower who fell into the whole 'Activision sucks so therefore I hate MW2' or 'MW2 is not a true sequel. This lasted for a couple of weeks, until I actually paid close attention to the game. You know things like: what it actually offers and the steps Infinity Ward took in order to balance the Killstreaks and Perks. And next I realized, "How many sequels are true sequels to begin with?". Every dev isn't the amazing Naughty Dog.

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Themultiplayer game design isn't perfect. No game is. But MW2 does one thing right. For every perk there is a perk that counters, except Commando. Killstreaks, believe it or not, are very easy to take down. The Killstreaks UAV, Harrier, Chopper Gunner, Pavelow, and Attack Helicopter can all be taken down in a single Stinger shot (you have Overwatch cIass available from the start of the game). Killstreaks AC130 can be taken out with 3 Stinger missiles. Would you like to know how? Teamwork. For a game where gamers complain of 'no teamwork' - and the opportunity of 'teamwork' presents itself, then the Killstreak system is all of a sudden 'too powerful'. There's also the Cold Blooded perk that prevents Killstreaks from even seeing you.

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Single player is the other component that gets a slamming. It's not that great. There are laughable plot points and it's rather short. Butwhat video game in a first-person-shooter this generation has an amazing single player campaign, while at the same time sports a top-of-the-line multiplayer? Chances are, there are VERY few out there for you to find. Again, not every developer can do what Naughty Dog did.NAUGHTY DOG For The Mutha F****** WIN!

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Another great thing about MW2 is that its fast paced. 60 frames per second and controls like a charm. Because of this,reflexes and quick thinking are rewarded. Levels are multi-tiered which provide variety in traversing each map. There are many hiding spots. Platforming is a big mechanic that works very well in MW2. Due to this, the player is given a chance to showcase their 'map memory' ability and 'area scanning' capability. Contrary to what some people believe, its not a run-and-gun shooter. It's quite tactical. Especially on objective based game modes. At the same time, its not the most tactical shooter out there.

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Modern Warfare is officially themost clowned-on game this generation. Maybe because of its unprecedented popularity. Maybe because of Activision's CEO. Maybe because of glitches that weren't ironed out by a much needed beta that didn't happen. Maybe because some gamers believe its not a 'true sequel'. It's slammed more than Halo, Mario, and Killzone.There's such hardcore disdain for MW2. Much of the dislike is unwarranted in my eyes. It's truly a game that everyone can hate on since it is multiplat. I have much faith in this:If Modern Warfare 2 was exclusive to one platform, it's faults would most likely be overlooked, and everything it does right would be amplified with praise.

Well... I just think that more people should give this a chance. Unless you legitimately dislike shooters in general. To me, Modern Warfare is a game that isoverrated by the gaming pressandunderrated by core gamers. For me the pro's outweigh the cons big time.TREAL_Since

1. One Man Army doesn't have a counter. CoD4 had balanced perks, MW2 does not. 2. The game doesn't reward teamwork, it rewards individual play. Nobody is going to work together because winning isn't important in CoD, K/D is. Yes on paper the killstreaks are balanced but when you're getting spawn killed by the other team and you're the only one shooting at the air support, good luck. PS: As it's already been stated, unlocks =/= depth. It's an insult to games to even entertain the idea that something as shallow as MW2 is the deepest FPS ever. That would be like saying Mass Effect 2 is the deepest RPG ever.

Like I said: The multiplayer game design isn't prefect. No game is. And MW2 is not the best online game for me.


Commando is a piece of trash.... but overpowered melee kills are a riddance in shooters today in general. And when a developer makes it more difficult to attain melee kills - BAD COMPANY 2 - people still complain!


One Man Army is out of place for sure. It shouldn't exist lol. Alot of games have standout equipment or mechanics that seem unbalanced. MW2 isn't the exception.


The game doesn't reward teamwork all of the time, but teamwork is required to win many matches. Obviously in team deathmatch one player could win for his team - because it's called team deathmatch. I've done it many times in Gears of War and Killzone 2 as well. I've seen countless games of Domination, Demolition, and Headquarters where a player has 60 kills and 5 deaths, and their team still lost. There are cases where relying on kills will lose you the game. 8 times out of 10 you have to utilize teamwork if you want to win those objective based modes. This is from my experience. Out of millions of online players this may vary.


Put Cold Blooded on if you want to be invisible to Killstreaks (actually its not always necessary). You have 5+ custom slots to choose from. And if your 'team' co-ordinates on which role each individual plays, then all is good. If you happen to die, simply switch to a cIass with stinger. One shot kill for most killstreaks. If your team is getting dominated by another player, believe me I've seen it way to many times - yall are just doing it wrong. The main complaint is spawn kills I know, but most spawning points aren't predictable. If you're getting demolished by another player guess what you have to do? Co-ordinate with your team and take him out. They give you Killcam for a reason. This gives team mates a chance to notify each other - team work.


Community is a key factor in online games. MW2 has so many players that there are bound to get matched with all kinds of KDR freaks and individualistic players. You'll also find players who like to win in other ways - like communicating. If you create party with your buddies I'm sure many people would have a great time.


You can read my previous post as to why I give credit to this game concerning 'depth'. I just look at what the game offers and play to its strengths.

I agree with you 100% :).... it's not a perfect game but I love it and play every day. Anyone who doesnt like MW2 or isn't good at it.. send me a friend request on XBL and I can teach you how to play like me :D.

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The game is hated on because people seriously arn't that great at it. People claim you can only be good if you camp, yet a more "strategic" and highly acclaimed game like Bad Company 2 has more campers than a weekend at boyscout camp.

People say imbalance in weapons, which is present in almost every online shooter, and people will rage-type auto-aim, when it's available to EVERYONE, and in no way gives any one player a better edge than another. The real reason people hate MW2: People arn't that good at it, or need to learn to play the game differently. Don't say camping in a game is boring, and camp the whole match. Don't say run n' gun is boring, and run n' gun the whole way.With so many perks/weapons/attachments, choose the way YOU like to play, and make it work.

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Yeah man! Why dont people complain about camping in Bad company 2? it's even worse because a whole squad can camp together LOL. The assualt can keep giving ammo and a medic can keep healing. Plus they can spawn on each other. The assault can shoot the noobtube all day even if he's by himself... and the engineer can keep shooting the gustav! I don't think camping is a problem. Especially since there's killcam in MW2. I mix up my play styIe and own.
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You forgot activision in OP and it's a useless game. There are many better online fps's. Just TF2 and BFBC2 pretty much fulfill all needs for online FPS.

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What's wrong with MW2? I might say it's formulaic. Workman-like. I don't want every sequel to break borders, but with this many installments, it's a wonder how they're still operating out of square one. I played an intense point-capture game in BC2 and played a few matches of MW2 right after (Steam free weekend). Shooting guys is fun for a time, but after I came to the conclusion: I'm just shooting guys. Literally, pointing and clicking.

There's no semblance of a battlefield, very little team work, the maps are pretty much arenas. You have people spawning behind you so you never have any sense of where "the line" is, everything is so static and lifeless about the environments. In BC2, your squad is constantly trying to gain the best strategic position over the other team and you accomplish this by use of destructible environments, vehicle-play, and even flanking routes. In BC2, I'm thinking, how can I put the other team in a bad spot? Get rid of that house, keep an eye on that road, make it so they can't sneak up on us? In MW2, everyone is thinking, where can I hide and catch my enemy unawares? And the games are settled by who really has the most firepower. Whoever has a steadier hand, whoever sees the other guy first. CoD has been operating under the epic warfare guise for years, but really, multiplayer devolves into ten guys scattered all over the map in one-on-one shootouts.

You might be saying, you're wrong, CoD didn't invent arena-shooters. And CS has been doing that long before CoD. But just remember, they aren't putting a CS out every year.

A CoD-less world would be a lesser world in my eyes, but MW2 just showed that the devs could rearrange some features, half-ass a campaign mode, and charge you ten bucks more than the previous year's CoD. This is why people are hating, I'd think.

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[QUOTE="dkjestrup"]The gameplay of this game is almost perfect. What sucks is: Killstreaks OMA/Danger Close/Noobtubes/Propipes Commando. You take the cheap stuff out and I'd buy the game.Episode_Eve

Well, I don't think killstreaks are so bad when they're easy to take out and even hide from. Danger Close can be somewhat abated with the Blast Shield equipment. Noobtubes could be a problem in other games as well, Bad Company 2 included (Assaults can camp while replenishing their own ammo; just as bad as OMA).

One Man Army and Commando should be banished from the game though lol!

Oh man... One Man Army is sooo bad LOL. An Assault in BC2 is like a one man army sometimes too...plus the EXPLMK2 Spec for Assaults and Engineers is JUST like the Danger Close perk.

And Commando is the dumbest thing in the world. I think its OK to not take damage from falls with commando pro. But lunging farther is just stupid. I think there should be a perk that makes it so it takes 2 knife stabs or cuts to kill you. That way it could protect you against that crap!

I love both of these games though. I like to go back and forth :).

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What's wrong with MW2? I might say it's formulaic. Workman-like. I don't want every sequel to break borders, but with this many installments, it's a wonder how they're still operating out of square one. I played an intense point-capture game in BC2 and played a few matches of MW2 right after (Steam free weekend). Shooting guys is fun for a time, but after I came to the conclusion: I'm just shooting guys. Literally, pointing and clicking.

There's no semblance of a battlefield, very little team work, the maps are pretty much arenas. You have people spawning behind you so you never have any sense of where "the line" is, everything is so static and lifeless about the environments. In BC2, your squad is constantly trying to gain the best strategic position over the other team and you accomplish this by use of destructible environments, vehicle-play, and even flanking routes. In BC2, I'm thinking, how can I put the other team in a bad spot? Get rid of that house, keep an eye on that road, make it so they can't sneak up on us? In MW2, everyone is thinking, where can I hide and catch my enemy unawares? And the games are settled by who really has the most firepower. Whoever has a steadier hand, whoever sees the other guy first. CoD has been operating under the epic warfare guise for years, but really, multiplayer devolves into ten guys scattered all over the map in one-on-one shootouts.

You might be saying, you're wrong, CoD didn't invent arena-shooters. And CS has been doing that long before CoD. But just remember, they aren't putting a CS out every year.

A CoD-less world would be a lesser world in my eyes, but MW2 just showed that the devs could rearrange some features, half-ass a campaign mode, and charge you ten bucks more than the previous year's CoD. This is why people are hating, I'd think.

Sharpie125

You know.. every shooting game map can be looked at as a arena since its an closed off area that you do battle in LOL. I think I would describe the maps in Halo like arenas. Not MW2 really... they're more dense and set up like real life areas. They have tons of nooks and crannies, passageways, have multiple levels, and objects on the field. And the levels arent lifeless...there's smoke blowing around, paper floating, you can shoot through a lot of walls, cars that can be destoryed and kill people, small objects that are effected by explossions too. Sound is important like footsteps and makes it more realistic. Overall its not the most realistic game of course :).

I agree that it takes strategy to play as a squad in BC2 tho :)! In MW2, I use my awareness to my advantage and try to flank enemies (like in other games too). Its not about who has the most firepower...I can kill a guy who's using a M16 with my pistol easily. MW2 does reward reflexes, map traversing, and area scanning. And I can kill a person who shoots me first. You're not doomed as soon as someone starts shooting at you :). You can use the map to your advantage, and prone even, turning around is pretty fast too. Depending on the perks you have on will help or hurt you in situations like that too.

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^As much as I love me some Halo, it's a pretty big offender of some of the stuff MW2 does I have to admit. That's more arena than CoD, if only because it doesn't have the gritty quality of it.

When I say lifeless, I'm probably describing it wrong. But to me, MW2 lacks the immersion of other games. BC2 is one. Red Orchestra is another. All the player models stand out so much that nobody pays attention to the environment, just who is moving across your iron sights. IMO it's just unnatural the way people move in COD. Everyone's just scurrying around dodging bullets. In Red Orchestra, one of the first things that struck me when I came to the bombed out ruins of a marketplace in Danzig. My team wasn't running around trying to get kills. Everyone was huddled together in various positions in shellholes, crouching behind sandbags with thick smoke for cover while machine gun tracer rounds whipped overhead. Red Orchestra is a pretty rough looking game, but that felt like a warzone to me.

BC2 just because the destructibility :p. One of the best experiences I ever had was a 15+ minute shootout with a bunch of squads and a few tanks that took place between an intersection and a few houses. By the end of the battle, the various armour was scattered in the middle of the street, all knocked out and being used for cover. All the houses were reduced to rubble, and everyone was still fighting tooth and nail for the point in the middle.

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It isn't the worst FPS game I've ever played, but considering it is 2010; I expected much more out of the game. The entire experience feels very closed off. I don't understand the hype and critical acclaim it recieved, because it doesn't really advance the fps genre--it takes it back a notch imo, actually.

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#214 BenGenio
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Things many people dislike about this game are:

- The noobish aiming

- Cooking nades

- Kill-streaks

- No one is equal in MP

- Short Campaign

- Linear Experience, all events are scripted

- Recycled resources and levels for Spec-Ops

- Overpriced on the PC

- No dedicated servers

- Expensive MP maps

I could go on and on and on..

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It's a great game, but as any other popular title it is hated on.

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I'm talking about the franchise in general.

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What's wrong with MW2? I might say it's formulaic. Workman-like. I don't want every sequel to break borders, but with this many installments, it's a wonder how they're still operating out of square one. I played an intense point-capture game in BC2 and played a few matches of MW2 right after (Steam free weekend). Shooting guys is fun for a time, but after I came to the conclusion: I'm just shooting guys. Literally, pointing and clicking.

There's no semblance of a battlefield, very little team work, the maps are pretty much arenas. You have people spawning behind you so you never have any sense of where "the line" is, everything is so static and lifeless about the environments. In BC2, your squad is constantly trying to gain the best strategic position over the other team and you accomplish this by use of destructible environments, vehicle-play, and even flanking routes. In BC2, I'm thinking, how can I put the other team in a bad spot? Get rid of that house, keep an eye on that road, make it so they can't sneak up on us? In MW2, everyone is thinking, where can I hide and catch my enemy unawares? And the games are settled by who really has the most firepower. Whoever has a steadier hand, whoever sees the other guy first. CoD has been operating under the epic warfare guise for years, but really, multiplayer devolves into ten guys scattered all over the map in one-on-one shootouts.

You might be saying, you're wrong, CoD didn't invent arena-shooters. And CS has been doing that long before CoD. But just remember, they aren't putting a CS out every year.

A CoD-less world would be a lesser world in my eyes, but MW2 just showed that the devs could rearrange some features, half-ass a campaign mode, and charge you ten bucks more than the previous year's CoD. This is why people are hating, I'd think.

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Besides the camping issue being overblown, you make it seem like everyone just sits in a corner with a double barrelled shotgun. In the end, the best players are the ones who are very agressive and are constantly moving around. Watch any youtube commentary to see this.

You say call of duty needs to change but there really is not much to change. We're always going to be shooting people, and the A.I. is good as it is. They change the scenery, upgrade the graphics, and throw in a ton of weapons for multiplayer and you're still not pleased.

In what ways can call of duty change for the better?

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MW2 os a nice shooter but it´s not even the best of it´s year. that would go to KZ2, BF 1943 or L4D2

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[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Modern Warfare 2 for 360/PS3/PC is great looking, easy to get into, well designed, and most of all fun.

The online is deeper than any other fps to date. Yet still this game gets more hate than any other game in SW. Why is this?

Because it's cool to hate. When everyone else in the world found out about Call of Duty, gamers got mad. Though in reality, the core gameplay was still there. The great production values? Still there. Sure the game was a little unbalanced, but there was so much stuff to unlock you didn't care. Modern Warfare 2 commentaries are dominating youtube right now. The reason is because the game is so popular. Which means people like it. And it turns out, we're people too. So if the majority of the world likes it, the majority of us should reasonably like it too.

The hermits cry "Cod 1 was awesome, from then on it went all downhill", yet every single video game critic disagrees.I would also like to hear any reason why you think the first/second game was better, because I've played them all, and I have to disagree.

In truth, a game can be objectively disliked based on graphics, controls, and features.The game has all of those. So why, SW, do so many of us here love to hate this game?

Gameplay deep? What sit in corner kill dude that runs by, rinse and repeat to get kill streak, unleash death from above game over. Next map same thing. Fun? Getting stabbed from 12 feet away, with crazy accuracy? Easy to get into? Maybe easy for a house wife not to feel left out and get kills. Which this would go back to the fun part lol. I will literally not buy another cod this gen. WAW I played SP, and about 15 hours of online at the most. MW2 didnt even finish SP, and prolly less than 15 hours of online. Another words a waist of my money.
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The game is hated on because people seriously arn't that great at it. People claim you can only be good if you camp, yet a more "strategic" and highly acclaimed game like Bad Company 2 has more campers than a weekend at boyscout camp.

People say imbalance in weapons, which is present in almost every online shooter, and people will rage-type auto-aim, when it's available to EVERYONE, and in no way gives any one player a better edge than another. The real reason people hate MW2: People arn't that good at it, or need to learn to play the game differently. Don't say camping in a game is boring, and camp the whole match. Don't say run n' gun is boring, and run n' gun the whole way.With so many perks/weapons/attachments, choose the way YOU like to play, and make it work.

xYamatox

You know, the whole "people hate it because they aren't that good at it" argument is about as obnoxious as one can possibly get. What happens when players who had 2.0+ K/D ratios state that they hate it? Guess what buddy, I'm one of 'em. Or I was, as I haven't touched it in months. There is a blatant over-emphasis on killstreaks, and some of them are so woefully overpowered that it makes me weep. The chopper gunner in particular is guilty of this. You say I need to use the Stinger missile addon. Well, when one requires a WHOLE INVENTORY slot to counter a single perk, you know something is wrong. Camping in BC2 doesn't land you game-killing tacticul nukes, so it's nowhere near as much of an issue in BC2, despite it's significant presence. Don't even get me started on the lameness that is Commando and Cold Blooded. Some people hate MW2 because they genuinely think it sucks, not because they're bad at it. Speak for yourself, and not for others.

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#221 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Besides the camping issue being overblown, you make it seem like everyone just sits in a corner with a double barrelled shotgun. In the end, the best players are the ones who are very agressive and are constantly moving around. Watch any youtube commentary to see this.

You say call of duty needs to change but there really is not much to change. We're always going to be shooting people, and the A.I. is good as it is. They change the scenery, upgrade the graphics, and throw in a ton of weapons for multiplayer and you're still not pleased.

In what ways can call of duty change for the better?

A bunch of weapons that feel the same and have the same recoil doesn't seem to add new weapons but only adds skins of weapons. And adding weapons doesn't make a game balanced, and balance is key to having a good competitve online shooter. cod is for hopping online and getting a few good laughs or curse words out and log off.
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#222 2-10-08
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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Besides the camping issue being overblown, you make it seem like everyone just sits in a corner with a double barrelled shotgun. In the end, the best players are the ones who are very agressive and are constantly moving around. Watch any youtube commentary to see this.

You say call of duty needs to change but there really is not much to change. We're always going to be shooting people, and the A.I. is good as it is. They change the scenery, upgrade the graphics, and throw in a ton of weapons for multiplayer and you're still not pleased.

In what ways can call of duty change for the better?

A bunch of weapons that feel the same and have the same recoil doesn't seem to add new weapons but only adds skins of weapons. And adding weapons doesn't make a game balanced, and balance is key to having a good competitve online shooter. cod is for hopping online and getting a few good laughs or curse words out and log off.

The weapons all feel different to me. This isn't halo, making guns wildly different from each other wouldn't make any sense.
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#223 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]You don't need to reassure yourself that it's ok to like Modern Warfare 2. 2-10-08

There is a difference between reassuring yourself and asking why.

MW2 MP deep sure. Actually good. Absolutely not.
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#224 bobcheeseball
Member since 2007 • 9315 Posts

I don't get all the hate for this game either...I played the campaign which was pretty awesome a bit short but very epic. Local 4-player multiplayer is pretty fun and the online multiplayer(which I have hardly played) has completely addicted my brother and his friends.

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#225 The-Magus-D
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

The game is hated on because people seriously arn't that great at it. People claim you can only be good if you camp, yet a more "strategic" and highly acclaimed game like Bad Company 2 has more campers than a weekend at boyscout camp.

People say imbalance in weapons, which is present in almost every online shooter, and people will rage-type auto-aim, when it's available to EVERYONE, and in no way gives any one player a better edge than another. The real reason people hate MW2: People arn't that good at it, or need to learn to play the game differently. Don't say camping in a game is boring, and camp the whole match. Don't say run n' gun is boring, and run n' gun the whole way.With so many perks/weapons/attachments, choose the way YOU like to play, and make it work.

Verge_6

You know, the whole "people hate it because they aren't that good at it" argument is about as obnoxious as one can possibly get.

There are people who hate on MW2 because they aren't good at it..but it may not be fair to say that's the only reason. There are people who aren't so good and still love to play too.

What happens when players who had 2.0+ K/D ratios state that they hate it? Guess what buddy, I'm one of 'em. Or I was, as I haven't touched it in months. There is a blatant over-emphasis on killstreaks, and some of them are so woefully overpowered that it makes me weep. The chopper gunner in particular is guilty of this. You say I need to use the Stinger missile addon.

I have a 2.0+ k/d ratio and I play the game every day almost :). There is a huge emphasis on killstreak but they aren't "over-powered" (there is a new "bare bones" game play list that takes them out. Black Ops will have it too, but I think Treyarch took out perks as well)... I was playing a free-for-all match this morning and a guy took out my chopper gunner with one Stinger shot...he wasn't even using Cold Blooded. I do the same all the time. For AC-130s it takes teamwork...one player has to distract the flares, then another shoots right after to destroy the plane :).

Well, when one requires a WHOLE INVENTORY slot to counter a single perk, you know something is wrong.

You get 5 custom cIass slots from the start (you get more when you prestige, I have 9 slots right now). Is it hard to dedicate one slot with the Stinger as a secondary weapon? You can still have a M16 for your primary weapon on that slot! Besides...mixing and matching different perks and equipment can be tactical in a way. Do you ever change your specs during a game in Bad Company 2? I do! You have to adjust sometimes :).

Camping in BC2 doesn't land you game-killing tacticul nukes, so it's nowhere near as much of an issue in BC2, despite it's significant presence. Don't even get me started on the lameness that is Commando and Cold Blooded. Some people hate MW2 because they genuinely think it sucks, not because they're bad at it. Speak for yourself, and not for others.

If someone is camping in MW2, you can see where they are with the killcam. And team mates can tell each other too and try to take him out. I'm gonna tell you the truth :)... no one has ever gotten a legitimate nuke while i was on the other team. I find them and take them out or their killstreaks out. I'm just one person, imagine if the whole team is aware of it, along with the objectives in the game mode!

Why is Cold Blooded lame? Its a perfect counter to the "overpowred" killstreaks (and thermal scope). It hides you from them if they're computer controlled and gives you an advantage against a chopper gunner... I already talked about how Commando is lame.

My words are in bold...and If you can.. please read my other posts in the thread :). I like having conversations about this game with people :P.

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#226 markop2003
Member since 2005 • 29917 Posts
From what i remember it was incredibly unbalanced where winning was based on idiotic unlocks and kill streak perks rather than skill, just a race to get the nuke.
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#227 TheGreatOutdoor
Member since 2009 • 3234 Posts

There is what the TC believes, and then there's the truth.

treedoor

That's how I look at it as well. I can think of so many FPS that are way better.

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#228 D00nut
Member since 2003 • 7618 Posts

It's a good game, but its obvious balance issues overrule its chance of even getting close to the title of best fps.

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#229 dragonfly110
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"] So that would explain why all those people are playing it then. 2-10-08

It being popular does not disprove anything.

So what you're saying is that people like playing bad games.

twilight did reat in the box office. Does that make it a good movie?

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#230 2-10-08
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

It being popular does not disprove anything.

dragonfly110

So what you're saying is that people like playing bad games.

twilight did reat in the box office. Does that make it a good movie?

Yes. But you're talking about the movie industry, not video games.

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#231 DragonfireXZ95
Member since 2005 • 26715 Posts
At least I know I did some good in the world when I told my friends to get Bad Company 2 after they liked to play CoD so much... Completely changed their minds on what a good war game is.
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#232 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Poor singleplayer.. Made with a multiplayer that is promising but filled with too many flaws that catters to things like camping.. So no its no the best, I wouldn't even put it in a list for the top 10..
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#233 firefluff3
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[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="2-10-08"] No, that theory only applies to a certain degree. A lot of people playing wii sports(decently rated game and praised for being easy to get into)=logical while a lot of people people playing a "horrible" game=not logical2-10-08

Yeah it's not really logical, why are these people playing MW2 when they could be playing BFBC2 a superior game in just about every aspect??

BFBC2 doesn't look as good, doesn't have as much unlocks, and isn't as fun(for me) to play. I'm sure a lot of people would say the same.

LOL, you think mw2 is the deepest fps ever, and now BC2 doesn't have good graphics? Just about any other fps has better graphics than mw2!

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#234 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Besides the camping issue being overblown, you make it seem like everyone just sits in a corner with a double barrelled shotgun. In the end, the best players are the ones who are very agressive and are constantly moving around. Watch any youtube commentary to see this.

You say call of duty needs to change but there really is not much to change. We're always going to be shooting people, and the A.I. is good as it is. They change the scenery, upgrade the graphics, and throw in a ton of weapons for multiplayer and you're still not pleased.

In what ways can call of duty change for the better?

A bunch of weapons that feel the same and have the same recoil doesn't seem to add new weapons but only adds skins of weapons. And adding weapons doesn't make a game balanced, and balance is key to having a good competitve online shooter. cod is for hopping online and getting a few good laughs or curse words out and log off.

The weapons all feel different to me. This isn't halo, making guns wildly different from each other wouldn't make any sense.

What? BC2 did a great job of making all the guns feel different. But in MW2 it DOES feel like almost every gun is the same. They do the same damage, have the same amount of recoil(none), all seem to shoot at the same rate of fire, etc. All of the machine pistols, assault rifles, machine guns and sub machine guns all feel pretty much the same.
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#235 mitu123
Member since 2006 • 155290 Posts

Did the TC say BC2 looks worse than MW2? No way, definitely the PC version in Directx11.

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#236 DragonfireXZ95
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Did the TC say BC2 looks worse than MW2? No way, definitely the PC version in Directx11.

mitu123

I didn't notice much of a difference in DX10 and DX11, both of them looked pretty damn good though, much better than DX9.

I did notice a performance drop in DX11 though with a very minute increase in graphics, so I just stick to DX10.

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#237 dark-warmachine
Member since 2007 • 3476 Posts

Things many people dislike about this game are:

- The noobish aiming

- Cooking nades

- Kill-streaks

- No one is equal in MP

- Short Campaign

- Linear Experience, all events are scripted

- Recycled resources and levels for Spec-Ops

- Overpriced on the PC

- No dedicated servers

- Expensive MP maps

I could go on and on and on..

BenGenio

People dislike being given the ability to cook greneade? Who would have thought? Well, I, for one, never liked not being able to do so. It's one of the major reasons I couldn't get into Halo, Resistance or the likes.

Anyway, I have to agree with the aim assist sentiment.

Sure in theory it's met to assist the player but in practice it makes precision aiming unnecessarily difficult to pull off, havingunattended targets run in front of your line of sight affecting the "magnetic pull" just gets annoying. I wish developers would stop using such nonsense.

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#238 super600  Moderator
Member since 2007 • 33160 Posts

It's not the best because it's so easy to cheat,boost and glitch in this game it's not even funny. If this game didn't have these faults it would have sold a lot less than 20 Million.I heard my cousin talkin with one of his friends yesterday about boosting to get better guns in the ps3 version of this game. The leaderboards are also messed up because of all this cheating and the best people that don't cheat/camp/hack can't even get high in the leaderboards. I barely even see my cousin's team mates when he's playing this game and it's usually at the end of the match because there killing people not actually completing the objective. There's also the cheap killstreaks and activision's attiude to preventing glitches from being discovered.The only thing I kinda liked about this game is the campaign,but that's ruined by it's plot and the fact that it's hard for some people to understand the story. The level's were the best part of the campaign and singleplayer.

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#239 M8ingSeezun
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Just like the majority of the world thinks Avatar is the greatest movie ever. These examples just prove how dumb the general population of the world is, and how much they don't want to think or how shallow they really are.2-10-08
That's a rash generalization. I think people appreciate avatar for it's effects and different story. The same way they like modern warfare for its addictive gameplay.

You've must have started gaming 7 years ago :lol:

And what addictive gameplay? Are you talking about SP campaign? Because it doesn't exit.....if it's only 4 hours long. And if you really are talking about the MP, then you just answered your question, buddy.

The game is a twitch shooter made for pre-pubescent tweenyboppers with ADHD, who enjoy spewling out the N-word and enjoy "winning the game" all for THEMSELVES.

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#240 dark-warmachine
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Just like the majority of the world thinks Avatar is the greatest movie ever. These examples just prove how dumb the general population of the world is, and how much they don't want to think or how shallow they really are.M8ingSeezun

That's a rash generalization. I think people appreciate avatar for it's effects and different story. The same way they like modern warfare for its addictive gameplay.

You've must have started gaming 7 years ago :lol:

And what addictive gameplay? Are you talking about SP campaign? Because it doesn't exit.....if it's only 4 hours long. And if you really are talking about the MP, then you just answered your question, buddy.

The game is a twitch shooter made for pre-pubescent tweenyboppers with ADHD, who enjoy spewling out the N-word and enjoy "winning the game" all for THEMSELVES.

A twitch shooter is Unreal tournament not COD.

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#241 PungentStench
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]You don't need to reassure yourself that it's ok to like Modern Warfare 2. 2-10-08

There is a difference between reassuring yourself and asking why.

You sir are a fan boy. You answered your own question in your intial post with the fan boy logic of "because it's cool to hate" and thus dismissing all the valid criticism leveled at the game. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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#242 Cloud567kar
Member since 2007 • 2656 Posts

No recoil and spread which makes the game way too easy.

Too many glitches because devs wanted to save money with no beta test.

Community is terrible.

Campers

Perks

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#243 Saxsoon
Member since 2007 • 1021 Posts
A game where I die 5 times in less than one minute because of an AC 130 is terrible. Don't tell me to try and run inside, I absolutely could not get to cover in time.
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#244 2-10-08
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A game where I die 5 times in less than one minute because of an AC 130 is terrible. Don't tell me to try and run inside, I absolutely could not get to cover in time.Saxsoon
Put on coldblooded and marathon.
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#245 Saxsoon
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That's not the point. The fact that a facet of the game exists like that is ridiculous.
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#246 2-10-08
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That's not the point. The fact that a facet of the game exists like that is ridiculous.Saxsoon
The fact that you can be killed if you don't react properly?
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#247 StealthMonkey4
Member since 2009 • 7434 Posts

It's a great FPS though I wouldn't consider it one of the best FPSs of all time, though it does get a lot of unnecessary hate.

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#248 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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It's not the greatest but it's quite good, I would put the original Modern Warfare as one of the best

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#249 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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It's a great FPS though I wouldn't consider it one of the best FPSs of all time, though it does get a lot of unnecessary hate.

StealthMonkey4

Well said. It's hate is irational and stupid. Yes it's flawed, but it's still fun! I've seen people who gave it a 1/10 here which just shows how unrational these people are

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#250 WhenCicadasCry
Member since 2010 • 2727 Posts

I'm really not. It's a great game, but best ever? Is MW2 the only FPS you've ever played? :P