Why New Vegas > Mass Effect 2 as an RPG

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#1 Parasomniac
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beyond the beef

This is one quest in New Vegas. Look at the variety of skills it uses and the number of options you can do to complete it. This is leagues beyond anything ME2 does in the whole game.

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#3 GeneralShowzer
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Ill give you a better reason, ME2 doesn't even qualify to be an RPG .
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#4 Avian005
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Ill give you a better reason, ME2 doesn't even qualify to be an RPG .GeneralShowzer
It qualifies to me, but as a shooter too. More half/half, leaning a little more toward RPG.

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#5 Parasomniac
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^ ME2 leans more toward the shooter spectrum. 3/4 shooter, 1/4 RPG maybe.

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#6 Avian005
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^ ME2 leans more toward the shooter spectrum. 3/4 shooter, 1/4 RPG maybe.

Parasomniac

Not in my eyes. I spent most of the game playing it as a RPG.

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#7 GeneralShowzer
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How do you like them apples

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#8 Twin-Blade
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Well, whatever Mass Effect 2 is doing, I like that more than New Vegas RPG elements.

Edit: I had a good laugh at the post above. Well played.

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#9 Avian005
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Well, whatever Mass Effect 2 is doing, I like that more than New Vegas RPG elements.

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I agree.

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#10 alexandros1313
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That's probably because you are both shooter fans, not RPG fans. TC is right, as an RPG NV is way, way better than ME2.

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#11 campzor
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pure rpgs are boring... hybrids are the way to go
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#12 soulitane
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Good thing that I don't sit there worrying about what genre a game is when playing it then.
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#13 Barbariser
Member since 2009 • 6785 Posts

I agree. It's a pity that quest was so bugged - it's pretty much a manifestation of why New Vegas is hands-down the best RPG of this generation from a gameplay perspective.

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#14 max-Emadness
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i liked mass effect 2 more

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#15 KalDurenik
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NV is more of a RPG then ME2 but then again... None of them are even close to some of the older rpg's :(
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#16 chessmaster1989
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It's more of an RPG certainly, but ME2 is by far the better game.
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#17 Avian005
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That's probably because you are both shooter fans, not RPG fans. TC is right, as an RPG NV is way, way better than ME2.

alexandros1313

You're talking to a guy who loves all kinds of RPG. Infact, I described in one of myposts that I've play ME2 more as an RPG...

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#18 Juggernaut140
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You're pretty much kidding yourself if you think Mass Effect 2 is a better RPG than New Vegas.
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#19 jg4xchamp
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I agree New Vegas is more of a RPG than ME2. I'd personally rather play ME2 as a game though. If New Vegas wasn't buggy to hell and back, and it had a combat system that I didn't think was rather weak(I really do not find the appeal of a vats) system I'd be fine with it, but no it has to hit on 2 pet peeves. On the flip side Mass Effect 2 only hits on one pet peeve. It's combat could be so much better, but it makes up for it in spades. It's like a toss up between which game is on the edge for actual greatness and refuses to get to it =P
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#20 coreybg
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You're pretty much kidding yourself if you think Mass Effect 2 is a better RPG than New Vegas.Juggernaut140

This

Better game = subjective
Better RPG = FNV

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#21 Avian005
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Better Game = ME2
Better RPG = FNV

coreybg

Fixed

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#22 coreybg
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[QUOTE="coreybg"]

Better Game = ME2
Better RPG = FNV

Avian005

Fixed

More like broken.

The better game is subjective.

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#23 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="Avian005"]

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

Better Game = ME2
Better RPG = FNV

coreybg

Fixed

More like broken.

The better game is subjective.

New Vegas was a better game for me.

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#25 TheOtherTheoG
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New Vegas is probably a better RPG, but Mass Effect 2 is a far, far better game.
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#26 alexandros1313
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[QUOTE="alexandros1313"]

That's probably because you are both shooter fans, not RPG fans. TC is right, as an RPG NV is way, way better than ME2.

Avian005

You're talking to a guy who loves all kinds of RPG. Infact, I described in one of myposts that I've play ME2 more as an RPG...

So how did you do that? What does it mean that you played ME "as an RPG"?

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#27 Barbariser
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[QUOTE="coreybg"]

Better Game = ME2
Better RPG = FNV

Avian005

Fixed

No. Mass Effect 2 is a better movie than Fallout: New Vegas. As a VIDEO GAME, which is an entertainment media defined by interactivity, Fallout: New Vegas could flush Mass Effect 2 down an irradiated toilet.

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#28 dommeus
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="Avian005"]Fixed

More like broken.

The better game is subjective.

New Vegas was a better game for me.

Me too. I'd day NV is my second favourite game this gen, behind The Witcher.
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#29 deleterguy
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Mass Effect 2 is still a better game imo.
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#30 DragonfireXZ95
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^ ME2 leans more toward the shooter spectrum. 3/4 shooter, 1/4 RPG maybe.

Parasomniac
I agree with this. ME2 was barely an RPG.
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#31 shalashaska88
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At least I enjoyed shooting at something in ME2 than in New Vegas.
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#32 skrat_01
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New Vegas is actually a surprisingly dense and complex game. Mass Effect however is refined and carefully constructed. It's no secret New Vegas is a better Role Playing Game.
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#33 Planeforger
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New Vegas is probably a better RPG, but Mass Effect 2 is a far, far better game.TheOtherTheoG

That entirely depends on what people are looking for in a game.
For example, I prefer complexity and depth over polish and action, so I thought NV was a better game. Others disagree; it's a subjective claim.

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#34 Brownesque
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The greatest amount of choice offered in ME2 is what kind of girlfriend you want.
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#35 SaltyMeatballs
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NV > many games as an RPG. And glitches :P Doesn't make it an overall better game, ME2 craps all over NV.
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#36 Maroxad
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Mass Effect 2 clearly wasnt as focused on Roleplaying elements like Fallout New Vegas was, in fact the RPG elements in ME2 were minimal.

Not only is Fallout New Vegas a much better roleplaying game, but it is also a much better game. Mass Effect 2 is one of the worst games I ever had to play, and after 5 hours in I was losing my will to continue and had to force myself to keep on playing.

Of course quality is subjective and I can understand why people like it, but if anyone says that the roleplaying in ME2 is deeper than that of New Vegas, then he is easily wrong.

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#37 Brownesque
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If NV is so obviously a better RPG than ME2, then why did nearly every review publication unhesitatingly lavish ME2 as far and away the best RPG of the year? Oh wait, lol, the gaming press. What am I thinking? To IGN and Game Informer, a two-path good cop/bad cop character tree is a revolution in RPG design. /gag
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#38 Baranga
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In the future, I'll make sure to enjoy games based on rigid definitions of a vague genre instead of the actual experience they provide.

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#39 Snakemaster9
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If NV is so obviously a better RPG than ME2, then why did nearly every review publication unhesitatingly lavish ME2 as far and away the best RPG of the year? Oh wait, lol, the gaming press. What am I thinking? To IGN and Game Informer, a two-path good cop/bad cop character tree is a revolution in RPG design. /gagBrownesque

To tell you the truth, maybe because it it is too much like Fallout 3, and it has bugs and glitches. I think that is the reason they said ME2 was the best RPG of da year

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#40 padaporra
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Nah, the whining about the changes Bioware made in ME2 are ad infinitum, I just can't understand why people cry so much. Anyway, ME2 is not a traditional RPG, it's a step foward in the genre, I really can't see nothing that comes close to it.

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#41 Brownesque
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Nah, the whining about the changes Bioware made in ME2 are ad infinitum, I just can't understand why people cry so much. Anyway, ME2 is not a traditional RPG, it's a step foward in the genre, I really can't see nothing that comes close to it.

padaporra

In the genre, it is a step backward. Backward out of the genre and into other genres, where it excels to an extent far greater than its measure relative to the greatest RPGs of all time.

I challenge you to relate one single way in which ME2 advanced the ROLEPLAYING genre.

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#42 Snakemaster9
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Nah, the whining about the changes Bioware made in ME2 are ad infinitum, I just can't understand why people cry so much. Anyway, ME2 is not a traditional RPG, it's a step foward in the genre, I really can't see nothing that comes close to it.

padaporra

Only thing I agree with is your sig

Cause shes from Chuck

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#43 WilliamRLBaker
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Ahh as much of an WRPG new vegas might be it is still plagued with glitches and problems allot have been fixed But I'll be waiting another few months before I even touch that game.

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#44 Master_ShakeXXX
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Good thing that I don't sit there worrying about what genre a game is when playing it then.soulitane
Agreed. The "ME2 isn't a RPG" debate is about as pointless as the "Metroid Prime isn't a FPS" debate. Why do people insist on arguing such petty things? Surely theres better things to talk about, like Vanquish being a masterpiece (sorry, had to say it :lol: )
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#45 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="padaporra"]

Nah, the whining about the changes Bioware made in ME2 are ad infinitum, I just can't understand why people cry so much. Anyway, ME2 is not a traditional RPG, it's a step foward in the genre, I really can't see nothing that comes close to it.

Brownesque

In the genre, it is a step backward. Backward out of the genre and into other genres, where it excels to an extent far greater than its measure relative to the greatest RPGs of all time.

I challenge you to relate one single way in which ME2 advanced the ROLEPLAYING genre.

Better combat. I also thought researching to upgrade the ships defences/attacks and your own weapons/armour was better than just finding a new weapon.

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#46 iMojo786_PSN
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How do you like them apples

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pure win :lol:

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#47 navyguy21
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so all RPGs should have the same structure? And we wonder why devs keep churning out sequels :roll:
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#48 Blabadon
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Well looking at TC's logic someone should show all the links that can happen in Mass Effect 2 from a SEPARATE GAME! 700+ possibilities that could change depending on how you played the first! That's a LOT! And sorry, I would have italicized, but I'm on my iPod.
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#49 ps3wizard45
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pure rpgs are boring... hybrids are the way to gocampzor
Fallout New Vegas and Mass Effect 2 are both hybrids...

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[QUOTE="soulitane"]Good thing that I don't sit there worrying about what genre a game is when playing it then.Master_ShakeXXX
Agreed. The "ME2 isn't a RPG" debate is about as pointless as the "Metroid Prime isn't a FPS" debate. Why do people insist on arguing such petty things? Surely theres better things to talk about, like Vanquish being a masterpiece (sorry, had to say it :lol: )

Oh you :P

But really, people saying ME2 isn't an RPG are just damage controlling. If you (not you Shake, just a general message here) didn't talk to everyone, that is to say interacted with your world, nor levelled up and managed your stats and character cIass, then you just did it wrong and fail at RPGs anyway.