Why the PS3 is a more powerful system that the 360 from a techincal standpoint

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"] Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. br0kenrabbit

dude seriously youre freaking me out. which nursing home is it btw?

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"] Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. br0kenrabbit

You don't like to overclock yet you have 10 years of expierence "building" PC's? Yeah, ok bud. Btw, for those that are expierenced at overclocking, paying 175 for a Quad and overclocking it a ton safely on air is A LOT better than spending 500 on a Quad and getting the same results without overclocking. Again, please don't act like you know what you're typing about. DaGamingGod

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"] Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. DaGamingGod

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"] Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. br0kenrabbit

what qualifies for old in here? i've been building PC's for a decade but i'm only 25...

I don't give a danm about a consoles specs, I buy them for their games not the blinged out technology inside of them.ONLYDOD

me too.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"] Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. superferret2029

dude seriously youre freaking me out. which nursing home is it btw?

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]You don't like to overclock yet you have 10 years of expierence "building" PC's? Yeah, ok bud. Btw, for those that are expierenced at overclocking, paying 175 for a Quad and overclocking it a ton safely on air is A LOT better than spending 500 on a Quad and getting the same results without overclocking. Again, please don't act like you know what you're typing about. loftus42

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"] Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. Recca168

what qualifies for old in here? i've been building PC's for a decade but i'm only 25...

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]You don't like to overclock yet you have 10 years of expierence "building" PC's? Yeah, ok bud. Btw, for those that are expierenced at overclocking, paying 175 for a Quad and overclocking it a ton safely on air is A LOT better than spending 500 on a Quad and getting the same results without overclocking. Again, please don't act like you know what you're typing about. DaGamingGod

Apparently 31 is old to Dagaminggod. Hell my first PC was an 8086 when I was like 8. I built my own 286 at 10. Steppy_76

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]You don't like to overclock yet you have 10 years of expierence "building" PC's? Yeah, ok bud. Btw, for those that are expierenced at overclocking, paying 175 for a Quad and overclocking it a ton safely on air is A LOT better than spending 500 on a Quad and getting the same results without overclocking. Again, please don't act like you know what you're typing about. Steppy_76

Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. DaGamingGod

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. loftus42

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. DaGamingGod

[QUOTE="superferret2029"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="superferret2029"][QUOTE="superferret2029"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="superferret2029"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="superferret2029"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="superferret2029"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

Wow, so a 2005 GPU is based on cards released in 2007? Wouldn't that mean those cards GPU's would be based on the Xeos and not the other way around? You're correct in that unified shaders DON'T make a card DX10 capable, but having many of the functions that DX10 incorporates accelerated in hardware does, and the Xeos DOES have SOME DX10 features in it. I never said it had all, but it has more DX10 features than RSX does. I never claimed it was a DX10 "beast" either. Don't put words in my mouth. DX is an API, but GPU's typically are DX accelerators(and OGL accelerators). To run DX software accectably you need the software(the API)and you need a GPU that can run those instructions(ie hardware accelerated)...to call it software based is a misnomer, because a software only solution would be too slow to use.

Steppy_76

N00b check the meaning of 'circa'!!! LMAO SELF OWNED! it means 'before' or 'pre'!:lol:

cir-ca

-preposition,adverb

about: (used esp. in) approximate dates: The Venerable Bede was born circa 673. Abbreviation:ca, ca., c., c, cir., circ.

ROFL, I can't believe this guy is arguing against the dictionary now. No wait, I can believe it, after all he uses 'LOLz' because he thinks it's cool :roll:.

loftus42, I buy my own CPU's. I love how an older person like yourself is resorting to name calling. Pathetic. LoL! I no longer have anything else to type to you. Waste of time.

Btw, how is saving hundreds of dollars on a CPU and overclocking it safely to get the same amount of power when compared to a CPU costing hundreds more being foolish? You make me yawn.

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. DaGamingGod

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]You don't like to overclock yet you have 10 years of expierence "building" PC's? Yeah, ok bud. Btw, for those that are expierenced at overclocking, paying 175 for a Quad and overclocking it a ton safely on air is A LOT better than spending 500 on a Quad and getting the same results without overclocking. Again, please don't act like you know what you're typing about. Steppy_76

Well you can't hear it when you play games,movies or music.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. Steppy_76

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. loftus42

Overlocking does shorten life spend... but before it dies... you'll probably already have moved on the next gen processor.

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]You don't like to overclock yet you have 10 years of expierence "building" PC's? Yeah, ok bud. Btw, for those that are expierenced at overclocking, paying 175 for a Quad and overclocking it a ton safely on air is A LOT better than spending 500 on a Quad and getting the same results without overclocking. Again, please don't act like you know what you're typing about. DaGamingGod

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. Bebi_vegeta

Overlocking does shorten life spend... but before it dies... you'll probably already have moved on the next gen processor.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]You don't like to overclock yet you have 10 years of expierence "building" PC's? Yeah, ok bud. Btw, for those that are expierenced at overclocking, paying 175 for a Quad and overclocking it a ton safely on air is A LOT better than spending 500 on a Quad and getting the same results without overclocking. Again, please don't act like you know what you're typing about. loftus42

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. Steppy_76

If you can bring a Q6600 to 3.33Ghz, you just saved yourself a whole lot of dollars instead of buying yourself the high end processor in the $1000. And that's not even a risky overclock...

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. DaGamingGod

That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.DaGamingGod

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.Recca168

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

If you can play games or do 3dmark flawlessly, chances are your overclock is fine. You just need to fallow a few rules, don't have temps higher then chip limit and don't have volt over chip limit either. Intel CPU come with bad heatsink and if your PC is badly ventilated it will take it. So having a good heatsink and overclocking is just the same, but with performance increase.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.Recca168

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.Recca168

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Steppy_76, it's cool if you don't trust yourself overclocking CPU's. Not everyone knows how. Ask loftus42. loftus42

[QUOTE="Recca168"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.loftus42

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

[QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="Recca168"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.DaGamingGod

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

[QUOTE="Recca168"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.DaGamingGod

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

Way to completely miss the point. Here's the rest of the post since you seem to have ignored it...

I'm sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills to pay now.

[QUOTE="lolkie_81"][QUOTE="superferret2029"]

As we all know, the Power PC RISC architecture expired from the Mac scene a while back when Apple decided to start using Intel processors. Somehow, Micro$oft thought it would be hot to include a dinosaur in their console. Even though the cell and power PC processors were both devd by IBM, the cell is the replacement for the Power PC. Oh BTW check these links out, youll notice that the peak bandwith for the X360s processor is a joke compared to the Cell's bandwith

XB360 peak bandwith: 21.6Gb/sec PROOF: (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1877385,00.asp)

PS3 Cell peak bandwith: 300Gb/sec (200Gb/sec sustained) and Chipset bandwith: 25.6Gb/sec PROOF: (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1877979,00.asp)

superferret2029

As we all know, the Power PC RISC architecture expired from the Mac scene a while back when Apple decided to start using Intel processors. Somehow, Micro$oft thought it would be hot to include a dinosaur in their console. Even though the cell and power PC processors were both devd by IBM, the cell is the replacement for the Power PC. Oh BTW check these links out, youll notice that the peak bandwith for the X360s processor is a joke compared to the Cell's bandwith

XB360 peak bandwith: 21.6Gb/sec PROOF: (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1877385,00.asp)

PS3 Cell peak bandwith: 300Gb/sec (200Gb/sec sustained) and Chipset bandwith: 25.6Gb/sec PROOF: (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1877979,00.asp)

superferret2029

Why the new account? I thought graphics depended on the gpu, dosent the 360 have a better gpu? Was the cell designed for use in gaming consoles? What is all that peak bandwith going to do. What is the advantage of it? How do we know the 360 cpu is not better for gaming as that is what it was designed for? The thing is 99% of people on SW dont know s***, myself included. If you cant answer any of those questions why did you make this tread?

Dude you are clearly clueless about the hardware. stick to arguing about games. I for one, know for a fact that the PS3's GPU is better and faster than the Xenos. Ive seen benchmarks on them. If you doubt me, go out and buy a NVidia GeForce 8800GTX dual processor chipset (a rough equivalent of whats running in the PS3) then buy ANY dual processor ATI shipset (since ATI made theGPU for microsoft. Run 3dMark benchmarks on them and see who comeson top. Its been well known in the PC community that NVidia chipsethave ALWAYS been more powerful than ATI chipsets. go check PCMAG.com or any computer mag that benchmark products or open up both consoles and benchmark it like yourself just like I did. You have NO technical background in hardware.You just seem to have a skill for spitting out the jargon like you know what youre talking about. I live hardware dude.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Recca168"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.Recca168

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

Way to completely miss the point. Here's the rest of the post since you seem to have ignored it...

I'm sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills to pay now.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="Recca168"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.loftus42

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="loftus42"][QUOTE="Recca168"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]That's cool and all but I haven't had 1 problem with my overclocked CPU's. I test them for hours on end to make sure that they're 100 percent stable. I haven't had 1 CPU die on me though and I can understand how an older person like you who doesn't game much would love to have a slower running but silent PC.loftus42

A couple hours isn't really a good measure of reliability. I sure its running stable and all but theres always the risk that the chip will fail early. It could die on you in a couple months or it may just still last a couple years. I'm just not willing to spend money on replacing parts if I can help it. I build a PC so it can run games at reasonably high settings for about 3 years and then replace it. Got other bills the pay now.

Good lord just end it, you are both wrong in your own ways and also both right.

Overclocking is great if you wish to save money by buying a cheaper part and obtaining the speeds of more expensive parts. However, you are not always guaranteed to get a good overclock, you need to spend more on accessories such as decent HSF's, water cooling or motherboard. Also, you must do a fair bit of reading on which parts to buy and which bios revisions to use in order to get the most out of it.

On the other hand buying top of the line parts is silly unless money is of no object. The best CPU's and GPU's you can buy will often cost 2 or 3 times the amount of the next best thing and give little or no appreciable difference in real world situations. Considering money is of some relevance to 99.999% of the worlds population it would be ridiculous to assume that the best method for achieving performance is just to throw as much at it as possible.

If you are lucky enough to not consider a few hundred extra $ a problem to spend it is always better to buy and run a part at stock speeds than to overclock. You will be more stable, run cooler and thus be able to consider things such as noise to be more of a priority.

In conclusion there is not one situation that fits all and all have there benefits and drawbacks. Now please shut up the both of you!

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]it's been common knowledge since the specs of both consoles were announced that the ps3 is more powerful. but get this sherlock, more power doesn't mean better games or guarantee success. funny how the 360 has a better library of titles and the wii, a technically inferior, is outselling both of them.superferret2029

Lets get this straight 'sherlock'...The 360 doesnt have a better library than the PS3. It just arrived before the PS3. Quantity doesnt = quality. Bald space marines and GT wannabes dont count as 'better' titles. Besides, this thread is not about sales. If you want to talk about sales, start another thread on your own. Seriously

Lol, I was taking you semi-serously, then saw this and now I can't take you seriously. Too much of a fanboy. I mean, come on, learn how to argue out your point an intelligent manner rather then spouting off random fanboy comments about bald space marines. Lmao.

Stonin, guess you didn't read any of my posts because I never disagreed with your points. I only stated what I liked to do which is overclock cheaper CPU's and get the same performance as more expensive procs. DaGamingGod

I read them all. I understand what both of you were saying but I think you both lost perspective on what it was you were actually argueing about. I just threw that post in there to stop some of the mud slinging.

Also, feel free to hit me up with any questions you like with regards to current sweet spots within todays hardware market. I am a Computer Engineer by trade and have built literally hundreds of PC's, for every type of application you can imagine, over the past 15 years and still do so on a daily basis :).

Hey loftus42, here's my credibility. Where's yours?

Main gaming rig

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5886/pwntdg2.jpg

2nd gaming rig

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7770/pwnt2dh3.jpg

Now, back to my school work. Feels good to own folks.

Btw loftus42, I don't expect you to provide proof (no cred) but I wanted to clear my name anyways.

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]Stonin, guess you didn't read any of my posts because I never disagreed with your points. I only stated what I liked to do which is overclock cheaper CPU's and get the same performance as more expensive procs. Stonin

I read them all. I understand what both of you were saying but I think you both lost perspective on what it was you were actually argueing about. I just threw that post in there to stop some of the mud slinging.

Also, feel free to hit me up with any questions you like with regards to current sweet spots within todays hardware market. I am a Computer Engineer by trade and have built literally hundreds of PC's, for every type of application you can imagine, over the past 15 years and still do so on a daily basis :).