Wii 2 (Project Cafe) may not have a hard drive. Just 8gb of Flash memory

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#51 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]ridiculous controller? It's basically a gamecube pad with a touch screen. Nothing too out there (according to the rumors anyway)Shinobishyguy

Having to focus on two some separate screens seems kind of ridiculous, not to mention how much more expensive it will probably be.

y'know, people said the exact same thing about the DS...

There's a difference between a top and bottom screen the same sizea half inch from each other, anda smalltouch screen on the controller and a hugeTV a few feet away. And again, it would be very expensive to replace.

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#52 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Having to focus on two some separate screens seems kind of ridiculous, not to mention how much more expensive it will probably be.

StealthMonkey4

y'know, people said the exact same thing about the DS...

There's a difference between a top and bottom screen the same sizea half inch from each other, anda smalltouch screen on the controller and a hugeTV a few feet away. And again, it would be very expensive to replace.

the screen on the controller is likely to just be for the menu screen, where you can choose items and such, and not have to focus on the tv at the same time.

and, it's supposed to be like the dreamcast vmu - i.e. removeable.

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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]ridiculous controller? It's basically a gamecube pad with a touch screen. Nothing too out there (according to the rumors anyway)Shinobishyguy

Having to focus on two some separate screens seems kind of ridiculous, not to mention how much more expensive it will probably be.

y'know, people said the exact same thing about the DS...

That's a terrible analogy. The DS screens are literally connected right to each other. A TV screen and a controller are not.

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#54 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]y'know, people said the exact same thing about the DS...

theuncharted34

There's a difference between a top and bottom screen the same sizea half inch from each other, anda smalltouch screen on the controller and a hugeTV a few feet away. And again, it would be very expensive to replace.

the screen on the controller is likely to just be for the menu screen, where you can choose items and such, and not have to focus on the tv at the same time.

and, it's supposed to be like the dreamcast vmu - i.e. removeable.

That's an even bigger waste, a screen just for menus...:lol:

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#55 haziqonfire
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Flash Memory is better, its faster and less error prone -- but it's more expensive. Considering Nintendo likes to keep their BOM low, I suspect this is false. I'd fully expect them to go with a HDD option considering its cheaper. At this point I consider most rumours utterly false. E3 is a month away, I'll wait till then.
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#56 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Having to focus on two some separate screens seems kind of ridiculous, not to mention how much more expensive it will probably be.

Giant_Panda

y'know, people said the exact same thing about the DS...

That's a terrible analogy. The DS screens are literally connected right to each other. A TV screen and a controller are not.

even so there' still a benefit to having a second screen to display maps and inventories without having to pause the game. Plus it opens up alot of control possibilities.
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#57 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

There's a difference between a top and bottom screen the same sizea half inch from each other, anda smalltouch screen on the controller and a hugeTV a few feet away. And again, it would be very expensive to replace.

StealthMonkey4

the screen on the controller is likely to just be for the menu screen, where you can choose items and such, and not have to focus on the tv at the same time.

and, it's supposed to be like the dreamcast vmu - i.e. removeable.

That's an even bigger waste, a screen just for menus...:lol:

well, I really don't know, I know that's going to be a feature but I don't know what else.

I'm sure it'll be like magic, this is nintendo.

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#58 2Chalupas
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If it uses a fast blu-ray drive (like 8x or 16x) then maybe it won't need any installs. The reason the PS3 needs installs is because the blu-ray drive is only 2x. I use up 120GB *EASILY* on the PS3, but it's mostly because of game installs. I think you could get away with 32GB or 16GB if you didn't need any game installs at all. 8 GB is pretty skimpy though. I hope it's not true. The more I hear about this "Project Cafe" the more it sounds like it's something I'm not going to care for.
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#59 hofuldig
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Hell Im fone with 2 GB memory on my 360 and I dont think Ive used more than 3 GBs on my PS3. Sounds like more than enough.

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this person has never played or owned a PS3. you can tell lol.
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#60 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]y'know, people said the exact same thing about the DS...

Shinobishyguy

That's a terrible analogy. The DS screens are literally connected right to each other. A TV screen and a controller are not.

even so there' still a benefit to having a second screen to display maps and inventories without having to pause the game. Plus it opens up alot of control possibilities.

I think it just sounds like another gimmick, like the useless motion controls; first there was useless motion controls, then bad, eye-hurting 3D, now there's expensive, useless screens on controllers. Expect another huge wave of shovelware utilizing just this gimmick.

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#61 TintedEyes
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Fail, should come standard with an HDD.
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#62 GameboyTroy
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Why do people pretend rumors are reality?

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I don't know. I'm not sure if its true. People should be careful about rumors, not all rumors are true.

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#63 Twin-Blade
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I'll buy one either way because of the games & I know how reliable the hardware is, but with rumours of a screen in the middle of the screen, some 'feel' technology in the controller & only a 8GB flash drive, I'm worried. However it seems like its a step up from the Wii either way for the core audiences & I've enjoyed the Wii a lot despite hating motion controls.

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#64 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

That's a terrible analogy. The DS screens are literally connected right to each other. A TV screen and a controller are not.

StealthMonkey4

even so there' still a benefit to having a second screen to display maps and inventories without having to pause the game. Plus it opens up alot of control possibilities.

I think it just sounds like another gimmick, liketheuseless motion controls; first there wasuseless motion controls, then bad, eye-hurting 3D, now there'sexpensive, useless screens on controllers. Expect another huge wave of shovelware utilizing just this gimmick.

most likely the only wii games you've played are games like cooking mama. and I'd wager you haven't even seen the 3ds in person yet, and lastly you have no idea what the price of these controllers will be. what about rumble? was that a useless gimmick? you know you have that because of nintendo right? what about analouge control? yep, nintendo.

just another day at gamespot...

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#65 Marka1700
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I wouldn't be surprised it it turned out to be true. Nintendo always make a storage space mistake. Let me guess, no Ethernet or HDMI too.
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#66 2Chalupas
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[QUOTE="Shirokishi_"]

Hell Im fone with 2 GB memory on my 360 and I dont think Ive used more than 3 GBs on my PS3. Sounds like more than enough.

hofuldig

this person has never played or owned a PS3. you can tell lol.

Yeah. GT5 alone takes up 10GB. Even the 1st patch for that game was another 1GB on top of the install!!!!

So many games have mandatory installs over 3GB though that it's impossible to believe you could stay under 3GB. Nevermind the fact that many of the demos and downloadable games are at least 1 or 2GB each, patches can be 1GB+. There's literally NO WAY you can have a PS3 and not use 3GB, unless of course you have no games and don't hook it up to the internet...

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#67 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]even so there' still a benefit to having a second screen to display maps and inventories without having to pause the game. Plus it opens up alot of control possibilities.theuncharted34

I think it just sounds like another gimmick, liketheuseless motion controls; first there wasuseless motion controls, then bad, eye-hurting 3D, now there'sexpensive, useless screens on controllers. Expect another huge wave of shovelware utilizing just this gimmick.

most likely the only wii games you've played are games like cooking mama. and I'd wager you haven't even seen the 3ds in person yet, and lastly you have no idea what the price of these controllers will be. what about rumble? was that a useless gimmick? you know you have that because of nintendo right? what about analouge control? yep, nintendo.

just another day at gamespot...

No, I've played plenty of games on the Wii, however a lot of games make unnecessary use of motion controls and ends up dragging the game down. I have played the 3DS in person, it hurt my eyes after just a few minutes, and I don't, but if they have touch screens on them I'd imagine thye'd be more expensive than a standard controller. Rumble is a useless gimmick, I always turn it off, dual analog isn't.Not thateither of those matter to the conversation anyways, they may have been innovative, but as of recently Nintendo seems like they just dishing out lamegimmicks to draw attention of casuals.

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#68 osan0
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as i mentioned in another topic...that would be dissapointing if true. i dont think ninty will allow installs (too bloody right they wont) so it wont be eaten that fast. but DLC is just going to get bigger and bigger. if it is true then hopefully ninty will also allow content to run off external storage and not repeat the mess that is the wiis storage solution. ideally an external HDD but big SD cards would also be ok. by biggest dissapointment with this rumour, if its true, is that ninty are unlikely going to allow devs to use that 8GB for cache. cache is awesome...caching allows games from oblivion to halo 3 to load faster on the 360....it allows uncharted to function on the PS3 without major loading every few mins...its what made games like halo possible on the xbox 1. ...mind you if ninty did allow it for caching then it would make for an awesome buffer compared to a HDD. but, like the wii, i dont think they will. so yeah...dissapointing if true. 25GB disc storage is good though....i just hope its fast at loading data (especially if caching is off the table). within reason id prefer speed to capacity. the rumour says nothing about the disc tech used but it sounds like blu-ray or a spin off of it. however anyone hoping for a blu-ray player out of the box should probably scrap that hope (and personally i hope it doesnt..i have 1 blu-ray player which i dont use and i dont fancy paying the licence fee again). at best they may provide playback software as an extra expense (to cover the licneces) through the wii2 store (coffee shop? sorry couldnt resist :( ).
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#69 cain006
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Well I guess that means that newer downloadable games won't be put on the wii. That's kind of dissapointing.

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I'll buy one either way because of the games & I know how reliable the hardware is, but with rumours of a screen in the middle of the screen, some 'feel' technology in the controller & only a 8GB flash drive, I'm worried. However it seems like its a step up from the Wii either way for the core audiences & I've enjoyed the Wii a lot despite hating motion controls.

Twin-Blade

did Xzibit design the controller?

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#71 Dibdibdobdobo
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wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....
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#72 RogueShodown
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[QUOTE="Grawse"]

If true, that's almost as pathetic as 4 gig 360s.

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Actually worse. A 4gb Xbox 360 can be upgraded with a hard drive. Meanwhile, a Project Cafe may only be upgraded with an SD card. Unless Nintendo decides to add a HDD slot (highly unlikely)

Both are inexcusable. At this point, they're just doing this to nickle and dime consumers. Sony and Nintendo did the same thing last gen with memory cards. Man, were those 8mb memory cards annoyingly small in space, even for 2004.
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#73 Dibdibdobdobo
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[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

I'll buy one either way because of the games & I know how reliable the hardware is, but with rumours of a screen in the middle of the screen, some 'feel' technology in the controller & only a 8GB flash drive, I'm worried. However it seems like its a step up from the Wii either way for the core audiences & I've enjoyed the Wii a lot despite hating motion controls.

Shinobishyguy

did Xzibit design the controller?

He's too busy screaming "ARGHHH" and being a "Alkholic" while attempting to "get your groove on"
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#74 YoYo278
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Tbh I don't know what people expect, their last hardware release barely has the processing power of the Wii, i wouldn't be suprised if this is a complete step backwards in order to somehow appeal to nostalgic gimmicks

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#75 Dibdibdobdobo
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Tbh I don't know what people expect, their last hardware release barely has the processing power of the Wii, i wouldn't be suprised if this is a complete step backwards in order to somehow appeal to nostalgic gimmicks

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Makes no sense at all.
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wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....Dibdibdobdobo

It's not an "I hate Nintendo" thread, it's just a thread about a terrible design choice Nintendo made and people having justified anger over it.

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#77 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

That's a terrible analogy. The DS screens are literally connected right to each other. A TV screen and a controller are not.

StealthMonkey4

even so there' still a benefit to having a second screen to display maps and inventories without having to pause the game. Plus it opens up alot of control possibilities.

I think it just sounds like another gimmick, like the useless motion controls; first there was useless motion controls, then bad, eye-hurting 3D, now there's expensive, useless screens on controllers. Expect another huge wave of shovelware utilizing just this gimmick.

and how do you know the screens are going to be useless :/

Again, it's been proven with the DS that having a touchscreen along with buttons is a boon to many different types of games.

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wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....Dibdibdobdobo
Don't forget original. No one ever takes rumors and makes them out to be confirmed truth, which is such a logical thing to do. Amirite?

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#79 22Toothpicks
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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....StealthMonkey4

It's not an "I hate Nintendo" thread, it's just a thread about a terrible design choice Nintendo made and people having justified anger over it.

What..is...this? A rumor is now enough for confirmation? Really?
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#80 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]even so there' still a benefit to having a second screen to display maps and inventories without having to pause the game. Plus it opens up alot of control possibilities.Shinobishyguy

I think it just sounds like another gimmick, like the useless motion controls; first there was useless motion controls, then bad, eye-hurting 3D, now there's expensive, useless screens on controllers. Expect another huge wave of shovelware utilizing just this gimmick.

and how do you know the screens are going to be useless :/

Again, it's been proven with the DS that having a touchscreen along with buttons is a boon to many different types of games.

It's a different story for consoles though, having a small screen on the controller and having a huge TV a few feet away just sounds frustrating and pointless more than anything. Nintendo needs to stop trying to "innovate" and actually get some good games and features on their consoles.

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#82 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....22Toothpicks

It's not an "I hate Nintendo" thread, it's just a thread about a terrible design choice Nintendo made and people having justified anger over it.

What..is...this? A rumor is now enough for confirmation? Really?

I didn't say that, I realize it's a rumor, however it is a very likely rumor.

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#83 Dibdibdobdobo
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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....StealthMonkey4

It's not an "I hate Nintendo" thread, it's just a thread about a terrible design choice Nintendo made and people having justified anger over it.

No its a nintendo hate thread as nothing is confirmed, Simple as that. So much misinformation its a joke. Terrible design choices?! Can you 100% say what those design choices are... NOOOO. Every console has bad design choices whether you like it or not. Nothing justified what so ever. Your just hating as per usual.
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#84 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="YoYo278"]

Tbh I don't know what people expect, their last hardware release barely has the processing power of the Wii, i wouldn't be suprised if this is a complete step backwards in order to somehow appeal to nostalgic gimmicks

22Toothpicks

Oh sweet Jebus Rice...some of the posts in this thread are just plain moronic. :/

I don't see how it's moronic, Nintendo is doing useless gimmicks in order to improve sales.

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#85 22Toothpicks
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[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

It's not an "I hate Nintendo" thread, it's just a thread about a terrible design choice Nintendo made and people having justified anger over it.

StealthMonkey4

What..is...this? A rumor is now enough for confirmation? Really?

I didn't say that, I realize it's a rumor, however it is a very likely rumor.



Yes, you did say that. Right there. See. Can you see it? Hmmm?

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#86 Dibdibdobdobo
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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....22Toothpicks

Don't forget original. No one ever takes rumors and makes them out to be confirmed truth, which is such a logical thing to do. Amirite?

On here its fact until proven otherwise.
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#87 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....Dibdibdobdobo

It's not an "I hate Nintendo" thread, it's just a thread about a terrible design choice Nintendo made and people having justified anger over it.

No its a nintendo hate thread as nothing is confirmed, Simple as that. So much misinformation its a joke. Terrible design choices?! Can you 100% say what those design choices are... NOOOO. Every console has bad design choices whether you like it or not. Nothing justified what so ever. Your just hating as per usual.

So just because it's a rumor we can't have a thread about it? The rumor sounds pretty likely TBH, the people here are giving there responses to it as if Nintendo actually did this. We know it's a rumor...

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#88 22Toothpicks
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[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="YoYo278"]

Tbh I don't know what people expect, their last hardware release barely has the processing power of the Wii, i wouldn't be suprised if this is a complete step backwards in order to somehow appeal to nostalgic gimmicks

StealthMonkey4

Oh sweet Jebus Rice...some of the posts in this thread are just plain moronic. :/

I don't see how it's moronic, Nintendo is doing useless gimmicks in order to improve sales.

:/ Un-freakin'-believable is all I have to say.
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#89 timmy00
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That should be plenty just for games right? You know assuming you don't download any DL games or whatever. >_>

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#90 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"] What..is...this? A rumor is now enough for confirmation? Really?22Toothpicks

I didn't say that, I realize it's a rumor, however it is a very likely rumor.



Yes, you did say that. Right there. See. Can you see it? Hmmm?

I might've typed that because I was just recently talking about the touchscreen on the controller, I guess I misspoke, I am aware that is a rumor though...

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#91 EPaul
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I hope this isnt true HDD should be standard by now especially in the next gen of consoles

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#92 StealthMonkey4
Member since 2009 • 7434 Posts

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]wow... a new "I hate nintendo" thread. How awesome....Dibdibdobdobo

Don't forget original. No one ever takes rumors and makes them out to be confirmed truth, which is such a logical thing to do. Amirite?

On here its fact until proven otherwise.

It wouldn't be much of a thread if everyone just stated that it was a rumor, we are stating what our opinions would be if it did actually happen.

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#93 22Toothpicks
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That should be plenty just for games right? You know assuming you don't download any DL games or whatever. >_>

timmy00
8GB is laughable, actually. I think the bare minimum would be around 40GB. The only way I see 8 gigs as being acceptable is if they have a HDD slot a la the PS3 but knowing Nintendo that is extremely unlikely.
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#95 theuncharted34
Member since 2010 • 14529 Posts

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"] Oh sweet Jebus Rice...some of the posts in this thread are just plain moronic. :/22Toothpicks

I don't see how it's moronic, Nintendo is doing useless gimmicks in order to improve sales.

:/ Un-freakin'-believable is all I have to say.

bro, this is system wars.

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#96 sailor232
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you cant deny that of late Nintendo have made there systems gimmiky to appeal to a different set of fans, highly dropping the ball with a lot of features the other companies include as standard. this thread is about a rumour but with Nintendos history there is a good reason to believe something like this may be true.

I was a hardcore sheep and would argue for Nintendo all the way up to I was around 24y/o with my peers until I grew out of that, it just feels like Nintendo is pushing me away with not listening to its hardcore fanbase and what WE actual want in a system.

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#97 StealthMonkey4
Member since 2009 • 7434 Posts

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

I don't see how it's moronic, Nintendo is doing useless gimmicks in order to improve sales.

theuncharted34

:/ Un-freakin'-believable is all I have to say.

bro, this is system wars.

I don't get what you're trying to say here, I've responded to all your points and debunked all of them, yet you act like I'm an idiot and that I have no idea what I'm talking about.:lol:

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#98 nameless12345
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While this may be bad for downloadable stuff, I actually support that decision if it's true. Consoles are not PCs and I don't want to install games on hard drives, download patches and crap like that. Consoles were "plug & play" in the past and it should remain so imo. Unless you really want gimped PCs instead of game consoles.

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#99 timmy00
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]

That should be plenty just for games right? You know assuming you don't download any DL games or whatever. >_>

22Toothpicks

8GB is laughable, actually. I think the bare minimum would be around 40GB. The only way I see 8 gigs as being acceptable is if they have a HDD slot a la the PS3 but knowing Nintendo that is extremely unlikely.

It is but I could probably deal with it.

That said they should do better. Thankfully this is just a rumor.

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#100 Dibdibdobdobo
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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

It's not an "I hate Nintendo" thread, it's just a thread about a terrible design choice Nintendo made and people having justified anger over it.

StealthMonkey4

No its a nintendo hate thread as nothing is confirmed, Simple as that. So much misinformation its a joke. Terrible design choices?! Can you 100% say what those design choices are... NOOOO. Every console has bad design choices whether you like it or not. Nothing justified what so ever. Your just hating as per usual.

So just because it's a rumor we can't have a thread about it? The rumor sounds pretty likely TBH, the people here are giving there responses to it as if Nintendo actually did this. We know it's a rumor...

So you gone from proclaiming its a fact to saying "Its likely" .... Yeah you can have a thread about it but its all theoretical rather than "FACTS". What is likely?! Do you have a insider feeding you information which you should share?! No!! So stop making out that this information is 100% truthful. Whatever is released by Nintendo you will hate. It can be 4x more powerful than PS3 / 360 and people will still saying "NOT GOOD ENOUGH" .....