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#1 phonghua
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I just purchased a wii and dont get me wrong, its fun. I was reaidng some older articles that said its a bit more powerful than the orignal XBOX.

call me crazy but NBA 2K7 XBOX looks a light years b etter than LIVE 08 for Wii and Halo 2 & Ninja Gaiden pretty much blows every Wii title away. So has the Wii already peaked graphically?

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#2 OregonTrailing
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No. See Galaxy.
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#3 USSJAndrew
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Yea, back in 2002.
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#4 sexy_chimp
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No, silly.
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#5 Ontain
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you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboy
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#6 LordLanz
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are you crazy? No, they have not. Super Mario Galaxy looks great and so does Mario Kart Wii, alongwith SSBB
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#7 xBALOx
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No. See Galaxy.OregonTrailing

honestly... galaxy looks bad...

more if you take into account the worlds[levels] are pretty empty...

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#8 EPaul
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No yet but the wont be any drastic improvements of games like galaxy
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#9 phonghua
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you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboyOntain

Im not a fakeboy i just happen to have an orignal xbox also. you cant honestly say that Metroid 3 looks better than Riddick, Jade Empire, etc.

sure its more colorful and particles, but Riddick, Gaiden, and Halo look to have a much higher poly count

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#10 groudyogre
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If it can run games like metroid and galaxy at 60fps, it can do more

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#11 OregonTrailing
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No. See Galaxy.xBALOx

honestly... galaxy looks bad...

more if you take into account the worlds[levels] are pretty empty...

Visually, the game is a huge (huge!) improvement over all other Wii games in existence. The textures are impressive, the lighting effects are pretty much perfect, and the color scheme is phenomenal. Seriously, there was a sequence when you are climbing on the back of a giant bee (yeah, that is as amazing as it sounds), and the fuzz on the insect is so well-rendered that it actually looks like you are playing an Xbox360 game. Trust me, I never thought I would ever say that about the graphical quality of a Wii game. -Destructoid

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#13 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboyphonghua

Im not a fakeboy i just happen to have an orignal xbox also. you cant honestly say that Metroid 3 looks better than Riddick, Jade Empire, etc.

sure its more colorful and particles, but Riddick, Gaiden, and Halo look to have a much higher poly count

you're saying you can count the polys now? :roll:

if you weren't deliberately trying to be a fakeboy why would you use the port as your main example? wouldn't you know there are better examples?

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[QUOTE="Ontain"]you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboyphonghua

Im not a fakeboy i just happen to have an orignal xbox also. you cant honestly say that Metroid 3 looks better than Riddick, Jade Empire, etc.

sure its more colorful and particles, but Riddick, Gaiden, and Halo look to have a much higher poly count

either your blind, you have your wii hooked up with the composite cables, or you have never played prime 3. because it looks way way way better than halo 2. way better!

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#16 nintendofreak_2
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No, it hasn't even started.
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#17 phonghua
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more examples

ports

wii call of duty vs xbox call of duty

wii far cry vs xbox far cry

wii tiger woods vs xbox tiger woods

just because its a port doesnt mean it has to look crappy

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#18 sexy_chimp
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="phonghua"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboyphonghua

Im not a fakeboy i just happen to have an orignal xbox also. you cant honestly say that Metroid 3 looks better than Riddick, Jade Empire, etc.

sure its more colorful and particles, but Riddick, Gaiden, and Halo look to have a much higher poly count

you're saying you can count the polys now? :roll:

if you weren't deliberately trying to be a fakeboy why would you use the port as your main example? wouldn't you know there are better examples?

you're retarded, i mentioned nba live 2008 because i was seriously considering buying it. until it turns out to be graphically crappier than an 2005 last gen xbox bball game. my concern is why does it look so crappy if its supposed to be more powerful

if you were at all unbiased youd wonder why as well, get your head out of your ass

The reason it looks so crappy is because the developer didn't put any effort into it. Why are you taking the worst looking game from the Wii and then comparing it to the best looking games on the Xbox.

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#19 PelekotansDream
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I think we have when it comes to that department. The graphics are pretty much the same as for the gamecube, devs are used to making games for the technology because they been using it for the past several years.
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#20 mdisen2
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Riddick may have more polygons than Metroid Prime 3, but it doesn't look or run better than Metroid Prime 3. How can you say that as a Metroid fan?
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#21 PelekotansDream
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="phonghua"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboyphonghua

Im not a fakeboy i just happen to have an orignal xbox also. you cant honestly say that Metroid 3 looks better than Riddick, Jade Empire, etc.

sure its more colorful and particles, but Riddick, Gaiden, and Halo look to have a much higher poly count

you're saying you can count the polys now? :roll:

if you weren't deliberately trying to be a fakeboy why would you use the port as your main example? wouldn't you know there are better examples?

you're retarded, i mentioned nba live 2008 because i was seriously considering buying it. until it turns out to be graphically crappier than an 2005 last gen xbox bball game. my concern is why does it look so crappy if its supposed to be more powerful

if you were at all unbiased youd wonder why as well, get your head out of your ass

I understand your point, I have not seen any game on the Wii look as good as Halo 2. I enjoy the console but I ain't going to pretend it is better than the gamecube, I have not seen any game on the Wii that looks like it can't be done on the Gamecube.

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#22 Serraph105
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I just purchased a wii and dont get me wrong, its fun. I was reaidng some older articles that said its a bit more powerful than the orignal XBOX.

call me crazy but NBA 2K7 XBOX looks a light years b etter than LIVE 08 for Wii and Halo 2 & Ninja Gaiden pretty much blows every Wii title away. So has the Wii already peaked graphically?

phonghua

maybe o but if you notice wii owners arent the ones caring that much about graphics in the first place

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#23 sexy_chimp
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Click here, or here, or here, or here to be proven wrong.
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#24 Krudus
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ehh, sorry to dissapoint you buddy, but mp3 has a higher poly count than riddick. in fact, poly count was one of gamecubes strongest sides, re 4 and rogue squadron had both higher poly counts than most, if not all, xbox games. the only thing xbox has more than wii is graphical effects like bump and normal mapping.
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#25 Zhengi
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No, the graphics haven't been fully realized yet. As long as devs put more effort into their games, they can make beautiful games for the Wii. I have to agree that the poor graphics of NBA Live 08 are definitely disappointing though. I was really looking forward to this game only to have EA put minimal effort into this title. I really hope that 2K brings out NBA2K9 next year for the Wii.
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#26 Krudus
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[QUOTE="phonghua"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="phonghua"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboyPelekotansDream

Im not a fakeboy i just happen to have an orignal xbox also. you cant honestly say that Metroid 3 looks better than Riddick, Jade Empire, etc.

sure its more colorful and particles, but Riddick, Gaiden, and Halo look to have a much higher poly count

you're saying you can count the polys now? :roll:

if you weren't deliberately trying to be a fakeboy why would you use the port as your main example? wouldn't you know there are better examples?

you're retarded, i mentioned nba live 2008 because i was seriously considering buying it. until it turns out to be graphically crappier than an 2005 last gen xbox bball game. my concern is why does it look so crappy if its supposed to be more powerful

if you were at all unbiased youd wonder why as well, get your head out of your ass

I understand your point, I have not seen any game on the Wii look as good as Halo 2. I enjoy the console but I ain't going to pretend it is better than the gamecube, I have not seen any game on the Wii that looks like it can't be done on the Gamecube.

lol halo 2 doesnt even beat metroid prime 2 or re4, let alone mp3 and smg.

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#27 Dylons_Fire
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I heard that the Wii has the potentail to make 1080 HD look like Chris Brown andthat's pretty ugly
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#28 NSR34GTR
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with the wii you dont expect to see great grpahics
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#29 -R3Volation
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No, silly.sexy_chimp

Doesn't look that good at all. Doesn't even look 60 FPS, and if you think that looks better than Ninja Gaiden you need to get your fanboy goggles checked.

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#30 Always-Honest
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no, but don't expect too much.
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#31 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]No, silly.-R3Volation

Doesn't look that good at all. Doesn't even look 60 FPS, and if you think that looks better than Ninja Gaiden you need to get your fanboy goggles checked.

Glad to see you can make informed opinions about a farmerate on a 24FPS Internet video

Glad to see you can make and infromed opinion of graphics against a game you have played vs a game in a small low resolution window.

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#32 Marka1700
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No consoler EVER has been peaked within its first 2 years.
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#33 -R3Volation
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[QUOTE="-R3Volation"]

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]No, silly.Marka1700

Doesn't look that good at all. Doesn't even look 60 FPS, and if you think that looks better than Ninja Gaiden you need to get your fanboy goggles checked.

Glad to see you can make informed opinions about a farmerate on a 24FPS Internet video

Glad to see you can make and infromed opinion of graphics against a game you have played vs a game in a small low resolution window.

I'm even more glad I watched a high-def video before stating my opinion.

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Mario galaxy looks better than just about every xbox game.
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#35 Darthmatt
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The "oblivion" engine has just been re-tooled for the wii. So wait until you see some games being run on it before you say, its peaked. Basically, very few 3rd party developers have gone through the trouble to develop an engine that is optimal for wii. We've been seeing crappy games because most of the engines being used are last gen acquisitions.
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#36 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="-R3Volation"]

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]No, silly.-R3Volation

Doesn't look that good at all. Doesn't even look 60 FPS, and if you think that looks better than Ninja Gaiden you need to get your fanboy goggles checked.

Glad to see you can make informed opinions about a farmerate on a 24FPS Internet video

Glad to see you can make and infromed opinion of graphics against a game you have played vs a game in a small low resolution window.

I'm even more glad I watched a high-def video before stating my opinion.

HD or not, compared in montion on you tv it's still low quality internet video at 24FPS. And I seen no Watch in HD button on this tralier.

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#37 Big_Boss465
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Mario Galaxy looks terrific, but I'll be getting it because of the gameplay...not the graphics.
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboyphonghua

Im not a fakeboy i just happen to have an orignal xbox also. you cant honestly say that Metroid 3 looks better than Riddick, Jade Empire, etc.

sure its more colorful and particles, but Riddick, Gaiden, and Halo look to have a much higher poly count

You must have a different Xbox than I have.

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#39 psycotictaratua
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So hang on, a game looks bad, and that means that we've already reached the peak of the Wii's graphical abilities? Huhbadawhat? So if you wake up in the morning and it's dark, the natural conclusion is that it must be full noon?
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#40 Marka1700
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The "oblivion" engine has just been re-tooled for the wii. So wait until you see some games being run on it before you say, its peaked. Basically, very few 3rd party developers have gone through the trouble to develop an engine that is optimal for wii. We've been seeing crappy games because most of the engines being used are last gen acquisitions.Darthmatt

Just becuase someone has ported it dosnt mean the done a good job of it. They might have been beter of porting the morrowind engine.

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Will probable stem from within of sudden all when.

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#42 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="phonghua"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]you're using a port to judge rather than the game you have as your avatar? smells like fakeboyNECR0CHILD313

Im not a fakeboy i just happen to have an orignal xbox also. you cant honestly say that Metroid 3 looks better than Riddick, Jade Empire, etc.

sure its more colorful and particles, but Riddick, Gaiden, and Halo look to have a much higher poly count

You must have a different Xbox than I have.

Carefull, he will post the PC screens of Riddick and try to pass them of as Xbox ones. Ive it nearly 1000 times on these boards.

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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]The "oblivion" engine has just been re-tooled for the wii. So wait until you see some games being run on it before you say, its peaked. Basically, very few 3rd party developers have gone through the trouble to develop an engine that is optimal for wii. We've been seeing crappy games because most of the engines being used are last gen acquisitions.Marka1700

Just becuase someone has ported it dosnt mean the done a good job of it. They might have been beter of porting the morrowind engine.

But it also dosen't mean they did a bad job of it. We've seen what the engine is capable of producing on other systems, it makes sense to see what it's capable of on the Wii before assuming it'll be crap.

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#44 Silenthps
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to all you people saying you havent seen a wii game that couldnt be done on a gc. Your basically saying that the wii can do graphics 2-3x better than MP3 and SMG since the wii is 2-3x more powerful than gc. So yeah... the wii is no where near peaked!
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]The "oblivion" engine has just been re-tooled for the wii. So wait until you see some games being run on it before you say, its peaked. Basically, very few 3rd party developers have gone through the trouble to develop an engine that is optimal for wii. We've been seeing crappy games because most of the engines being used are last gen acquisitions.Marka1700

Just becuase someone has ported it dosnt mean the done a good job of it. They might have been beter of porting the morrowind engine.

Um, the game engine more of a tool set for building a game and rendering it on a system. It has shaders and lighting effects that the hardware might not have internally. In the hands of a bad developer a game made with the U3 engine still be a terrible looking game. In the case I referenced, its a more recent generation game engine. It will have more advanced capabilities than the tried and true game engines that were built for the PS2 and Game Cube and still being used to make wii games.
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#46 tomarlyn
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This is what happens when you splash yourself in the face with a little water from the reality fountain. No, Galaxy doesn't look a great deal more impressive than Conker or many other xbox games (60 FPS whoopy doo).

Wii is last-gen

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#47 sexy_chimp
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This is what happens when you splash yourself in the face with a little water from the reality fountain. No, Galaxy doesn't look a great deal more impressive than Conker or many other xbox games (60 FPS whoopy doo).

Wii is last-gen

/thread

tomarlyn

You might want to splash a little more water on your face :D

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#48 lolag
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i think they using 40% of the wiis power, galaxy looks like they might using over 75% of its power so maybe be 2009 we can truely see the wii power

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[QUOTE="-R3Volation"][QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="-R3Volation"]

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]No, silly.Marka1700

Doesn't look that good at all. Doesn't even look 60 FPS, and if you think that looks better than Ninja Gaiden you need to get your fanboy goggles checked.

Glad to see you can make informed opinions about a farmerate on a 24FPS Internet video

Glad to see you can make and infromed opinion of graphics against a game you have played vs a game in a small low resolution window.

I'm even more glad I watched a high-def video before stating my opinion.

HD or not, compared in montion on you tv it's still low quality internet video at 24FPS. And I seen no Watch in HD button on this tralier.

I see your having trouble comprehending this, I watched an HD-Video. Not of the SAME trailer just one in HD. If anything my monitor makes it look better comparded to the 60" SDTV I have.

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#50 brightshadow525
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Metroid Prime 3 already has better graphics than Halo 2. It's better than the original Xbox in less than a year. Obviously it still has more potential so it is definitely a lot better than the original Xbox.