Wii Haters, STOP!!!!!!!!, this is getting pathetic!!!!!!!!!

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#101 monsternachoman
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]as far as i'm concerened, if Wii is overpriced then so id PS3, that's my point.nintendo-4life

The PS3 is in a totally different league then the Wii dude, The PS3 actually has newer hardware technology built into it. You can't even find stand alone blu-ray players cheaper than the PS3. Heck if anything the PS3 is underpriced.

but blu ray is not why i buy game consoles and it's certainly nothing that i would have wanted to purchase in anyway, that's why i used the term as far as i'm concerened.

I never said it was a reason why you buy game consoles... I'm just telling you the facts.  

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#102 SecretPolice
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I suppose it's ok to hate on the PS3 and 360 then? But not the Wii? I'm just making sure we are clear on things...

In 6 or so months of partaking in System Wars, I've never used the animal slang, but I feel for once I have to.

Sheep truly whine the most and are the most defensive over things. Sheesh...

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#103 flazzle
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Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.Vandalvideo

No. I just agree with the following text from this ownage.

But if anyone doesnt want to visit the link, here it is:

"Nothing makes you look quite so foolish as spelling a sophisticated word incorrectly."

But to go back to the questions you dodge, what is your answer to this:

So what were you expecting with the Wii exactly? Obviously you expecting something. Did they false advertise?

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#104 nintendo-4life
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Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.Vandalvideo
i can :|
i may not prove that it's better per say, but i can prove that it's in the favor of different games to use different controls, why? simple, it's a certain FACT that IN the gamers OPINION, he is starting to grow tired of the games, he would want something new, something fresh., so what better way to give him a new game than a new control scheme, see, even if it's the same game, the new controls will be refreshing, since i can't prove it's either superior or enferior, refreshing is the next step, if the controls are refreshing, they are superior, PERIOD. END OF STORY.
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#105 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I extremely hate the "give it time" slogan. I don't want to give it time, I've seen what it represents.

When the 360 launched there was nothing but a bunch of PC ports and let down first party games with last gen graphics just on HD, did that stick? No. The Wii just launched a couple months ago and many games such as *NiGHTS, Project Treasure Island Z, Dewey's Adventure, Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Party, and Boogie* are all in development. Not only that but we are already seeing new titles *such as the recently announced Snatcher2 and just today announced Soul Caliber Adventure* take the reigns of the system.

 

At the rate its going, I know what its going to become. Call it inference, call it an educated guess, but I've named the most common scenario. More casual consumer = more casual games. Easily seen.

Just like the DS has no hardcore games am I correct? And there have ALWAYS been casuals on consoles this is nothing new. Remember the PS2? I wouldn't call Madden, Cars, Need for Speed, or Lego Star Wars the quote unquote "hardcore games".

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4691&Itemid=34&limit=1&limitstart=14

Whether or not the Wiimote has or had potential to create amazing games has yet to be seen.

Wii Sports? Trauma Center? Zelda *the highest rated game of the year according to gamerankings/metacritic*?

I was promised a revelution. What I was given was a rehashing.

.....okay I'm seriously sick of people who think rehasing hasn't been around. Remember the early 360? Remember the early DS with nothing but tech demos and N64 ports? This happens with every system that sells well with no aware. Devs didn't know the Wii would sell so good. So now they're trying to cash in on it by porting games from last gen, while working on new games designed ground up just for the system*example EA may have published Godfather but they are also working on My Sims and Boogie* This whole "rehash" thing is just a phase just like it was for the DS and PSP and the 360. It will eventually wipe away? How you ask? There is no way rehases are going to sell if there's a quality advertised game out there. What sold better Prince of Persia: Rival Swords/Godfather/Far Cry: Vengence or Sonic and the Secret Rings/Trauma Center/ Super Paper Mario? Each rehases I listed have yet to break 60,000, while the original games have each broke 200,000 *except for Trauma Center which is around 130,000 sold. People want quality new games and that's what the developers are working on and will give them. I don't know how that's so hard to grasp we've seen this happen countless times before with the PSone, DS, 360.

Heck the PSone had the worst reviewed launch of all-time

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155480

I think we both know how long that kept up for.

Just saying that these rehases is all the system will be is just sheer ignorance along with uneducation, espeically on a consoles marketing being "all about gameplay". Now I can't make  you like the Wii because that is YOUR opinion, but for you to say that it's just going to stand and be a rehash console is probably one of the most wrong statements you can make about any console.

 

Dencore

Wouldn't it help your point immensly if I had said that rehashes were all that the Wii was good for? Look, what I stated was the state of the system RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW, the wii is promoting the casual consumer, and most of the games you mentioned are casual titles. Not to mention something like an "amazing game" is an opinion. My statement that the WIIMOTE itself can craete an amazing game has yet to be seen.
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#106 nintendo-4life
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="monsternachoman"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]as far as i'm concerened, if Wii is overpriced then so id PS3, that's my point.monsternachoman

The PS3 is in a totally different league then the Wii dude, The PS3 actually has newer hardware technology built into it. You can't even find stand alone blu-ray players cheaper than the PS3. Heck if anything the PS3 is underpriced.

but blu ray is not why i buy game consoles and it's certainly nothing that i would have wanted to purchase in anyway, that's why i used the term as far as i'm concerened.

I never said it was a reason why you buy game consoles... I'm just telling you the facts.  

okay, but i still don't think these reasons are justified.


[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

I suppose it's ok to hate on the PS3 and 360 then? But not the Wii? I'm just making sure we are clear on things...

In 6 or so months of partaking in System Wars, I've never used the animal slang, but I feel for once I have to.

Sheep truly whine the most and are the most defensive over things. Sheesh...

SecretPolice
  You sir are correct; my time here is about equal to you and have seen the same thing.;)

what's that supposed to mean?
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#107 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.nintendo-4life
i can :|
i may not prove that it's better per say, but i can prove that it's in the favor of different games to use different controls, why? simple, it's a certain FACT that IN the gamers OPINION, he is starting to grow tired of the games, he would want something new, something fresh., so what better way to give him a new game than a new control scheme, see, even if it's the same game, the new controls will be refreshing, since i can't prove it's either superior or enferior, refreshing is the next step, if the controls are refreshing, they are superior, PERIOD. END OF STORY.

No, this too is an opinion. Whether something refreshing is good or not can also be subjective. You can not prove outside of your own perception that a controller is necessarily refreshing. I could consider the wiimote to be extremely tedius. Can't really prove me wrong, and its just as valid. Just because something is new and different DOES NOT make it superior.
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#108 wavebrid
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Where exactly are all these wii haters? You're making this crap upmmogoon

wow someone really blind go do some serch engine on these fourms and gears 360 is a lemming

 

 

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#109 nintendo-4life
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.Vandalvideo
i can :|
i may not prove that it's better per say, but i can prove that it's in the favor of different games to use different controls, why? simple, it's a certain FACT that IN the gamers OPINION, he is starting to grow tired of the games, he would want something new, something fresh., so what better way to give him a new game than a new control scheme, see, even if it's the same game, the new controls will be refreshing, since i can't prove it's either superior or enferior, refreshing is the next step, if the controls are refreshing, they are superior, PERIOD. END OF STORY.

No, this too is an opinion. Whether something refreshing is good or not can also be subjective. You can not prove outside of your own perception that a controller is necessarily refreshing. I could consider the wiimote to be extremely tedius. Can't really prove me wrong, and its just as valid. Just because something is new and different DOES NOT make it superior.

i'm talking fact wise, when refresh is NEEDED, then it's SUPERIOR, that's why the Wiimote is so getting so much attention, now it's a FACT that a lot people have gotten tired over the same genre again and again, so l say anything refreshing be it tedious or not, is indeed superior when it comes to a ceratin game, do you honestly think Wii sports would have managed to get as much attention as it did with the Wiimote? of course not!
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#110 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.nintendo-4life
i can :|
i may not prove that it's better per say, but i can prove that it's in the favor of different games to use different controls, why? simple, it's a certain FACT that IN the gamers OPINION, he is starting to grow tired of the games, he would want something new, something fresh., so what better way to give him a new game than a new control scheme, see, even if it's the same game, the new controls will be refreshing, since i can't prove it's either superior or enferior, refreshing is the next step, if the controls are refreshing, they are superior, PERIOD. END OF STORY.

No, this too is an opinion. Whether something refreshing is good or not can also be subjective. You can not prove outside of your own perception that a controller is necessarily refreshing. I could consider the wiimote to be extremely tedius. Can't really prove me wrong, and its just as valid. Just because something is new and different DOES NOT make it superior.

i'm talking fact wise, when refresh is NEEDED, then it's SUPERIOR, that's why the Wiimote is so getting so much attention, now it's a FACT that a lot people have gotten tired over the same genre again and again, so l say anything refreshing be it tedious or not, is indeed superior when it comes to a ceratin game, do you honestly think Wii sports would have managed to get as much attention as it did with the Wiimote? of course not!

Heres the thing, PROVE that the wiimote is refreshing. You can't. Why? Because that is an OPINION that cannot be proven outside the realm of the individual mind. Even if it were refreshing, its not necessarily superior. A mouse and keyboard may not but refreshing, but it is far superior in almost all technical aspects. Unless, of course, you're speaking opinion oriented superiority....
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#111 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE=";Vandalvideo";]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

              If you confront him with facts that he is unable to defend; he seems to go to the spellcheck thing to try and make him look like Ms. Teacher lmao it's a game site for crying out loud - Hey defending the Wii is a all day job for this boy ;)

             Hope he has stock in "N" b/c he sure spends alot of time and energy defending Wii if someone is not praising the $ales figures.

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#112 wavebrid
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I'm not hating on the Wii dude, ITS FACT that the Wii is overpriced.

At least with the other consoles you get HD gaming, hardcore games and real online services which is well worth the price of the console.

What do you get with the Wii? Mini-games and tech demos that aren't worth $50, N64 and near Gamecube graphics, and gamecube ports that i'd rather just use the wavebird.

monsternachoman

prove link etc prove it oh waits ITS NOT A FACT

ps3 is a rip off

360 is as well

 

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.Vandalvideo
i can :|
i may not prove that it's better per say, but i can prove that it's in the favor of different games to use different controls, why? simple, it's a certain FACT that IN the gamers OPINION, he is starting to grow tired of the games, he would want something new, something fresh., so what better way to give him a new game than a new control scheme, see, even if it's the same game, the new controls will be refreshing, since i can't prove it's either superior or enferior, refreshing is the next step, if the controls are refreshing, they are superior, PERIOD. END OF STORY.

No, this too is an opinion. Whether something refreshing is good or not can also be subjective. You can not prove outside of your own perception that a controller is necessarily refreshing. I could consider the wiimote to be extremely tedius. Can't really prove me wrong, and its just as valid. Just because something is new and different DOES NOT make it superior.

i'm talking fact wise, when refresh is NEEDED, then it's SUPERIOR, that's why the Wiimote is so getting so much attention, now it's a FACT that a lot people have gotten tired over the same genre again and again, so l say anything refreshing be it tedious or not, is indeed superior when it comes to a ceratin game, do you honestly think Wii sports would have managed to get as much attention as it did with the Wiimote? of course not!

Heres the thing, PROVE that the wiimote is refreshing. You can't. Why? Because that is an OPINION that cannot be proven outside the realm of the individual mind. Even if it were refreshing, its not necessarily superior. A mouse and keyboard may not but refreshing, but it is far superior in almost all technical aspects. Unless, of course, you're speaking opinion oriented superiority....

umm... actually i can prove it's refreshing, just give me one game that plays like it :|.
also, opinions cannot be proven, but fact are, that's the only difference between them really, so opinions aside, i speak on the level of facts, the games are refreshing, it will get special attention, it will provide special fun, and overall be special, also care to tell me what people are so hyped about the Wiimote if it's not refresing? 
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Wii only fans, STOP!!!! These threads are annoying. PS, Wii Sports gets old after two weeks :Djfkunrendered
Only if you have no friends to play it with.
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4 words! Spider-Man for the Wii!!!:cry:
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#116 Vandalvideo
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Nintendo: Refreshing is a qualitative adjective describing the properties of something. Refreshing itself is an OPINION. Refreshing: Presently fresh, different. I could easily say, "In my opinion, all of these games are mere rehashes of old games with tacted on new controls that do not add anything fresh or new to the actual game. It is not different whatsoever". A statement like that you can't really prove wrong. Refreshign itself is an OPINION. It is not a fact.
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#117 flazzle
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.SecretPolice

              If you confront him with facts that he is unable to defend; he seems to go to the spellcheck thing to try and make him look like Ms. Teacher lmao it's a game site for crying out loud - Hey defending the Wii is a all day job for this boy ;)

             Hope he has stock in "N" b/c he sure spends alot of time and energy defending Wii if someone is not praising the $ales figures.

Hey SecretPolice! Glad you came to help, Vandal really needs it! But you dodge arguments almost as good as Vandal. Vandal refuses to even answer the other questions I post and you guys are stuck on the fact I can recognize when words are used incorrectly.

Oh, all this woman does is use 'OPINION! YOU CANT PROVE AN OPINION WRONG'. Its so weak. Its obviously someone trying to appear smart by using an opinion strategy as an argument and ignoring all else. Because if she went on to discuss the arguments, she'll just cower back to 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'.

 I agree you cant defend the fact that 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'. But by saying this she is avoiding the facts, no me.

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Wouldn't it help your point immensly if I had said that rehashes were all that the Wii was good for?

Wouldn't it help your point if you would actually read your posts?

Vandal Video Said "I was promised a revelution. What I was given was a rehashing."

Look, what I stated was the state of the system RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW, the wii is promoting the casual consumer, and most of the games you mentioned are casual titles.

It would help if you actually read my post. Both Paragraph 1 and 3 completly shut that down. And it seems to me you haven't been console gaming, actually any type of gaming for long because if you have been then you would know there has never been a platform in gaming history that ever  launched with it's "revolution" or "evolving gameplay expeirences" right off the bat. Has it been done with 2 or 3 games right away? Yes. But the majority of the games? No.Also I REALLY hope that you weren't implying that Zelda, Trauma Center, and Super Paper Mario are "casual" games :?

 

Not to mention something like an "amazing game" is an opinion.

A game being the highest rated game on metacritic and gamerankings and getting multiple 10 out of 10's and walking away with many GOTY's and being regraded as the superior version, I would dub it as an amazing game. Sure I could say Half-Life 2 sucks, does that stop it from being an amazing game?

My statement that the WIIMOTE itself can craete an amazing game has yet to be seen.

Even though it's system seller fully uses the Wii-mote and can't be done on any other system.

And as you stated here.

"Not to mention something like an "amazing game" is an opinion. "

It's your opinion and not a fact. But fact is Wii Sports is selling the Wii in the West due to all the press revolving around it and it's the Wii's best selling game in Japan. I don't think that games selling for it's in-depth gameplay but more so on how it uses the controller.

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#119 flazzle
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4 words! Spider-Man for the Wii!!!:cry:familyguyvs360

Have you seen the screenshots for Spiderman for the 360 or PS3? They are nothing to brag about, and its not due to the systems limitations.

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Nintendo: Refreshing is a qualitative adjective describing the properties of something. Refreshing itself is an OPINION. Refreshing: Presently fresh, different. I could easily say, "In my opinion, all of these games are mere rehashes of old games with tacted on new controls that do not add anything fresh or new to the actual game. It is not different whatsoever". A statement like that you can't really prove wrong. Refreshign itself is an OPINION. It is not a fact.Vandalvideo
Tacked on.  Stop saying tacted on, it keeps messing with me.

True, since all you're doing is using your opinions, no one will ever prove you wrong.  And you'll never prove yourself right.

Pointless, in my opinion.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]

Wouldn't it help your point immensly if I had said that rehashes were all that the Wii was good for?

Wouldn't it help your point if you would actually read your posts?

Vandal Video Said "I was promised a revelution. What I was given was a rehashing."

Look, what I stated was the state of the system RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW, the wii is promoting the casual consumer, and most of the games you mentioned are casual titles.

 It would help if you actually read my post. Both Paragraph 1 and 3 completly shut that down.

 

Not to mention something like an "amazing game" is an opinion.

 A game being the highest rated game on metacritic and gamerankings and getting multiple 10 out of 10's and walking away with many GOTY's and being regraded as the superior version, I would dub it as an amazing game. Sure I could say Half-Life 2 sucks, does that stop it from being an amazing game?

My statement that the WIIMOTE itself can craete an amazing game has yet to be seen.

 Even though it's system seller fully uses the Wii-mote and can't be done on any other system.

And as you stated here.

"Not to mention something like an "amazing game" is an opinion. "

It's your opinion and not a fact. But fact is Wii Sports is selling the Wii in the West due to all the press revolving around it and it's the Wii's best selling game in Japan. I don't think that games selling for it's in-depth gameplay but more so on how it uses the controller.

Dencore

Here is the thing. Stating, "All I was given was a rehashing" does not equate to "The wii is only good for rehashes". It merely says that at the time i purchased the system I was given rehashed games. That does not mean that I'm saying the Wii only has rehashes, nor is that all that it is good for. Even with GOTY and numerous high awards, it doesn't change the fact that I could easily hate Zelda and my opinion be just as valid.
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#122 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.flazzle

              If you confront him with facts that he is unable to defend; he seems to go to the spellcheck thing to try and make him look like Ms. Teacher lmao it's a game site for crying out loud - Hey defending the Wii is a all day job for this boy ;)

             Hope he has stock in "N" b/c he sure spends alot of time and energy defending Wii if someone is not praising the $ales figures.

Hey SecretPolice! Glad you came to help, Vandal really needs it! But you dodge arguments almost as good as Vandal. Vandal refuses to even answer the other questions I post and you guys are stuck on the fact I can recognize when words are used incorrectly.

Oh, all this woman does is use 'OPINION! YOU CANT PROVE AN OPINION WRONG'. Its so weak. Its obviously someone trying to appear smart by using an opinion strategy as an argument and ignoring all else. Because if she went on to discuss the arguments, she'll just cower back to 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'.

 I agree you cant defend the fact that 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'. But by saying this she is avoiding the facts, no me.

Calling me a woman repeatedly just shows how weak and immature your arguement actually is. What IS your point? I thought your point was that the wiimote was a good thing or innately superior? Where is your FACTUAL INFORMATION, and not mere opinions, to back this up?
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#123 monsternachoman
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[QUOTE="monsternachoman"]

I'm not hating on the Wii dude, ITS FACT that the Wii is overpriced.

At least with the other consoles you get HD gaming, hardcore games and real online services which is well worth the price of the console.

What do you get with the Wii? Mini-games and tech demos that aren't worth $50, N64 and near Gamecube graphics, and gamecube ports that i'd rather just use the wavebird.

wavebrid

prove link etc prove it oh waits ITS NOT A FACT

ps3 is a rip off

360 is as well

 

Go do some research and come back wavebrid.. im not going to waste my time trying to find links and crap just to get more excuses from you fanboys.  

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#124 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Nintendo: Refreshing is a qualitative adjective describing the properties of something. Refreshing itself is an OPINION. Refreshing: Presently fresh, different. I could easily say, "In my opinion, all of these games are mere rehashes of old games with tacted on new controls that do not add anything fresh or new to the actual game. It is not different whatsoever". A statement like that you can't really prove wrong. Refreshign itself is an OPINION. It is not a fact.Jandurin

Tacked on.  Stop saying tacted on, it keeps messing with me.

True, since all you're doing is using your opinions, no one will ever prove you wrong.  And you'll never prove yourself right.

Pointless, in my opinion.

Theres a reason to my insanity. Its to completely discourage sheep from EVER saying the wiimote is superior or more fun ever again. Why? BECAUSE OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS.
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#125 Dencore
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Here is the thing. Stating, "All I was given was a rehashing" does not equate to "The wii is only good for rehashes". It merely says that at the time i purchased the system I was given rehashed games.

I seriously think you need to take a look at a dictionary.

All - every: all kinds; all sorts.

Only - alone; solely; exclusively:

You just said that the Wii's games are every/solely on just rehasing.

That does not mean that I'm saying the Wii only has rehashes, nor is that all that it is good for.

Yes you did.

Even with GOTY and numerous high awards, it doesn't change the fact that I could easily hate Zelda and my opinion be just as valid.

The console is barely half a year old. And the future looks to be totally different with many new titles announced with many aimed at gamers. There has NEVER been a console that launched with a load of amazing games right away. I think you just need to wait and be patient just like the PSone, DS, PS2, Xbox 360, PSP, and all the other launch adopters.

 

 

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Theres a reason to my insanity. Its to completely discourage sheep from EVER saying the wiimote is superior or more fun ever again. Why? BECAUSE OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS.Vandalvideo
As long as there's a purpose.

BUT, I will say that in my opinion, playing Wii sports with a regular controller (and this goes for DDR as well) would suck hard.  It is ONLY fun because of the Wii remote.  You will never disprove that.

Second:  Can you imagine Beatmania IIDX with a regular controller?  It would use every button and be impossible to play.

You can't say that the controller is NOT important.  You can say it is not superior because it isn't used well in games.  You can say it isn't fun for you.  But, you can't fight opinion with opinion and expect to get anywhere.  This thread is just an insignificant moment in time.

Also, imo, though the Wii remote hasn't really revolutionized anything yet, it is STILL refreshing to me that Nintendo is trying new things and is able to for a lower price tag.  (And, I expect some good things later this year from them concerning the Wii remote).

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#127 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.Vandalvideo

              If you confront him with facts that he is unable to defend; he seems to go to the spellcheck thing to try and make him look like Ms. Teacher lmao it's a game site for crying out loud - Hey defending the Wii is a all day job for this boy ;)

             Hope he has stock in "N" b/c he sure spends alot of time and energy defending Wii if someone is not praising the $ales figures.

Hey SecretPolice! Glad you came to help, Vandal really needs it! But you dodge arguments almost as good as Vandal. Vandal refuses to even answer the other questions I post and you guys are stuck on the fact I can recognize when words are used incorrectly.

Oh, all this woman does is use 'OPINION! YOU CANT PROVE AN OPINION WRONG'. Its so weak. Its obviously someone trying to appear smart by using an opinion strategy as an argument and ignoring all else. Because if she went on to discuss the arguments, she'll just cower back to 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'.

 I agree you cant defend the fact that 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'. But by saying this she is avoiding the facts, no me.

Calling me a woman repeatedly just shows how weak and immature your arguement actually is. What IS your point? I thought your point was that the wiimote was a good thing or innately superior? Where is your FACTUAL INFORMATION, and not mere opinions, to back this up?

I apologize! I thought you were a woman. You have a girl as your pic and you never corrected me earlier. Why is being called a woman an insult anyway? Insecure much?

Maybe its my OPINION you are girl. Opinions cannot be wrong, so I guess I'm right.

My facts are sales on Wii, DDR, and Guitar Hero. Can you honestly say people are playing DDR and Guitar Hero using a regular controller? Or DK bongs for that matter?

I cannot be proven wrong with anything I say, because here on out I declare everything I say is opinion, and by your rules, opinions cannot be wrong! They just can't!

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#128 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Here is the thing. Stating, "All I was given was a rehashing" does not equate to "The wii is only good for rehashes". It merely says that at the time i purchased the system I was given rehashed games.

I seriously think you need to take a look at a dictionary.

All - every: all kinds; all sorts.

Only - alone; solely; exclusively:

You just said that the Wii's games are every/solely on just rehasing.

That does not mean that I'm saying the Wii only has rehashes, nor is that all that it is good for.

Yes you did.

Even with GOTY and numerous high awards, it doesn't change the fact that I could easily hate Zelda and my opinion be just as valid.

The console is barely half a year old. And the future looks to be totally different with many new titles announced with many aimed at gamers. There has NEVER been a console that launched with a load of amazing games right away. I think you just need to wait and be patient just like the PSone, DS, PS2, Xbox 360, PSP, and all the other launch adopters.

 

 

Dencore

I love a good semantics battle. You can't necessarily say that I was referring to the entire platform when I said "All I was given was a rehashing". Why? Because I couldn't have bought every single game for the Wii. From the games I did buy, the WIi was solely a rehash. You can't create a blanket statement from that to infer I was referring to the entire platform.
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#129 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.flazzle

              If you confront him with facts that he is unable to defend; he seems to go to the spellcheck thing to try and make him look like Ms. Teacher lmao it's a game site for crying out loud - Hey defending the Wii is a all day job for this boy ;)

             Hope he has stock in "N" b/c he sure spends alot of time and energy defending Wii if someone is not praising the $ales figures.

Hey SecretPolice! Glad you came to help, Vandal really needs it! But you dodge arguments almost as good as Vandal. Vandal refuses to even answer the other questions I post and you guys are stuck on the fact I can recognize when words are used incorrectly.

Oh, all this woman does is use 'OPINION! YOU CANT PROVE AN OPINION WRONG'. Its so weak. Its obviously someone trying to appear smart by using an opinion strategy as an argument and ignoring all else. Because if she went on to discuss the arguments, she'll just cower back to 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'.

 I agree you cant defend the fact that 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'. But by saying this she is avoiding the facts, no me.

Calling me a woman repeatedly just shows how weak and immature your arguement actually is. What IS your point? I thought your point was that the wiimote was a good thing or innately superior? Where is your FACTUAL INFORMATION, and not mere opinions, to back this up?

I apologize! I thought you were a woman. You have a girl as your pic and you never corrected me earlier. Why is being called a woman an insult anyway? Insecure much?

Maybe its my OPINION you are girl. Opinions cannot be wrong, so I guess I'm right.

My facts are sales on Wii, DDR, and Guitar Hero. Can you honestly say people are playing DDR and Guitar Hero using a regular controller? Or DK bongs for that matter?

I cannot be proven wrong with anything I say, because here on out I declare everything I say is opinion, and by your rules, opinions cannot be wrong! They just can't!

Theres a difference between saying "In my opnion, you're a woman" and "In my opinion, X game is better". Why? Because I can go against that with factual information. "I am a man" is a fact that can be proven through scientific research. However, you can not prove that "X game is better through the use of quantitative data.
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You actually made a pretty good point. Which to be honest, I didn't expect you to.
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#131 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Theres a reason to my insanity. Its to completely discourage sheep from EVER saying the wiimote is superior or more fun ever again. Why? BECAUSE OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS.Jandurin

As long as there's a purpose.

BUT, I will say that in my opinion, playing Wii sports with a regular controller (and this goes for DDR as well) would suck hard.  It is ONLY fun because of the Wii remote.  You will never disprove that.

Second:  Can you imagine Beatmania IIDX with a regular controller?  It would use every button and be impossible to play.

You can't say that the controller is NOT important.  You can say it is not superior because it isn't used well in games.  You can say it isn't fun for you.  But, you can't fight opinion with opinion and expect to get anywhere.  This thread is just an insignificant moment in time.

Also, imo, though the Wii remote hasn't really revolutionized anything yet, it is STILL refreshing to me that Nintendo is trying new things and is able to for a lower price tag.  (And, I expect some good things later this year from them concerning the Wii remote).

This I have no qualms with, as you acknowledge it was your opinion.
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#132 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.flazzle

              If you confront him with facts that he is unable to defend; he seems to go to the spellcheck thing to try and make him look like Ms. Teacher lmao it's a game site for crying out loud - Hey defending the Wii is a all day job for this boy ;)

             Hope he has stock in "N" b/c he sure spends alot of time and energy defending Wii if someone is not praising the $ales figures.

Hey SecretPolice! Glad you came to help, Vandal really needs it! But you dodge arguments almost as good as Vandal. Vandal refuses to even answer the other questions I post and you guys are stuck on the fact I can recognize when words are used incorrectly.

Oh, all this woman does is use 'OPINION! YOU CANT PROVE AN OPINION WRONG'. Its so weak. Its obviously someone trying to appear smart by using an opinion strategy as an argument and ignoring all else. Because if she went on to discuss the arguments, she'll just cower back to 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'.

 I agree you cant defend the fact that 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'. But by saying this she is avoiding the facts, no me.

   Really, I'm not trying to fight but it just seems silly to me to correct spelling errors on a games forum where even if the word is horribly misspelled most reading get the jist of what the missspeller lol was trying to say. No harm - No foul ok?
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Really, I'm not trying to fight but it just seems silly to me to correct spelling errors on a games forum where even if the word is horribly misspelled most reading get the jist of what the missspeller lol was trying to say. No harm - No foul ok?SecretPolice
While on the subject, it's gist, not jist.  :wink:
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#134 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Really, I'm not trying to fight but it just seems silly to me to correct spelling errors on a games forum where even if the word is horribly misspelled most reading get the jist of what the missspeller lol was trying to say. No harm - No foul ok?Jandurin
While on the subject, it's gist, not jist.  :wink:

   Gist a minute I'll correct that ;)
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#135 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: I bet correcting small typos makes you feel like a big boy. Look, you can not prove that these games cannot be as fun on a regular controller by using sales. Its an OPINION. PERIOD. END OF STORY.SecretPolice

              If you confront him with facts that he is unable to defend; he seems to go to the spellcheck thing to try and make him look like Ms. Teacher lmao it's a game site for crying out loud - Hey defending the Wii is a all day job for this boy ;)

             Hope he has stock in "N" b/c he sure spends alot of time and energy defending Wii if someone is not praising the $ales figures.

Hey SecretPolice! Glad you came to help, Vandal really needs it! But you dodge arguments almost as good as Vandal. Vandal refuses to even answer the other questions I post and you guys are stuck on the fact I can recognize when words are used incorrectly.

Oh, all this woman does is use 'OPINION! YOU CANT PROVE AN OPINION WRONG'. Its so weak. Its obviously someone trying to appear smart by using an opinion strategy as an argument and ignoring all else. Because if she went on to discuss the arguments, she'll just cower back to 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'.

 I agree you cant defend the fact that 'You can't prove an opinion wrong!'. But by saying this she is avoiding the facts, no me.

   Really, I'm not trying to fight but it just seems silly to me to correct spelling errors on a games forum where even if the word is horribly misspelled most reading get the jist of what the missspeller lol was trying to say. No harm - No foul ok?

I'm not trying to fight either, but one thing to think about is if someone cannot use words properly (this guy wasn't even close), then you have to question his reasoning and deduction skills as well. I'm not talking about a misspelling, everyone does that. This was a word used in a place where it made no sense whatsoever. Again, to quote that site: "Nothing makes you look quite so foolish as spelling a sophisticated word incorrectly." And boy, did he look foolish.

And now he needs scientific research to prove he's a man. See how his reasoning is? Someone should just tell him all he needs to do is look in his pants.

Because I can go against that with factual information. "I am a man" is a fact that can be proven through scientific research.Vandalvideo

Tell us when your scientific research is done, ok VandalVideo?

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#136 FrenziedRaldo24
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The Wii haters will give the Wii credit when credit is due.

 

(And credit is not due yet)

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#137 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Really, I'm not trying to fight but it just seems silly to me to correct spelling errors on a games forum where even if the word is horribly misspelled most reading get the jist of what the missspeller lol was trying to say. No harm - No foul ok?SecretPolice
While on the subject, it's gist, not jist.  :wink:

   Gist a minute I'll correct that ;)

:lol:

Almost worth me hunting down a cookie pic!  :lol:

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#138 Vandalvideo
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Flazzle: You can't be serious, can you? Something like "I am a man" or "I am a woman" is a fact. You can't just try to coat it as an opinion and expect to get away with it. It is something that can be proven through observation. You can't prove that "This game is better". Period.
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#139 Dencore
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[QUOTE="Dencore"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Here is the thing. Stating, "All I was given was a rehashing" does not equate to "The wii is only good for rehashes". It merely says that at the time i purchased the system I was given rehashed games.

I seriously think you need to take a look at a dictionary.

All - every: all kinds; all sorts.

Only - alone; solely; exclusively:

You just said that the Wii's games are every/solely on just rehasing.

That does not mean that I'm saying the Wii only has rehashes, nor is that all that it is good for.

Yes you did.

Even with GOTY and numerous high awards, it doesn't change the fact that I could easily hate Zelda and my opinion be just as valid.

The console is barely half a year old. And the future looks to be totally different with many new titles announced with many aimed at gamers. There has NEVER been a console that launched with a load of amazing games right away. I think you just need to wait and be patient just like the PSone, DS, PS2, Xbox 360, PSP, and all the other launch adopters.

 

 

Vandalvideo

I love a good semantics battle. You can't necessarily say that I was referring to the entire platform when I said "All I was given was a rehashing". Why? Because I couldn't have bought every single game for the Wii. From the games I did buy, the WIi was solely a rehash. You can't create a blanket statement from that to infer I was referring to the entire platform.

You just refered that the Wii has many rehases so that assumes that you've  played every good/highly regarded game/every game that intrests you. So that 's where my post came from. 

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The Wii haters will give the Wii credit when credit is due.

 

(And credit is not due yet)

FrenziedRaldo24
that's not true, they hated the Wii even before the controller was introduced, and even if it's true, the least they could have done is wait like they waited for their consoles.
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#141 nintendo-4life
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Nintendo: Refreshing is a qualitative adjective describing the properties of something. Refreshing itself is an OPINION. Refreshing: Presently fresh, different. I could easily say, "In my opinion, all of these games are mere rehashes of old games with tacted on new controls that do not add anything fresh or new to the actual game. It is not different whatsoever". A statement like that you can't really prove wrong. Refreshign itself is an OPINION. It is not a fact.Vandalvideo
okay then, it;s an  "opinion" but difference is a fact, and the Wiimote is different and that's a fact, no game plays like Wii sports is a fact, and the general gaming public is looking for something different, that too... is a fact, now again, give me one game that plays like Wii sports.
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#142 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Nintendo: Refreshing is a qualitative adjective describing the properties of something. Refreshing itself is an OPINION. Refreshing: Presently fresh, different. I could easily say, "In my opinion, all of these games are mere rehashes of old games with tacted on new controls that do not add anything fresh or new to the actual game. It is not different whatsoever". A statement like that you can't really prove wrong. Refreshign itself is an OPINION. It is not a fact.nintendo-4life
okay then, it;s an  "opinion" but difference is a fact, and the Wiimote is different and that's a fact, no game plays like Wii sports is a fact, and the general gaming public is looking for something different, that too... is a fact, now again, give me one game that plays like Wii sports.

Ok, so the Wii is different. But does different necessarily mean its good? Thats a matter of perspective.
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Ok, so the Wii is different. But does different necessarily mean its good? Thats a matter of perspective.Vandalvideo
Better than having 3 very similar systems, I think.
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Nintendo: Refreshing is a qualitative adjective describing the properties of something. Refreshing itself is an OPINION. Refreshing: Presently fresh, different. I could easily say, "In my opinion, all of these games are mere rehashes of old games with tacted on new controls that do not add anything fresh or new to the actual game. It is not different whatsoever". A statement like that you can't really prove wrong. Refreshign itself is an OPINION. It is not a fact.Vandalvideo
okay then, it;s an  "opinion" but difference is a fact, and the Wiimote is different and that's a fact, no game plays like Wii sports is a fact, and the general gaming public is looking for something different, that too... is a fact, now again, give me one game that plays like Wii sports.

Ok, so the Wii is different. But does different necessarily mean its good? Thats a matter of perspective.

when a general public is desiring something different? then yes, it's good, at least better than rehashing and perfecting the tired material.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Ok, so the Wii is different. But does different necessarily mean its good? Thats a matter of perspective.Jandurin
Better than having 3 very similar systems, I think.

So you would rather have potentially worse games just for the sake of them being different?

 

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#146 flazzle
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Flazzle: You can't be serious, can you? Something like "I am a man" or "I am a woman" is a fact. You can't just try to coat it as an opinion and expect to get away with it. It is something that can be proven through observation. You can't prove that "This game is better". Period.Vandalvideo

 I thought you were using 'scientific research' to prove your gender. (Your words, not mine)

Because I can go against that with factual information. "I am a man" is a fact that can be proven through scientific research. Vandalvideo

Which one you going with?

Did you watch 'House' Monday? They had a case where they DID have to do scientific research.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Nintendo: Refreshing is a qualitative adjective describing the properties of something. Refreshing itself is an OPINION. Refreshing: Presently fresh, different. I could easily say, "In my opinion, all of these games are mere rehashes of old games with tacted on new controls that do not add anything fresh or new to the actual game. It is not different whatsoever". A statement like that you can't really prove wrong. Refreshign itself is an OPINION. It is not a fact.nintendo-4life
okay then, it;s an  "opinion" but difference is a fact, and the Wiimote is different and that's a fact, no game plays like Wii sports is a fact, and the general gaming public is looking for something different, that too... is a fact, now again, give me one game that plays like Wii sports.

Ok, so the Wii is different. But does different necessarily mean its good? Thats a matter of perspective.

when a general public is desiring something different? then yes, it's good, at least better than rehashing and perfecting the tired material.

So its good to the people who wanted something different. What about the people who didn't? Then its not good.
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#148 Gamer556
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Nintendo: Refreshing is a qualitative adjective describing the properties of something. Refreshing itself is an OPINION. Refreshing: Presently fresh, different. I could easily say, "In my opinion, all of these games are mere rehashes of old games with tacted on new controls that do not add anything fresh or new to the actual game. It is not different whatsoever". A statement like that you can't really prove wrong. Refreshign itself is an OPINION. It is not a fact.nintendo-4life
okay then, it;s an  "opinion" but difference is a fact, and the Wiimote is different and that's a fact, no game plays like Wii sports is a fact, and the general gaming public is looking for something different, that too... is a fact, now again, give me one game that plays like Wii sports.

Ok, so the Wii is different. But does different necessarily mean its good? Thats a matter of perspective.

when a general public is desiring something different? then yes, it's good, at least better than rehashing and perfecting the tired material.

Looking at the Wii's library of games, I would have to disagree.

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#149 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Flazzle: You can't be serious, can you? Something like "I am a man" or "I am a woman" is a fact. You can't just try to coat it as an opinion and expect to get away with it. It is something that can be proven through observation. You can't prove that "This game is better". Period.flazzle

 I thought you were using 'scientific research' to prove your gender. (Your words, not mine)

Because I can go against that with factual information. "I am a man" is a fact that can be proven through scientific research. Vandalvideo

Which one you going with?

Did you watch 'House' Monday? They had a case where they DID have to do scientific research.

I didn't say I was going to, I said I could. Thus, its not an opinion, but a fact.
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#150 nintendo-4life
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Ok, so the Wii is different. But does different necessarily mean its good? Thats a matter of perspective.Gamer556

Better than having 3 very similar systems, I think.

So you would rather have potentially worse games just for the sake of them being different?

 

if im already sick of the old material then absolutel.y