wii music review - 5.0

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]

Enjoy. Seriously, this gif is the only good thing that has come out of Wii Music.

jasonheyman

watching all the ninty exec's playing wii music was just depressing you could see the look on some of their faces was "what the hell am i doing?"

that woman made me want to strangle her (happy happy SMILE happy happy casual happy, wii spots2 happy, we hate gamers and gaming happy happy happy!!). and now she seems to have been nominated for vide president.... hmmmm.... :P

Gamespy 3.5 out of 5

Pros:

Clean presentation; extremely user-friendly; directly targeted at young, casual audience.

Cons:

The more traditional "hardcore" gaming audience will simply not care about the experience it offers.

http://wii.gamespy.com/wii/wii-music/921407p1.html

HarlockJC

This is exactly the score I'm hoping GS will give Wii Music. Just look at the Wii Music threads so far. This could be epic! :lol:

As somebody who loves the Wii, and think that all the complaining about how Wii is "ruining gaming" and has "too many casual/kiddy games" are really stupid... I have to say that this game is easily the most casual/kiddy game that I've ever seen, and hurts my respect for the Wii and Nintendo as a whole. I'm actually surprised that it got that high...

But at least I get to know that I have a lot of other great games coming out, which are great additions to the games I have/will get for my 360, so it doesn't really matter. :P

As somebody who loves the Wii, and think that all the complaining about how Wii is "ruining gaming" and has "too many casual/kiddy games" are really stupid... I have to say that this game is easily the most casual/kiddy game that I've ever seen, and hurts my respect for the Wii and Nintendo as a whole. I'm actually surprised that it got that high...

But at least I get to know that I have a lot of other great games coming out, which are great additions to the games I have/will get for my 360, so it doesn't really matter. :P

Hungry_Homer111

stopped reading there.

and even you admit that thw wii is only good in addition to a real console like a 360.

There is no reason to defend Nintendo at this point.


Nintendo might be selling more than the 360 and the PS3 but the real gamers know where the gaming is at this gen.
DireToad

What reason would there be to criticize Nintendo? The game isn't for the hardcore, and yet the hardcore act like Nintendo just slept with their girlfriends. Just puzzling to me :?

[QUOTE="Callous-Bstard"]

for those asking "why MIDI why?"

It wouldn't have been possible any other way. There simply wouldn't be enough room on the disc (be it DVD or Blu-Ray) to hold the number of tracks required.

You're talking 60 different instruments each capable of playing any part of the track in a variety of styles...you'd be talking thousands and thousands of hours of recording. This isn't like other music games where you have a set track with set notes and set instruments. MIDI is the only option (although that's not to say they could have got some better MIDI samples for some instruments)

thegoldenpoo

MIDI still makes my ears bleed. there is no excuse for it in this day and age. yet more nintendo backwards looking.

LOL, you have no clue what MIDI is do you? Its just a communication protocol. You can have sounds that are cheap like a SNES or $1000+ 50gb+ sample banks that are used in commercial music and scores all the time. Both triggered via MIDI. If its a song that has a keyboard, synthesizer, or something that makes you say, "wow, this pop/rock/rap/techno (god especially techno) group actually paid to have a symphony orchestra come in and record backing tracks" then there like a 99% chance MIDI was involved.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Gamespy 3.5 out of 5

Pros:

Clean presentation; extremely user-friendly; directly targeted at young, casual audience.

Cons:

The more traditional "hardcore" gaming audience will simply not care about the experience it offers.

http://wii.gamespy.com/wii/wii-music/921407p1.html

Zhengi

This is exactly the score I'm hoping GS will give Wii Music. Just look at the Wii Music threads so far. This could be epic! :lol:

I think that would be 7.5 score if done with a 10 point system.

[QUOTE="DireToad"]There is no reason to defend Nintendo at this point.


Nintendo might be selling more than the 360 and the PS3 but the real gamers know where the gaming is at this gen.
Zhengi

What reason would there be to criticize Nintendo? The game isn't for the hardcore, and yet the hardcore act like Nintendo just slept with their girlfriends. Just puzzling to me :?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]There is no reason to defend Nintendo at this point.


Nintendo might be selling more than the 360 and the PS3 but the real gamers know where the gaming is at this gen.
DireToad

What reason would there be to criticize Nintendo? The game isn't for the hardcore, and yet the hardcore act like Nintendo just slept with their girlfriends. Just puzzling to me :?

For a long time now? Really? Cause it seems like MS and Sony are doing the exact same thing and there is no outcry there.

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="Callous-Bstard"]

for those asking "why MIDI why?"

It wouldn't have been possible any other way. There simply wouldn't be enough room on the disc (be it DVD or Blu-Ray) to hold the number of tracks required.

You're talking 60 different instruments each capable of playing any part of the track in a variety of styles...you'd be talking thousands and thousands of hours of recording. This isn't like other music games where you have a set track with set notes and set instruments. MIDI is the only option (although that's not to say they could have got some better MIDI samples for some instruments)

Senor_Kami

MIDI still makes my ears bleed. there is no excuse for it in this day and age. yet more nintendo backwards looking.

LOL, you have no clue what MIDI is do you? Its just a communication protocol. You can have sounds that are cheap like a SNES or $1000+ 50gb+ sample banks that are used in commercial music and scores all the time. Both triggered via MIDI. If its a song that has a keyboard, synthesizer, or something that makes you say, "wow, this pop/rock/rap/techno (god especially techno) group actually paid to have a symphony orchestra come in and record backing tracks" then there like a 99% chance MIDI was involved.

don't lecture me about midi, i know what it is and i also know that alot of the sounds on wii music sound down right poor becuase of it. its not just that its midi its that you can REALLY tell that its midi, its that crappy keyboard sound that rmiends me of bad flash games.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

Gamespy 3.5 out of 5

Pros:

Clean presentation; extremely user-friendly; directly targeted at young, casual audience.

Cons:

The more traditional "hardcore" gaming audience will simply not care about the experience it offers.

http://wii.gamespy.com/wii/wii-music/921407p1.html

HarlockJC

This is exactly the score I'm hoping GS will give Wii Music. Just look at the Wii Music threads so far. This could be epic! :lol:

I think that would be 7.5 score if done with a 10 point system.

Yeah, around that score. I'm surprised that not as many people have replied regarding this one. So far, 2 good reviews and 1 bad review for Wii Music. Looks like it has a good chance of scoring A :)

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]There is no reason to defend Nintendo at this point.


Nintendo might be selling more than the 360 and the PS3 but the real gamers know where the gaming is at this gen.
DireToad

What reason would there be to criticize Nintendo? The game isn't for the hardcore, and yet the hardcore act like Nintendo just slept with their girlfriends. Just puzzling to me :?

Has a Nintendo fan with Mario Kart and SSBB coming out this year. I for one am happy. Last year we had MP3 and SMG.

Next year we know about at least Punch out and S&P 2.

If hardcore Nintendo fans are upset by that, maybe they were not as hardcore has they though.

There is no reason to defend Nintendo at this point.


Nintendo might be selling more than the 360 and the PS3 but the real gamers know where the gaming is at this gen.
DireToad

Because of Wii Music?

Yeah, around that score. I'm surprised that not as many people have replied regarding this one. So far, 2 good reviews and 1 bad review for Wii Music. Looks like it has a good chance of scoring A :)

Zhengi

I could really care less about the score the game was not made to target me. It could score a AAA score and I would not care. Heck there has been many games like Gears and GTA4 which got high scores I did not care for.

What I don't really care for are all these gamers which are crying because a game was made from Nintendo to target another group of gamers. They make it sound has though Nintendo will never make another Zelda or Mario game again.

I will say this "I am looking forward to WiiSports 2".

That game came out already? Wow, I've heard like zero publicity about it... and maybe that's a good thing.Funkyhamster

Comes out on the 20th in NA

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]There is no reason to defend Nintendo at this point.


Nintendo might be selling more than the 360 and the PS3 but the real gamers know where the gaming is at this gen.
HarlockJC

What reason would there be to criticize Nintendo? The game isn't for the hardcore, and yet the hardcore act like Nintendo just slept with their girlfriends. Just puzzling to me :?

Has a Nintendo fan with Mario Kart and SSBB coming out this year. I for one am happy. Last year we had MP3 and SMG.

Next year we know about at least Punch out and S&P 2.

If hardcore Nintendo fans are upset by that, maybe they were not as hardcore has they though.

Because of Wii Music?

vdastampede

Are you telling me that hardcore gamers should be happy with 2 games coming out each year?

DireToad

Do hardcore gamers just buy Nintendo first party games and nothing else?

[QUOTE="DireToad"]

Are you telling me that hardcore gamers should be happy with 2 games coming out each year?

HarlockJC

Do hardcore gamers just buy Nintendo first party games and nothing else?

Because of Wii Music?

vdastampede

Because of everything Nintendo has done since the Wii launched.DireToad

Why? Some very good things have come out with the Wii.

Nintendo is splitting off and focusing on a different crowd! It's geard more for kids and moms and dads if they can get them to play heck even grandma and grandpas. For the hardcore gamer Nintendo is junk period. It almost makes me sick..jasonheyman

Are you telling me that hardcore gamers should be happy with 2 games coming out each year?

DireToad

Exactly!! I watch gametrailer.com on their cable show and the guy who represents nintendo,... he was at E3..... He was asked the question about better games and he got all pissy saying "Give us time, it takes time to make games.." I laughed. They are a Million dollar company and they don't have teams working on this in advance?... Pitiful

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Yeah, around that score. I'm surprised that not as many people have replied regarding this one. So far, 2 good reviews and 1 bad review for Wii Music. Looks like it has a good chance of scoring A :)

HarlockJC

I could really care less about the score the game was not made to target me. It could score a AAA score and I would not care. Heck there has been many games like Gears and GTA4 which got high scores I did not care for.

What I don't really care for are all these gamers which are crying because a game was made from Nintendo to target another group of gamers. They make it sound has though Nintendo will never make another Zelda or Mario game again.

I will say this "I am looking forward to WiiSports 2".

Yeah, I definitely find this annoying too, but I accept it cause they're just being what they are, fanboys. What better way to bash Nintendo for winning the console wars than to mock them as being uncaring for the "hardcore" and releasing games like Wii Music that target another demographic. It's rather silly and funny at the same time.

All I know is that Wii Music has really brought me hours of entertainment while I pass the time at work :lol:

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Yeah, around that score. I'm surprised that not as many people have replied regarding this one. So far, 2 good reviews and 1 bad review for Wii Music. Looks like it has a good chance of scoring A :)

Zhengi

I could really care less about the score the game was not made to target me. It could score a AAA score and I would not care. Heck there has been many games like Gears and GTA4 which got high scores I did not care for.

What I don't really care for are all these gamers which are crying because a game was made from Nintendo to target another group of gamers. They make it sound has though Nintendo will never make another Zelda or Mario game again.

I will say this "I am looking forward to WiiSports 2".

Yeah, I definitely find this annoying too, but I accept it cause they're just being what they are, fanboys. What better way to bash Nintendo for winning the console wars than to mock them as being uncaring for the "hardcore" and releasing games like Wii Music that target another demographic. It's rather silly and funny at the same time.

All I know is that Wii Music has really brought me hours of entertainment while I pass the time at work :lol:

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]

Are you telling me that hardcore gamers should be happy with 2 games coming out each year?

DireToad

Do hardcore gamers just buy Nintendo first party games and nothing else?

Yes, but like other so called "sheep". I do buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games. There just too many good ones in my opinion to go without. But like most gamers I do buy other games than just Nintendo first party titles.

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]Nintendo is splitting off and focusing on a different crowd! It's geard more for kids and moms and dads if they can get them to play heck even grandma and grandpas. For the hardcore gamer Nintendo is junk period. It almost makes me sick..-DarthMaul-

They seemed concerned when they presented all their games in the Fall Conference earlier this month. Why do people keep going back to E3 and convienently ignore this month's conference? Sin and Punishment 2? Are you kidding me? One of the biggest franchises on the N64 gets released on the Wii and you get a sequel to it? Come on, how can any hardcore gamer continue to say that Nintendo doesn't care about them?

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="Callous-Bstard"]

for those asking "why MIDI why?"

It wouldn't have been possible any other way. There simply wouldn't be enough room on the disc (be it DVD or Blu-Ray) to hold the number of tracks required.

You're talking 60 different instruments each capable of playing any part of the track in a variety of styles...you'd be talking thousands and thousands of hours of recording. This isn't like other music games where you have a set track with set notes and set instruments. MIDI is the only option (although that's not to say they could have got some better MIDI samples for some instruments)

thegoldenpoo

MIDI still makes my ears bleed. there is no excuse for it in this day and age. yet more nintendo backwards looking.

LOL, you have no clue what MIDI is do you? Its just a communication protocol. You can have sounds that are cheap like a SNES or $1000+ 50gb+ sample banks that are used in commercial music and scores all the time. Both triggered via MIDI. If its a song that has a keyboard, synthesizer, or something that makes you say, "wow, this pop/rock/rap/techno (god especially techno) group actually paid to have a symphony orchestra come in and record backing tracks" then there like a 99% chance MIDI was involved.

don't lecture me about midi, i know what it is and i also know that alot of the sounds on wii music sound down right poor becuase of it. its not just that its midi its that you can REALLY tell that its midi, its that crappy keyboard sound that rmiends me of bad flash games.

MIDI has nothing to do with poor quality sounds. Its not even audio, its just note data. Play note x and velocity y, hold it for z seconds, etc. I'm not saying Wii music has great sounds or bad sounds, just that the quality of the sounds has zero to do with whether MIDI is involved. Most the game scores you think are good are probably made 100% using MIDI unless its a film license where there was already pre-recorded music available to be used. Its just they used high quality sounds as opposed to low quality ones.

I say this because you could have a PS3 game that fit like a 40gb sample bank on a BD, used MIDI to trigger it all and it'd probably sound amazing and totally realistic to anyone who doesn't actually make music. But if you have the idea that MIDI = poor quality you'd automatically assume the game was sound crappy.

Ironically that game could be 100% identical to Wii music and I think it'd score like 9/10 and be hearadled as the next level of music games despite just being Wii Music with better sounds. Hell if Wii Music was called Sony Music and was literally the exact same as Wii Music but was on PS3, it woulda scored a 7/10 at worst.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Yeah, around that score. I'm surprised that not as many people have replied regarding this one. So far, 2 good reviews and 1 bad review for Wii Music. Looks like it has a good chance of scoring A :)

DireToad

I could really care less about the score the game was not made to target me. It could score a AAA score and I would not care. Heck there has been many games like Gears and GTA4 which got high scores I did not care for.

What I don't really care for are all these gamers which are crying because a game was made from Nintendo to target another group of gamers. They make it sound has though Nintendo will never make another Zelda or Mario game again.

I will say this "I am looking forward to WiiSports 2".

Yeah, I definitely find this annoying too, but I accept it cause they're just being what they are, fanboys. What better way to bash Nintendo for winning the console wars than to mock them as being uncaring for the "hardcore" and releasing games like Wii Music that target another demographic. It's rather silly and funny at the same time.

All I know is that Wii Music has really brought me hours of entertainment while I pass the time at work :lol:

How are they not? Fastest selling console ever and the most profitable gaming company so far. MS and Sony have lost billions. How is that considered winning?

Nintendo also has the best 1st party games with SMG being the 2007 GTOY and considered by many as the game of the generation.

How is that not winning the console war?

They seemed concerned when they presented all their games in the Fall Conference earlier this month. Why do people keep going back to E3 and convienently ignore this month's conference? Sin and Punishment 2? Are you kidding me? One of the biggest franchises on the N64 gets released on the Wii and you get a sequel to it? Come on, how can any hardcore gamer continue to say that Nintendo doesn't care about them?

Zhengi

Yeah but you have to admit when they put it on the wii its a down grade because of the hardware limits!

When I think Wii I think Toy When I think 360 or PS3 I think games! Nintendo is failing for me I just don't even put it in the "Gaming" category anymore!

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="Callous-Bstard"]

for those asking "why MIDI why?"

It wouldn't have been possible any other way. There simply wouldn't be enough room on the disc (be it DVD or Blu-Ray) to hold the number of tracks required.

You're talking 60 different instruments each capable of playing any part of the track in a variety of styles...you'd be talking thousands and thousands of hours of recording. This isn't like other music games where you have a set track with set notes and set instruments. MIDI is the only option (although that's not to say they could have got some better MIDI samples for some instruments)

Senor_Kami

MIDI still makes my ears bleed. there is no excuse for it in this day and age. yet more nintendo backwards looking.

LOL, you have no clue what MIDI is do you? Its just a communication protocol. You can have sounds that are cheap like a SNES or $1000+ 50gb+ sample banks that are used in commercial music and scores all the time. Both triggered via MIDI. If its a song that has a keyboard, synthesizer, or something that makes you say, "wow, this pop/rock/rap/techno (god especially techno) group actually paid to have a symphony orchestra come in and record backing tracks" then there like a 99% chance MIDI was involved.

don't lecture me about midi, i know what it is and i also know that alot of the sounds on wii music sound down right poor becuase of it. its not just that its midi its that you can REALLY tell that its midi, its that crappy keyboard sound that rmiends me of bad flash games.

MIDI has nothing to do with poor quality sounds. Its not even audio, its just note data. Play note x and velocity y, hold it for z seconds, etc. I'm not saying Wii music has great sounds or bad sounds, just that the quality of the sounds has zero to do with whether MIDI is involved. Most the game scores you think are good are probably made 100% using MIDI unless its a film license where there was already pre-recorded music available to be used. Its just they used high quality sounds as opposed to low quality ones.

I say this because you could have a PS3 game that fit like a 40gb sample bank on a BD, used MIDI to trigger it all and it'd probably sound amazing and totally realistic to anyone who doesn't actually make music. But if you have the idea that MIDI = poor quality you'd automatically assume the game was sound crappy.

Ironically that game could be 100% identical to Wii music and I think it'd score like 9/10 and be hearadled as the next level of music games despite just being Wii Music with better sounds. Hell if Wii Music was called Sony Music and was literally the exact same as Wii Music but was on PS3, it woulda scored a 7/10 at worst.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Yeah, around that score. I'm surprised that not as many people have replied regarding this one. So far, 2 good reviews and 1 bad review for Wii Music. Looks like it has a good chance of scoring A :)

Zhengi

I could really care less about the score the game was not made to target me. It could score a AAA score and I would not care. Heck there has been many games like Gears and GTA4 which got high scores I did not care for.

What I don't really care for are all these gamers which are crying because a game was made from Nintendo to target another group of gamers. They make it sound has though Nintendo will never make another Zelda or Mario game again.

I will say this "I am looking forward to WiiSports 2".

Yeah, I definitely find this annoying too, but I accept it cause they're just being what they are, fanboys. What better way to bash Nintendo for winning the console wars than to mock them as being uncaring for the "hardcore" and releasing games like Wii Music that target another demographic. It's rather silly and funny at the same time.

All I know is that Wii Music has really brought me hours of entertainment while I pass the time at work :lol:

I'll third it. There wasn't nearly as much crap about the Wii when it was getting Mario Galaxy, Zelda, MP3, NMH, Zack and Wiki, and SSBB. And now that it's in a small rut, people seem to want to take advantage of kicking a good system while it's really easy to do so. And Nintendo decides to make one game that isn't even aimed for the "hardcore" crowd and all of a sudden, people seem to 100% understand Nintendo as a company that doesn't understand what they're doing. Disgusting really.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

They seemed concerned when they presented all their games in the Fall Conference earlier this month. Why do people keep going back to E3 and convienently ignore this month's conference? Sin and Punishment 2? Are you kidding me? One of the biggest franchises on the N64 gets released on the Wii and you get a sequel to it? Come on, how can any hardcore gamer continue to say that Nintendo doesn't care about them?

jasonheyman

Yeah but you have to admit when they put it on the wii its a down grade because of the hardware limits!

When I think Wii I think Toy When I think 360 or PS3 I think games! Nintendo is failing for me I just don't even put it in the "Gaming" category anymore!

Where else would they put it? Nintendo owns part of the franchise. No way it's coming to the 360 or PS3 :|

And how is it a downgrade? The game was on the N64. It has never been released anywhere else. How can it be a downgrade when the Wii is more powerful than the N64. Wow, you fanboys really are stretching it.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Yeah, around that score. I'm surprised that not as many people have replied regarding this one. So far, 2 good reviews and 1 bad review for Wii Music. Looks like it has a good chance of scoring A :)

Zhengi

I could really care less about the score the game was not made to target me. It could score a AAA score and I would not care. Heck there has been many games like Gears and GTA4 which got high scores I did not care for.

What I don't really care for are all these gamers which are crying because a game was made from Nintendo to target another group of gamers. They make it sound has though Nintendo will never make another Zelda or Mario game again.

I will say this "I am looking forward to WiiSports 2".

Yeah, I definitely find this annoying too, but I accept it cause they're just being what they are, fanboys. What better way to bash Nintendo for winning the console wars than to mock them as being uncaring for the "hardcore" and releasing games like Wii Music that target another demographic. It's rather silly and funny at the same time.

All I know is that Wii Music has really brought me hours of entertainment while I pass the time at work :lol:

How are they not? Fastest selling console ever and the most profitable gaming company so far. MS and Sony have lost billions. How is that considered winning?

Nintendo also has the best 1st party games with SMG being the 2007 GTOY and considered by many as the game of the generation.

How is that not winning the console war?

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

The best first party games? Why should that even begin to matter? Because of one GOTY... back in 2007? That's why Nintendo is winning the war?


Sheep are so delusional.DireToad

So rather than going LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Explain how they're not winning. If not games and not sales, what is your criteria to measure that they aren't winning?

Where else would they put it? Nintendo owns part of the franchise. No way it's coming to the 360 or PS3 :|

And how is it a downgrade? The game was on the N64. It has never been released anywhere else. How can it be a downgrade when the Wii is more powerful than the N64. Wow, you fanboys really are stretching it.

Zhengi

Don't take what I'm saying so personal. I know your a fan but I'm not.. And what I mean about downgrade is the wii hardware compared to the PS3 or 360 heck I don't even know if it put out the old PS2 system specs. They focused more on the controller then the hardware!

[QUOTE="DireToad"]

Are you telling me that hardcore gamers should be happy with 2 games coming out each year?

HarlockJC

Do hardcore gamers just buy Nintendo first party games and nothing else?

In all honesty, Nintendo has had abysmal 3rd party support going all the way back to the N64. I'd be willing to bet that the game library of most people who own a N64, Gamecube or Wii is like 70% Nintendo published games. That is the reason to buy a Nintendo console. Nintendo has an approach to making games that nobody else has.

I think its kinda like an unspoken rule that you don't buy a Nintendo console for hyper-violent M rated games unless you just wanna dissapoint yourself. Meanwhile you don't buy a Sony/MS console if you're looking for platformers and games that can be fun and not hyper violent at the same time... unless you're happy with only buying like 1 or 2 games a year.

I don't think a hardcore gamer can be 100% satisfied with only a Wii, but I do think a hardcore gamer (from my age group at least) will always consider buying a Nintendo system to pick up the titles and types of games that simply aren't made by anyone but Nintendo.

I respect Nintendo cuz they make games that are good only because they are fun. They seem to really sit down and analyze things. I can see them being like, "yes thats cool, but is it fun?" and actually rejecting it if its fun factor value was too low, regardless of how cool it seemed.

[QUOTE="DireToad"]LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

The best first party games? Why should that even begin to matter? Because of one GOTY... back in 2007? That's why Nintendo is winning the war?


Sheep are so delusional.Zhengi

So rather than going LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Explain how they're not winning. If not games and not sales, what is your criteria to measure that they aren't winning?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Where else would they put it? Nintendo owns part of the franchise. No way it's coming to the 360 or PS3 :|

And how is it a downgrade? The game was on the N64. It has never been released anywhere else. How can it be a downgrade when the Wii is more powerful than the N64. Wow, you fanboys really are stretching it.

jasonheyman

Don't take what I'm saying so personal. I know your a fan but I'm not.. And what I mean about downgrade is the wii hardware compared to the PS3 or 360 heck I don't even know if it put out the old PS2 system specs. They focused more on the controller then the hardware!

I'm not taking it personal. But how can it be a downgrade if it isn't even planned for either the PS3 or the 360? It has never been released anywhere else. I can understand if it was originally planned for those two consoles, but it isn't. There can't be a downgrade if there never was intended to be a version for the HD consoles.

This is like saying Super Mario Galaxy is a downgrade from Mario 64 because it's coming to the Wii instead of the 360 and PS3. :?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

The best first party games? Why should that even begin to matter? Because of one GOTY... back in 2007? That's why Nintendo is winning the war?


Sheep are so delusional.DireToad

So rather than going LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Explain how they're not winning. If not games and not sales, what is your criteria to measure that they aren't winning?

Wait. So first you tell me it's not about the games... but then to back up your argument, you revert back to it's about the games? Huh? Ok, I'll just assume you don't really have any arguments at all.

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]Where else would they put it? Nintendo owns part of the franchise. No way it's coming to the 360 or PS3 :|

And how is it a downgrade? The game was on the N64. It has never been released anywhere else. How can it be a downgrade when the Wii is more powerful than the N64. Wow, you fanboys really are stretching it.

Zhengi

Don't take what I'm saying so personal. I know your a fan but I'm not.. And what I mean about downgrade is the wii hardware compared to the PS3 or 360 heck I don't even know if it put out the old PS2 system specs. They focused more on the controller then the hardware!

I'm not taking it personal. But how can it be a downgrade if it isn't even planned for either the PS3 or the 360? It has never been released anywhere else. I can understand if it was originally planned for those two consoles, but it isn't. There can't be a downgrade if there never was intended to be a version for the HD consoles.

This is like saying Super Mario Galaxy is a downgrade from Mario 64 because it's coming to the Wii instead of the 360 and PS3. :?

Isn't Madden 09 across the platform board??

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Where else would they put it? Nintendo owns part of the franchise. No way it's coming to the 360 or PS3 :|

And how is it a downgrade? The game was on the N64. It has never been released anywhere else. How can it be a downgrade when the Wii is more powerful than the N64. Wow, you fanboys really are stretching it.

jasonheyman

Don't take what I'm saying so personal. I know your a fan but I'm not.. And what I mean about downgrade is the wii hardware compared to the PS3 or 360 heck I don't even know if it put out the old PS2 system specs. They focused more on the controller then the hardware!

That last sentence made me laugh. Controller = hardware :P

GameSpy's Review is up

How about the Wii's entire library being a joke compared to the PS3's or the 360's?DireToad

O rly?! ...

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[QUOTE="DireToad"]

Are you telling me that hardcore gamers should be happy with 2 games coming out each year?

Senor_Kami

Do hardcore gamers just buy Nintendo first party games and nothing else?

In all honesty, Nintendo has had abysmal 3rd party support going all the way back to the N64. I'd be willing to bet that the game library of most people who own a N64, Gamecube or Wii is like 70% Nintendo published games. That is the reason to buy a Nintendo console. Nintendo has an approach to making games that nobody else has.

I think its kinda like an unspoken rule that you don't buy a Nintendo console for hyper-violent M rated games unless you just wanna dissapoint yourself. Meanwhile you don't buy a Sony/MS console if you're looking for platformers and games that can be fun and not hyper violent at the same time... unless you're happy with only buying like 1 or 2 games a year.

I don't think a hardcore gamer can be 100% satisfied with only a Wii, but I do think a hardcore gamer (from my age group at least) will always consider buying a Nintendo system to pick up the titles and types of games that simply aren't made by anyone but Nintendo.

I respect Nintendo cuz they make games that are good only because they are fun. They seem to really sit down and analyze things. I can see them being like, "yes thats cool, but is it fun?" and actually rejecting it if its fun factor value was too low, regardless of how cool it seemed.

What age group are you in? I'm entering my 30s. I would assume that more people in my age group do not play video games and Nintendo has successfully done well to reach out to this group. That's why the Wii is selling massive amounts right now.

I do think that Nintendo has tried to go for the M crowd with games like Eternal Darkness and Geist. They just haven't been too successful and they're probably better off leaving that to third parties. This gen it seems like 3rd parties are kind of filling this gap with games such as Fatal Frame IV, The Calling, that one game with the monks (can't remember right now), Resident Evil, Dead Rising, House of the Dead, Mad World, No More Heroes, and probably other stuff. This seems like a good situation to me cause Nintendo can concentrate on their strengths and 3rd parties can fill in the gaps in between.

This is why the 360 and PS3 are looked upon as successful. What MS and Sony cannot make they have 3rd parties fill in. Look at the JRPGs that have been released. Mostly 3rd party games with a few 2nd party. This is the best way to run a system because not one company is able to cover all the genres for players. I've said that 3rd parties are important because they bring games that fill out a line up and make it better around the 1st party games.

This gen it appears that this will start happening for Nintendo. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of subpar games that are being released, but the good games take time and no one predicted the Wii would be this successful. A lot of third parties are starting to focus on releasing games for the Wii and the fruits of their labor are starting to show. Look at Marvelous' line up. 90% of their games are for the Wii and they have many of them coming out in 2009. EA and Activision are beginning to understand the sales potential of the Wii and they're also planning more projects for it. Guitar Hero 3 sold extremely well for Activision and it's a million seller for them.

I think the Wii is starting to come on to its own after a slow start. Things will get better and more support will round out its library.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]Where else would they put it? Nintendo owns part of the franchise. No way it's coming to the 360 or PS3 :|

And how is it a downgrade? The game was on the N64. It has never been released anywhere else. How can it be a downgrade when the Wii is more powerful than the N64. Wow, you fanboys really are stretching it.

jasonheyman

Don't take what I'm saying so personal. I know your a fan but I'm not.. And what I mean about downgrade is the wii hardware compared to the PS3 or 360 heck I don't even know if it put out the old PS2 system specs. They focused more on the controller then the hardware!

I'm not taking it personal. But how can it be a downgrade if it isn't even planned for either the PS3 or the 360? It has never been released anywhere else. I can understand if it was originally planned for those two consoles, but it isn't. There can't be a downgrade if there never was intended to be a version for the HD consoles.

This is like saying Super Mario Galaxy is a downgrade from Mario 64 because it's coming to the Wii instead of the 360 and PS3. :?

Isn't Madden 09 across the platform board??

Isn't Sin and Punishment not across the platform board??

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[QUOTE="DireToad"]LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

The best first party games? Why should that even begin to matter? Because of one GOTY... back in 2007? That's why Nintendo is winning the war?


Sheep are so delusional.Zhengi

So rather than going LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Explain how they're not winning. If not games and not sales, what is your criteria to measure that they aren't winning?

Wait. So first you tell me it's not about the games... but then to back up your argument, you revert back to it's about the games? Huh? Ok, I'll just assume you don't really have any arguments at all.