Wii Sports Resort review up. GS

How is this thread still going? It's not that surprising Resort got an 8.0. It's average is 8.5.

[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

Who would have thought that a game that getsa good score be so offensive to SW?

Because it doesn't deserve to be placed on the pedestal next to other AA games. It really can't compare to them.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

• All the wii has is exclusive,
• very terrible ones at that.

The exclusives that come out on 360/Ps3 are 7/10 times decent games that get great scores. How many wii games can you say that about. Wait im asking the wrong person,

• you will of course love the 300 Mario and
• 40 zeldaand
• god knows how many Metroid prime games come out.

enygma500

• Isn't that all you people care about in SW? The all might exclusives?
• I don't care about your opinion.
• Please name me these 300 Mario games
• And while you're at it these 40 Zelda games
• Only 4

And while you're at it don't you love how great Nintendo's character Terry Bogard is :roll:

Actually I think there's nearly 20 zelda games. There is FAR more then only 4.

Sigh....I should have used numbers instead of dots. I was speaking of Metroid Prime. But that's 5 games as there is Metroid Prim Pinball.

Is it 20 or 40? Make up your mind. And as I've said list me these 40 games er wait now 20 games. I want exact numbers not random guesses.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

• Isn't that all you people care about in SW? The all might exclusives?
• I don't care about your opinion.
• Please name me these 300 Mario games
• And while you're at it these 40 Zelda games
• Only 4

And while you're at it don't you love how great Nintendo's character Terry Bogard is :roll:

The__Havoc

Actually I think there's nearly 20 zelda games. There is FAR more then only 4.

Sigh....I should have used numbers instead of dots. I was speaking of Metroid Prime. But that's 5 games as there is Metroid Prim Pinball.

Is it 20 or 40? Make up your mind. And as I've said list me these 40 games er wait now 20 games. I want exact numbers not random guesses.

Did you not notice that I was a different person then you originally quoted???yeah there may be only 4 or 5 Metroid games

The Legend of Zelda
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening/DX
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time/Master Quest
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks
Zelda Wii
Link: The Faces of Evil
Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon
Zelda's Adventure
Zelda Game & Watch

There's the list of Zelda games to date. There's also been some other spin-off games. But there's 20 different games there.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

Actually I think there's nearly 20 zelda games. There is FAR more then only 4.

enygma500

Sigh....I should have used numbers instead of dots. I was speaking of Metroid Prime. But that's 5 games as there is Metroid Prim Pinball.

Is it 20 or 40? Make up your mind. And as I've said list me these 40 games er wait now 20 games. I want exact numbers not random guesses.

Did you not notice that I was a different person then you originally quoted???yeah there may be only 4 or 5 Metroid games

The Legend of Zelda
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening/DX
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time/Master Quest
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks
Zelda Wii
Link: The Faces of Evil
Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon
Zelda's Adventure
Zelda Game & Watch

There's the list of Zelda games to date. There's also been some other spin-off games. But there's 20 different games there.

So that dat is the future now?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="magiciandude"]

Who would have thought that a game that getsa good score be so offensive to SW?

magiciandude

Because it doesn't deserve to be placed on the pedestal next to other AA games. It really can't compare to them.

Do you think that it compares to them? I mean, really?

[QUOTE="magiciandude"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Because it doesn't deserve to be placed on the pedestal next to other AA games. It really can't compare to them.

hakanakumono

Do you think that it compares to them? I mean, really?

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Sigh....I should have used numbers instead of dots. I was speaking of Metroid Prime. But that's 5 games as there is Metroid Prim Pinball.

Is it 20 or 40? Make up your mind. And as I've said list me these 40 games er wait now 20 games. I want exact numbers not random guesses.

The__Havoc

Did you not notice that I was a different person then you originally quoted???yeah there may be only 4 or 5 Metroid games

The Legend of Zelda
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening/DX
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time/Master Quest
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks
Zelda Wii
Link: The Faces of Evil
Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon
Zelda's Adventure
Zelda Game & Watch

There's the list of Zelda games to date. There's also been some other spin-off games. But there's 20 different games there.

So that dat is the future now?

OMG! now you're just being difficult. There's 20 Zelda games. Zelda Wii may not come till next year and I dunno when Spirit Tracks is due out. But They're both announced and will release.

or take those 2 games off the list for now and I'm still right as I had originally said there's ALMOST 20 games. so stfu already.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

• Isn't that all you people care about in SW? The all might exclusives?
• I don't care about your opinion.
• Please name me these 300 Mario games
• And while you're at it these 40 Zelda games
• Only 4

And while you're at it don't you love how great Nintendo's character Terry Bogard is :roll:

The__Havoc

Actually I think there's nearly 20 zelda games. There is FAR more then only 4.

Sigh....I should have used numbers instead of dots. I was speaking of Metroid Prime. But that's 5 games as there is Metroid Prim Pinball.

Is it 20 or 40? Make up your mind. And as I've said list me these 40 games er wait now 20 games. I want exact numbers not random guesses.

its obvious i was exaggerating, but the post above made a point. There are 20 zelda games, that is ridiculous. How many mario games are there?

and how can you not care about exclusives, when thats all the Wii has?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

"Fun" falls under "entertainment" but "entertainment" doesn't fall under "fun." In other words, simple fun is just one way games entertain players.

Why should a game score an 8 when it doesn't compare to other 8s?

The__Havoc

Because games are in different genres :roll:

So? A JRPG is perfectly capable of depth or complexity in terms of storyline or gameplay just the same as Survival Horror is. And many other genres as well. Minigame collections shouldn't be given a free break just because its a minigame collection. It's part of the weakness of minigame collections. It's an insult to the other 8s which offer so much more than this game, which scored an 8 simply because it was "good enough." It doesn't do anything outstanding, it just does it well.

OMG! now you're just being difficult. There's 20 Zelda games. Zelda Wii may not come till next year and I dunno when Spirit Tracks is due out. But They're both announced and will release.

or take those 2 games off the list for now and I'm still right as I had originally said there's ALMOST 20 games. so stfu already.

enygma500

If you haven't figured out that the point of my posts was to stop making blanket statements and actually make statistisically correct ones rather then pull randoms numbers out then I don't know what to tell you. You can't count games that aren't released and hell if you know by the time these games come out that there won't be more Zelda's announced.

No you're not right. You did not say, "Almost 20 games" you said "Nearly." You can keep your insults as I don't want them thank you.

So? A JRPG is perfectly capable of depth or complexity in terms of storyline or gameplay just the same as Survival Horror is. And many other genres as well. Minigame collections shouldn't be given a free break just because its a minigame collection. It's part of the weakness of minigame collections. It's an insult to the other 8s which offer so much more than this game, which scored an 8 simply because it was "good enough." It doesn't do anything outstanding, it just does it well.

hakanakumono

Yes so much depth and complexity about a bunch of teenagers on a linear quest to save the world with the majority of games in the genre deriving off of menu based combat.

Mini game collections aren't being given a free break they are being judged in comparison to other mini games.

The fact that you find it an insult means that you are just taking gaming, reviews, and scores not only to literal but just all around way too seriously. Who are you to judge in claims that other genre's offer much more then this game?

Do JRPGS or Survial Horror games offer getting large groups of people together to play games? No. Do they offer the opportunity for players that don't typically play games a chance to play? No. Do they offer an appeal to female gamers on the same level? No.

They are different genre's so I don't understand why you are comparing. There are people that don't even view JRPGS as RPGS compared to WRPGS as WRPGS are so much more open ended and role playing heavy in comparison. But would you agree if anyone said that JRPGS don't deserve to be anything above score X because they lack these elements in comparison to WRPGS? No you would not.

At the end of the day its "THE REVIEWERS" Opinion, you can have yours as well but at the end of the day its irrelevant to his opinion of the game. You have yours the reviewer has his. Opinions are fun well because they are so different.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

"Fun" falls under "entertainment" but "entertainment" doesn't fall under "fun." In other words, simple fun is just one way games entertain players.

Why should a game score an 8 when it doesn't compare to other 8s?

hakanakumono

Because games are in different genres :roll:

So? A JRPG is perfectly capable of depth or complexity in terms of storyline or gameplay just the same as Survival Horror is. And many other genres as well. Minigame collections shouldn't be given a free break just because its a minigame collection. It's part of the weakness of minigame collections. It's an insult to the other 8s which offer so much more than this game, which scored an 8 simply because it was "good enough." It doesn't do anything outstanding, it just does it well.

But that is where you are wrong! For there is depth to be found in even this mini-game collection.

"but the one-to-one movement afforded by the Wii MotionPlus means there are several things to think about in every throw, such as the speed of your flick, the angle and timing of release, and any spin you may want to impart. Unless you're a serious Frisbee freak in the real world, it can be a decent challenge to throw straight consistently. These tight controls make even this basic minigame--throw Frisbee, make dog catch Frisbee--more challenging and fun than you might expect."

"MotionPlus allows for extremely precise targeting, making archery simple to perform but hard to master. Table tennis is another top performer, with the game accurately tracking every slight tilt and turn of your virtual racket. This makes it an extremely close re-creation of the real sport and one of the best competitive games"

"In golf, putting is a much more precise affair, while adding a draw or fade to shots is now something that can be realistically added to your arsenal. Adding spin when bowling has also been significantly improved--making a bowling ball curve left or right"

"Nintendo has created another winner that can be picked up and enjoyed by gamers of all levels."

All this straight from the review. Don't judge a book by it's cover. As you say, minigames should not be given a free pass; however, they should not be disregarded either.

But that is where you are wrong! For there is depth to be found in even this mini-game collection.

"but the one-to-one movement afforded by the Wii MotionPlus means there are several things to think about in every throw, such as the speed of your flick, the angle and timing of release, and any spin you may want to impart. Unless you're a serious Frisbee freak in the real world, it can be a decent challenge to throw straight consistently. These tight controls make even this basic minigame--throw Frisbee, make dog catch Frisbee--more challenging and fun than you might expect."

"MotionPlus allows for extremely precise targeting, making archery simple to perform but hard to master. Table tennis is another top performer, with the game accurately tracking every slight tilt and turn of your virtual racket. This makes it an extremely close re-creation of the real sport and one of the best competitive games"

"In golf, putting is a much more precise affair, while adding a draw or fade to shots is now something that can be realistically added to your arsenal. Adding spin when bowling has also been significantly improved--making a bowling ball curve left or right"

"Nintendo has created another winner that can be picked up and enjoyed by gamers of all levels."

All this straight from the review. Don't judge a book by it's cover. As you say, minigames should not be given a free pass; however, they should not be disregarded either.

SMR-Venom

The man makes great points.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

So? A JRPG is perfectly capable of depth or complexity in terms of storyline or gameplay just the same as Survival Horror is. And many other genres as well. Minigame collections shouldn't be given a free break just because its a minigame collection. It's part of the weakness of minigame collections. It's an insult to the other 8s which offer so much more than this game, which scored an 8 simply because it was "good enough." It doesn't do anything outstanding, it just does it well.

The__Havoc

Yes so much depth and complexity about a bunch of teenagers on a linear quest to save the world with the majority of games in the genre deriving off of menu based combat.

Mini game collections aren't being given a free break they are being judged in comparison to other mini games.

The fact that you find it an insult means that you are just taking gaming, reviews, and scores not only to literal but just all around way too seriously. Who are you to judge in claims that other genre's offer much more then this game?

Do JRPGS or Survial Horror games offer getting large groups of people together to play games? No. Do they offer the opportunity for players that don't typically play games a chance to play? No. Do they offer an appeal to female gamers on the same level? No.

They are different genre's so I don't understand why you are comparing. There are people that don't even view JRPGS as RPGS compared to WRPGS as WRPGS are so much more open ended and role playing heavy in comparison. But would you agree if anyone said that JRPGS don't deserve to be anything above score X because they lack these elements in comparison to WRPGS? No you would not.

At the end of the day its "THE REVIEWERS" Opinion, you can have yours as well but at the end of the day its irrelevant to his opinion of the game. You have yours the reviewer has his. Opinions are fun well because they are so different.

All you do in videogames is press buttons. See? I can generalize too. Just because you ignore depth and complexity doesn't mean its not there.

Judgement is an important life skill.

Does that have to do with anything? No.

Because different genres can be compared. It doesn't matter how you approach depth and complexity as long as depth and complexity is there. The open ended world and role playing elements when done create an element of depth and complexity just like Siren's story and stealth gameplay with sightjacking. They're different, but they're both forms of the same thing.

What I'm saying is that Wii Sports Resort is being rewarded for not failing. Here, have a cookie Timmy. You didn't shoot your family today.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Because games are in different genres :roll:

SMR-Venom

So? A JRPG is perfectly capable of depth or complexity in terms of storyline or gameplay just the same as Survival Horror is. And many other genres as well. Minigame collections shouldn't be given a free break just because its a minigame collection. It's part of the weakness of minigame collections. It's an insult to the other 8s which offer so much more than this game, which scored an 8 simply because it was "good enough." It doesn't do anything outstanding, it just does it well.

But that is where you are wrong! For there is depth to be found in even this mini-game collection.

"but the one-to-one movement afforded by the Wii MotionPlus means there are several things to think about in every throw, such as the speed of your flick, the angle and timing of release, and any spin you may want to impart. Unless you're a serious Frisbee freak in the real world, it can be a decent challenge to throw straight consistently. These tight controls make even this basic minigame--throw Frisbee, make dog catch Frisbee--more challenging and fun than you might expect."

"MotionPlus allows for extremely precise targeting, making archery simple to perform but hard to master. Table tennis is another top performer, with the game accurately tracking every slight tilt and turn of your virtual racket. This makes it an extremely close re-creation of the real sport and one of the best competitive games"

"In golf, putting is a much more precise affair, while adding a draw or fade to shots is now something that can be realistically added to your arsenal. Adding spin when bowling has also been significantly improved--making a bowling ball curve left or right"

"Nintendo has created another winner that can be picked up and enjoyed by gamers of all levels."

All this straight from the review. Don't judge a book by it's cover. As you say, minigames should not be given a free pass; however, they should not be disregarded either.

If I was judging Wii Sports resort byt he cover, I would be looking at it's cover and judging it from there.

Please dont confused difficulty with depth and complexity. They are not the same. Sports Resort may require skill and precision, and that's a great thing.

I want to note that I believe that 7s are an important part of every library. For those who enjoy playing with friends and/or enjoy minigame collections, the game is definitely worth owning because its clearly a high quality game. It just doesn't offer anything above or beyond what should place it as a 7.5. That doesn't mean that it should be disregarded.

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

So? A JRPG is perfectly capable of depth or complexity in terms of storyline or gameplay just the same as Survival Horror is. And many other genres as well. Minigame collections shouldn't be given a free break just because its a minigame collection. It's part of the weakness of minigame collections. It's an insult to the other 8s which offer so much more than this game, which scored an 8 simply because it was "good enough." It doesn't do anything outstanding, it just does it well.

hakanakumono

But that is where you are wrong! For there is depth to be found in even this mini-game collection.

"but the one-to-one movement afforded by the Wii MotionPlus means there are several things to think about in every throw, such as the speed of your flick, the angle and timing of release, and any spin you may want to impart. Unless you're a serious Frisbee freak in the real world, it can be a decent challenge to throw straight consistently. These tight controls make even this basic minigame--throw Frisbee, make dog catch Frisbee--more challenging and fun than you might expect."

"MotionPlus allows for extremely precise targeting, making archery simple to perform but hard to master. Table tennis is another top performer, with the game accurately tracking every slight tilt and turn of your virtual racket. This makes it an extremely close re-creation of the real sport and one of the best competitive games"

"In golf, putting is a much more precise affair, while adding a draw or fade to shots is now something that can be realistically added to your arsenal. Adding spin when bowling has also been significantly improved--making a bowling ball curve left or right"

"Nintendo has created another winner that can be picked up and enjoyed by gamers of all levels."

All this straight from the review. Don't judge a book by it's cover. As you say, minigames should not be given a free pass; however, they should not be disregarded either.

If I was judging Wii Sports resort byt he cover, I would be looking at it's cover and judging it from there.

Please dont confused difficulty with depth and complexity. They are not the same. Sports Resort may require skill and precision, and that's a great thing.

I want to note that I believe that 7s are an important part of every library. For those who enjoy playing with friends and/or enjoy minigame collections, the game is definitely worth owning because its clearly a high quality game. It just doesn't offer anything above or beyond what should place it as a 7.5

Oh okay, if you say so. :roll:

All you do in videogames is press buttons. See? I can generalize too. Just because you ignore depth and complexity doesn't mean its not there.

Judgement is an important life skill.

Does that have to do with anything? No.

Because different genres can be compared. It doesn't matter how you approach depth and complexity as long as depth and complexity is there. The open ended world and role playing elements when done create an element of depth and complexity just like Siren's story and stealth gameplay with sightjacking. They're different, but they're both forms of the same thing.

What I'm saying is that Wii Sports Resort is being rewarded for not failing. Here, have a cookie Timmy. You didn't shoot your family today.

hakanakumono

Yet in Wii Sports Resort you don't just press the buttons you move the controller :o Haha.

Just because I ignore depth and complexity doesn't mean its not there? Um take you're own advice you are the one ignoring depth and complexity by completly writing off Wii Sports Resort.

Judgement is an important life skill? Again I say take your own adice on the situation.

Wii Sports Resort is not being rewarded for not failing. It was rewarded for succeeding. Did you not read the exerts of the review that Venom posted for you? " Judgement is an important life skill" right?

Oh okay, if you say so. :roll:

hakanakumono

SMR: Your quotes discussed difficulty, not depth or complexity. There is a difference.

The__Havoc: There is no depth or complexity in Wii Sports Resort. It's challenging, but that doesn't make it deep or complex.

Smart decisions can't be made without first making judgements. Judgement is an extremely important skill for human survival. Those with poor judgement do not always make it out alive.

Wii Sports Resort is a good game. In other words, a 7. But just because it doesn't do anything wrong doesn't mean it deserves an 8. An 8 requires that a game provides something more. Something with Wii Sports Resort does not provide.

In other words, Wii Sports resort is a very basic game. It does what it does well and it's difficulty level is well honed. But that does not stop the game content from being very basic.

SMR: Your quotes discussed difficulty, not depth or complexity. There is a difference.

The__Havoc: There is no depth or complexity in Wii Sports Resort. It's challenging, but that doesn't make it deep or complex.

Smart decisions can't be made without first making judgements. Judgement is an extremely important skill for human survival. Those with poor judgement do not always make it out alive.

Wii Sports Resort is a good game. In other words, a 7. But just because it doesn't do anything wrong doesn't mean it deserves an 8. An 8 requires that a game provides something more. Something with Wii Sports Resort does not provide.

In other words, Wii Sports resort is a very basic game. It does what it does well and it's difficulty level is well honed. But that does not stop the game content from being very basic.

hakanakumono

Your opinion has already been proven wrong by the guy who reviewed the game man.

"but the one-to-one movement afforded by the Wii MotionPlus means there are several things to think about in every throw, such as the speed of your flick, the angle and timing of release, and any spin you may want to impart. Unless you're a serious Frisbee freak in the real world, it can be a decent challenge to throw straight consistently. These tight controls make even this basic minigame--throw Frisbee, make dog catch Frisbee--more challenging and fun than you might expect."

"MotionPlus allows for extremely precise targeting, making archery simple to perform but hard to master. Table tennis is another top performer, with the game accurately tracking every slight tilt and turn of your virtual racket. This makes it an extremely close re-creation of the real sport and one of the best competitive games"

"In golf, putting is a much more precise affair, while adding a draw or fade to shots is now something that can be realistically added to your arsenal. Adding spin when bowling has also been significantly improved--making a bowling ball curve left or right"

There is depth and skill invovled in playing the game and quite honestly I'll take someone who's played the games opinion over someone who hasn't

SMR: Your quotes discussed difficulty, not depth or complexity. There is a difference.

The__Havoc: There is no depth or complexity in Wii Sports Resort. It's challenging, but that doesn't make it deep or complex.

Smart decisions can't be made without first making judgements. Judgement is an extremely important skill for human survival. Those with poor judgement do not always make it out alive.

Wii Sports Resort is a good game. In other words, a 7. But just because it doesn't do anything wrong doesn't mean it deserves an 8. An 8 requires that a game provides something more. Something with Wii Sports Resort does not provide.

In other words, Wii Sports resort is a very basic game. It does what it does well and it's difficulty level is well honed. But that does not stop the game content from being very basic.

hakanakumono

and you know all of this from playing the game...............right?

Fail thread full of people who haven't even played the game is fail.

I have had Wii Sports Resort for about a month now. I have gotten more hours of single-player fun out of that game than out of Bioshock and Assassin's Creed combined.

Go figure.

That's difficulty, not depth. For example, just because you have to factor your speed into timing your jumps in a platformer does not make it deep.

The article is simply saying that there are a variety of factors going into the programming of Wii Sports Resort that make it a game that requires skill. In other words, its not just waggle.

That's difficulty, not depth. For example, just because you have to factor your speed into timing your jumps in a platformer does not make it deep.

The article is simply saying that there are a variety of factors going into the programming of Wii Sports Resort that make it a game that requires skill. In other words, its not just waggle.

hakanakumono

Listen I'm not exactly interested in your opinions. I'd much prefer that you actually base it with some facts.

The review states:"There are several things to think about in every throw, such as the speed of your flick, the angle and timing of release, and any spin you may want to impart."

This right here inquires depth of skill and depth of playing the game. What you are ecompassing is that a game such as Madden wouldn't even have depth in playing it. And lets be serious that's just plain wrong.

bottom line - if a game is enjoyable........does what it is set out to do, and does a GREAT job at it....and can provide many hours of fun, i see no reason why it shouldn't get an eight

according to the majority of review sites out there, wii sports does just that

i see no reason to object to these reviews unless i've actually....you, know.......tried PLAYING the game myself

[QUOTE="magiciandude"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Because it doesn't deserve to be placed on the pedestal next to other AA games. It really can't compare to them.

Do you think that it compares to them? I mean, really?

Can we please move past calling it a tech demo. A tech demo would not be getting the scores Wii Resort has been given. HarlockJC

There is no depth or complexity in Wii Sports Resort. It's challenging, but that doesn't make it deep or complex.Wii Sports Resort is a good game. In other words, a 7. But just because it doesn't do anything wrong doesn't mean it deserves an 8.

An 8 requires that a game provides something more. Something with Wii Sports Resort does not provide.

In other words, Wii Sports resort is a very basic game. It does what it does well and it's difficulty level is well honed. But that does not stop the game content from being very basic.

hakanakumono

And since when is "complexity" and "depth" a metric value that determines the quality of anything?

Snap the hell out of your fantasy world, you remind me of Dungeons and Dragons basement dwellers that laugh at others for playing something that doesnt require a masters degree and very little love for normal life.

Something is good when it does what it was meant to do well, PERIOD. It shouldnt stop at 7 just because you made up some standards that require arbitrary levels of complexity and "deepness" to be achieved.

And since when is "complexity" and "depth" a metric value that determines the quality of anything?

Thunderdrone

Um, look at Halo Wars -- very simplistic, yet a blast to play... and that got a 6.5. :|

Um, look at Halo Wars -- very simplistic, yet a blast to play... and that got a 6.5. :| Stevo_the_gamer

And was it because of its simplistic nature? Or did it simply fail to be engaging for a number of other reasons?

The same basic concept can end up being fantastic or completely boring because complexity does NOT determine quality, its the hole package; level design, balance, polish, presentation, blá blá blá...

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

There is no depth or complexity in Wii Sports Resort. It's challenging, but that doesn't make it deep or complex.Wii Sports Resort is a good game. In other words, a 7. But just because it doesn't do anything wrong doesn't mean it deserves an 8.

An 8 requires that a game provides something more. Something with Wii Sports Resort does not provide.

In other words, Wii Sports resort is a very basic game. It does what it does well and it's difficulty level is well honed. But that does not stop the game content from being very basic.

Thunderdrone

And since when is "complexity" and "depth" a metric value that determines the quality of anything?

Snap the hell out of your fantasy world, you remind me of Dungeons and Dragons basement dwellers that laugh at others for playing something that doesnt require a masters degree and very little love for normal life.

Something is good when it does what it was meant to do well, PERIOD. It shouldnt stop at 7 just because you made up some standards that require arbitrary levels of complexity and "deepness" to be achieved.

Don't confuse complexity and depth with quality. But don't underestimate their importance either.

"Arbitrary?" If so then reviews are arbitrary.

If a game is going to be scored 8 or above it needs to go beyond "basic." This can only be achieved through complexity and depth. It is not the 80s anymore and the bar has been set higher for what "great" and "amazing" games deliver. To deliver a game along the same level as the higher scoring games, there needs to be at least some element of depth and/or complexity. It doesn't have to necessarily be a "deep" or "complex" game, but Wii Sports Resort is just so basic that the score "8" is an absolute joke.

Don't confuse complexity and depth with quality. But don't underestimate their importance either.

"Arbitrary?" If so then reviews are arbitrary.

If a game is going to be scored 8 or above it needs to go beyond "basic." This can only be achieved through complexity and depth. It is not the 80s anymore and the bar has been set higher for what "great" and "amazing" games deliver. To deliver a game along the same level as the higher scoring games, there needs to be at least some element of depth and/or complexity. It doesn't have to necessarily be a "deep" or "complex" game, but Wii Sports Resort is just so basic that the score "8" is an absolute joke.

hakanakumono

But you choose to shine a very poor light on the word "basic" and you are somehow extending that lable over the entire game.

WSR's control scheme IS basic. but is the overall package a shallow and bare-bones social experience? Would you classify tennis as a basic and simplistic sport? I mean, its two raquets and a green ball. Pretty basic stuff, but its complexity is completely ramped up when human interaction is factored in.

And being Motion Plus the closest thing we have to real life 1:1 movement influencing your digital performance, WSR's complexety is automatically linked to the complex nature of the human beings motor skills (no, not the same as pressing buttons to trigger certain animations) and its ability to develop strategies to adapt diferent situations .

Im almost positive 85% of SW just got owned.

-Oath

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

OMG! now you're just being difficult. There's 20 Zelda games. Zelda Wii may not come till next year and I dunno when Spirit Tracks is due out. But They're both announced and will release.

or take those 2 games off the list for now and I'm still right as I had originally said there's ALMOST 20 games. so stfu already.

The__Havoc

If you haven't figured out that the point of my posts was to stop making blanket statements and actually make statistisically correct ones rather then pull randoms numbers out then I don't know what to tell you. You can't count games that aren't released and hell if you know by the time these games come out that there won't be more Zelda's announced.

No you're not right. You did not say, "Almost 20 games" you said "Nearly." You can keep your insults as I don't want them thank you.

And the original poster was OBVIOUSLY exagerating. You don't need to get all worked up over somebody that's just trying to make a point. After which I backed his point up with a little fact.

And why not count games that aren't released when simply compiling a list of Zelda games. They have both been officially announced and will hit the shelves. Therefore they're Zelda games. But if it matters THAT much to you I wont include them till next year...Cause the difference that makes could start a chain reaction that may bring about the end of the world as we know it:shock:

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]Four divided by two is not three.

RuprechtMonkey

Just your opinion!

I hope your joking :P

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Don't confuse complexity and depth with quality. But don't underestimate their importance either.

"Arbitrary?" If so then reviews are arbitrary.

If a game is going to be scored 8 or above it needs to go beyond "basic." This can only be achieved through complexity and depth. It is not the 80s anymore and the bar has been set higher for what "great" and "amazing" games deliver. To deliver a game along the same level as the higher scoring games, there needs to be at least some element of depth and/or complexity. It doesn't have to necessarily be a "deep" or "complex" game, but Wii Sports Resort is just so basic that the score "8" is an absolute joke.

Thunderdrone

But you choose to shine a very poor light on the word "basic" and you are somehow extending that lable over the entire game.

WSR's control scheme IS basic. but is the overall package a shallow and bare-bones social experience? Would you classify tennis as a basic and simplistic sport? I mean, its two raquets and a green ball. Pretty basic stuff, but its complexity is completely ramped up when human interaction is factored in.

And being Motion Plus the closest thing we have to real life 1:1 movement influencing your digital performance, WSR's complexety is automatically linked to the complex nature of the human beings motor skills (no, not the same as pressing buttons to trigger certain animations) and its ability to develop strategies to adapt diferent situations .

If the game is sooo complex and deep.

then why did GS give it the award for being shallow. And the review even states a lot of the games just have you goin through the same motions repeatedly. trying to argue there's depth in Wii Sports is a losing fight. enygma500

Where the hell did i say its complex and deep? If you're jumping in a conversation atleast read where both parts are coming from.

I'l summarize it for you:

It doesnt have to be complex or deep (two completely vague terms) to deserve more than a 7 score. And gameplay-wise, some of the activities are as complex as your motor skills allow them to be.

OMG! now you're just being difficult. There's 20 Zelda games. Zelda Wii may not come till next year and I dunno when Spirit Tracks is due out. But They're both announced and will release.

or take those 2 games off the list for now and I'm still right as I had originally said there's ALMOST 20 games.so stfu already.enygma500

Ummm, When did I ever insult you? And you're seriously going to get upset over me saying almost instead of nearly? Fact is there's 18 Zelda games with 2 in the works.

And the original poster was OBVIOUSLY exagerating. You don't need to get all worked up over somebody that's just trying to make a point. After which I backed his point up with a little fact.

And why not count games that aren't released when simply compiling a list of Zelda games. They have both been officially announced and will hit the shelves. Therefore they're Zelda games. But if it matters THAT much to you I wont include them till next year...Cause the difference that makes could start a chain reaction that may bring about the end of the world as we know it:shock:

enygma500

Believe me nobody I am not the one getting worked up over here as I am not telling anyone to be quiet. You did not back his point up with a at all. Fact there's 18 Zelda games with 2 in the works? Man I really wish you would get your information correct. You are wrong. 13 games out, 2 games coming, and 8 spinoffs. In way does that factually equal 20 anyway you cut it even if you remove spinoffs. Moral of the story is you don't make guesses and call them fact. Which is exactly what both of you did. You're statement was not a fact as I have proven.

WSR is awesome

This image is SO appropriate. LOL at all the people passing judgement over games they've never played and have no intention of trying it anyway.

My preordered copy arrived this morning and it's SO FUN. Hate all you want, i'll just laugh, and then go play some more. :lol:

I'm still not buying it. I don't play games to do stuff that I can just go outside and do.Superzone

Oh okay, if you say so. :roll:

hakanakumono

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

OMG! now you're just being difficult. There's 20 Zelda games. Zelda Wii may not come till next year and I dunno when Spirit Tracks is due out. But They're both announced and will release.

or take those 2 games off the list for now and I'm still right as I had originally said there's ALMOST 20 games. so stfu already.

If you haven't figured out that the point of my posts was to stop making blanket statements and actually make statistisically correct ones rather then pull randoms numbers out then I don't know what to tell you. You can't count games that aren't released and hell if you know by the time these games come out that there won't be more Zelda's announced.

No you're not right. You did not say, "Almost 20 games" you said "Nearly." You can keep your insults as I don't want them thank you.

And the original poster was OBVIOUSLY exagerating. You don't need to get all worked up aftwhich I backed his point up with a little fact.

And why not count games that aren't released when simply compiling a list of Zelda games. They have both been officially announced and will hit the shelves. Therefore they're Zelda games. But if it matters THAT much to you I wont include them till next year...Cause the difference that makes could start a chain reaction that may bring about the end of the world as we know it:shock:

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

And the Lack of single player replayability, good graphics(they suck even for the Wii), good sounds. The review even says the game is shallow and repetitive(look under "the bad"). That has NOTHING to do with the AA status at all:roll:

enygma500

you are magnifying every bad thing he said and ignoring the good things

it seems like you have something against WSR getting good ratings... especially considering you havent even played it :|

also, his review is about the average: 82 metacritic score

Well I can't play the game till it's out on Sunday. And everything that's bad seems to be everything about the game but the controls and a few of the mini games included.

I've NEVER bashed any Wii game for getting a good score. It's just My opinion that the review doesn't match the score. I'll review ti myself on sunday when I get it...Or I may just save my money for FULL games this September/October. I can pay $60 each for about 7 games in those 2 months I like, or $60 for a collection of minigames...Most of which are appearently shallow and simply have you going through the same boring motions over and over again.

MUA2, UC2, Borderlands, Demons Souls and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 plus a few others are FAR more interesting looking.

what review are you reading?

here is a direct quote from the review:

"and while not all of the activities on offer have lasting appeal (or even short-term buzz), the majority are good fun, particularly when played in groups"

"But with such a variety of other good activities available, you're actually spoiled by all of the choices in Wii Sports Resort. This significantly improves the game's longevity as a multiplayer game because the choices available to you make it so that--unlike in Wii Sports--you won't ever have to play the same one or two good games ad nauseam"

you say you dont bash any wii games, but its really hard to believe you when you come off so biased

I just discovered the stamps. I had played the japanese version for over 10 hours not knowing what the stamps were - but now that I know, the game has instantly gotten even more awesome. I complained about the lack of content in archery mode - but finding and hitting the secret targets, thats where the game begins.

There are 15 stamps for the swordplay modes I haven't checked yet. Can't wait to see what else there is to do.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Um, look at Halo Wars -- very simplistic, yet a blast to play... and that got a 6.5. :| Thunderdrone

And was it because of its simplistic nature? Or did it simply fail to be engaging for a number of other reasons?

The same basic concept can end up being fantastic or completely boring because complexity does NOT determine quality, its the hole package; level design, balance, polish, presentation, blá blá blá...