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Blitz Games Studios design director John Nashbelievesthat too many people are spending too much time looking at Wii U specifications rather than the games and the entertainment the system will offer consumers once its released this holiday season.

I agree with this guy.People should focus on the entertainment value of a product instead of focusing with hardware capabilities because you can't play graphics.I know better hardware can produce somewhat better gameplay experiences at times,but I care little about graphics, but how the hardware can produce games I would like to play.

http://mynintendonews.com/2012/09/01/developer-says-wii-u-isnt-about-power-but-about-the-experiences-it-offers/

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So what will they offer against the PC on launch :twisted:

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#3 Ragnarok1051
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Its the Wii all over again.

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Its the Wii all over again.

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Not in terms of hardware capabilities unless the 720 and PS4 are like 15X to 20X more powerful then the WiiU which won't happen this gen.

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Bad excuses, all of them
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Translation- 7th gen hardware.

Only to be fair about it, perhaps sheep will get some worthwhile games. It's too bad Nintendo's philosophy of cutting edge gaming includes gimmick devices.

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Translation- 7th gen hardware.

Only to be fair about it, perhaps sheep will get some worthwhile games. It's too bad Nintendo's philosophy of cutting edge gaming includes gimmick devices.

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Blah blah blah, I'm a butthurt troll insecure about a faceless corporation.
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Bad excuses, all of themcharizard1605
Still mad, Chaz?
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Should have been "The WiiU is not about graphics, but gimmicks." Let's be honest, Nintendo is the all reigning king of gimmicks.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Bad excuses, all of themDarkLink77
Still mad, Chaz?

Mad at Nintendo consoles being essentially the Macs of the gaming world? Yes, kinda.
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Translation- 7th gen hardware.

Only to be fair about it, perhaps sheep will get some worthwhile games. It's too bad Nintendo's philosophy of cutting edge gaming includes gimmick devices.

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how did I know you would be spouting some random anti-nintendo BS when I saw your name as last poster. you're a broken record. :lol:

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]Bad excuses, all of themcharizard1605
Still mad, Chaz?

Mad at Nintendo consoles being essentially the Macs of the gaming world? Yes, kinda.

They've never claimed or tried to be anything else, you know.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Still mad, Chaz?

Mad at Nintendo consoles being essentially the Macs of the gaming world? Yes, kinda.

They've never claimed or tried to be anything else, you know.

To be fair: They did not claim that with the Wii. I was displeased with the Wii, but I won't hold that against them. When the Wii U was announced originally though, they did promise a return to form, so to speak. What we ultimately got was not that, so it does amount to misleading, if only by implication.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]Bad excuses, all of themcharizard1605
Still mad, Chaz?

Mad at Nintendo consoles being essentially the Macs of the gaming world? Yes, kinda.

and just like with mac's there will always be M$ tagging along trying to copy them :lol: and lets not even get started on sony :roll:

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Mad at Nintendo consoles being essentially the Macs of the gaming world? Yes, kinda.

They've never claimed or tried to be anything else, you know.

To be fair: They did not claim that with the Wii. I was displeased with the Wii, but I won't hold that against them. When the Wii U was announced originally though, they did promise a return to form, so to speak. What we ultimately got was not that, so it does amount to misleading, if only by implication.

Nintendo consoles have never been anything else. If you're talking specs, that really doesn't matter anymore. Beyond that, nothing has changed.
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and just like with mac's there will always be M$ tagging along trying to copy them :lol: and lets not even get started on sony :roll:

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Oh, don't get me started on the Mac vs PC debate. I am typing this on my brand new Mac, but God damn it, I am a PC :P [QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Nintendo consoles have never been anything else. If you're talking specs, that really doesn't matter anymore. Beyond that, nothing has changed.

Slightly untrue. The NES and SNES were viable primary consoles. The Gamecube was viable as far as third party multiplats and exclusives went. The N64 was awful, and the Wii was a desert with no oases. The Wii U looks to be somewhere above the Wii and N64, but not even up to the standard of the Gamecube.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Nintendo consoles have never been anything else. If you're talking specs, that really doesn't matter anymore. Beyond that, nothing has changed.

Slightly untrue. The NES and SNES were viable primary consoles. The Gamecube was viable as far as third party multiplats and exclusives went. The N64 was awful, and the Wii was a desert with no oases. The Wii U looks to be somewhere above the Wii and N64, but not even up to the standard of the Gamecube.

That's because the Gamecube was an incredible console. The N64 and the Wii were, too, in their own ways.
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so... underwhelming graphics it is then.

Seriously, every time Nintendo or someone comes out and says something like this about the Wii U ... it's like being told a girl has a nice personality. You're basically being preconditioned not to expect much of a looker.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] That's because the Gamecube was an incredible console. The N64 and the Wii were, too, in their own ways.

Yes it was. It was Nintendo at its second best. Because Nintendo at its best was the N64. An entire console that was carried entirely by its exclusives, all first party exclusives, and what exclusives they were. That was an incredible system. The Wii? Nope. There was no proper third party support, and the first party games were hit and miss, more miss than hit.
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All legit quality games are about experiences, not graphics...not just the Wii U. Also, Graphics are apart of the experience. Just as in game Physics. There is more to games than graphics, but graphics are important as well. It's easy to say Gameplay Forever!!!!, but Graphics are a huge part of the immersion. Why separate them? Why can't we have both? We can, the only reason to separate them is if you make a product that can't deliver expectations and people notice, then you try to shift discussion to Gameplay vs. Graphics instead of Gameplay and Graphics.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Its the Wii all over again.

super600

Not in terms of hardware capabilities unless the 720 and PS4 are like 15X to 20X more powerful then the WiiU which won't happen this gen.

Two questions as you speak using phrases like "15x", "20x", "10x", "less powerful" and "more powerful", in other threads including this one.

1.) How much more powerful is the Wii over the Xbox, or GC, or PS2? I'm just curious what number you have? 2X? 4X? 1.5X? 20X?

2.) How much more powerful is the PS360 over the Wii in your estimation?

I can't promise an epiphany as you type the answers, but I hope one comes along. :P

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] That's because the Gamecube was an incredible console. The N64 and the Wii were, too, in their own ways.

Yes it was. It was Nintendo at its second best. Because Nintendo at its best was the N64. An entire console that was carried entirely by its exclusives, all first party exclusives, and what exclusives they were. That was an incredible system. The Wii? Nope. There was no proper third party support, and the first party games were hit and miss, more miss than hit.

Um... what? There are a ton of great first party games on the Wii.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] That's because the Gamecube was an incredible console. The N64 and the Wii were, too, in their own ways.

Yes it was. It was Nintendo at its second best. Because Nintendo at its best was the N64. An entire console that was carried entirely by its exclusives, all first party exclusives, and what exclusives they were. That was an incredible system. The Wii? Nope. There was no proper third party support, and the first party games were hit and miss, more miss than hit.

Um... what? There are a ton of great first party games on the Wii.

Let's see. We have the Mario trifecta (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros.). That's three. We have The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, which is a Gamecube game, but let's just accept it as a Wii game. That's four. We have Donkey Kong Country Returns. That's five. We have Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Nope brah, six games isn't a ton.
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#24 campzor
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bla bla bla, here is the wii HD.
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#26 Gue1
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everybody says things about the Wii U that are contradictory. The Wii U is power, not it's weak, no it's about teh experience!

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Yes it was. It was Nintendo at its second best. Because Nintendo at its best was the N64. An entire console that was carried entirely by its exclusives, all first party exclusives, and what exclusives they were. That was an incredible system. The Wii? Nope. There was no proper third party support, and the first party games were hit and miss, more miss than hit.charizard1605
Um... what? There are a ton of great first party games on the Wii.

Let's see. We have the Mario trifecta (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros.). That's three. We have The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, which is a Gamecube game, but let's just accept it as a Wii game. That's four. We have Donkey Kong Country Returns. That's five. We have Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Nope brah, six games isn't a ton.

The Last Story. Xenoblade. Kirby's Epic Yarn. Metroid Prime 3 Super Paper Mario Punch Out! Metroid: Other M (fvck the people who are all "IT RUINED SAMUS' CHARACTER WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!" She didn't have a **** personality before) And then we get into the third party games. You buggin, son.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Yes it was. It was Nintendo at its second best. Because Nintendo at its best was the N64. An entire console that was carried entirely by its exclusives, all first party exclusives, and what exclusives they were. That was an incredible system. The Wii? Nope. There was no proper third party support, and the first party games were hit and miss, more miss than hit.charizard1605
Um... what? There are a ton of great first party games on the Wii.

Let's see. We have the Mario trifecta (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros.). That's three. We have The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, which is a Gamecube game, but let's just accept it as a Wii game. That's four. We have Donkey Kong Country Returns. That's five. We have Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Nope brah, six games isn't a ton.

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[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Its the Wii all over again.

SolidTy

Not in terms of hardware capabilities unless the 720 and PS4 are like 15X to 20X more powerful then the WiiU which won't happen this gen.

Two questions as you speak using phrases like "15x", "20x", "10x", "less powerful" and "more powerful", in other threads including this one.

1.) How much more powerful is the Wii over the Xbox, or GC, or PS2? I'm just curious what number you have? 2X? 4X? 1.5X? 20X?

2.) How much more powerful is the PS360 over the Wii in your estimation?

I can't promise an epiphany as you type the answers, but I hope one comes along. :P

The Wii probably is at least 1 to 1.5X as powerful as the GC, but I'm not sure about the Xbox since their fairly close to each other in tech specs.The Wii is about as powerful as the xbox maybe slightly more so it would be at least 3X more powerful then the PS2.The PS3/360 pretty much obliterate the Wii so most likely anywere from 15X-20X more powerful.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Um... what? There are a ton of great first party games on the Wii.DarkLink77

Let's see. We have the Mario trifecta (Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros.). That's three. We have The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, which is a Gamecube game, but let's just accept it as a Wii game. That's four. We have Donkey Kong Country Returns. That's five. We have Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Nope brah, six games isn't a ton.

The Last Story. Xenoblade. Kirby's Epic Yarn. Metroid Prime 3 Super Paper Mario Punch Out! Metroid: Other M (fvck the people who are all "IT RUINED SAMUS' CHARACTER WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!" She didn't have a **** personality before) And then we get into the third party games. You buggin, son.

other M was terrible .....

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Sounds like they are making excuses to cover their asses.
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Menus and mini-maps now on your controller... teh experience.

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So what will they offer against the PC on launch :twisted:

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Doesn't matter.
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#34 ShadowDeathX
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This is good news. This is exactly what I want. I don't want another dumbed-down PC for a console. New experience. Yes Please :)
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#35 campzor
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only experience nintendo is bringing to the wii u...is the ds/3ds experience
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#36 GD1551
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A bunch of excuses and as we all thought the Wii U is not much more powerful than the current generation:|

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-30-how-powerful-is-the-wii-u-really

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The Last Story. Xenoblade. Kirby's Epic Yarn. Metroid Prime 3 Super Paper Mario Punch Out! Metroid: Other M (fvck the people who are all "IT RUINED SAMUS' CHARACTER WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!" She didn't have a **** personality before) And then we get into the third party games. You buggin, son.

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I concede The Last Story and Xenoblade, I forgot about them. The others? They range from being atrociously bad to inoffensively good

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Lolno, the Wii Paper Mario and Metroid Prime sucked so much
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]Bad excuses, all of themcharizard1605
Still mad, Chaz?

Mad at Nintendo consoles being essentially the Macs of the gaming world? Yes, kinda.

wtf are you talking about, they come out cheaper and tend to have a lot of unique software, mac's on the other hand are Expensive PC's that aren't as powerful and theres some serious limitations on software availability...
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...and if those are similar "experiences" that I found on the Wii, then a huge pass from me.
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#40 Fizzman
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Wii U is about another garbage gimmick and hoping casuals eat it up.

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This is good news. This is exactly what I want. I don't want another dumbed-down PC for a console. New experience. Yes Please :)ShadowDeathX
Not sure if serious. How are the ps360 dumb downed pc's and the wiiu not?

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The Last Story. Xenoblade. Kirby's Epic Yarn. Metroid Prime 3 Super Paper Mario Punch Out! Metroid: Other M (fvck the people who are all "IT RUINED SAMUS' CHARACTER WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!" She didn't have a **** personality before) And then we get into the third party games. You buggin, son.

charizard1605
I concede The Last Story and Xenoblade, I forgot about them. The others? They range from being atrociously bad to inoffensively good

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Lolno, the Wii Paper Mario and Metroid Prime sucked so much

Being worse than Metroid Prime and Prime 2 =/= bad, son. Same goes for Paper Mario.
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#43 PC_Otter
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LOL "Experiences"

I hate that word in describing games these days.

It's keynote and executive speech verbage.

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That's pretty much what every single game should strive to be, and should not be unique to Nintendo.

And it isn't.

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#45 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]This is good news. This is exactly what I want. I don't want another dumbed-down PC for a console. New experience. Yes Please :)Cranler

Not sure if serious. How are the ps360 dumb downed pc's and the wiiu not?

Because 90% of the games on PS3 and Xbox 360 are on PC as well, and better on PC. There are very few games that the Wii and PC share, so one doesn't replace another directly. Since the Wii U is not oh so powerful, the same thing will happen between the Wii U and PC.
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#46 El_Garbanzo
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Folks look at the specs so they can be sure that theyre not buying a pos, people look at phone specs pre purchase to make sure it's not a pos phone, same with pc's, tablets etc. Why should this console be any different? Yes some soccermoms and dumb fatties will buy it without thinking it through because it has a "tablet". It's a shame nintendo wont give you both graphics and experience, but choose to cash in by cheaping out and selling "experiences"

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#47 Bardock47
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Isn't obvoius its gonna be the Wii of next gen, at least its setup to be.

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#48 silversix_
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Experience like the Wii? What a sh!tty experience. He pretty much tells us the system is weak and outdated by years... he wants us to look at games but what games? 360 ports? Every person spending money on a new system on which he'll be playing years should care what it has inside or else you would be buying a repacked GC every 5 years from Nintendo.
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#49 super600  Moderator
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Experience like the Wii? What a sh!tty experience. He pretty much tells us the system is weak and outdated by years... he wants us to look at games but what games? 360 ports? Every person spending money on a new system on which he'll be playing years should care what it has inside or else you would be buying a repacked GC every 5 years from Nintendo.silversix_

No one wants a console acting like a PC in hardware with nothing to differentiate itself.If you were buying a gaming PC you should care about what inside a console.

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#50 silversix_
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[QUOTE="silversix_"]Experience like the Wii? What a sh!tty experience. He pretty much tells us the system is weak and outdated by years... he wants us to look at games but what games? 360 ports? Every person spending money on a new system on which he'll be playing years should care what it has inside or else you would be buying a repacked GC every 5 years from Nintendo.super600

No one wants a console acting like a PC in hardware with nothing to differentiate itself.If you were buying a gaming PC you should care about what inside a console.

I have a gaming pc and i care what's inside. As i said, i'm not spending money on a copy/pasted system like GC--->Wii and and WiiU--->360. Like the Wii is hyped for a controller, a freaking controller lol how pathetic is that? Can't wait to buy a WiiU for its amazing controller and play ps360 ports for 1-2 years (until ps4/720) and then what? One or two good exclusives per year *cough* Wii 2.0 *cough*