Will UC4 graphics surpass Rise of Tomb Raider? (new images!)

Okay, so what is the point of all this and what do you get out of repeating the same thing over and over again.

@zeeshanhaider: Well for starters, being built with next generation consoles and PC as the base. Something that ROTR can't claim and some thing that is immediately apparent in the low geometry assets in ROTR. ROTR was built to also run on the 360 and it shows. UC4 easily outclasses it visually.

Sure, UC4 will probably have better IQ with more NPC's onscreen than XB1 RotTR, but the art assets themselves will probably be on par, it's not like UC4 will look a gen ahead (or even a half gen). The same way the PS4 version of RotTR will just slightly outmatch the XB1 version. The PC version maxed out will of course look best.

@quadknight: RotTR on XB1 has vastly better geometry, textures and materials than the 360 version. I haven't seen one review of RotTR where there was any mention of "low geometry assets" on the XB1. The game is a stunner.

Eh....when did I ever do that? I was the one always calling cows out on it. May be you didn't read the original post with the pics that I posted in reference to your dear fellow ' face close ups shots. Read again.

@zeeshanhaider said:

@casharmy said:

Hmm, unless, "surpass" is only talking about in resolution and framerate then there is no way UC4 can't surpass it. It's a silly comparison considering this is a cross gen title compared to a current gen one but looking at some of the comments it's typical system wars some people took this seriously.

A few things, simply increasing resolution and frame rate do not make graphics surpass that of another game, if that was the case pong at 4K running 10,000fps would have better graphics than all games ever. Second, is that picture supposed to be impressive? It's a cross gen 360 game and it shows. Nothing in that picture is more impressive than games already out now other than maybe resolution, current gen xbox one games like Quantum Break destroys it.

Can't believe anyone actually bit on this because it shows a lot of desperation and or bias to think Rise of the Tomb raider is even on the same level as UC4.

Here is Horizon Zero Dawn, an open world PS4 exclusive with a female lead to have fun with comparing to Tomb Raider since people are so obsessed with trying to out do Uncharted.

A better comparison and even with Horizon being open world game imo

This is Rise of the Tomb Raider on PC at 4k

And this is Uncharted 4

Right click to view both at full resolution.

Any questions

Chuckles...the old cow tactic, if you can't beat it then pretend it doesn't count.

Ah well, since evidently as per cows graphics aren't just made of resolution and framerate it's really lol worthy that only thing they always show as proof for the supposed Sony's superior graphics is the cutscene close up shot of main character, always. Funny they never once show any gameplay and here I thought graphics aren't just comprises of one or two things. No wonder even Sony knows their fanbase's inferiority complex and for the same reason now ship games with photomode (lol) and every two seconds have cutscene with camera focussing on the main character's face as that's the only thing that remotely looks good and the step up from last generation.

Oh, and while we are fighting the battle of cutscene face closeup shots (lol):

Oh and what would you have me do next? Sony admitting that they mislead press with bullshit videos in case of the Last Guardian or Naughty Dud's downgrade examples? Not that plenty of these haven't being shared before.

Rubbing it in all you cows faces that calls every dev other than Sony's amateur and lazy that how lazy and incompetent Naughty Duds are in reality.

So, in essence nothing really just an arbitrary term made by consolites specifically cows to dismiss games, GOTCHA.

Why the **** are we comparing a console game in 1080p to a PC game maxed out in 4k?

And what the hell is the percentage of PC gamers who have a rig capable of maxing out this game in 4k?

Somewhere around 0.01%??

I think UC4 is going to end up being "prettier" however it's going to be does it play better, haven't played RotTR yet, but the 2013 TR was more fun to play than the other Uncharted by in large.

@zeeshanhaider: I'm not a consolite, I game on everything. The game looks inferior to UC4 and that's pretty much a fact. Running the game at 4K doesn't improve the graphics otherwise games like Half Life 2 running at 8K would be graphics kings. Its low geometry assets are extremely visible and impossible to cover up with high resolution textures and high fps. Is the game good looking? Yea it is but it's still being held back by being on the 360. Uncharted 4 has the benefit of being free of lastgen shackles and it looks better period. You need to get over your obsession with cows and learn to judge graphics without being deluded by your fanboy bias.

In this post you just quoted yourself doing that lol. Your also using the posted cut-scenes promotional pictures arent you? Look most of UC4 cut scenes shots posted here come from there many already shown demos. There not hard to find. Youtube may not be direct feed but you can get an idea there. Some shots you will notice that there skin tone appear rubber looking like Lara there while other appear a bit crispy like Ellena there. I'm just gonna throw this out there if your observant of technology. You might guess, hey that look like a subsurface scattering effect they are using. To reply to one of your other post this doesn't seem like Naught y Duds and Cows tricking you for 2 seconds lol. just a dynamic tech weather we like it or not to show how light blends with skin tone. Seriously we cant agree to disagree that cut-scenes look impressive? maybe not as good as Tomb Raider PC.

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-pc-tech-features-trailer/2300-6429180/

So it's just resolution and frame bump? May want to change your mind on that.

Yeah, but then it's not Half-Life 2 in 8K. It's Tomb Raider on PC with next gen effects like HBAO+, tessellation, dynamic foliage, soft shadows, higher DD and more dynamic lights, as well as pure hair from the top of my head. You going as far as back to quote Half-Life 2 for your examples puts hole in your argument. Could this game be much more if it could only be made for current gen consoles...ah may be....but it's not Witcher 3 it's an onrails game like UC4. Having high poly character models that barely look better than Lara in cutscenes is hardly calls for an overall better graphics, sorry. UC4 isn't doing anything that Crysis 2 didn't do in 2011 already. You need to get over your arbitary 'current-gen' label.

Oh and for geometry I just read DF taking about excessive usage of tessellation on the PC for that, so there goes your excuse for poly count. Sorry, the game on PC will shit on UC4 and there's no need for the uber 4K/60FPS to do that.

If that were the case as you guys making out to be DF would have never said that:

All of which begs the question: could these new consoles run Crysis 3? Ryse delivers the full suite of CryEngine features with excellent image quality and it's still just a launch title. Given the experience of working on such a product, we have little doubt that Crytek could produce a Crysis Trilogyof sorts for next-generation consoles with few compromises.

To you. IMO, Uncharted 2 and 3 was more fun to me.

There's something called 'context'. I was replying in reference to him and specifically used the phrase before posting the shots: 'Since we are comparing cutscenes closeups'. But hey you already knew that you were just trying to appear as being naive and trying to get some base for your argument.

Oh, and I do know what SSS is, being seeing in games long before Naughty Duds were learning about it from more experienced PC devs and at that time lying about how PS3 was limitless in power. And what made you think, RottR won't have SSS?

Oh and it is indeed Naughty Duds feel like trying to look like 'Hey, look how good the games graphics are. Look at Drake's face.' They kept doing the closeups and it's becoming apparent that they are desperate to pull an illusion that the entire game has the best graphics in town while in truth the only thing it has going for it is the character model and animations and that's where it ends. UC4 looks great, stunning for a console game but it's no match for PC's best.

@casharmy: RYSE shit on both

How will a bump in resolution and draw distance mean TR on PC will be better graphics than Uncharted 4?

@miiiiv said:

@ronvalencia said:

Careful, mid-range 7850 slightly beats Fermi GTX 480 and mid-range Kelper 660/660 Ti. The old 6970 is still holding it's own.

PS4's GPU is slightly above 7850.

Your are using a benchmark in which the HD7870 beats the GTX680. FFS! even the older HD6970 beats the GTX680 and the GTX Titan in min frame rate.

Recent Fallout 4 patch version 1.3 enabled HD 7870 to beat GTX 680. Notice HD 7850's results.

From http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/more-evidence-shows-nvidia-gpus-losing-performance-32925136/

Fallout 4 is a NVIDIA Gameworks title. If AMD has access to NVIDIA's Gameworks source code, the results would be different.

AMD GCN's TFLOPS advantage is actually is being used with the recent Fallout 4 ver 1.3 patch i.e. there's a problem with feeding the beast.

Fermi's situation is worst than Kelper.

Note that PC's results are backed by powerful Intel CPUs which is a known weakness for PS4.

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X360: http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/7/9/4/2/3/9/360_008.bmp.jpg

XBO: http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/7/9/4/2/3/9/XO_008.bmp.jpg

There's are geometry difference between XBO and X360 e.g. compare the middle right side archway between XBO and X360.

Because that ain't the only differences and anything with substantial margin makes a difference or would you be happy if UC4 was top noth but was 360p?

Battlefield 9 will look better than Uncharted 4. just saying

BF4 and SW:BF already does.

@ronvalencia said:

@miiiiv said:

@ronvalencia said:

Careful, mid-range 7850 slightly beats Fermi GTX 480 and mid-range Kelper 660/660 Ti. The old 6970 is still holding it's own.

PS4's GPU is slightly above 7850.

Your are using a benchmark in which the HD7870 beats the GTX680. FFS! even the older HD6970 beats the GTX680 and the GTX Titan in min frame rate.

Recent Fallout 4 patch version 1.3 enabled HD 7870 to beat GTX 680. Notice HD 7850's results.

From http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/more-evidence-shows-nvidia-gpus-losing-performance-32925136/

Fallout 4 is a NVIDIA Gameworks title. If AMD has access to NVIDIA's Gameworks source code, the results would be different.

AMD GCN's TFLOPS advantage is actually is being used with the recent Fallout 4 ver 1.3 patch i.e. there's a problem with feeding the beast.

Fermi's situation is worst than Kelper.

Note that PC's results are backed by powerful Intel CPUs which is a known weakness for PS4.

Are you sure that those benchmarks just don't favour AMD cards? It seems a little odd seeing the HD7870 beating the GTX Titan. Even the newer GTX960 manages to outperform the GTX Titan, even though the GTX Titan is a faster card in compute performance. I know Nvidia deliberately held back compute performance on the kepler gpus but it still feels like those benchmarks heavily favour AMD and/or that older Nvidia cards are having driver issues.

@miiiiv said:

@ronvalencia said:

@miiiiv said:

@ronvalencia said:

Careful, mid-range 7850 slightly beats Fermi GTX 480 and mid-range Kelper 660/660 Ti. The old 6970 is still holding it's own.

PS4's GPU is slightly above 7850.

Your are using a benchmark in which the HD7870 beats the GTX680. FFS! even the older HD6970 beats the GTX680 and the GTX Titan in min frame rate.

Recent Fallout 4 patch version 1.3 enabled HD 7870 to beat GTX 680. Notice HD 7850's results.

From http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/more-evidence-shows-nvidia-gpus-losing-performance-32925136/

Fallout 4 is a NVIDIA Gameworks title. If AMD has access to NVIDIA's Gameworks source code, the results would be different.

AMD GCN's TFLOPS advantage is actually is being used with the recent Fallout 4 ver 1.3 patch i.e. there's a problem with feeding the beast.

Fermi's situation is worst than Kelper.

Note that PC's results are backed by powerful Intel CPUs which is a known weakness for PS4.

Are you sure that those benchmarks just don't favour AMD cards? It seems a little odd seeing the HD7870 beating the GTX Titan. Even the newer GTX960 manages to outperform the GTX Titan, even though the GTX Titan is a faster card in compute performance. I know Nvidia deliberately held back compute performance on the kepler gpus but it still feels like those benchmarks heavily favour AMD and/or that older Nvidia cards are having driver issues.

Fallout 4 is a NVIDIA Gameworks title. PC world has to factor NVIDIA's extreme self interest.

That may be but the benchmark results seem a bit skewed.

People will do well to remember that Naughty Dog is just no ordinary developer.

The same topic is made every year, and with every title Naughty Dog's games surpass the previous one in technical and image fidelity.

Rise of the Tomb Raider had to cut down corners severely to fit on Xbox 360's 500 MB Ram.

This won't be the case with Uncharted 4, built for the ground-up for PS4.

I saw that Uncharted 4 will feature dialogue options just like The Odor 1886. So within those scenes, it could very well look much better. But does it make the game better, well that's another story.

Please keep in mind that PS fanboys believed that previous Uncharted games, running on a PS3, had graphics superior to Crysis 3 on PC.

But it won't be 360p. Uncharted 4 hasn't got a last gen twin holding it's design back.

you can even notice the lack of proper shadows and ambient occlusion on that supposedly prerendered cutscenes lol.

@fantasygamer: Ryse is prerendered in cutscenes and still looks worse.

@zeeshanhaider: UC2 and TLoU wasn't downgraded. Not to mention you keep blabbering about 900p for the MP and when Comparing it to TR it still wins since its MP is at 0p.

If you actually played the games you could tell the difference between prerendered scenes and gameplay.

can they? can you?

case in point rise of the tomb raider, based on the pc version I conclude that for (at least to me) unknown reasons they are using both prerendered and real time rendered cutscenes... for examples, the very 1st cutscenes you see in the game is a prerendered one, the flashbacks to lara's dad are also prerendered ones... other cutscenes like the one when you saw ana for the 1st time are real time rendered, and both kind of cutscenes are virtually on the same level of graphical quality...

so how do I know them? because of pc gaming, I can see what's going on with my hardware thanks to hw monitoring osd, and besides thanks to my 21:9 display I can actually see that there is one thing that highlight the difference between the 2 kind of cutscenes, the prerendered ones are displayed with perfect 16:9 images, while the real time ones for unknown reasons are actually using 17:9 images; also not to mention that the prerendered ones are locked into 30 fps lol

my point is if you were seeing rottr from consoles only you probably would think that either all of them are prerendered cutscenes or all of them are real time rendered, you wouldn't know, gamers wouldn't know, that those cutscenes are actually different.... heck I suppose many less tech savvy/hardcore pc gamers wouldn't notice that, especially if they aren't using on screen hw monitoring.

@napo_sp: I actually haven't played Rise of the TR yet. But in the previous UC games you could see the difference between realtime and prerendered(the costume trick is always a dead ringer). But UC4,according to the devs doesn't use prerendered scenes.

I knew the very second I saw which were prerendered and which weren't.

Lol even Uncharted 2 HD has better visuals than Rise of Tomb Rider.

Can't wait to play UC4 and ROTTR on the PS4!

lol that scene is real time nice try though

from DF

Lool

Click on http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/more-evidence-shows-nvidia-gpus-losing-performance-32925136/ if you want to continue this discussion.

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It was used as an example just like cows love to bring pong in 8K as an example. 'Last gen/Cross gen' game is just an aribtary term invented by consolite especially cows to discredit PC games from 2010 and onwards that were already technically superior to current gen games. This generation of consoles haven't brought anything new to the table compared to previous generations that you can use the last gen card as an argument. It's an all around bogus argument and that becomes even more hilarious when you compare onrails QTE fest like RoTTR and UC4.

Every Naughty Dud title in the PS3 generation was downgraded compared to their pre release PR bullshit and the proof has been posted numerous times. Deal with it. Sony was fooling and lying left and right ever since the beginning of last generation after the disaster teh cell was and carrying over that lying to this generation too.

Your rebuttal as a Sony's ass kisser has no value since Sony's WW studios president is on record admitting how Sony deceives press with fake demo videos. I don't see any reason to trust anything from Sony.

Remain salty that 900pStation is weaksauce and Naughty Lying Duds are so pathetically lazy that their flagship title is 900p turd in 2016 and they couldn't even get the last gen TLOU to run at constant 60 on the 900pStation.

Oh and lastly the DF quote that makes you so butthurt:

All of which begs the question: could these new consoles run Crysis 3? Ryse delivers the full suite of CryEngine features with excellent image quality and it's still just a launch title. Given the experience of working on such a product, we have little doubt that Crytek could produce a Crysis Trilogyof sorts for next-generation consoles with few compromises.

Yeah right, that's why Naughty Duds couldn't get TLOU:R to run at constant 60, lel.

@zeeshanhaider: Except it wasn't proven... many of you idiots posted prerendered Scenes vs ingame cutscenes. Because you fail to actually play ANY of the games you post about your opinion holds no value. Meanwhile ND has arguably the best looking game coming out while crysuck has been stuck on making VR trash.

Also the SP is 1080p vs TR 0p MP lol.

@fantasygamer: And it still looks worse then UC4. This will be painfully obvious in a few months when you play it as opposed to looking at compressed screen grabs.

Whooooo, remain jelly that Naughty Duds couldn't get the last gen TLOU:R to run at constant 60 on 900pStation and after all the hype is busy making a 900p turd for 900pStation. Awwwwww yeah, the proven Naughty Lying Duds that have downgraded pretty much all their games. So much for to teh metal coding. lel.

Remain salty, that 900pStation forever try to catch a game from 2011 and it comprises of a cheap ass tablet CPU and GPU barely matching a 570 from 2010.

All of which begs the question: could these new consoles run Crysis 3? Ryse delivers the full suite of CryEngine features with excellent image quality and it's still just a launch title. Given the experience of working on such a product, we have little doubt that Crytek could produce a Crysis Trilogyof sorts for next-generation consoles with few compromises.

@zeeshanhaider: Yet you provide no proof just ramblings of a mad man.... you are an embarrassment. I have nothing to be salty about I will be playing one of the best action adventure games of the gen and you will continue to babble nonsense on a forum.

Oh yeah, burn...!!!

All of which begs the question: could these new consoles run Crysis 3? Ryse delivers the full suite of CryEngine features with excellent image quality and it's still just a launch title. Given the experience of working on such a product, we have little doubt that Crytek could produce a Crysis Trilogyof sorts for next-generation consoles with few compromises.

@zeeshanhaider: So sad grasping on an old article... from a source who has already admitted there are better looking games then Crysis 3 on consoles.

Awwwww yeah, Naughty Lying Duds have liar fanboys, burn:

All of which begs the question: could these new consoles run Crysis 3? Ryse delivers the full suite of CryEngine features with excellent image quality and it's still just a launch title. Given the experience of working on such a product, we have little doubt that Crytek could produce a Crysis Trilogyof sorts for next-generation consoles with few compromises.

Makes sense, since everyone knows that 900pStation is a potato made up of cheap ass tablet CPU and GPU that brealy matches a 570 from 2010 unable to run Metro 2033 without sacrifices.

lamo