Will you still pay for Xbox Live next gen?

Chances are there will be a 360 exclusive that warrants me wanting to play it on LIVE. So, yes, probably.

Puckhog04

"You don't have a PS3" I find this hilarious. All you have to do is look at my sig And what are you warbling on about? I didn't ask for a Sony ad, Again I HAVE a PS3. I asked you what functionality does Home offer for EVERY PS3 game? It seems like you don't have an answer for that. in fact, I know you don't.I can't believe you even brought Home up AT ALL. If you are going to put a function of the PSN against XBL's chat function you need to do a hellava lot better than a virtual dollhouse with video game themed spaces.heretrix

Default answer: depends

We just don't know enough yet. XBL went through a complete overhaul when the 360 launched. Will the next iteration undergo another big overhaul? Who knows? Then it also depends on what the competition offers.

i told you,you can even launch games from within home but some how that is not good enough in your view well tormentos

Why in the hell would I want to launch a game from Home when I can do it much faster without Home? That's not adding functionality, that's making a simple task unnecessarily cumbersome.

Do you even understand the question? Let me give you an example of added functionality:

I can in the middle of any game, contact someone on my friends list and arrange a multiplayer session without either of us quitting a game, even if we are playing completely different games. This function is also useful for playing multiple games on the PS3 as you can use XBL as communication while you are playing PS3 games if you own both systems.

THAT, my good man is added functionality.Home doesn't even compare to the 360's user in game soundtrack function, which is another thing that you don't get with all PS3 games.

Now as for the question if XBL is a ripoff or not, I really don't care enough to discuss it as I've already said my piece on it a thousand times here. I actually don't hate PSN (I do dislike Home immensly though) I just think Sony is doing a poor job of running it. But as a free service, I think it's ok. For me Cross game chat is one of my most used features on XBL and since nobody has anything on the consoles like it, I'll pay for it, no problem. I couldn't care less about who's better, PSN or XBL, I use both so I have no need to play favorites.

As long as my friends buy the next Xbox, yeh.AAllxxjjnn

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/31/unhappy-xbox-live-users-demand-compensation/

Live was down for 2 weeks people could basically not sign in, or were sign out rapidly after sing the network was mess, and this happen on the holiday season 2007 when Halo 3 and COD 4 MW1 were out allot of angry live users demanded compensation on the xbox forums,but mod would just close threads any thread that talked about it.

So basically not only MS also screwed up a pay service,but also silence those who complain about it. tormentos

Dude, this is just...LOL. Live was never down for two weeks. It only had minor problems that Microsoft needs fixing & it only happened during that christmas weekend.

Xbox Live wasn't down for everyone. Servers were overloaded which caused various errors for many people, but the service itself wasn't completely shut down. That's why some were affected more and even longer than others. The big difference between the two is Live needed upgraded due to increased usage while PSN allegedly has a security hole that needs fixed.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/31/unhappy-xbox-live-users-demand-compensation/

Live was down for 2 weeks people could basically not sign in, or were sign out rapidly after sing the network was mess, and this happen on the holiday season 2007 when Halo 3 and COD 4 MW1 were out allot of angry live users demanded compensation on the xbox forums,but mod would just close threads any thread that talked about it.

So basically not only MS also screwed up a pay service,but also silence those who complain about it.

Dude, shut up. Live was never down for two weeks. It only had minor problems that Microsoft needs fixing & it only happened during that christmas weekend.

Xbox Live wasn't down for everyone. Servers were overloaded which caused various errors for many people, but the service itself wasn't completely shut down. That's why some were affected more and even longer than others. The big difference between the two is Live needed upgraded due to increased usage while PSN allegedly has a security hole that needs fixed.

Will be interesting to see how next gen Kinect games will work with Live :P

I would have to buy the next Xbox to even consider paying for Live, M$ lack of enjoyable franchises is saving me a ton of money next gen :D

Yea probably. I just hope Microsoft gets some better exclusives.

Why in the hell would I want to launch a game from Home when I can do it much faster without Home? That's not adding functionality, that's making a simple task unnecessarily cumbersome. Do you even understand the question? Let me give you an example of added functionality I can in the middle of any game, contact someone on my friends list and arrange a multiplayer session without either of us quitting a game, even if we are playing completely different games. This function is also useful for playing multiple games on the PS3 as you can use XBL as communication while you are playing PS3 games if you own both systems.THAT, my good man is added functionality.Home doesn't even compare to the 360's user in game soundtrack function, which is another thing that you don't get with all PS3 games. Now as for the question if XBL is a ripoff or not, I really don't care enough to discuss it as I've already said my piece on it a thousand times here. I actually don't hate PSN I do dislike Home immensly though I just think Sony is doing a poor job of running it. But as a free service, I think it's ok. For me Cross game chat is one of my most used features on XBL and since nobody has anything on the consoles like it, I'll pay for it, no problem. I couldn't care less about who's better, PSN or XBL, I use both so I have no need to play favorites.heretrix

[QUOTE="tormentos"]http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/31/unhappy-xbox-live-users-demand-compensation/

Live was down for 2 weeks people could basically not sign in, or were sign out rapidly after sing the network was mess, and this happen on the holiday season 2007 when Halo 3 and COD 4 MW1 were out allot of angry live users demanded compensation on the xbox forums,but mod would just close threads any thread that talked about it.

So basically not only MS also screwed up a pay service,but also silence those who complain about it. garland51

Dude, this is just...LOL. Live was never down for two weeks. It only had minor problems that Microsoft needs fixing & it only happened during that christmas weekend.

Xbox Live wasn't down for everyone. Servers were overloaded which caused various errors for many people, but the service itself wasn't completely shut down. That's why some were affected more and even longer than others. The big difference between the two is Live needed upgraded due to increased usage while PSN allegedly has a security hole that needs fixed.

Of course he knows the renting space costs, maintenance costs, all the employee overhead including the benefits, the actual cost of the servers themselves, the marketing costs, the royalty fees, and all the international related fees, international marketing costs, server locations, and then the costs associated with securing deals like YouTube, ESPN, the Television, and all the contracts,ect.

Who doesn't know all this? :]

Stevo_the_gamer

Value is subjective and to one person being gouged is to another good value, but people really shouldn't kid themselves into thinking that the particular price being paid is necessary to run the service, when in reality it's mostly profit.

Pay for peer to peer servers, loaded with interactive ads and no customsoftware? Deffo!

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"] PLUS we too got compensated with free games......well...A free game! but for sketchy and not completely out service, i was prefectly fine with it!tormentos

First off all, let me say that your posts are barely readably Tormentos. Stick with 1 point at a time instead of mixing up lots of (flawed) arguments.

Back to your argument of Xbox live being down for most players. This was defenitely not the case, since nobody in my country had any problems signing into Xbox live period. I won't deny that Xbox live have had some slight problems in the early life of the Xbox360, but they were all dealt with quickly and now the service runs smoothly. Not the same can be said about the PSN wich also had problems in the beginning, but still has them now (just look at the major security breach wich caused them to close down the service for over a month).

MS also had problems with hacked accounts, but these were only a few, not the entire userbase of the platform. And as i said, these problems only occured during the early launch period of the platform.

The only thing you've been correct in (out of all your posts), is the early fail rate of the Xbox360. But MS handled that problem very well. They increased the warrenty by as much as 3 years and most times you got your repeared Xbox360 back within a week. I've had the red rings of death 2 times and both times i had my Xbox back very soon, and the 2nd time i even got the new version instead of my old one. How's that for service.

Before you go saying that i'm a Microsoft/Xbox360 fanboy or something, i own all systems and while i also like to play on my PS3, when it comes to playing games online i'll stick with the Xbox360 for it's better functionality and smooth running.

Now i'd wish that you'd stop posting flawed argument in this topic just cause you don't want to admit that you are wrong. If you want to have buggy online play on your PS3 than that's your choice. For me Sony will have to improve their service a lot on their next console to convince me to trade in XBL.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="slvrraven9"] PLUS we too got compensated with free games......well...A free game! but for sketchy and not completely out service, i was prefectly fine with it!erwingameon

First off all, let me say that your posts are barely readably Tormentos. Stick with 1 point at a time instead of mixing up lots of (flawed) arguments.

Back to your argument of Xbox live being down for most players. This was defenitely not the case, since nobody in my country had any problems signing into Xbox live period. I won't deny that Xbox live have had some slight problems in the early life of the Xbox360, but they were all dealt with quickly and now the service runs smoothly. Not the same can be said about the PSN wich also had problems in the beginning, but still has them now (just look at the major security breach wich caused them to close down the service for over a month).

MS also had problems with hacked accounts, but these were only a few, not the entire userbase of the platform. And as i said, these problems only occured during the early launch period of the platform.

The only thing you've been correct in (out of all your posts), is the early fail rate of the Xbox360. But MS handled that problem very well. They increased the warrenty by as much as 3 years and most times you got your repeared Xbox360 back within a week. I've had the red rings of death 2 times and both times i had my Xbox back very soon, and the 2nd time i even got the new version instead of my old one. How's that for service.

Before you go saying that i'm a Microsoft/Xbox360 fanboy or something, i own all systems and while i also like to play on my PS3, when it comes to playing games online i'll stick with the Xbox360 for it's better functionality and smooth running.

Now i'd wish that you'd stop posting flawed argument in this topic just cause you don't want to admit that you are wrong. If you want to have buggy online play on your PS3 than that's your choice. For me Sony will have to improve their service a lot on their next console to convince me to trade in XBL.

Absolutely, that is, unless they decide to make it like the Sony "N" on-line service and make it free or better yet, pay me to use it. :shock:

I'll tell ya what, I'll make a prediction... MS will offer free service next gen or Sony & "N" will charge for theirs. Oh I wonder though which it will be ??????

:P

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Of course he knows the renting space costs, maintenance costs, all the employee overhead including the benefits, the actual cost of the servers themselves, the marketing costs, the royalty fees, and all the international related fees, international marketing costs, server locations, and then the costs associated with securing deals like YouTube, ESPN, the Television, and all the contracts,ect.

Who doesn't know all this? :]

shinrabanshou

Value is subjective and to one person being gouged is to another good value, but people really shouldn't kid themselves into thinking that the particular price being paid is necessary to run the service, when in reality it's mostly profit.

I know that we pay more than is neccesary, but this is true about all product/services. When you pay your intenet provider they also charge more than is neccesary for their service. Same with your tv/mobile phone/etc provider. And when you buy a beer you also pay different taxes and the profit margin. Every company wants to make a profit, that's just how it works.

It depends what MS is offering on the Kinect U. I play more PS3 so if I do pay it will be one of those one month cards.

when in reality it's mostly profit.

shinrabanshou

I know that we pay more than is neccesary, but this is true about all product/services. When you pay your intenet provider they also charge more than is neccesary for their service. Same with your tv/mobile phone/etc provider. And when you buy a beer you also pay different taxes and the profit margin. Every company wants to make a profit, that's just how it works.erwingameon

I know that we pay more than is neccesary, but this is true about all product/services. When you pay your intenet provider they also charge more than is neccesary for their service. Same with your tv/mobile phone/etc provider. And when you buy a beer you also pay different taxes and the profit margin. Every company wants to make a profit, that's just how it works.

erwingameon

But there are degrees of profit to which I'll personally not support. I don't really expect others to follow suit, and as noted earlier, value being subjective, while I may consider a certain profit margin exorbitant, others may find it reasonable.

Live Gold is, imo, essentially the gaming equivalent of bottled water.

It's likewise why I won't buy the 3DS at it's current pricepoint. But more power to those who do, with the caveat that I would hope it doesn't negatively impact fellow consumers in the long run.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]when in reality it's mostly profit.

Stevo_the_gamer

No such thing. Next gen it shall be known as Kinect Live.

Why would i like to chat with people not playing the same game i am,and get distracted or worst not communicate with my team mate and cost them the game.tormentos

Educated speculation. Rough estimate puts Live Gold subscription revenues alone at ~$900 million per annum. One would need be rather credulous to think the service requires anywhere near that to operate. The analyst estimate sounds entirely reasonable.shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]when in reality it's mostly profit.

shinrabanshou

Im sorry, but based on what exactly?

@ tormentos

I'm curious, do you even own a Xbox360 ?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]According to speculation. :]

RR360DD

Im sorry, but based on what exactly?

For referential comparison, the total operating cost of World of Warcraft for Blizzard, staff, servers, etc. from launch until the end of 2008 was $200 million.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Why would i like to chat with people not playing the same game i am,and get distracted or worst not communicate with my team mate and cost them the game.clone01

My primary online game is Halo Reach, and I agree with him, Party chat is actually a hindrance to online gaming. Party chat is closer to a negative than a positive.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="tormentos"]Why would i like to chat with people not playing the same game i am,and get distracted or worst not communicate with my team mate and cost them the game.Heirren

My primary online game is Halo Reach, and I agree with him, Party chat is actually a hindrance to online gaming. Party chat is closer to a negative than a positive.

I can imagine that it would be a hindrence when you are playing a team bases online game. But when playing offline games or say individual online games it is very usefull.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="erwingameon"] If you don't even bother to read the argument i or other people give than i'm not gonna bother with your (ridiculous) questions.erwingameon

Maybe i know this cause all players on my friend lists (about 400) did not have any problems. Plus, i can read on the forums in my country and nobody on those had any problems either. This leads me to the conclusion that there wer no sign in problems here. And even if there were some, they would be nowhere in the ammounts you keep talking about.

Just keep your mouth shut will ya, cause you oviously have no idea what your talking about.

@ tormentos

I'm curious, do you even own a Xbox360 ?

erwingameon

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="erwingameon"]

Maybe i know this cause all players on my friend lists (about 400) did not have any problems. Plus, i can read on the forums in my country and nobody on those had any problems either. This leads me to the conclusion that there wer no sign in problems here. And even if there were some, they would be nowhere in the ammounts you keep talking about.

Just keep your mouth shut will ya, cause you oviously have no idea what your talking about.

erwingameon

Lol, this proves that your an idiot.

I have five accounts, this means that i can have 5 x 100 = 500 friends total.

[QUOTE="erwingameon"]

@ tormentos

I'm curious, do you even own a Xbox360 ?

tormentos

Again, 5 accounts so 5 x 100 = 500 friends.

[QUOTE="erwingameon"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] OK do you have a 360.? I ask you this because the maximum number of friends you can have on your friend list is 100 not 400 which isn't even close you are busted...Go lie else were.tormentos

Lol, this proves that your an idiot.

I have five accounts, this means that i can have 5 x 100 = 500 friends total.

Lie, and how in the world would you know how many accounts i have. Haha looks like your the one that's lying mate.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="tormentos"]Why would i like to chat with people not playing the same game i am,and get distracted or worst not communicate with my team mate and cost them the game.Heirren

My primary online game is Halo Reach, and I agree with him, Party chat is actually a hindrance to online gaming. Party chat is closer to a negative than a positive.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Educated speculation. Rough estimate puts Live Gold subscription revenues alone at ~$900 million per annum. One would need be rather credulous to think the service requires anywhere near that to operate. The analyst estimate sounds entirely reasonable.

shinrabanshou

Im sorry, but based on what exactly?

For referential comparison, the total operating cost of World of Warcraft for Blizzard, staff, servers, etc. from launch until the end of 2008 was $200 million.

Still a dodgy figure, when you consider the amount of retailers that sell Gold for a lot less than the MSRP. Do you know if Microsoft sell Gold cards to retailers for a lower cost or not?

And that comparison isn't very good. Running and maintaining servers is only one of many factors you have to consider.