If they continue to add Advertisements to their system I see no reason for me pay for it. I don't plan on getting a console next gen, a PC yes, maybe a PS4 for their exclusives.
Will you still pay for Xbox Live next gen?
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Exactly. And i did had Halo Reach as well before i sold it to a friend,and there is nothing worst that playing alone,because that is how you feel when few people are talking you try to communicate and only 1 respond to you the rest silent.tormentosWhy are you using your isolated experience with the game (which I highly doubt you've even played) as a representation of party chat?
[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]
What's based on what? My back of the envelope Gold revenue figure is just a simple multiplication of the Gold subscribers (15 million) by the current MSRP of Gold ($60). For the basis of the 65% gross margin figure you'll need to contact Sarah Friar, former managing director and business unit leader for technology at Goldman Sachs.
For referential comparison, the total operating cost of World of Warcraft for Blizzard, staff, servers, etc. from launch until the end of 2008 was $200 million.
RR360DD
Still a dodgy figure, when you consider the amount of retailers that sell Gold for a lot less than the MSRP. Do you know if Microsoft sell Gold cards to retailers for a lower cost or not?
And that comparison isn't very good. Running and maintaining servers is only one of many factors you have to consider.
I'm aware that there are deals. The MSRP is still the figure to use, as it is the standard. Even accounting for a 33% discount on every single subscriber, that would still put revenues at $600 million.Elaborate. The figure mentioned is for total operating costs, not just server maintenance, to provide a persistent world for a growing userbase (culminating in ~10+ million users circa 2008) over the course of 4.5 years.
Are you assuming Live Gold costs considerably more to run annually than an MMO like WoW? A persistent world vs matchmaking for P2P gaming?
[QUOTE="Heirren"]
My primary online game is Halo Reach, and I agree with him, Party chat is actually a hindrance to online gaming. Party chat is closer to a negative than a positive.
clone01
And I disagree. It comes down to personal preference.
If you are going to disagree, at least give a reason, because this is actually a major hit to xbox live for me. Halo is still my go to game, but the lack of communication actually made me go out and buy MAG. What you are preferring is that people don't communicate in-game.
65% = 300+% profit? I'm not anti business... I just dont think companies should make too much money. That's all.They should give it back to the consumer. Do it for... AHHHHHthe motherland! :]Live Gold is, imo, essentially the gaming equivalent of bottled water..shinrabanshou
Educated speculation. Rough estimate puts Live Gold subscription revenues alone at ~$900 million per annum. One would need be rather credulous to think the service requires anywhere near that to operate. The analyst estimate sounds entirely reasonable.Speculation. Rough.Interesting. :]shinrabanshou
[QUOTE="erwingameon"][QUOTE="tormentos"] How can i continue to read your argument when you started so wrong it is physically impossible for you to know that every single person in your country who had a 360 did not experience problems with live impossible.tormentos
Maybe i know this cause all players on my friend lists (about 400) did not have any problems. Plus, i can read on the forums in my country and nobody on those had any problems either. This leads me to the conclusion that there wer no sign in problems here. And even if there were some, they would be nowhere in the ammounts you keep talking about.
Just keep your mouth shut will ya, cause you oviously have no idea what your talking about.
OK do you have a 360.? I ask you this because the maximum number of friends you can have on your friend list is 100 not 400 which isn't even close you are busted...Go lie else were.I want nothing to do with what you two are doing but...Unless I'm mistaken :o I believe 100 was the max for last gen XBL because this gen, I have yet to need to delete friends to add new friends, something I had to do a bunch of last gen. Like I said, I believe and am not saying it as fact so perhaps someone will do the leg work since ATM, I haven't too much time and this post is about all I can muster at this right now. :P
[QUOTE="clone01"]
[QUOTE="Heirren"]
My primary online game is Halo Reach, and I agree with him, Party chat is actually a hindrance to online gaming. Party chat is closer to a negative than a positive.
Heirren
And I disagree. It comes down to personal preference.
If you are going to disagree, at least give a reason, because this is actually a major hit to xbox live for me. Halo is still my go to game, but the lack of communication actually made me go out and buy MAG. What you are preferring is that people don't communicate in-game.
Not only that the question he is asking is answer by it self,many 360 fans claim that party chat is the greatest thing,and many claim to use it,if so many people use it how can they be talking to people inside the game they are playing.? Isn't party chat a chat over the game own chat? He instead of making and argument just ask question,is silly.OK do you have a 360.? I ask you this because the maximum number of friends you can have on your friend list is 100 not 400 which isn't even close you are busted...Go lie else were.I want nothing to do with what you two are doing but...[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="erwingameon"]
Maybe i know this cause all players on my friend lists (about 400) did not have any problems. Plus, i can read on the forums in my country and nobody on those had any problems either. This leads me to the conclusion that there wer no sign in problems here. And even if there were some, they would be nowhere in the ammounts you keep talking about.
Just keep your mouth shut will ya, cause you oviously have no idea what your talking about.
SecretPolice
Unless I'm mistaken :o I believe 100 was the max for last gen XBL because this gen, I have yet to need to delete friends to add new friends, something I had to do a bunch of last gen. Like I said, I believe and am not saying it as fact so perhaps someone will do the leg work since ATM, I haven't too much time and this post is about all I can muster at this right now. :P
100 is the max you can have on your friend list, but since i have 5 accounts this means i can have a total of 5 x 100 = 500 friends.
By the way, the only reason i keep replying to tormentos is because he keeps sprouting incorrect things without even a reason to back it up. But when someone else does it he makes a big problem out of it.
65% = 300+% profit? I'm not anti business... I just dont think companies should make too much money. That's all.They should give it back to the consumer. Do it for... AHHHHHthe motherland! :]Stevo_the_gamer
Yes, because analogies are meant to be taken as literal. :/
Businesses can make as much money as they want, I won't personally support what I view as exorbitant. One doesn't need to be willing to submit to and support any and every business practice to be in favor of enterprise. What a bizarre absolutist view.
I didn't say anything about giving back to consumers and doing anything for the good of anyone, so you can take your strawman attempted mockery elsewhere.
Speculation. Rough.Interesting. :]Just as you're speculating about how necessary the subscription is. The only thing is rather than put a figure to it or provide some sort of source, you provided a list of costs as justification.Stevo_the_gamer
[QUOTE="RR360DD"]
[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]
What's based on what? My back of the envelope Gold revenue figure is just a simple multiplication of the Gold subscribers (15 million) by the current MSRP of Gold ($60). For the basis of the 65% gross margin figure you'll need to contact Sarah Friar, former managing director and business unit leader for technology at Goldman Sachs.
For referential comparison, the total operating cost of World of Warcraft for Blizzard, staff, servers, etc. from launch until the end of 2008 was $200 million.
shinrabanshou
Still a dodgy figure, when you consider the amount of retailers that sell Gold for a lot less than the MSRP. Do you know if Microsoft sell Gold cards to retailers for a lower cost or not?
And that comparison isn't very good. Running and maintaining servers is only one of many factors you have to consider.
I'm aware that there are deals. The MSRP is still the figure to use, as it is the standard. Even accounting for a 33% discount on every single subscriber, that would still put revenues at $600 million.Elaborate. The figure mentioned is for total operating costs, not just server maintenance, to provide a persistent world for a growing userbase (culminating in ~10+ million users circa 2008) over the course of 4.5 years.
Are you assuming Live Gold costs considerably more to run annually than an MMO like WoW? A persistent world vs matchmaking for P2P gaming?
Im saying theres a lot more to it than that. That WoW number is for one game. Yes its huge, but there are hundreds on online games on the 360, some huge as well. Contrary to popular belief, client-hosted online multiplayer still requires servers.
And you're forgetting about everything else XBL does. Party Chat. Huge library of trailers, demos, games etc. Community videos, interviews. Sky player, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube etc etc. They all require money to run, and im sure with some of those 'partnerships' Microsoft has developed, money changed hands.
Just as you're speculating about how necessary the subscription is. The only thing is rather than put a figure to it or provide some sort of source, you provided a list of costs as justification.[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]
65% = 300+% profit? I'm not anti business... I just dont think companies should make too much money. That's all.They should give it back to the consumer. Do it for... AHHHHHthe motherland! :]
Speculation. Rough.Interesting. :]
shinrabanshou
Yes, because analogies are meant to be taken as literal. :/
Businesses can make as much money as they want, I won't personally support what I view as exorbitant. One doesn't need to be willing to submit to and support any and every business practice to be in favor of enterprise. What a bizarre absolutist view.
I didn't say anything about giving back to consumers and doing anything for the good of anyone, so you can take your strawman attempted mockery elsewhere.
I bet the majority of the expenses are from promoting XBL rather than running it,in fact didn't MS drop like half a billion just to promote Kinect.? Who ever thinks that MS spend tons of cash running live,is actually ignoring that PSN also cost a ton of money to run,it probably cost more to sony to run Home than what MS actually spend to run live. More games on PSN support servers than on live and PSN also have centralize servers for friend list and many other things,sony also has those expenses and PSN is free,i don't see a reason why MS can't do it,more when they are the richest by far of the 3.I want nothing to do with what you two are doing but...[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]
[QUOTE="tormentos"] OK do you have a 360.? I ask you this because the maximum number of friends you can have on your friend list is 100 not 400 which isn't even close you are busted...Go lie else were.erwingameon
Unless I'm mistaken :o I believe 100 was the max for last gen XBL because this gen, I have yet to need to delete friends to add new friends, something I had to do a bunch of last gen. Like I said, I believe and am not saying it as fact so perhaps someone will do the leg work since ATM, I haven't too much time and this post is about all I can muster at this right now. :P
100 is the max you can have on your friend list, but since i have 5 accounts this means i can have a total of 5 x 100 = 500 friends.
By the way, the only reason i keep replying to tormentos is because he keeps sprouting incorrect things without even a reason to back it up. But when someone else does it he makes a big problem out of it.
Hmm, okay but something seems wrong unless the old friends from last gen who have yet to convert from Xbox to 360 XBL but still show up on my list don't count ? I dunno, perhaps I'm just not as popular this gen. :cry:j/k on the last part. :P
[QUOTE="erwingameon"]
[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]I want nothing to do with what you two are doing but...
Unless I'm mistaken :o I believe 100 was the max for last gen XBL because this gen, I have yet to need to delete friends to add new friends, something I had to do a bunch of last gen. Like I said, I believe and am not saying it as fact so perhaps someone will do the leg work since ATM, I haven't too much time and this post is about all I can muster at this right now. :P
SecretPolice
100 is the max you can have on your friend list, but since i have 5 accounts this means i can have a total of 5 x 100 = 500 friends.
By the way, the only reason i keep replying to tormentos is because he keeps sprouting incorrect things without even a reason to back it up. But when someone else does it he makes a big problem out of it.
Hmm, okay but something seems wrong unless the old friends from last gen who have yet to convert from Xbox to 360 XBL but still show up on my list don't count ? I dunno, perhaps I'm just not as popular this gen. :cry:j/k on the last part. :P
Don't know about that since i don't own a original xbox.
[QUOTE="tormentos"]Another interesting thing is how the play with the numbers,and claim 35 million live users and more than half are silver which are worthless.RR360DDWhat do you mean worthless? You can't play online,use faebook,twiter,Netflix so is basically silver is useless.
Yes, I'm aware there'll be servers involved relaying information, voice, holding account info, etc.Im saying theres a lot more to it than that. That WoW number is for one game. Yes its huge, but there are hundreds on online games on the 360, some huge as well. Contrary to popular belief, client-hosted online multiplayer still requires servers.
And you're forgetting about everything else XBL does. Party Chat. Huge library of trailers, demos, games etc. Community videos, interviews. Sky player, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube etc etc. They all require money to run, and im sure with some of those 'partnerships' Microsoft has developed, money changed hands.
RR360DD
I imagine the various parties, Netflix, Youtube, etc. are quite eager to get their services on multiple platforms, although exclusivity would probably require some sort of payment.
Bandwidth for games, I imagine would be factored into the price of the digital download. Demos and trailers are a grey area, I'm unaware of whether publishers are charged for those.
Even assuming licensing for those features (a lot of which are available elsewhere for free) I'd be hard pressed to believe the service costs upwards of $200 million per annum, ergo, imo, the analyst's figure still seems perfectly reasonable, even under a relatively conservative estimate of Gold revenues.
N.B. This is not meant to be an indictment of those who use the service - if you find value in it and consequently purchase it, that's your prerogative as a consumer.
You can't play online,use faebook,twiter,Netflix so is basically silver is useless.[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="RR360DD"] What do you mean worthless?erwingameon
You know what else is useless. YOU AND YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He finally makes a comprehendable point and it is useless? What he said makes perfect sense.
[QUOTE="erwingameon"]
[QUOTE="tormentos"] You can't play online,use faebook,twiter,Netflix so is basically silver is useless.Heirren
You know what else is useless. YOU AND YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He finally makes a comprehendable point and it is useless? What he said makes perfect sense.
Yes your absolutely wright, this is the first point he makes that actually makes sence. And yes XBL silver is basically useless, unless you only play offline games on your own.
[QUOTE="clone01"]
[QUOTE="Heirren"]
My primary online game is Halo Reach, and I agree with him, Party chat is actually a hindrance to online gaming. Party chat is closer to a negative than a positive.
Heirren
And I disagree. It comes down to personal preference.
If you are going to disagree, at least give a reason, because this is actually a major hit to xbox live for me. Halo is still my go to game, but the lack of communication actually made me go out and buy MAG. What you are preferring is that people don't communicate in-game.
Absolutely. maximum party size is eight people if I'm not mistaken. That's more than enough to accommodate my friends for an average gaming night.
[QUOTE="Heirren"]
[QUOTE="clone01"]
And I disagree. It comes down to personal preference.
clone01
If you are going to disagree, at least give a reason, because this is actually a major hit to xbox live for me. Halo is still my go to game, but the lack of communication actually made me go out and buy MAG. What you are preferring is that people don't communicate in-game.
Absolutely. maximum party size is eight people if I'm not mistaken. That's more than enough to accommodate my friends for an average gaming night.
My 2 cents if you don't mind....
I think this is a valid complaint. However, I don't think there's an easy solution. I like how MW2(I think) handled it where it did not allow party chat in the team based game types.
Is it a valid tick mark on the side of XBL. I think so. The feature is obviously popular and useful, but there some added social engineering that needs to be programmed into it for it to be better.
In my eyes, if I was playing with randoms, it would be an issue. But I tend to stick with people on my friends list most of the time, so it still has alot of value. Not just chat, but the whole party system which includes the invite system.
But, as we've already said, it's down to preference.
[QUOTE="garland51"][QUOTE="tormentos"]http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/31/unhappy-xbox-live-users-demand-compensation/
Live was down for 2 weeks people could basically not sign in, or were sign out rapidly after sing the network was mess, and this happen on the holiday season 2007 when Halo 3 and COD 4 MW1 were out allot of angry live users demanded compensation on the xbox forums,but mod would just close threads any thread that talked about it.
So basically not only MS also screwed up a pay service,but also silence those who complain about it. tormentos
Dude, this is just...LOL. Live was never down for two weeks. It only had minor problems that Microsoft needs fixing & it only happened during that christmas weekend.
Xbox Live wasn't down for everyone. Servers were overloaded which caused various errors for many people, but the service itself wasn't completely shut down. That's why some were affected more and even longer than others. The big difference between the two is Live needed upgraded due to increased usage while PSN allegedly has a security hole that needs fixed.
Minor what did you even read the dam link i posted here let me post it again.http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/xbox-live-outage-day-13-still-up-and-down-still-preventing-fu/
No it wasn't minor it affected millions of people and it lasted some 2 weeks were many user could not sign in period were sign out once they sign in,could not play or do anything online,now XBL is a paying service unlike PSN.
Is funny that you defend MS so fiercely this same company lie about RROD and deny high fail rates,this company is not a stranger to lies,keep drinking that cool aid live was down for 2 weeks,period in which few people unlike what you claim could play on a pay service,and every one who complained on the xbox forum was silence.
Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Xbox Live was never down for two weeks & it never affected everyone. Plus Sony has had problems with the hardware in both PS1 & PS2 with DRE's, & overheating. Plus what about YLOD's & bricking PS3's? You want to go there?
You need to just shut up & just stop. Just...stop.
You can't play online,use faebook,twiter,Netflix so is basically silver is useless.[QUOTE="erwingameon"]
[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="RR360DD"] What do you mean worthless?Heirren
You know what else is useless. YOU AND YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He finally makes a comprehendable point and it is useless? What he said makes perfect sense.
Most of the time, he does. He's clearly a Sony fanboy who's never owned a 360 before & always likes to bash it every chance that he gets.
[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="garland51"]
You know what else is useless. YOU AND YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
garland51
He finally makes a comprehendable point and it is useless? What he said makes perfect sense.
Most of the time, he does. He's clearly a Sony fanboy who's never owned a 360 before & always likes to bash it every chance that he gets.
I've told him to shut up lots of times now but he doesn't listen. And he did say that he did own a Xbox360. But yeah he's clearly a Sony fanboy who can only talk crap about other platforms.
I've told him to shut up lots of times now but he doesn't listen. And he did say that he did own a Xbox360. But yeah he's clearly a Sony fanboy who can only talk crap about other platforms.erwingameon
He always gets angry with me when I ask him for a gamertag. Don't know why, all he has to do is provide one, considering how he has a 360 and all.
Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Xbox Live was never down for two weeks & it never affected everyone. Plus Sony has had problems with the hardware in both PS1 & PS2 with DRE's, & overheating. Plus what about YLOD's & bricking PS3's? You want to go there?You need to just shut up & just stop. Just...stop.Most of the time, he does. He's clearly a Sony fanboy who's never owned a 360 before & always likes to bash it every chance that he gets.garland51Wow so much denial on this post is sad. I posted several links already confirming that live was in deed down,but you refuse to admit it,even MS admitted to have problems and you will not. Also DRE happen to all consoles that have a drive,this include the original xbox which suffer from DRE and the xbox 360 which also suffer from DRE,the PS one over heating problem caused the PS to skip FMV nothing that prevent you from playing that game,and YLOD is not even close to be as wide spread as the 50% fail rate of the xbox 360. I own and xbox 360 and have been and owner since 2006,and have pass by several units by the way.
I looked at your posting history i know you did that to several persons,and when proof was provided to you,you went into complete denial,and i don't get angry with you this is a public forum,but i have see your posting and it just consist in asking for link and proof but you your self do little to prove that person is wrong with a valid argument rather than... Have you. Do you. Can you tormentosWho are you talking to? The quote button is your friend. And if you're indeed talking to me, how about that gamertag?
I think;
- PSN will still be free next gen
- MS will always have the better, more rich, more secure operating system on their console
- People think they are paying for "service." XBL is peer to peer. There is no service.
- When you pay for XBL, what you are paying for is development of the console Operating System, which on 360 is so much nicer and smoother
Even tho I am ideologically opposed to the idea of paying for peer-to-peer networking, I will probably still be an Xbox user, and will probably end up paying, because you only live once and epic gaming experiences are part of the sweetness of my life.
Wow so much denial on this post is sad.
I posted several links already confirming that live was in deed down,but you refuse to admit it,even MS admitted to have problems and you will not.
Also DRE happen to all consoles that have a drive,this include the original xbox which suffer from DRE and the xbox 360 which also suffer from DRE,the PS one over heating problem caused the PS to skip FMV nothing that prevent you from playing that game,and YLOD is not even close to be as wide spread as the 50% fail rate of the xbox 360.
I own and xbox 360 and have been and owner since 2006,and have pass by several units by the way.tormentos
No, you're in denial. Once again, Xbox Live was never down for two weeks. Period. Read the comments down below on this page talking about it.
Link.
Do you own a 360? If so, what's your gamertag? I bet you don't have one.
I looked at your posting history i know you did that to several persons,and when proof was provided to you,you went into complete denial,and i don't get angry with you this is a public forum,but i have see your posting and it just consist in asking for link and proof but you your self do little to prove that person is wrong with a valid argument rather than... Have you. Do you. Can youtormentos
I did what to several people? I did not went into complete denial. I think that you should just stop, because you're really making me mad right now.
[QUOTE="tormentos"]
Wow so much denial on this post is sad.
I posted several links already confirming that live was in deed down,but you refuse to admit it,even MS admitted to have problems and you will not.
Also DRE happen to all consoles that have a drive,this include the original xbox which suffer from DRE and the xbox 360 which also suffer from DRE,the PS one over heating problem caused the PS to skip FMV nothing that prevent you from playing that game,and YLOD is not even close to be as wide spread as the 50% fail rate of the xbox 360.
I own and xbox 360 and have been and owner since 2006,and have pass by several units by the way.garland51
No, you're in denial. Once again, Xbox Live was never down for two weeks. Period. Read the comments down below on this page talking about it.
Link.
Do you own a 360? If so, what's your gamertag? I bet you don't have one.
I looked at your posting history i know you did that to several persons,and when proof was provided to you,you went into complete denial,and i don't get angry with you this is a public forum,but i have see your posting and it just consist in asking for link and proof but you your self do little to prove that person is wrong with a valid argument rather than... Have you. Do you. Can youtormentos
I did that to several people? I did not went into complete denial. I think that you should just stop, because you're really making me mad right now.
I link you to were it say it was down do you have a link that say Live wasn't down on 2007 and that it was made up.? And that last part you quote wasn't directed at you did i quote you.?[QUOTE="garland51"][QUOTE="tormentos"]
Wow so much denial on this post is sad.
I posted several links already confirming that live was in deed down,but you refuse to admit it,even MS admitted to have problems and you will not.
Also DRE happen to all consoles that have a drive,this include the original xbox which suffer from DRE and the xbox 360 which also suffer from DRE,the PS one over heating problem caused the PS to skip FMV nothing that prevent you from playing that game,and YLOD is not even close to be as wide spread as the 50% fail rate of the xbox 360.
I own and xbox 360 and have been and owner since 2006,and have pass by several units by the way.tormentos
No, you're in denial. Once again, Xbox Live was never down for two weeks. Period. Read the comments down below on this page talking about it.
Link.
Do you own a 360? If so, what's your gamertag? I bet you don't have one.
I link you to were it say it was down do you have a link that say Live wasn't down on 2007 and that it was made up?
Dude, did you not hear me say that Live was never down for two weeks? Did I not say that it was down for a day or two during that Christmas weekend because of updates or whatever? My word.
-Better.? Debatable more rich debatable,more secure probably. -You are not paying for anything on XBL but to unlock functions on games you already pay for,they are key locked. -Sony also develop operation systems and do more systems updates than MS and still is free,we even have Home and still free.I think;
- PSN will still be free next gen
- MS will always have the better, more rich, more secure operating system on their console
- People think they are paying for "service." XBL is peer to peer. There is no service.
- When you pay for XBL, what you are paying for is development of the console Operating System, which on 360 is so much nicer and smoother
Even tho I am ideologically opposed to the idea of paying for peer-to-peer networking, I will probably still be an Xbox user, and will probably end up paying, because you only live once and epic gaming experiences are part of the sweetness of my life.
ZombieKiller7
Dude, did you not hear me say that Live was never down for two weeks? Did I not say that it was down for a day or two during that Christmas weekend because of updates or whatever? My word.garland51It's been ten days since we started tracking The Great Xbox Live Outage of Late 2007 -- ten days that the team at Microsoft has spent working 24/7, apparently unable to quash the issues affecting untold thousands (or millions) of users. Things were supposedly looking better until earlier today when they apparently got worse again, resulting in Xbox Live's service status box making a decisive turn towards the apology side of the spectrum. Granted, the whole thing may seem a little gratuitous at this point, especially considering that the issues are still tagged as intermittent -- but at least our informal polling at Engadget HQ has improved, with some of us even able to get on and play a game (slow and sticky though it may be). http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/31/xbox-live-still-up-and-down-ten-days-later/ Major Nelson posted a little update confirming that Xbox Live has been having issues this past week, that their engineers have been working on a fix and says that "problems like this are not acceptable". We're nearly certain that an influx of new gamers going online post holiday put a lot of strain on Xbox Live, but one would think that Microsoft would have been ready. Though, it's good to hear that they're owning up to their mishap and were quick to get their tech team working on the problem. And you'll be happy to hear that, as of this posting, Xbox Live is up and running like normal. So, happy online gaming everybody. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/30/xbox-live-has-had-a-rough-holiday/ To all those who've been tipping us like crazy about Xbox Live going back down again: yeah, we heard, and we know you're not happy. If you're having problems (or even if you're not), feel free to let us know in comments. Almost two weeks of outages, yeesh. To all those sick of hearing about Xbox Live being up and down: feel free to stop reading here, there will be another news story along in a few minutes. But do remember that Xbox Live is possibly the most widely used paid gaming service in the world, so forgive us for keeping close tabs on this story. Mwah! http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/xbox-live-outage-day-13-still-up-and-down-still-preventing-fu/ This is how you win arguments live was down end of story ping it on anything you like it was down.
Did I ever say it wasn't down? You must have forgotten about what I said in my last post in this topic as well as the Link that I have posted when I told you to read down the comments below in which Live wasn't down for two weeks.
Where's the ignore list when you need one? Somebody take over & talk to this guy here & tell him what I keep on saying, because I'm done with him here.
If the games are worth paying for it then yes.
I'm not going to pay $180 a year (3 platforms) for heightened game prices, advertisements, no servers and a decent online chat/leaderboard service.
OMG look at the poll. People aren't very wise as to how they spend their money. Oh well.
Yes I will and when Sony charges for online next gen, I'm gonna laugh so friggin hard. It's be complete ownage here and its gonna be great.
Sony is losing money on PSN everyday. I can pretty much read their minds. They wanna charge for PSN so badly but they know they can't do it because they shot themselves in the foot when they said online gaming will be free for ps3. If they ever go back on their word for the PS3, they know its game over for them, but Sony is chomping at the bit next gen to charge for PSN and its gonna happen. I pretty much guarantee it.
[QUOTE="garland51"]Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Xbox Live was never down for two weeks & it never affected everyone. Plus Sony has had problems with the hardware in both PS1 & PS2 with DRE's, & overheating. Plus what about YLOD's & bricking PS3's? You want to go there?You need to just shut up & just stop. Just...stop.Most of the time, he does. He's clearly a Sony fanboy who's never owned a 360 before & always likes to bash it every chance that he gets.tormentosWow so much denial on this post is sad. I posted several links already confirming that live was in deed down,but you refuse to admit it,even MS admitted to have problems and you will not. Also DRE happen to all consoles that have a drive,this include the original xbox which suffer from DRE and the xbox 360 which also suffer from DRE,the PS one over heating problem caused the PS to skip FMV nothing that prevent you from playing that game,and YLOD is not even close to be as wide spread as the 50% fail rate of the xbox 360. I own and xbox 360 and have been and owner since 2006,and have pass by several units by the way.
XBL was never down for 2 weeks :|
yes people had issues getting online and it was indeed slow for during that time,but microsoft never shut down the service. So far the only people that are clamining it was shut down are hardcore ps3 fanboys that are still upset over the PSN crysis
[QUOTE="garland51"]Dude, did you not hear me say that Live was never down for two weeks? Did I not say that it was down for a day or two during that Christmas weekend because of updates or whatever? My word.tormentosIt's been ten days since we started tracking The Great Xbox Live Outage of Late 2007 -- ten days that the team at Microsoft has spent working 24/7, apparently unable to quash the issues affecting untold thousands (or millions) of users. Things were supposedly looking better until earlier today when they apparently got worse again, resulting in Xbox Live's service status box making a decisive turn towards the apology side of the spectrum. Granted, the whole thing may seem a little gratuitous at this point, especially considering that the issues are still tagged as intermittent -- but at least our informal polling at Engadget HQ has improved, with some of us even able to get on and play a game (slow and sticky though it may be). http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/31/xbox-live-still-up-and-down-ten-days-later/ Major Nelson posted a little update confirming that Xbox Live has been having issues this past week, that their engineers have been working on a fix and says that "problems like this are not acceptable". We're nearly certain that an influx of new gamers going online post holiday put a lot of strain on Xbox Live, but one would think that Microsoft would have been ready. Though, it's good to hear that they're owning up to their mishap and were quick to get their tech team working on the problem. And you'll be happy to hear that, as of this posting, Xbox Live is up and running like normal. So, happy online gaming everybody. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/30/xbox-live-has-had-a-rough-holiday/ To all those who've been tipping us like crazy about Xbox Live going back down again: yeah, we heard, and we know you're not happy. If you're having problems (or even if you're not), feel free to let us know in comments. Almost two weeks of outages, yeesh. To all those sick of hearing about Xbox Live being up and down: feel free to stop reading here, there will be another news story along in a few minutes. But do remember that Xbox Live is possibly the most widely used paid gaming service in the world, so forgive us for keeping close tabs on this story. Mwah! http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/xbox-live-outage-day-13-still-up-and-down-still-preventing-fu/ This is how you win arguments live was down end of story ping it on anything you like it was down.
Live was never down for 2 weeks. And didn't you believe ps2 online was superior to xbox last gen. Your credibility is shot man.
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