Witcher 3 sales | PC = 30%, Consoles = 70%

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#301 GhoX
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I dont understand this thread.. If you split it by platform it's probably quite even.

30% is a huge amount.

Newsflash: there are only two platforms on the market, one called PC and one called "consoles". Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are in fact all subsidiaries of the same company called the Console Company. Logic.

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#302 Halo2-Best-FPS
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Why are cows always embarrassing themselves vs. PC gamers.

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#303 NoodleFighter
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Yet 50% of revenue came from digital sales which were 25% and retail was 75% look at the PC numbers it is safe to say that only 5% of digital sales came from PSN and XBL and PC retail was only 5% of PC sales. More than half of PC sales most likely came from GOG.COM which is owned by CD Projekt so they most likely got 90%-100% of the money.

PC gamers are casuals for wanting cheap games yet consolites go crazy over PSN+ and XBL Gold Free games. PC gamers are cheapos waiting 2 years to get a AAA game at a big discount but lets ignore all the console gamers mad at Sony and Microsoft for mostly giving out indie games as free games and demand they give them AAA titles for free and recent ones too.

The entire PC userbase is expected to buy the game when Console userbases don't and barely half during launch years.

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#304  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@MBirdy88: Sucks when you're wrong.

Dunno why it's such a bad thing...you're not a robot.

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#305 remiks00
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@NoodleFighter said:

Yet 50% of revenue came from digital sales which were 25% and retail was 75% look at the PC numbers it is safe to say that only 5% of digital sales came from PSN and XBL and PC retail was only 5% of PC sales. More than half of PC sales most likely came from GOG.COM which is owned by CD Projekt so they most likely got 90%-100% of the money.

PC gamers are casuals for wanting cheap games yet consolites go crazy over PSN+ and XBL Gold Free games. PC gamers are cheapos waiting 2 years to get a AAA game at a big discount but lets ignore all the console gamers mad at Sony and Microsoft for mostly giving out indie games as free games and demand they give them AAA titles for free and recent ones too.

The entire PC userbase is expected to buy the game when Console userbases don't and barely half during launch years.

Their hypocrisy is real.

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#306  Edited By deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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@NoodleFighter said:

Yet 50% of revenue came from digital sales which were 25% and retail was 75% look at the PC numbers it is safe to say that only 5% of digital sales came from PSN and XBL and PC retail was only 5% of PC sales. More than half of PC sales most likely came from GOG.COM which is owned by CD Projekt so they most likely got 90%-100% of the money.

PC gamers are casuals for wanting cheap games yet consolites go crazy over PSN+ and XBL Gold Free games. PC gamers are cheapos waiting 2 years to get a AAA game at a big discount but lets ignore all the console gamers mad at Sony and Microsoft for mostly giving out indie games as free games and demand they give them AAA titles for free and recent ones too.

The entire PC userbase is expected to buy the game when Console userbases don't and barely half during launch years.

Not to mention most of them trade their games back in, and buy used to save money.... at the expense of the developers.

The hypocrisy is real.

@mr_huggles_dog dodging the System Wars rules again Cranler... but hey, if you need to count the Xbox360 and PS3 to buff up your poor system choices.... then by all means carry on ;)

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#307  Edited By AzatiS
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@deathlordcrime said:
@AM-Gamer said:

@AzatiS: It doesn't have to be cheaper that's not the point. My point is the price will drop and sells will continue on consoles. And given the lead the PS4 already has it will never catch them.

Same with dark souls yet pc is nearing 50% of all sales for the series

Exactly my point .... PC games have such prices that even people that would never , ever be bothered with certain games ..... they get motivated to do so by super low prices and instead of pirate the game or dont play it at all ... they actually buy it. Personally i did that with many steam games like MAX PAYNE 3 , Final Fantasy 13 , Bioshock 1/2 and more .... Titles i wouldnt even be bothered if they werent on PC at such low prices ( sales or serious discounts )

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#308 GarGx1
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A game sold for £1 on Steam is far more valuable to the developer, than a console game sold, second hand for £30.

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#309 intotheminx
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How many PC gamers can run The Witcher 3 at enjoyable settings? I'll admit I can't, so I skipped out. However, games have longevity on PC due to big sales and price drops. I'd say console gamers are already looking to the next hot thing while The Witcher 3 will sell steadily for a few years on PC thanks to said sales.

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Speaking of Witcher 3 are they still working on big updates/patches for it or are they pretty much done? Keep wondering if they'll be able to fix the PS4 framerate issues or if that's here to stay.

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@DocSanchez: THANK YOU, I thought I was the only one who noticed. Do math system wars!

That being said I was not a fan of this game.

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@Wickerman777 said:

Speaking of Witcher 3 are they still working on big updates/patches for it or are they pretty much done? Keep wondering if they'll be able to fix the PS4 framerate issues or if that's here to stay.

With two upcoming expansions I doubt their done updating/patching. The only thing they can do to fix the PS4 is to downgrade the aspects they included after the patch that created the performance issues. However just earlier today news that a new patch is suppose to be released in October before the next expansion and will be "including fixes that will improve the performance of the PlayStation 4 version."

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#313  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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30% for a launch title is very good numbers, considering that PC games sell overtime rather than at launch like consoles. In a year's time PC version will still bring profit to developers, meanwhile used game reselling on consoles will stop CDP from getting more money. So in the end, give it some time and PC version will become leading selling platform. mark my words. In a year or so, CDP will release their sales numbers and PC will hold some 40% or of the sales or more.

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@04dcarraher said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Speaking of Witcher 3 are they still working on big updates/patches for it or are they pretty much done? Keep wondering if they'll be able to fix the PS4 framerate issues or if that's here to stay.

With two upcoming expansions I doubt their done updating/patching. The only thing they can do to fix the PS4 is to downgrade the aspects they included after the patch that created the performance issues. However just earlier today news that a new patch is suppose to be released in October before the next expansion and will be "including fixes that will improve the performance of the PlayStation 4 version."

Created the performance issues? It's had bad framerate since day 1. What they really need to do is introduce a scaling system to the PS4 version so that the resolution decreases when the engine is under load.

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#315 IgGy621985
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Sigh... It wasn't good when PC gamers pirated their games. Now it isn't good when PC gamers purchase their games. Because 30% for one platform apparently isn't good enough.

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So PC made more profit for the company, cool.

Sucks to see cows can't play the RPG of the gen as they get the unplayable 19 FPS version on 900pStation.

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#317  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@Wickerman777 said:
@04dcarraher said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Speaking of Witcher 3 are they still working on big updates/patches for it or are they pretty much done? Keep wondering if they'll be able to fix the PS4 framerate issues or if that's here to stay.

With two upcoming expansions I doubt their done updating/patching. The only thing they can do to fix the PS4 is to downgrade the aspects they included after the patch that created the performance issues. However just earlier today news that a new patch is suppose to be released in October before the next expansion and will be "including fixes that will improve the performance of the PlayStation 4 version."

Created the performance issues? It's had bad framerate since day 1. What they really need to do is introduce a scaling system to the PS4 version so that the resolution decreases when the engine is under load.

Before that 1.07 patch its performance didn't drop into the low 20's like it did after 1.05. 1.07 introduced as much as a 8 fps drop compared to before.

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#318 Zen_Light
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Do we know those 70% console sales are split equally at 35% each? I bet it's more like 50% PS4 and 20% or less XB1.

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#319 NoodleFighter
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@AzatiS said:
@deathlordcrime said:
@AM-Gamer said:

@AzatiS: It doesn't have to be cheaper that's not the point. My point is the price will drop and sells will continue on consoles. And given the lead the PS4 already has it will never catch them.

Same with dark souls yet pc is nearing 50% of all sales for the series

Exactly my point .... PC games have such prices that even people that would never , ever be bothered with certain games ..... they get motivated to do so by super low prices and instead of pirate the game or dont play it at all ... they actually buy it. Personally i did that with many steam games like MAX PAYNE 3 , Final Fantasy 13 , Bioshock 1/2 and more .... Titles i wouldnt even be bothered if they werent on PC at such low prices ( sales or serious discounts )

Steam sales are great if you're a small developer because like you said how you bought games if they weren't at such low prices it helps indie devs get more exposure and they make more money selling it discounted than at full price. In fact developers compete over getting their game on the front page of steam during massive sales events.

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#320 Bravo632
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Not everyone can afford a good spec PC to play games smoothly such as Witcher... Also consoles are much more convenient to set up than PCs.

I'm more active on Steam than any other system, but I still love consoles.

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#321  Edited By Wickerman777
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@04dcarraher said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@04dcarraher said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Speaking of Witcher 3 are they still working on big updates/patches for it or are they pretty much done? Keep wondering if they'll be able to fix the PS4 framerate issues or if that's here to stay.

With two upcoming expansions I doubt their done updating/patching. The only thing they can do to fix the PS4 is to downgrade the aspects they included after the patch that created the performance issues. However just earlier today news that a new patch is suppose to be released in October before the next expansion and will be "including fixes that will improve the performance of the PlayStation 4 version."

Created the performance issues? It's had bad framerate since day 1. What they really need to do is introduce a scaling system to the PS4 version so that the resolution decreases when the engine is under load.

Before that 1.07 patch its performance didn't drop into the low 20's like it did after 1.05. 1.07 introduced as much as a 8 fps drop compared to before.

Meh, that's the cutscene thing. Not talking about that. Since day 1 the game has gameplay frame drops all the way down to high teens in some areas.

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@deathlordcrime: Dark Souls? The problem with Dark Souls is it's suffering from franchise fatigue on PS as PS owners have Demon Souls and BB.

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#323 AzatiS
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@NoodleFighter said:
@AzatiS said:
@deathlordcrime said:
@AM-Gamer said:

@AzatiS: It doesn't have to be cheaper that's not the point. My point is the price will drop and sells will continue on consoles. And given the lead the PS4 already has it will never catch them.

Same with dark souls yet pc is nearing 50% of all sales for the series

Exactly my point .... PC games have such prices that even people that would never , ever be bothered with certain games ..... they get motivated to do so by super low prices and instead of pirate the game or dont play it at all ... they actually buy it. Personally i did that with many steam games like MAX PAYNE 3 , Final Fantasy 13 , Bioshock 1/2 and more .... Titles i wouldnt even be bothered if they werent on PC at such low prices ( sales or serious discounts )

Steam sales are great if you're a small developer because like you said how you bought games if they weren't at such low prices it helps indie devs get more exposure and they make more money selling it discounted than at full price. In fact developers compete over getting their game on the front page of steam during massive sales events.

True

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#324  Edited By GhostHawk196
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As a PC gamer, I am grateful in that the consoles made Witcher 3 commercially viable. Although it would have been even nicer to have the E3 demo graphics people need to realise businesses need to make a gain. CDPojektRED made the perfect game which was also commercially viable and I hope other companies follow in their footsteps. Please for the love of god NEVER associate with EA or Activision because their strategy is purely to jib customers.

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#325 DarthaPerkinjan
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Further proof that the 100m+ PC install base is 95% peasants with systems inferior to the PS4

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#326 EvanTheGamer
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A game sells more on consoles? No shit, happens all the time.

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@bravo632 said:

Not everyone can afford a good spec PC to play games smoothly such as Witcher... Also consoles are much more convenient to set up than PCs.

I'm more active on Steam than any other system, but I still love consoles.

Exactly, consoles are more handy + cheaper.

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#328  Edited By elessarGObonzo
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@04dcarraher said:

With two upcoming expansions I doubt their done updating/patching. The only thing they can do to fix the PS4 is to downgrade the aspects they included after the patch that created the performance issues. However just earlier today news that a new patch is suppose to be released in October before the next expansion and will be "including fixes that will improve the performance of the PlayStation 4 version."

they've already done quite a bit of optimization over the many PC patches. went from 55-60fps at 1080p ultra to an easy 60fps at 1440p ultra. hopefully they could do similar for the other platforms, but i would figure it would've been done already. maybe they've just concentrated more on the PC version until now and they will be focusing more on the sony problems.

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@04dcarraher said:

With two upcoming expansions I doubt their done updating/patching. The only thing they can do to fix the PS4 is to downgrade the aspects they included after the patch that created the performance issues. However just earlier today news that a new patch is suppose to be released in October before the next expansion and will be "including fixes that will improve the performance of the PlayStation 4 version."

they've already done quite a bit of optimization over the many PC patches. went from 55-60fps at 1080p ultra to an easy 60fps at 1440p ultra. hopefully they could do similar for the other platforms, but i would figure it would've been done already. maybe they've just concentrated more on the PC version until now and they will be focusing more on the sony problems.

@rongor said:

Exactly, consoles are more handy + cheaper.

@bravo632 said:

Not everyone can afford a good spec PC to play games smoothly such as Witcher... Also consoles are much more convenient to set up than PCs.

I'm more active on Steam than any other system, but I still love consoles.

it's pretty dumb to think that others will only be gaming on their PC. if a console could achieve the other 100s of uses a PC does then your price comparisons may apply. but i imagine if a console could be used for all types of media creation, work, school, and the infinite other practical and non-practical uses they would also cost quite a bit more.

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#330 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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I suppose this same thread will appear for Divinity Original Sin in a few months....

I suppose its inevitable and understandable give consoles have barely any good games.... starving for PC funding games

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#331  Edited By Dasein808
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Unfortunately, the answer is quite long because I divide it into two parts. 1) Is it possible to get information about the proportion of sales W3 on each platform? We do not give detailed information on the distribution of sales Witcher 3. IN GREATLY SIMPLIFIED TERMS by the end of June 2015. 30% units sold, our latest title is the PC version and 70% are versions of the console.

I'm not going to read 7 pages of consolite stupidity, but what you mouthbreathers fail to take into account is the fact that THE GAME WAS "FREE" FOR THOSE THAT PURCHASED AN NVIDIA 970/980.

Not to mention the combining of multiple console platforms as a singular entity, but we've already done that one to death.

I don't know what software AMD cards may have offered, but I got the Witcher 3 and the batmobile game for free with my 970.

I just never redeemed my code for the the Batman game because I've never been a superhero fan.

So yeah, given NVIDIA's hardware sales, it's safe to say that the statistic this thread is based upon is less than useless, kinda like consoles these days.

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#332 AM-Gamer
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@wizard: So you don't own one that can run it at 4k 60fps? And it matters because there's a massive difference between running it with some extra frames and hitting 4k at 60fps. A PC capable of that is owned by less then about 5% of the gaming community.

PC gamers constantly act like everyone is running it on 2 thousand dollar rigs and act like that's the standard difference between the platforms.

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#333  Edited By AM-Gamer
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@-God-: Lets not argue the PS4 version alone outsold the PC version by itself.

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#334  Edited By -God-
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@AM-Gamer said:

2 thousand dollar rigs

It takes a much cheaper PC to run Witcher 3 on med/low past 19 fps.

This isn't even a contest. Witcher3 is significantly superior on PC than PS4. Anyone debating otherwise is braindead. And 5-10% of the PC userbase is far more than the number of PS4's sold. That's just ultra. Imagine how much more can run it merely better than PS4.

30% of sales from 3 platforms is great. You should however be using this energy to write angry e-mails to CDPR and get the PS4 version fixed.

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#335 Dasein808
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@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: Lets not argue the PS4 version alone outsold the PC version by itself.

Exactly, because there's no evidence that it did since it was provided as a bonus for purchasing an NVIDIA 970/980; which many did in anticipation of the game's release.

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#336  Edited By Wizard
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@AM-Gamer:

Stop deflecting towards my personal PC, the PS4 version of the game is a worse product, fact. It doesn't matter if many people have rigs capable of 4k 60fps. Most PC gamers buying AAA titles like the TW3 are running at superior quality to the PS4. Are you forgetting that 1440p and high/ultra settings at 1080p exist? PS4 is barely 30fps medium/low settings, as it isn't capable of high end graphics in big detailed environments. There aren't many modern gaming PC's who can't beat it. Your argument only holds weight if most PC gamers who bought the game can't run the game higher than medium at 30fps. Probably not the case. What is your point?

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#337  Edited By -God-
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@wizard said:

@AM-Gamer:

Stop deflecting towards my personal PC, the PS4 version of the game is a worse product, fact. It doesn't matter if many people have rigs capable of 4k 60fps. Most PC gamers buying AAA titles like the TW3 are running at superior quality to the PS4. Are you forgetting that 1440p and high/ultra settings at 1080p exist? PS4 is barely 30fps medium/low settings, as it isn't capable of high end graphics in big detailed environments. There aren't many modern gaming PC's who can't beat it. Your argument only holds weight if most PC gamers who bought the game can't run the game higher than medium at 30fps. Probably not the case. What is your point?

He has no point. He's just upset at having a much worse version of the game.

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#338 Wizard
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@-God-:

Fanboys. Its like I have to prove to him I have a 4k capable rig in order to also prove that the PC version of the game is better. We need 4k to have a noticeable IQ increase? I guess all those detail sliders included in game are useless then. Lol.

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#339  Edited By Juub1990
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@GhostHawk196 said:

As a PC gamer, I am grateful in that the consoles made Witcher 3 commercially viable. Although it would have been even nicer to have the E3 demo graphics people need to realise businesses need to make a gain. CDPojektRED made the perfect game which was also commercially viable and I hope other companies follow in their footsteps. Please for the love of god NEVER associate with EA or Activision because their strategy is purely to jib customers.

If it weren't for consoles they would have made a better looking game on a much smaller scale. There would have been much less filer content. It would have been a better game in short.

So no, I'm not grateful to consoles at all. Witcher 3 has way too much quantity over quality. I still really enjoyed it but the map didn't need to be that big and plenty of things were just repetitive and there to fill the open-world.

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#340  Edited By ArunsunK
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By the end of June they had sold 6 million total copies. 30 percent for PC and 70 for consoles. 30% of 6 million is 1.8million for PC by the end of June. Even if we take the 4 million sales numbers(two weeks) for PC with 1.3 million digital sales (source) and apply them to the 6 million PC would already take 22% of all sales digitally. Take into account the remainder of June for the other 200k and it is not a stretch at all to say that PC sold 1.5 million(25%) and is responsible for 50% of all profit not counting the remaining 5% retail. Hmm 5% of 6 million is 300k, I wonder what site claims that PC only sold 300k retail at the end of June. *cough*

To take away from this PSN/XLive sales are either included in the retail numbers or they don't sell any significant amount digitally by any margin. It seems consoles digital distro is only for Free*(paid service) games and games only available digitally.

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#341  Edited By AM-Gamer
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@wizard: Actually it's mostly medium/high with ONE setting at low. This is the shit that cracks me up about hermits. It can have one setting or two settings at low and all of a sudden it's mostly low? My point is the difference in the visual settings in TW are actually pretty mild. So your biggest advantages are going to come from res and frame rates. The majority of PC gamers that bought it may be getting a better experience but it's nowhere near the gap you claim and at the end of the day it sold better on consoles. Then you have idiots like -God- who admit to not even owning a PC so his version is the worst of all.

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#342 AM-Gamer
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@-God-: Well med/low at 19fps would be far worse then the console version but since you don't own a gaming PC you wouldn't know do you?

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#343 AM-Gamer
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@Dasein808: Not sure what your saying. These sales are from CDPR so all sales even bundles were included. Only NPD doesn't count bundled software.

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#344 GhostHawk196
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@Juub1990: Honestly the witcher 3 is the only rpg game I've played without any filler content. When I first heard the game was 200 hours I thought it was going to be like Dragon age or skyrim, all quantity no quality. After starting the game, every exclamation mark became interesting, even the mini game Gwent was mesmerising. I honestly do not think this would have been possible with a lower budget.

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#345 Juub1990
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@GhostHawk196 said:

@Juub1990: Honestly the witcher 3 is the only rpg game I've played without any filler content. When I first heard the game was 200 hours I thought it was going to be like Dragon age or skyrim, all quantity no quality. After starting the game, every exclamation mark became interesting, even the mini game Gwent was mesmerising. I honestly do not think this would have been possible with a lower budget.

The game isn't anywhere 200hrs long. More like 75hrs. I was surprised when I heard people spent 100hrs in it. I did pretty much everything and have like 71hrs of play time. Oh I didn't collect the Gwent cards so maybe that's a couple of extra hours.

You'll eventually find tracking down monsters and killing them repetitive. Go to place, use witcher sense, track monster, kill monster, collect bounty, rinse repeat. The hundreds of question marks with lazy treasure hunts are what I call filler content.

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#346 deactivated-58183aaaa31d8
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@Thunderdrone: I bought it on PS4 because I can't run it on PC and don't have any burning desire to upgrade.

If the game can sell well and make CD Projekt Red a load of money on console then that is only a good thing.

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#347  Edited By Dasein808
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@AM-Gamer said:

@Dasein808: Not sure what your saying. These sales are from CDPR so all sales even bundles were included. Only NPD doesn't count bundled software.

Wrong.

Read the actual quote from the CDPR representative:

WE DO NOT GIVE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE DISTRIBUTION OF SALES OF THE WITCHER 3.

IN GREATLY SIMPLIFIED TERMS, by the end of June 2015. 30% units sold, our latest title is the PC version and 70% are versions of the console.

Translation: Not counting bundled software (i.e. the vast majority of PC "purchasers"),

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#348  Edited By Juub1990
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@Dasein808 said:

Wrong.

Read the actual quote from the CDPR representative:

WE DO NOT GIVE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE DISTRIBUTION OF SALES OF THE WITCHER 3.

IN GREATLY SIMPLIFIED TERMS, by the end of June 2015. 30% units sold, our latest title is the PC version and 70% are versions of the console.

Translation: Not counting bundled software (i.e. the vast majority of PC "purchasers"),

Witcher 3 was offered with 960 and above cards if I remember correctly. I doubt 500K+ people bought 960's or better cards in that time frame.

Actually never mind. A few years ago it was reported the GTX 680 had sold 10M units so it's entirely possible 960's+70's+80's sold way, way above 500k.

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#349 Dasein808
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@Juub1990 said:

Witcher 3 was offered with 960 and above cards if I remember correctly. I doubt 500K+ people bought 960's or better cards in that time frame.

Actually never mind. A few years ago it was reported the GTX 680 had sold 10M units so it's entirely possible 960's+70's+80's sold way, way above 500k.

Exactly.

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#350 -God-
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@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: Well med/low at 19fps would be far worse then the console version

PS4 version is that bad aye?