With the XB1 reaching 1080p parity with the PS4...

Probably not the last time, I know you get continually upset over this. :)

No, you have say a five syllable sentence and hope your Xbone managed to catch it instead of press a button. And somehow this is easier. Durrrrr.

You're right, there is no comparison. Voice commands are a garbage gimmick. Even MS figured it out when they kneecapped the camera. :)

Nah, just do it before a game, if nothing interesting happens, just ditch it. Doesn't take long to find and edit out any crap and it stops the proliferation of shit 20 second 10 view noscope clips on Youtube. Isn't it great? And no need to wrestle with a barely-functioning camera.

No comment @tormentos?

Dumb thread is dumb. Consoles had native 1080p games in 2006. Does that mean they reached"parity" with the new machines? Derp.

The B4X meltdown about lostrib was pretty hilarious though.

Cloud is a hoax and its biggest gain is dedicated severs which is nice servers are great.

DX12 demo was on PC which has high CPU over head than consoles,DX12 is nothing more than the xbox API on PC,just like Mantle which showed CPU gains as well.On xbox one it will bring no gains because DX12 is already there and i already make a thread about this read it for fu** sake i even quote MS it self stating that they would bring XBO 3d3 API gains to PC which is what DX12 is.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/dx12-xbox-tool-done-on-pc-31228472/

From MS own mouth.

WTF...hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So you don't have a clue about Tile resources and you think ESRAM add 6GB more of ram for the XBO...hahah

My god that is sig worthy can one have sig here still.? I don't know i use to have my sig off.

Basically you confirmed that you don't know what Tile Resources is and what is does,the PS4 just need a 32MB buffer to do the same,which can be make by any developer they just use 32mb from the 4.5 GB and there you have it 6GB of textures can be store and unlike on xbox one where it has to change from 2 different memory set ups on PS4 is the same memory address.lol

That link you posted show a scenario where the PS4 CPU can consume bandwidth disproportionally not all scenarios..

http://www.explosion.com/41649/oddworld-dev-on-ps4-fact-that-memory-operates-at-172gbs-is-amazing/

One scenario doesn't equal all,oddworld developer already was operating at 172GB'/s which is faster than MS 140 to 150GB/s,but the xbox one can have 300GB/s it would not matter with that wimp GPU.

It is more accurate not mater what the gain is those GPU will not work better with a Jaguar than with an I7,since maybe that is the reason why the 7770 does 1920x1200 on Ultra on Tomb Raider when the xbox one can only do 1080p with mid to high quality and lower quality effects and 900p cut scenes on Tomb Raider so unless you show me that the xbox one can even beat a 7770 you have no argument here,i am been generous the 7770 is outperforming the xbox one and i am using it to represent it,hell i use the 250X which is a refresh a tap faster than the 7770.

The PS3 vs the 360 in nothing compare to the xbox one and PS4.

Xenos >>>>>RSX.

Cell >>>>>>>>>Xenon.

Cell was a CPU hybrid and early day APU is you will it was like having dual GPU smart guy,sony could offload GPU task to Cell,that is because sony intended to use 2 Cell on the PS3 and found out Cell wasn't as good as a stand alone GPU,so they put late a GPU from Nvidia,but there RSX was capable of doing GPU task which free GPU time which helped the PS3 not to stay close but to even surpass the xbox 360.

The scenario we have now is this.

Jaguar CPU equal on both.

GPU from the same family on both the PS4 one is just stronger.

No there wasn't no hole the PS3 CPU was a hybrid CPU something the xbox one CPU is not is the same hardware on both..lol

Never have 2 consoles been so alike hardware wise the only real difference is ESRAM and DDR3 which are not i repeat which are not a damn advantage for the xbox one in any way.

And i did make a reply to this post already i don't know why they didn't get in,this is in response of your post calling me out for not replying to you i did the post just didn't get in apparently.

The PS4 is unbalanced and bottlenecked, in real world terms the PS4 hasn't got a huge advantage. The Xbox One does benefit from a better software stack and cloud compute. Its only getting started, it will be like the rabbit & hare story but my only concern is that Sony may not be around as they are going down the crapper.

@tormentos

@b4x said:

Prove to me using PC benchmarks to represent consoles is accurate. You have already went on record the that schematics of the X1 and PS4 were the same. Which is complete horse shit.

Now you're trying to tell me a GPU in a console means everything...

If that's the case smart guy... Why does Uncharted and the Last of Us rival the X360 superior gpu games...You know why..... I'll let you pull something out of your ass on this one. Then I'll explain why for you.

Holes my friend HOLES.

It is more accurate not mater what the gain is those GPU will not work better with a Jaguar than with an I7,since maybe that is the reason why the 7770 does 1920x1200 on Ultra on Tomb Raider when the xbox one can only do 1080p with mid to high quality and lower quality effects and 900p cut scenes on Tomb Raider so unless you show me that the xbox one can even beat a 7770 you have no argument here,i am been generous the 7770 is outperforming the xbox one and i am using it to represent it,hell i use the 250X which is a refresh a tap faster than the 7770.

The PS3 vs the 360 in nothing compare to the xbox one and PS4.

Xenos >>>>>RSX.

Cell >>>>>>>>>Xenon.

Cell was a CPU hybrid and early day APU is you will it was like having dual GPU smart guy,sony could offload GPU task to Cell,that is because sony intended to use 2 Cell on the PS3 and found out Cell wasn't as good as a stand alone GPU,so they put late a GPU from Nvidia,but there RSX was capable of doing GPU task which free GPU time which helped the PS3 not to stay close but to even surpass the xbox 360.

The scenario we have now is this.

Jaguar CPU equal on both.

GPU from the same family on both the PS4 one is just stronger.

No there wasn't no hole the PS3 CPU was a hybrid CPU something the xbox one CPU is not is the same hardware on both..lol

Never have 2 consoles been so alike hardware wise the only real difference is ESRAM and DDR3 which are not i repeat which are not a damn advantage for the xbox one in any way.

And i did make a reply to this post already i don't know why they didn't get in,this is in response of your post calling me out for not replying to you i did the post just didn't get in apparently.

@b4x said:

So basically you have no argument ok...hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

But but tormentos replay to me...hahahaaa

@tormentos said:

@b4x said:

So basically you have no argument ok...hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

But but tormentos replay to me...hahahaaa

There's no place to start... Stick with one story.

I give you a scenario where Console games are outpacing the performance of their respective GPU's by way more than 20%. Uncharted, Halo 4, Last of Us, Gears 3...... Then you go back to tell me it's the CPU or just maybe the console architecture and environment... Make up your mind man. You're all over the place.

Before you say it again. The API and architecture in the PS4 and X1 are NOT alike. The hardware yes. The way they make a picture on your screen is a big NO.

So what is it.... PC benchmarks= Console benchmarks...? or are you telling me I'm right and you can't go by just slapping 2 different GPU's in a PC and saying these benchmarks are facts... when comparing the two different environments of the X1 and PS4.

How can you use PC benchmarks to make a point after saying what you just stated in your last post?

Your claims are kind of contradicting the whole PC benchmark theory. Are they not?

PC benchmarks are theoretical... when comparing console hardware and environments. You know this is a fact, why do you keep grasping onto the BS... When every article that has benched these consoles in PC environments has "Clauses". If they don't have clauses. They're full of shit. You know this.

So what is it?

Do you even know the specs of each console? The Xone is the one that is unbalanced and bottlenecked, with the slower GPU and memory. Developers have been working they're asses off to get the Xone versions running at 1080p, while on the PS4 it's much easier. It's about optimizing the game for each platform, but there is no doubt that had they optimized the PS4 version even more, they could easily have added more graphical effects, or even physics. It has more power, and it's easy to work with.

No you walking pancake,Cell was a CPU capable of doing GPU task you don't comprehend this because you know sh** about hardwre,that mean if both games need it to run 5 jobs unlike the xbox 360 GPU which would do most of the heavy lifting,on PS3 those jobs would not have been handle solely by the RSX which would have cripple its performance since it wasn't as capable of running everything as the Xenos was,so the jobs got split and the CPU actually lifted 2 or more of the process from the GPU which helped the RSX actually reach its peak easier.

Yeah they are not Sony ones are actually faster than MS API stated by developers it self,was behind sony in APi as well,so if your argument here is that MS can do things that sony can't by software you are completely wrong there is a reason why PRT is also on xbox one but is call Tile Resources don't let the name fool you,both are the same sh** because everything one can do by API so can the other do it as well.

Which is something you don't want to admit,the PS4 is not bound by legacy and sony will always push it to its limits,if there is one of the to that will push the console to its limits is sony is basically a tradition on PS consoles.

Benchmarks on PC no matter what will perform better with an i7 period,i already prove my point the 7770 out does the xbox one in several games,what does that tell you.?

No i didn't saying anything on my post that contradict anything period,the PS3 beating the 360 graphically had to do more with the CPU than with its architecture it self.

The CPU was the key component there,the CPU on xbox one is the same crap.

No you buffoon what is theoretical are the paper specs the performance on benchmarks actually show real time performance under gaming,theoretical my ass you don't even know the difference between theoretical and real time benchmark.

Just the paper specs mean nothing, in real world terms the PS4 has little advantage of the XB1

Don't mind Insipid8, he likes Xbox more than is healthy.

Like I said M$ only provided the hardware for the cloud it's up to these guys to try and make their middleware work, but judging from the company's they have on board already they must have came up with something tangible.

cloudgine.com

"We're delivering rendering and processing power from the cloud, allowing game creators to define new ground-breaking online gaming mechanics." That's what it says on their front page.

http://www.cloudgine.com/technology.html

This page shows who they are collaborating with right now. Not just Microsoft, but HAvok, Nvidia, and Epic. Just from Epic's support we can already expect UE4 to support cloudgine's middleware for cloud based rendering.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/dx12-xbox-tool-done-on-pc-31228472/ From your own link "The Xbox One graphics API is “Direct3D 11.x” and the Xbox One hardware provides a superset of Direct3D 11.2 functionality. Other graphics APIs such as OpenGL and AMD’s Mantle are not available on Xbox One." Your thread is about DX12 not doubling Xbox one gpu not DX12 being on xbox one now.

Basically you confirmed that you don't know what Tile Resources is and what is does,the PS4 just need a 32MB buffer to do the same,which can be make by any developer they just use 32mb from the 4.5 GB and there you have it 6GB of textures can be store and unlike on xbox one where it has to change from 2 different memory set ups on PS4 is the same memory address.lol

Obviously you don't have a clue about esram I bet you tried to Google some info to debunk the whole 32mb=6gb of textures but you can't it's the first thing to pop up when you search xbox esram. And to a point I agree that PS4 could do the same thing which is why I think M$ made Dx12 exclusive to M$ platforms, as of right now PS4 uses opengl and you have no way of doing this in opengl right now, you see Infamous second son used pretty much all of the PS4's ram. Not to mention in order to fit those textures in esram I'm thinking they would have to be heavily compressed, Xbox has DMA engines to uncompress and move files very fast and the DMA engine work by themselves without the help of the cpu or gpu. On PS4 if those files needed to be uncompressed either the cpu or gpu would have to get involved to do so, when files need to be sent from esram to main memory it can be done without using cpu or gpu time on xbone.

After reading the above post you can see how using tiled textures the way the xbox one does wouldn't really mesh with the PS4's architecture, especially seeing as how the more you use the cpu the less bandwidth you have for the gpu so uncompressing and moving textures on the fly would not be an ideal scenario for PS.

Didn't rebellion devs already say xbox esram was faster than PS4 gddr5 "But definitely there’s this eSRAM. PS4 has 8GB and it’s almost as fast as eSRAM [bandwidth wise] but at the same time you can go a little bit further with it" Notice how he said almost as fast as esram.

It's you who really knows nothing about hardware. Keep blindly copying and pasting info without taking the time to comprehend it.

Given time, things will even out. Maybe even the gaming community will be less shit. lol

Barely. A bit of editing you have to do anyway isn't balanced by having to use the appalling, disastrous, Kinect atrocity.

Pressing a button is more convenient than shouting at your camera and hoping it complies. My sides are in orbit.

It does what you ask because you had to change your entire speaking pattern for it to recognise you. Unfortunately strangers now think you are quite slow when they speak to you. :(

I have, actually. Was fun seeing all the failed attempts to start Ryse. More fun than the actual game.

Better hope your glorious clip isn't longer than 30 seconds. On the plus side, that's your average lem's attention span.

Funny, all the times I've seen people say they had to change the way they speak to get the Kinect to recognise their commands. Benefit of already sounding slow, I guess.

Like I said, Kinect voice commands are pretty much universally recognised as a pointless gimmick, so I won the argument before it started.

All that is joke Havok work with Physics,Physics run on CPU which is what the xbox one can offload,the xbox one can offload Physics to the cloud as long as the results are not need it to be in the same frame.

Online connection lack the bandwidth to deliver data fast enough.

What do you quoted there from my thread doesn't suit your argument,in fact read all the post and you will see why DX12 = the XBO tools on PC..hahahaa

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2013/4-063

This ^^ is the link you posted on another thread,now start the video from 0 and you will hear him say it will work on console and PC will you mind pointing to me the GPU on PC with ESRAM.?

Since you basically claim that this doesn't work on PS4 and that ESRAM give it an edge i want to ask you why MS say PC when no PC GPU has ESRAM on it.?

In fact that demo which you linked was done on PC and demo on a PC not xbox one,so all the GPU need it to do 3GB of textures on 16MB you walking pancake was 16MB of the GPU memory,in other words the PS4 only need 16MB from its 4.5 GB memory to do that,and not the stupidity you claimed a few days ago,were you claimed the PS4 would need 6GB but only has 4.5..lol

Tribes already use PRT on both platforms and was 1080p on PS4 900p on xbox one and had bigger frame drops on XBO as well.

You have basically a PHD in stupidity,OpenGL has support PRT since 2011 on PC,when MS will support it on late 2015 with DX12,so basically it was MS who was late,and the PS4 can use Opengl but the most used tool is GNM which isn't Opengl or DX.

Wrapping things up, for the time being while Southern Islands will bring hardware support for PRT software support will remain limited. As D3D is not normally extensible it’s really only possible to easily access the feature from other APIs (e.g. OpenGL), which when it comes to games is going to greatly limit the adoption of the technology. AMD of course is working on the issue, but there are few ways around D3D’s tight restrictions on non-standard features.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/6

Hahah you know shit about what your talking..hahahaa

Tile Resources has been supported on GCN by OpenGL since 2011..ahahahaa And there are already a game on PS4 that uses it and performs better on PS4 than xbox one..hahaha

Tribes Fusion...hahahaa

The PS4 has 2 Data move engines they are call DMA,for the 100 times stop saying sh**,MS changed the came again to trick suckers like you DME and DMA are the same,just like Tile Resources and Partially Resident Textures which MS pretended was something new..hahaha

Nop that was an example from sony on what not to do,on a game developers conference,already was a game using 172Gb/s from the 176Gb's pool so wring again..lol

Rebellion? Rebellion Rebellion oh i remember now who Rebellion is...hahahahaaa

They make this game which has as big as 19FPS gap on this video ^^ in favor of the PS4,which also have higher quality effects on PS4,which also has a horrible screen tearing which need it to be patch,so if you chose to active V-synch to lower the screen tearing problems then you get even more screwed by the PS4 version.

This is what happen when you active V-synch which on PS4 is on by default i may add,on XBO was added as a patch,because on the original release Rebellion let it off to speed off frames on xbox one because while V-synch the XBO version wasn't even close to the PS4 one.

Even with V-synch off the XBO version loss for as much as 19FPS,when V-synch is on the xbox one version lock into 30FPS and the PS4 command a devastating gap that can be as big as 30FPS double the frames of the xbox one,you chose the worse the developer to quote,as its game show one of the biggest recorded gaps of the PS4 vs the xbox one alone side Tomb Raider.

Average like 20FPS when the xbo is V-synch,is not even close..

You know why this happen.?

Because regardless of the so call bandwidth the xbox one can have,it mean sh** when your GPU is a 7770 like or weaker,it could have 300Gb/s it would still mean sh** with the GPU it has,like i already told you the 660TI has almost 100GB/s less in bandwidth than the 7950 yet both perform about the same and the 660TI win in several test.

You have been owned again...

Rebellion Game to become irrelevant in 10,9,8,7,6......lol

Got a very neutral, non-regional southern British accent. Probably the best one for something temperamental like the wagglecam.

That's nice for you. It's also nice that the wagglecam is, for all your shilling for it, pretty much pointless and worthless and doesn't deserve to exist. It's pretty obvious neither of us are going to change the other's mind so there we go. But when MS recognises my point to the extent they kneecapped it to try and drive sales, yeah, you ain't got a leg to stand on.

Nice work implying I'm missing out on these garbage features. I've had a smartphone for three years and never once felt the need to speak to it, or any else of my electronics.

It's great we solved that riddle, Simon. You want to turn up at my front door with a bouquet of roses and a box of Milk Tray? Join the queue. ;)

Funnily enough, my phone has voice recognition for url input instead of using the tiny on-screen keyboard, but I still prefer the keyboard because it's substantially less stupid.

Wow, how next gen. Well worth the $100/£80 markup. GG MS.

Muddled? If you're a simpleton, maybe. Pressing a button once doesn't qualify as that, but I constantly underestimate the incompetence of lems.

Thing is, better frame rate and resolution is fact, "better and useful features" is subjective. Ditto with the controller. Online? Whatever. Always been auxiliary as far as I'm concerned, especially when they don't have the longevity because the community inevitably moves on.

If your post holds any water explain "Gears 1 to Gears 3" and "Halo 3 to Halo 4". "Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 3 - Last of Us" Those games alone prove my POINT. Pc's are not reliable test beds for consoles. If you're trying to tell me which hardware is better in a PC environment. Then yes I believe you. That's not what you're doing. You are saying these PC Benchmarks you spam are facts.

It does not matter if the processor is an I5 or I7... or if the graphics cards are different. What part of that don't you understand? The disclaimer is NOT about the hardware. The disclaimer is about the API's and closed environment. Not the hardware. Mister Spinner.

Please don't tell me how the PS3 works guy. I'm aware. With it's split ram and cell architecture. Copying texture packs several times on one blu-ray disk to achieve goals. Because of the 2x speed of the Blu-ray player. My examples still show games exceeding the GPU's in the consoles by 20%. Just like you asked.

Also the games I mentioned blow your whole PC benchmarks = Gospel BS out of the water. So when developers start writing code for the balanced CPU threads that are NOT implemented in the API of the X1 or PS4 at this point. Does that change anything? Most games out right now Are CPU thread 0 heavy . With most games not even accessing the additional 7 cores. Read the digital foundry article with the Metro developer or the article with Infinity Ward... That state their games are not evening the workload across the CPU cores of the X1. That are relying on brute force to make their games at this point.

Also show me one game using Tiled resources on the X1 at this point...... None are. Why even bring that up? What happens to your PC benchmark theory when tiled resources go into play?

Software is software. The theoretical benchmarks they are doing on the PC to compare these systems are CPU thread 0 dependent also. Relying heavily on the GPUs for the workload.

Your PC benchmarks are a complete Joke. You know this mister spinner. Just because they output the same image on your TV. That makes them the same? Are you high? You sit in here and act like these API's in these systems are going to remain the same.... You act as if PS4 and X1 developers aren't going to push these consoles to the limit, and discover different coding techniques to utilize these consoles.

If that is the case........ PC bench marks are not Valid.

I want to make this very clear with this EDIT. This has nothing to do with console power. It was never about power. No matter how you try to spin it. I know the PS4 has a better GPU.

wow b4x vs el tormo...

everybody loses

Who's right? Don't say neither. If you do, me and you can have a hardware debate.

He keeps trying to spin this into a "which machine is more powerful debate...." I'm telling him ONLY.. You cannot use PC benchmarks to get a true sense of what these console can achieve. Why he keeps spinning... I have no clue. He thinks I'm trying to say one is more powerful than the other.

I have no clue where he's pulling this shit from... I'm not claiming anything about power.

@b4x: I didn't read it

So just a troll post?

@b4x: an observation

A flag worthy observation?

@b4x: doubtful. But if you have any questions I'm sure the mods can help you

although i would avoid bothering Gamespot again, I'm sure they're tired of hearing from you

First part) That's all I'm telling him. He keeps spamming PC benchmarks as facts... /smh

Secong Part) I'm sure you have seen the schematics of the X1 and PS4? How they achieve their goals?

You would have to see them to say their similar right? Could you give me a breakdown of these facts from a reputable article? Since you guys claim this? I would honestly like to see where you are getting this information. AnandTech, Beyond 3-D, ars technical, digital foundry?

From what every DEV that has talked about the two systems, as I recall. They are nothing alike? A little info on this subject would be helpful.

I know the hardware is alike. Getting the code to the TV... Is that alike?

I imagine when you're involved. With your drive by posting habits. Derail attempts. Trolling.

I'll bet they love the way you take ownership of their website, or brag about people being suspended. With your armchair moderation of the forums.

You're such an amazing asset for Gamespot. You're the reason people come here to post. My bad people don't come here. They leave or get banned because of you. My mistake.

You can blame it on the design of the website though. Which I don't mind. You do have a job to do though. /amiright?

I edit for you lostrib.

Yes I do have a job

and people (like you) get banned/suspended for their own actions, not because of anything I did. Take responsibility for your own terrible actions.

Also, "you're" means "you are"

You try way to hard.

*too

As if this thread wasn't already awkward enough, lulz.

Parity Achieved

@lostrib: Too* hundred posts a day on this forum of attacking people.

I lostrib have a Job. My ass you do. I live on a forum with a job also..... My boss loves my multi-tasking SKiLLZ! Way to rip off your employer if you do have a job.../golfclap

Yep, I have a job. Not sure why that makes you so upset all the time

@tormentos:

So you mean to tell me a company started that site as a joke and that Nvidia, Havok, M$, and Epic are all on board as part of some joke?

Here is the gpu with dram you asked for M$ has more insight on the tech industry than Sony ever will, they work with companies like AMD, Nvidia, IBM, Intel on a daily basis.

in other words the PS4 only need 16MB from its 4.5 GB memory to do that,and not the stupidity you claimed a few days ago,were you claimed the PS4 would need 6GB but only has 4.5..lol

Which is exactly why I said it's the only reason I think M$ made DX an Microsoft system exclusive. Ps4 is Directx ready so if Sony could have used Directx it would have made things even harder for M$.

In the tech industry you can't just take someone else's work and label it your own. If that was the case with TIled Resources M$ would be getting sued out the ass, they probably just made one little change in the code to avoid a lawsuit, or maybe by implementing a workaround ion Dx12 that saved them.

So you say.

parity, huh?.....HHAHAHAHAHAHAHA