(?)Would you play a game with an openly hom0sexual protagonist

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

If the gameplay is good and they are not over the top, in your face about it the whole time, then sure.

I mean damn, people play God of War don't they? And those games have sh*t gameplay.

ohgeez

I pretty sur man on man sex part of the Greek Warlord package.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="RandomWinner"]

YES I get to prove someone wrong with INFORMATION!!!

Sorry, I've been reading a book called Genome and they cover how evolution would allow this. If a so called gay gene" were to exist, those who have it wouldn't exactly be the ones reproducing. Which makes sense. BUT!!!! If said gene has another function, like say, making a woman's breasts bigger, making her appear more fertile, the gene would prosper. The sex genes are competitive, so although the gene may not make the woman gay it can cause a malfunction (which is a HORRIBLE word choice but I digress) on the Y chromosome. Statistically, it is most common for a gay man to have a gay uncle on the mother's side because it is passed through the female blood line. This is just a theory, but this is how it would be possible from an evolutionary perspective.

So to recap (because I'm bad at explaining things) it does make evolutionary sense if the gay gene" nets her a better mate because she appears more fertile (which is proven to be what straight men are attracted to). Thus, the gay gene is passed through the female bloodline for generations. I can't explain lesbians though (although I'm sure there's an explanation).

I'm fairly confident its a biological thing.

EDIT: I will say the important thing is that they have the same rights as everyone else, and we agree on that.

ShadowMoses900

Boom, right here, read the same book.

Umm...no, just because you read some book doesn't mean anything. First off there wouldn't be homosexuals if it was genetic, I happento know identical twins and one is gay but the other isn't. Identitical means they look the same and share the same exact dna and genetic structure, but only ONE is gay Also the goal of a species is to pass on it's genes, of course we humans are quite different and don't have as much a need for that anymore. But there couldn't be a gay gene because it wouldn't have survived early human evolution.

Also animals don't mate for pleasure, they do so soley to reproduce. Sometimes they do mount the same sex but that's an act of dominance and not sexual pleasure, dogs do it to each other all the time. Of course though there isn't enough evidence to suggest either way, but you can believe whatever you want just like I do. I was just showing how the genetic argument is very flawed.

Oh this is cute, I guess I would trust a guy who cited his research and knows his way around molecular genetics than some random poster on Gamespot. SO one set of identical twins, your anecdotal evidence, destroys ALL other research? Fabulous, simply perfect right there. Randomwinner went into more depth with specific examples regarding the genetic angle, and I posted similar ideas in another thread. Sorry, I guess I have more reason to believe the research presented regarding the possibility of genetics rather then some twins a poster on Gamespot knows.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="RandomWinner"]

YES I get to prove someone wrong with INFORMATION!!!

Sorry, I've been reading a book called Genome and they cover how evolution would allow this. If a so called gay gene" were to exist, those who have it wouldn't exactly be the ones reproducing. Which makes sense. BUT!!!! If said gene has another function, like say, making a woman's breasts bigger, making her appear more fertile, the gene would prosper. The sex genes are competitive, so although the gene may not make the woman gay it can cause a malfunction (which is a HORRIBLE word choice but I digress) on the Y chromosome. Statistically, it is most common for a gay man to have a gay uncle on the mother's side because it is passed through the female blood line. This is just a theory, but this is how it would be possible from an evolutionary perspective.

So to recap (because I'm bad at explaining things) it does make evolutionary sense if the gay gene" nets her a better mate because she appears more fertile (which is proven to be what straight men are attracted to). Thus, the gay gene is passed through the female bloodline for generations. I can't explain lesbians though (although I'm sure there's an explanation).

I'm fairly confident its a biological thing.

EDIT: I will say the important thing is that they have the same rights as everyone else, and we agree on that.

ShadowMoses900

Boom, right here, read the same book.

Umm...no, just because you read some book doesn't mean anything. First off there wouldn't be homosexuals if it was genetic, I happento know identical twins and one is gay but the other isn't. Identitical means they look the same and share the same exact dna and genetic structure, but only ONE is gay Also the goal of a species is to pass on it's genes, of course we humans are quite different and don't have as much a need for that anymore. But there couldn't be a gay gene because it wouldn't have survived early human evolution.

Also animals don't mate for pleasure, they do so soley to reproduce. Sometimes they do mount the same sex but that's an act of dominance and not sexual pleasure, dogs do it to each other all the time. Of course though there isn't enough evidence to suggest either way, but you can believe whatever you want just like I do. I was just showing how the genetic argument is very flawed.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

Boom, right here, read the same book.

ohgeez

Umm...no, just because you read some book doesn't mean anything. First off there wouldn't be homosexuals if it was genetic, I happento know identical twins and one is gay but the other isn't. Identitical means they look the same and share the same exact dna and genetic structure, but only ONE is gay Also the goal of a species is to pass on it's genes, of course we humans are quite different and don't have as much a need for that anymore. But there couldn't be a gay gene because it wouldn't have survived early human evolution.

Also animals don't mate for pleasure, they do so soley to reproduce. Sometimes they do mount the same sex but that's an act of dominance and not sexual pleasure, dogs do it to each other all the time. Of course though there isn't enough evidence to suggest either way, but you can believe whatever you want just like I do. I was just showing how the genetic argument is very flawed.

This guy gets it :idea:

had a friend got kicked out of his house because he was caught playing Magic the Gathering and they thought it was satanismlamprey263

That sounds way too far-fetched.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="RandomWinner"]

YES I get to prove someone wrong with INFORMATION!!!

Sorry, I've been reading a book called Genome and they cover how evolution would allow this. If a so called gay gene" were to exist, those who have it wouldn't exactly be the ones reproducing. Which makes sense. BUT!!!! If said gene has another function, like say, making a woman's breasts bigger, making her appear more fertile, the gene would prosper. The sex genes are competitive, so although the gene may not make the woman gay it can cause a malfunction (which is a HORRIBLE word choice but I digress) on the Y chromosome. Statistically, it is most common for a gay man to have a gay uncle on the mother's side because it is passed through the female blood line. This is just a theory, but this is how it would be possible from an evolutionary perspective.

So to recap (because I'm bad at explaining things) it does make evolutionary sense if the gay gene" nets her a better mate because she appears more fertile (which is proven to be what straight men are attracted to). Thus, the gay gene is passed through the female bloodline for generations. I can't explain lesbians though (although I'm sure there's an explanation).

I'm fairly confident its a biological thing.

EDIT: I will say the important thing is that they have the same rights as everyone else, and we agree on that.

ShadowMoses900

Boom, right here, read the same book.

Umm...no, just because you read some book doesn't mean anything. First off there wouldn't be homosexuals if it was genetic, I happento know identical twins and one is gay but the other isn't. Identitical means they look the same and share the same exact dna and genetic structure, but only ONE is gay Also the goal of a species is to pass on it's genes, of course we humans are quite different and don't have as much a need for that anymore. But there couldn't be a gay gene because it wouldn't have survived early human evolution.

Also animals don't mate for pleasure, they do so soley to reproduce. Sometimes they do mount the same sex but that's an act of dominance and not sexual pleasure, dogs do it to each other all the time. Of course though there isn't enough evidence to suggest either way, but you can believe whatever you want just like I do. I was just showing how the genetic argument is very flawed.

Yes especially if they were lesbians...

In all seriousness though it would not matter to me as long as they are well thought at characters in a cool story or atleast flashy like in DMC.

Idk about games that would just center around the character's sexual orientation... If it was good sure.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

Boom, right here, read the same book.

cainetao11

Umm...no, just because you read some book doesn't mean anything. First off there wouldn't be homosexuals if it was genetic, I happento know identical twins and one is gay but the other isn't. Identitical means they look the same and share the same exact dna and genetic structure, but only ONE is gay Also the goal of a species is to pass on it's genes, of course we humans are quite different and don't have as much a need for that anymore. But there couldn't be a gay gene because it wouldn't have survived early human evolution.

Also animals don't mate for pleasure, they do so soley to reproduce. Sometimes they do mount the same sex but that's an act of dominance and not sexual pleasure, dogs do it to each other all the time. Of course though there isn't enough evidence to suggest either way, but you can believe whatever you want just like I do. I was just showing how the genetic argument is very flawed.

And...this guy missed the point. This isn't a pamphlet off the street, it's dealing with a author well versed in genetics and cites other scientific articles during the presentation of his information. The whole point wasn't saying that the reason for homosexuality was genetics, it was shooting down the misconceptions that it couldn't be genetics because of lines such as "how could a gay gene pass if don't reproduce?". Should we forget that Biology textbook you read and say "eh mitosis, I don't think it happens so it's not true" or forget that history book "eh, George Washington didn't really do that, just conspiracy". It's one thing to blindly follow something unsubstantiated, it's another to look at something with potential when they cite various scientific articles to back up their claims.

Depends, if the game was fun and it wasn't obnoxious sure I would at least try it. But I'm not gonna stomach it being shoved in my face, I can't stand when heterosexual people are in your face with their relationships, why would I want to see that with a gay or lesbian person?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

Boom, right here, read the same book.

ohgeez

Umm...no, just because you read some book doesn't mean anything. First off there wouldn't be homosexuals if it was genetic, I happento know identical twins and one is gay but the other isn't. Identitical means they look the same and share the same exact dna and genetic structure, but only ONE is gay Also the goal of a species is to pass on it's genes, of course we humans are quite different and don't have as much a need for that anymore. But there couldn't be a gay gene because it wouldn't have survived early human evolution.

Also animals don't mate for pleasure, they do so soley to reproduce. Sometimes they do mount the same sex but that's an act of dominance and not sexual pleasure, dogs do it to each other all the time. Of course though there isn't enough evidence to suggest either way, but you can believe whatever you want just like I do. I was just showing how the genetic argument is very flawed.

We will agree to disagree then, but I think we both agree that gay people shouldn't be bashed or persecuted. And that's what's really important wether or not we disagree with thelifestyle.

[QUOTE="ohgeez"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Umm...no, just because you read some book doesn't mean anything. First off there wouldn't be homosexuals if it was genetic, I happento know identical twins and one is gay but the other isn't. Identitical means they look the same and share the same exact dna and genetic structure, but only ONE is gay Also the goal of a species is to pass on it's genes, of course we humans are quite different and don't have as much a need for that anymore. But there couldn't be a gay gene because it wouldn't have survived early human evolution.

Also animals don't mate for pleasure, they do so soley to reproduce. Sometimes they do mount the same sex but that's an act of dominance and not sexual pleasure, dogs do it to each other all the time. Of course though there isn't enough evidence to suggest either way, but you can believe whatever you want just like I do. I was just showing how the genetic argument is very flawed.

ShadowMoses900

We will agree to disagree then, but I think we both agree that gay people shouldn't be bashed or persecuted. And that's what's really important wether or not we disagree with thelifestyle.

ITT people that know nothing about biology debate about biology

keep it coming, system wars

Sure. It would be a fabulous game!

The irony in mentioning JRPGs is Japanese gamers would probably be far less receptive to this.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="ohgeez"] Actually, outside the fact that homosexual genes have already been proven to exist in other species, identical twin studies support genetic theory for homosexuality more than anything, your anecdotal story means nothing. What else... a lot of things with no use to us have survived human evolution and animals mate for pleasure! Do some reading on it dude!princeofshapeir

We will agree to disagree then, but I think we both agree that gay people shouldn't be bashed or persecuted. And that's what's really important wether or not we disagree with thelifestyle.

What qualifies you to know about biology?

Wouldn't bother me, but I'd probably question why the character choice was made if there was no plot point associated with it. I'd find it a bit cheese if the decision was made just to be different.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="ohgeez"] Actually, outside the fact that homosexual genes have already been proven to exist in other species, identical twin studies support genetic theory for homosexuality more than anything, your anecdotal story means nothing. What else... a lot of things with no use to us have survived human evolution and animals mate for pleasure! Do some reading on it dude!princeofshapeir

We will agree to disagree then, but I think we both agree that gay people shouldn't be bashed or persecuted. And that's what's really important wether or not we disagree with thelifestyle.

ITT people that no nothing about biology debate about biology

keep it coming, system wars

Feel free to correct them. Not everything said was entirely correct but I'm interested to see what you have to say if you can say they "no" nothing about Biology.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="Tikeio"]

JRPGs? Androgynous and flamboyant/openly gay are two different things though.

A lot of Japanese bands/singers wear similar hairstyles.

I don't see how it relates to anything gay.They just look more feminine than masculine, but they still act like "normal" guys.

Take this guy for example:

[spoiler] Don't look directly into his eyes :P [/spoiler]

He's not gay but he clearly looks VERY feminine. I'd put him in the same category as Prince. :lol:

Sure, as long as there's a reason for so and it adds to the game in some way, I don't see why not.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

We will agree to disagree then, but I think we both agree that gay people shouldn't be bashed or persecuted. And that's what's really important wether or not we disagree with thelifestyle.

ActicEdge

What qualifies you to know about biology?

i'm not going to waste time going into depth on why neither of the two are correct. homosexuality is the hot-button issue of the nature vs. nurture debate, and the general consensus is that it's a combination of genetic and environmental factors that determines one's sexuality.

and with regards to the twin anecdote: traits are expressed with age, and shadowmoses900 falls into the trap of thinking identical DNA = exact same twins. if homosexuality is genetic, it's entirely possible that one twin recieved that trait as a result of mutation and expressed it later due to puberty and discovery of sexual identity.

ITT people that know nothing about biology debate about biology

keep it coming, system wars

princeofshapeir

Unfortunately that is how it is. It reminds me when people argued about when a decade actually starts and related stuff. Most people didn't even seemed to now what cardinal and ordinal numbers are and what a zero is and stuff like the number line. Yet they were good for telling others when a decade actually starts and how ignorant they were for not knowing it.

Maybe. Depends on the genre.

Millions of people did

But seriosuly Gears 3 is all about homoerotism. Just look at Cliff Bleszinski

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] ITT people that no nothing about biology debate about biology keep it coming, system warsprinceofshapeir

What qualifies you to know about biology?

i'm not going to waste time going into depth on why neither of the two are correct. homosexuality is the hot-button issue of the nature vs. nurture debate, and the general consensus is that it's a combination of genetic and environmental factors that determines one's sexuality.

and with regards to the twin anecdote: traits are expressed with age, and shadowmoses900 falls into the trap of thinking identical DNA = exact same twins. if homosexuality is genetic, it's entirely possible that one twin recieved that trait as a result of mutation and expressed it later due to puberty and discovery of sexual identity.

i already kinda do

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"]Reading this thread, I am simply amazed at how much bigotry still exists in 2012.. A gay man does not choose to be gay Just as you do not choose to be straight. If something doesnt appeal to you, that doesnt mean you should be intolerant of it. And some of these people claim to be religeous? I thought religion was supposed to morally guide human beings, not a law to be followed. if any of these bigots meet god one day, Im pretty sure hell slap them round the face for not following the most important guide from him..... Be good to your fellow man. Surely this applies if someone likes a bit of sausage or pork in cider. If they are black or white, if they are rich or poor. Anyone claiming to follow god that disagress should be ashamed of themselves. ShadowMoses900

I'm sorry but was your post directed towards me? Just because I disagree with gay lifestyle doesn't make me a bigot, I already said that earlier. You are right about religion though, it's about loving God and loving your neighborh regardless. But I addressed that too.

[QUOTE="BibiMaghoo"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The men in prison say otherwisse, I personally know a some gay people aswell and some of them say they were born that way and others say it was their upbringin/some life event that made them that way.

Either way there is't any evidence to suggest that people are born gay (makes no sense from an evolutionary prespective) or they chose it. Anyoe saying otherwise are often pushing an agenda, I personally believe that it's their enviornement. In any case I do agree that they should have the same rights as everyone else, and I'm a religious person saying this.

whiskeystrike

Did you post it to 4ch?

If the character is female - yes :lol:

i have gay friend but i dont watch tv show or play video game with too much gay stuff in it .

You can create a man in drag in Saints Row:The Third. That's gotta count for something.

As long as that game isn't hide the salami :twisted: then I guess it's okay but I'd rather not TBH. :P

If the game is good, that's all that matters to me.

As long as there's no outlandish gay sex scenes I don't care.

Demonjoe93

I would play it. Gotta try all games at least once.

Doesn't really matter to me what happens to the main character, if they make a good story, I can't really complain.

Unless that was the focus of the game and its story I wouldn't care

If the game has a large emphasis on it, then no. I don't want it to constantly remind me that the MC is a gay.

I'd find an outlandish homosexual character as annoying as an outlandish heterosexual one.