Wow. Do people honestly expect ps4 to be stronger than 720?

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#1 reach3
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Really? Look at Sony's financial situation, there is no way they are going to risk a full on bankuptcy and go powerhouse at $400-$500 to just please a small minority of gamers. It is completely stupid to believe that, (unless you are a cow).

The 720 is set up to be the undoubted strngest console, and Microsoft has plenty of money to do so. If you believe ps4 will be stronger, you seriously need to either take off your fanboy goggles, or go to business school and learn a thing or two.

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#3 R3FURBISHED
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Its stupid to assume you understand a company from looking at them from the outside. We have no idea what Microsoft and Sony's next consoles will be.
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#4 Chris_Williams
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I expect the best of the best from sony

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#5 ispeakfact
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Well of course. Who wouldn't? :( Oh....right. :cool:
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#6 KBFloYd
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i bet its going to be the HD twins part 2....where the games look the same on both systems.

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#7 MonsieurX
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Wow. Do reach3 honestly expect 720 to be stronger than PS4?

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#8 deactivated-609eda8a7edd0
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Has the HD Twins pissing contest already started? I'll come back in about 2 years when it will be bearly relevant.

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#9 archvile_78
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Wow. Do reach3 honestly expect 720 to be stronger than PS4?

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#10 BPoole96
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Wow. Do reach3 honestly expect 720 to be stronger than PS4?

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#11 olart4618
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Ms have a lot of $, but I believe their plans are different from a hardcore console
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#12 SPYDER0416
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Wow. Do reach3 honestly expect 720 to be stronger than PS4?

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#13 santoron
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It's completely stupid to get worked up over something you know nothing about, cannot change, and will be revealed to all In good time.
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#14 Tykain
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So you think because MS has more money they are more likely to want to risk losing money to please a small minority of gamers ? You know you make no sense, right ? They both want the same thing, and that is making more money. If making a powerful and expensive console is a bad strategy then that apply to both of them regardless in what financial situation they currently are.
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#15 vashkey
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Who cares? They'll probably be just about the same, again.
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#16 phonemug
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So much MS hate on these forums that people choose to be delusional.

Sony does not have the money to compete with MS in the graphical arms race.

People will try to make excuses but that's the reality.

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#17 reach3
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So much MS hate on these forums that people choose to be delusional.

Sony does not have the money to compete with MS in the graphical arms race.

People will try to make excuses but that's the reality.

phonemug
i agree but everyone on here are rooting for sony for some reaosn and think they have the money for graphics...
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#18 Gue1
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I'm no fanboy, I have all the consoles, I am a manticore! I have no preference so I don't care about this stuff. :)

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#19 Phazevariance
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[QUOTE="phonemug"]

So much MS hate on these forums that people choose to be delusional.

Sony does not have the money to compete with MS in the graphical arms race.

People will try to make excuses but that's the reality.

reach3
i agree but everyone on here are rooting for sony for some reaosn and think they have the money for graphics...

I don't think everyone on SW ia rooting for sony. its about even with MS fans. (obviously Ninty and PC fans are far less on these forums than the HD twins).
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#20 ispeakfact
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So much MS hate on these forums that people choose to be delusional.

Sony does not have the money to compete with MS in the graphical arms race.

People will try to make excuses but that's the reality.

phonemug

All that money, yet not willing to invest in exclusives/new ips. :cool: http://www.gamezone.com/products/xbox-360/news/microsoft-comments-on-lack-of-new-xbox-360-exclusive-ips

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You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. They published them all the money goes to them. And ME1 not being on PS3 is a big deal cause the entire franchise is worthless without playing them all.
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You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. JohnnyCageMK
what?
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. NEWMAHAY
what?

Some people like excluding them from the 360 exclusive list but MS publishes those games. They made the choice to put them on PC cause the money still goes to them. Its not the same as games like Witcher 2.
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MS had the most powerful console with the XBOX and it didn't work out that well for them, so I don't think they really care much for having the most powerful console out there. I expect both to be about the same if they come out at around the same time.
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[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. JohnnyCageMK
what?

Some people like excluding them from the 360 exclusive list but MS publishes those games. They made the choice to put them on PC cause the money still goes to them. Its not the same as games like Witcher 2.

EA put ME on the PC,MS had nothing to do with that and no money went to them. Same with Alan wake,no money to MS.
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[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. JohnnyCageMK
what?

Some people like excluding them from the 360 exclusive list but MS publishes those games. They made the choice to put them on PC cause the money still goes to them. Its not the same as games like Witcher 2.

they aren't exclusives and shouldn't be listed as exclusives because they aren't exclusives...

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[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. JohnnyCageMK
what?

Some people like excluding them from the 360 exclusive list but MS publishes those games. They made the choice to put them on PC cause the money still goes to them. Its not the same as games like Witcher 2.

So every exclusive that Sony puts on PSP/Vita now count as PS3 exclusives? That would mean that Sony games a bunch of AAA/AA games with the yearly releases on MLB The Show. That also gives back exclusivity to PS All Stars and Sly 4

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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"] what?BPoole96

Some people like excluding them from the 360 exclusive list but MS publishes those games. They made the choice to put them on PC cause the money still goes to them. Its not the same as games like Witcher 2.

So every exclusive that Sony puts on PSP/Vita now count as PS3 exclusives? That would mean that Sony games a bunch of AAA/AA games with the yearly releases on MLB The Show. That also gives back exclusivity to PS All Stars and Sly 4

Sure let cows count them. Maybe if they combine every PS3/Vita game this year it will form 1 decent game. Halo 4 crushes all of them with ease. Add Forza Horizon and Dance Central 3 to that and its just overkill. We all know PS3 doesn't have anything worth playing until March.
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#30 Tykain
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So much MS hate on these forums that people choose to be delusional.

Sony does not have the money to compete with MS in the graphical arms race.

People will try to make excuses but that's the reality.

phonemug
How much money Sony and MS has is irrelevant. It's not like either of them are developing new tech which cost them bilions for the next gen consoles. We're not talking Intel vs AMD or Nvidia vs ATI here. Whatever CPU / GPU they will go with doesn't really mater on a financial perspective. Sony build hardware that cost thousands of $ and you think they can't afford the initial cost of a console that will cost a few undreds ? The only question is would it be profitable to make a powerful and expensive console, and the answer to that is the same for any of them. It doesn't mater how much money MS has, all they care about is making something profitable and if something isn't profitable for Sony it isn't profitable for MS either. I know you're not the smartest person around, but please make an effort sometimes and think.
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What good does graphical potential do when you have no games?
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Some people like excluding them from the 360 exclusive list but MS publishes those games. They made the choice to put them on PC cause the money still goes to them. Its not the same as games like Witcher 2.JohnnyCageMK

So every exclusive that Sony puts on PSP/Vita now count as PS3 exclusives? That would mean that Sony games a bunch of AAA/AA games with the yearly releases on MLB The Show. That also gives back exclusivity to PS All Stars and Sly 4

Sure let cows count them. Maybe if they combine every PS3/Vita game this year it will form 1 decent game. Halo 4 crushes all of them with ease. Add Forza Horizon and Dance Central 3 to that and its just overkill. We all know PS3 doesn't have anything worth playing until March.

360 hasn't had anything to play since September '11 after Gears 3 so it will be over a year before 360 gets another decent exclusive.

How sad. No games for poor lemmings to play

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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

So every exclusive that Sony puts on PSP/Vita now count as PS3 exclusives? That would mean that Sony games a bunch of AAA/AA games with the yearly releases on MLB The Show. That also gives back exclusivity to PS All Stars and Sly 4

BPoole96

Sure let cows count them. Maybe if they combine every PS3/Vita game this year it will form 1 decent game. Halo 4 crushes all of them with ease. Add Forza Horizon and Dance Central 3 to that and its just overkill. We all know PS3 doesn't have anything worth playing until March.

360 hasn't had anything to play since September '11 after Gears 3 so it will be over a year before 360 gets another decent exclusive.

How sad. No games for poor lemmings to play

Forza 4 and Trials Evolution say hi.
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It'll just like this generation, BOTH will likely be equal. The difference is next gen, Sony and MS console will share similar more practical parts.

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Saying Sony doesn't have the money to compete with powerful hardware is full of ****. They didn't gimp the Vita, Sony knows they'll need a system powerful enough to remain competitive for at least 5+ years. They are easily aiming for 1080p 3D simply because they are an entertainment company. Sony's "massive" $6B loss is actually only 8% of their yearly revenue. You don't break even or make a profit by playing it safe, you invest in new things and cut try to break even on things that are making you lose money like TV's and camera's. Sony bought out the rest of Sony Ericsson so they can compete in the mobile industry, they are going to be the major share holder of Olympus, they are spending ~$1B on their new CMOS chips etc. Sony's a massive company that can still invest in new products. I can guarantee you that the PS4/720 will be close in specs simply because developers want them to be comparable. Ex.. What if the PS4 was closer to the Wii U in performance and the Xbox 720 was a powerhouse ....... you think developers are going to alienate the Wii U and PS4?... not in the state the gaming industry is doing. Developers want the Wii U/PS4/720/PC to be somewhat comparable or at least the PS4/720.
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]
[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]You may not wanna count em bro but Gears 1 and Mass Effect 1 are MS exclusives. JohnnyCageMK
what?

Some people like excluding them from the 360 exclusive list but MS publishes those games. They made the choice to put them on PC cause the money still goes to them. Its not the same as games like Witcher 2.

w-what?
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#37 andmcq
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Microsoft and Sony both sell their Consoles at a loss. Eventually they sell the consoles for profits but that's years into the Consoles life. I guess the real question this time is how much money are Sony or Microsoft prepared to lose on each console. I think (can't really remember, it was years ago) when the Xbox 360 was launched, it required 18 game purchases to be a profitable unit (I think Ps3 required 12 game sales).

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#38 JC_Spot
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I don't get the consolites arguing over graphics. If you want the best graphics get a gaming PC. Period.
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Sure let cows count them. Maybe if they combine every PS3/Vita game this year it will form 1 decent game. Halo 4 crushes all of them with ease. Add Forza Horizon and Dance Central 3 to that and its just overkill. We all know PS3 doesn't have anything worth playing until March.JohnnyCageMK

360 hasn't had anything to play since September '11 after Gears 3 so it will be over a year before 360 gets another decent exclusive.

How sad. No games for poor lemmings to play

Forza 4 and Trials Evolution say hi.

Two hillbilly games? You aren't doing yourself any favors here
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I don't get the consolites arguing over graphics. If you want the best graphics get a gaming PC. Period.JC_Spot
And if you want the second best graphics get a PS3
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Sure let cows count them. Maybe if they combine every PS3/Vita game this year it will form 1 decent game. Halo 4 crushes all of them with ease. Add Forza Horizon and Dance Central 3 to that and its just overkill. We all know PS3 doesn't have anything worth playing until March.JohnnyCageMK

360 hasn't had anything to play since September '11 after Gears 3 so it will be over a year before 360 gets another decent exclusive.

How sad. No games for poor lemmings to play

Forza 4 and Trials Evolution say hi.

Flopza 4 came out in October so it would still be over a year since Halo 4 comes out in November. Are you really falling back on Arcade titles that don't even count on SW to justify MS's lack of exclusives? Why can't you just admit that MS has abandoned the core gamer and they think its acceptable to put out droves of Halo/Gears/Forza every year to trick the Lemmings into thinking their $60/year for XBL is justified.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Sure let cows count them. Maybe if they combine every PS3/Vita game this year it will form 1 decent game. Halo 4 crushes all of them with ease. Add Forza Horizon and Dance Central 3 to that and its just overkill. We all know PS3 doesn't have anything worth playing until March.JohnnyCageMK

360 hasn't had anything to play since September '11 after Gears 3 so it will be over a year before 360 gets another decent exclusive.

How sad. No games for poor lemmings to play

Forza 4 and Trials Evolution say hi.

You want to convince people there are lots of great exclusives on the 360, then post another racing game sequel made by a different developer and a downloadable title.

:roll:

Its not wonder these terrible lem threads are outnumbering hermit, cow and sheep threads if this is what might be considered a robust selection of exclusives.

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[QUOTE="JC_Spot"]I don't get the consolites arguing over graphics. If you want the best graphics get a gaming PC. Period.themajormayor
And if you want the second best graphics get a PS3

But the differences in consoles are so minor that there is no point in arguing. There are so many consolites totally obsessed with graphics yet they forgo MASSIVE improvements that come with PC gaming. Probably because they're 12 year olds who can't afford/are too dumb to build a decent PC. Like seriously if somebody earns an income, and gaming is their #1 hobby (which would seem the case, with all the posting in gaming forums and all) there is NO WAY they couldn't save up for a great gaming rig. The only explanations are fanboyism, age or intelligence.
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

360 hasn't had anything to play since September '11 after Gears 3 so it will be over a year before 360 gets another decent exclusive.

How sad. No games for poor lemmings to play

BPoole96

Forza 4 and Trials Evolution say hi.

Flopza 4 came out in October so it would still be over a year since Halo 4 comes out in November. Are you really falling back on Arcade titles that don't even count on SW to justify MS's lack of exclusives? Why can't you just admit that MS has abandoned the core gamer and they think its acceptable to put out droves of Halo/Gears/Forza every year to trick the Lemmings into thinking their $60/year for XBL is justified.

So would you rather MS release games like Twisted Metal and Starhawk that are dead on arrival? Would that really make a difference?
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

360 hasn't had anything to play since September '11 after Gears 3 so it will be over a year before 360 gets another decent exclusive.

How sad. No games for poor lemmings to play

SPYDER0416

Forza 4 and Trials Evolution say hi.

You want to convince people there are lots of great exclusives on the 360, then post another racing game sequel made by a different developer and a downloadable title.

:roll:

Its not wonder these terrible lem threads are outnumbering hermit, cow and sheep threads if this is what might be considered a robust selection of exclusives.

Forza 4 was made by Turn 10 and why does it matter if Trials is downloadable? Its a great game with more replayability than most retail games. But I guess cows have to dismiss those cause they make PS3 look bad.
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="JC_Spot"]I don't get the consolites arguing over graphics. If you want the best graphics get a gaming PC. Period.JC_Spot
And if you want the second best graphics get a PS3

But the differences in consoles are so minor that there is no point in arguing. There are so many consolites totally obsessed with graphics yet they forgo MASSIVE improvements that come with PC gaming. Probably because they're 12 year olds who can't afford/are too dumb to build a decent PC. Like seriously if somebody earns an income, and gaming is their #1 hobby (which would seem the case, with all the posting in gaming forums and all) there is NO WAY they couldn't save up for a great gaming rig. The only explanations are fanboyism, age or intelligence.

It's pretty significant. But obviously not as huge as between PS3 and PC. But still. I'm in university so it's hard for me. I could afford it but I rather spend it on booze and such.
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Forza 4 and Trials Evolution say hi.JohnnyCageMK

You want to convince people there are lots of great exclusives on the 360, then post another racing game sequel made by a different developer and a downloadable title.

:roll:

Its not wonder these terrible lem threads are outnumbering hermit, cow and sheep threads if this is what might be considered a robust selection of exclusives.

Forza 4 was made by Turn 10 and why does it matter if Trials is downloadable? Its a great game with more replayability than most retail games. But I guess cows have to dismiss those cause they make PS3 look bad.

If you can only think of a downloadable title and one game released last year to use against cows saying Xbox has no games, then you should probably go somewhere you won't get owned in by anyone with a grasp on basic match and objective critical analysis on games.

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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

You want to convince people there are lots of great exclusives on the 360, then post another racing game sequel made by a different developer and a downloadable title.

:roll:

Its not wonder these terrible lem threads are outnumbering hermit, cow and sheep threads if this is what might be considered a robust selection of exclusives.

SPYDER0416

Forza 4 was made by Turn 10 and why does it matter if Trials is downloadable? Its a great game with more replayability than most retail games. But I guess cows have to dismiss those cause they make PS3 look bad.

If you can only think of a downloadable title and one game released last year to use against cows saying Xbox has no games, then you should probably go somewhere you won't get owned in by anyone with a grasp on basic match and objective critical analysis on games.

Name something good on PS3 this year then. Something that people actually care about.
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#49 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Forza 4 and Trials Evolution say hi.JohnnyCageMK

Flopza 4 came out in October so it would still be over a year since Halo 4 comes out in November. Are you really falling back on Arcade titles that don't even count on SW to justify MS's lack of exclusives? Why can't you just admit that MS has abandoned the core gamer and they think its acceptable to put out droves of Halo/Gears/Forza every year to trick the Lemmings into thinking their $60/year for XBL is justified.

So would you rather MS release games like Twisted Metal and Starhawk that are dead on arrival? Would that really make a difference?

Those games sold fine. Not every game has to sell multi millions of copies in order to be successful. They don't have super high budgets like other games and they provide PS3 gamers with more variety. 360 does not have a single game like Starhawk or Twisted Metal. MS only wants high budget MP games that they can churn out every year to milk their userbase.

While MS is giving its fans deja vu with the Halo/Gears/Forza milkfest, Sony is providing its fans with numerous amounts of variety in all sorts of genres.

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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Forza 4 was made by Turn 10 and why does it matter if Trials is downloadable? Its a great game with more replayability than most retail games. But I guess cows have to dismiss those cause they make PS3 look bad.JohnnyCageMK

If you can only think of a downloadable title and one game released last year to use against cows saying Xbox has no games, then you should probably go somewhere you won't get owned in by anyone with a grasp on basic match and objective critical analysis on games.

Name something good on PS3 this year then. Something that people actually care about.

Journey,Starhawk and Twisted Metal.