wow half life 2 is overated
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I think its incredibly overated. I appreciate the great pacing and lifelike NPCs but my god, the gunplay dates back to 1991. That and the AI is pretty iffy. I enjoyed the game and its two eps (EP2 was awesome) but to hail it as the best FPS of all time is a joke and a half.ninjaxams
Yeah, lets all heil a 4 hours game you seem to like topraise in your signature...
[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Thebettertwin
i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious
uh, tedious? How so? You don't have to run around collecting anything...
Here is the best post which tells about the greatness of HL 2.
[QUOTE="mfsa"]
half life2 is a brilliant game
overrated? pssch, i'd say it's misunderstood
i find the genius of half life 2 to be in the way that it is frankly contrary to the standard of first person shooters - in a typical fps, the focus is on the gunplay, and the environments are - by and large - incidental... you'll play through level x then level y and level z, and while the locations may change from factories to offices to ocean liners, you're still doing the same thing: you're running from a to b while killing enemy c, over and over again
this is where half life 2 excels - the gunplay itself is pretty bad... you've got generic ai that is poor when placed beside its predecessor and the game was notoriously easy... but that's because, i think, the gunplay is incidental - it's there because it has to be... but what half life 2 is, is a game of changing scenario
you'll start with a cool warm up period where you're exploring a desolate, dystopic 1984-style world, then you're in a frantic unarmed escape as you try to evade the law, then you fall into a series of decent firefights as you arm up - you're speeding down a waterway in a hovercraft, you're exploring a creepy horror movie style ghost town, you're playing catch with a giant robot dog, you're leading a team of giant insectoids on a prison raid, you're speeding down a road in a mad max style buggy, you're in your very own version of the movie tremors, you're battling war of the worlds style walkers from rooftops
the focus of the gameplay is constantly shifting, and even the very best of the generic fps crowd tend to stagnate in those last few hours because you're just doing the same thing over and over and over - but with half life 2, every corner you turn brings a brand new focus for gameplay
i really don't think of half life 2 as a first person shooter - i think it transcends the genre - the label 'fps' doesn't do the game justice... i'd say calling it the best game ever made is hyperbole - but i'd say it's one of the finest achievements of the computer gaming industry so far, and its biggest flaw is probably how it made most of the rest of my gaming library feel so mediocre and stale after i'd experienced such awesomeness
overrated? nah
naval
kudos to mfsa for such a brilliant post
yeah, well said.
I think its so great just because its so different from everything else.
Really? What pray, did Half-Life 2 do? I must agree that the vehicle sections were almost as terrible as Far Cry's You mean, 'I didn't like the vehicle sections.' I and most other people thought they were great. The airboat in particular was insane. I suppose you would just prefer another on-foot shooting level set in a spaceship.and that the puzzles were downright awful. A three fingered monkey could have done the puzzles in Half-Life 2, and it's not even like they were asked for. They were fairly easy but they gave variety to the game.
I'd rather progress the storyline and the action than dump cinder-blocks on a conveniently place "see-saw" so that I may get to higher ground. I thought you said the puzzles were ridiculously easy. How did they slow you down so much that they halted the progress of the storyline?
And for a powered suit, Gordon really can't do the much. What? Do you mean, he should be able to jump higher, live longer? That's not really a flaw in the game.
Not to mention the ludicrous enemies. Headcrabs, Combine, Headcrab Zombie, the bugs that come out of the ground like they've been freshly ripped from Robert A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers , the manhacks and so forth. So you basically just name half the enemies of the game and say 'these are sux' for no real reason. All those enemies are awesome, especially the headcrabs. And you conveniently forget all the truly epic enemies such as Striders, Gunships and Hunters.
Not to mention the story managed to go nowhere during the game and people come to its defense by stating that there are episodes, yet people pissed in Halo 2 and Gears of War's cornflakes for not having closure. Fair enough. I did think the ending of HL2 was superbly lame. In fact the ending of Episode 1 was lame as well. Ep 2 on the other hand had a brilliant ending.
Apparently somethings just don't work both ways. People called Gears of War a 'technical showcase' - all flash and no bang, well I'd argue the same for Half-Life 2. It felt like a showcase for Valve's physics engine and at the time, their graphics engine. All flash, no bang. HL2 focuses on substance and style in equal measure. If you want nothing but gameplay, go play Tetris or Doom.
Rant over. In-quote rebuttal over. PapaJohn24
Thus I refute thee.
[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]I think its incredibly overated. I appreciate the great pacing and lifelike NPCs but my god, the gunplay dates back to 1991. That and the AI is pretty iffy. I enjoyed the game and its two eps (EP2 was awesome) but to hail it as the best FPS of all time is a joke and a half.Franko_3
Yeah, lets all heil a 4 hours game you seem to like topraise in your signature...
first of all, learning to speak english would probally help you to achieve many things in life, such as making a coherent sentence, second, COD4 is not 4hrs, even on the easy setting. facts>you[QUOTE="naval"]Here is the best post which tells about the greatness of HL 2.
[QUOTE="mfsa"]
half life2 is a brilliant game
overrated? pssch, i'd say it's misunderstood
i find the genius of half life 2 to be in the way that it is frankly contrary to the standard of first person shooters - in a typical fps, the focus is on the gunplay, and the environments are - by and large - incidental... you'll play through level x then level y and level z, and while the locations may change from factories to offices to ocean liners, you're still doing the same thing: you're running from a to b while killing enemy c, over and over again
this is where half life 2 excels - the gunplay itself is pretty bad... you've got generic ai that is poor when placed beside its predecessor and the game was notoriously easy... but that's because, i think, the gunplay is incidental - it's there because it has to be... but what half life 2 is, is a game of changing scenario
you'll start with a cool warm up period where you're exploring a desolate, dystopic 1984-style world, then you're in a frantic unarmed escape as you try to evade the law, then you fall into a series of decent firefights as you arm up - you're speeding down a waterway in a hovercraft, you're exploring a creepy horror movie style ghost town, you're playing catch with a giant robot dog, you're leading a team of giant insectoids on a prison raid, you're speeding down a road in a mad max style buggy, you're in your very own version of the movie tremors, you're battling war of the worlds style walkers from rooftops
the focus of the gameplay is constantly shifting, and even the very best of the generic fps crowd tend to stagnate in those last few hours because you're just doing the same thing over and over and over - but with half life 2, every corner you turn brings a brand new focus for gameplay
i really don't think of half life 2 as a first person shooter - i think it transcends the genre - the label 'fps' doesn't do the game justice... i'd say calling it the best game ever made is hyperbole - but i'd say it's one of the finest achievements of the computer gaming industry so far, and its biggest flaw is probably how it made most of the rest of my gaming library feel so mediocre and stale after i'd experienced such awesomeness
overrated? nah
NavigatorsGhost
kudos to mfsa for such a brilliant post
yeah, well said.
I think its so great just because its so different from everything else.
exactly, the shooting and AI are poor. those two things are the most important aspects of an FPS game. HL2 fails......[QUOTE="PapaJohn24"] Really? What pray, did Half-Life 2 do? I must agree that the vehicle sections were almost as terrible as Far Cry's You mean, 'I didn't like the vehicle sections.' I and most other people thought they were great. The airboat in particular was insane. I suppose you would just prefer another on-foot shooting level set in a spaceship.
and that the puzzles were downright awful. A three fingered monkey could have done the puzzles in Half-Life 2, and it's not even like they were asked for. They were fairly easy but they gave variety to the game.
I'd rather progress the storyline and the action than dump cinder-blocks on a conveniently place "see-saw" so that I may get to higher ground. I thought you said the puzzles were ridiculously easy. How did they slow you down so much that they halted the progress of the storyline?
And for a powered suit, Gordon really can't do the much. What? Do you mean, he should be able to jump higher, live longer? That's not really a flaw in the game.
Not to mention the ludicrous enemies. Headcrabs, Combine, Headcrab Zombie, the bugs that come out of the ground like they've been freshly ripped from Robert A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers , the manhacks and so forth. So you basically just name half the enemies of the game and say 'these are sux' for no real reason. All those enemies are awesome, especially the headcrabs. And you conveniently forget all the truly epic enemies such as Striders, Gunships and Hunters.
Not to mention the story managed to go nowhere during the game and people come to its defense by stating that there are episodes, yet people pissed in Halo 2 and Gears of War's cornflakes for not having closure. Fair enough. I did think the ending of HL2 was superbly lame. In fact the ending of Episode 1 was lame as well. Ep 2 on the other hand had a brilliant ending.
Apparently somethings just don't work both ways. People called Gears of War a 'technical showcase' - all flash and no bang, well I'd argue the same for Half-Life 2. It felt like a showcase for Valve's physics engine and at the time, their graphics engine. All flash, no bang. HL2 focuses on substance and style in equal measure. If you want nothing but gameplay, go play Tetris or Doom.
Rant over. In-quote rebuttal over. chutup
Thus I refute thee.
fact, gameplay>>>>"substance and style".[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="naval"]Here is the best post which tells about the greatness of HL 2.
[QUOTE="mfsa"]
half life2 is a brilliant game
overrated? pssch, i'd say it's misunderstood
i find the genius of half life 2 to be in the way that it is frankly contrary to the standard of first person shooters - in a typical fps, the focus is on the gunplay, and the environments are - by and large - incidental... you'll play through level x then level y and level z, and while the locations may change from factories to offices to ocean liners, you're still doing the same thing: you're running from a to b while killing enemy c, over and over again
this is where half life 2 excels - the gunplay itself is pretty bad... you've got generic ai that is poor when placed beside its predecessor and the game was notoriously easy... but that's because, i think, the gunplay is incidental - it's there because it has to be... but what half life 2 is, is a game of changing scenario
you'll start with a cool warm up period where you're exploring a desolate, dystopic 1984-style world, then you're in a frantic unarmed escape as you try to evade the law, then you fall into a series of decent firefights as you arm up - you're speeding down a waterway in a hovercraft, you're exploring a creepy horror movie style ghost town, you're playing catch with a giant robot dog, you're leading a team of giant insectoids on a prison raid, you're speeding down a road in a mad max style buggy, you're in your very own version of the movie tremors, you're battling war of the worlds style walkers from rooftops
the focus of the gameplay is constantly shifting, and even the very best of the generic fps crowd tend to stagnate in those last few hours because you're just doing the same thing over and over and over - but with half life 2, every corner you turn brings a brand new focus for gameplay
i really don't think of half life 2 as a first person shooter - i think it transcends the genre - the label 'fps' doesn't do the game justice... i'd say calling it the best game ever made is hyperbole - but i'd say it's one of the finest achievements of the computer gaming industry so far, and its biggest flaw is probably how it made most of the rest of my gaming library feel so mediocre and stale after i'd experienced such awesomeness
overrated? nah
ninjaxams
kudos to mfsa for such a brilliant post
yeah, well said.
I think its so great just because its so different from everything else.
exactly, the shooting and AI are poor. those two things are the most important aspects of an FPS game. HL2 fails......If AI is important to an FPS, then why do you love CoD4 so much?
The worst driving section in a game game goes to gears of war.michael098
Agreed. Half Life 2's weren't brilliant, but the surroundings were great! I don't care if you dislike the game, because I found the gameplay to be at a higher standard than it is in most FPS's recently *cough* Halo 3 and GeOW *cough*. And the ending? It's brilliant, probably one of the best cliffhangers in an FPS (behind FEAR, ofc).
Another one of these threads? :roll: Some people just can't appreciate a great game.
[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="naval"]Here is the best post which tells about the greatness of HL 2.
[QUOTE="mfsa"]
half life2 is a brilliant game
overrated? pssch, i'd say it's misunderstood
i find the genius of half life 2 to be in the way that it is frankly contrary to the standard of first person shooters - in a typical fps, the focus is on the gunplay, and the environments are - by and large - incidental... you'll play through level x then level y and level z, and while the locations may change from factories to offices to ocean liners, you're still doing the same thing: you're running from a to b while killing enemy c, over and over again
this is where half life 2 excels - the gunplay itself is pretty bad... you've got generic ai that is poor when placed beside its predecessor and the game was notoriously easy... but that's because, i think, the gunplay is incidental - it's there because it has to be... but what half life 2 is, is a game of changing scenario
you'll start with a cool warm up period where you're exploring a desolate, dystopic 1984-style world, then you're in a frantic unarmed escape as you try to evade the law, then you fall into a series of decent firefights as you arm up - you're speeding down a waterway in a hovercraft, you're exploring a creepy horror movie style ghost town, you're playing catch with a giant robot dog, you're leading a team of giant insectoids on a prison raid, you're speeding down a road in a mad max style buggy, you're in your very own version of the movie tremors, you're battling war of the worlds style walkers from rooftops
the focus of the gameplay is constantly shifting, and even the very best of the generic fps crowd tend to stagnate in those last few hours because you're just doing the same thing over and over and over - but with half life 2, every corner you turn brings a brand new focus for gameplay
i really don't think of half life 2 as a first person shooter - i think it transcends the genre - the label 'fps' doesn't do the game justice... i'd say calling it the best game ever made is hyperbole - but i'd say it's one of the finest achievements of the computer gaming industry so far, and its biggest flaw is probably how it made most of the rest of my gaming library feel so mediocre and stale after i'd experienced such awesomeness
overrated? nah
ninjaxams
kudos to mfsa for such a brilliant post
yeah, well said.
I think its so great just because its so different from everything else.
exactly, the shooting and AI are poor. those two things are the most important aspects of an FPS game. HL2 fails......having fun iand a great experience s the greatest part of fps and this is where it is superior than almost all the superiors.
anyways, hl 2's ai is not bad,infact its better than that of cod4, but it just seems bad because its average compared to the rest of the game which is superb. same goes for gunplay
exactly, the shooting and AI are poor. those two things are the most important aspects of an FPS game. HL2 fails......ninjaxams
Shooting is poor? What does that mean?
The AI isn't terrible. Its not the best, but its there. The Combine soldiers actually engage you and will throw grenades to flush you out and make a decent effort to avoid your grenades.
And the weapons are nice because there is a decent variety, and they all have important situational uses in the game where you pretty much have to use them.
Not to mention the first and second time you acquire the gravity gun the fun level goes up significantly. Ooohh Ravenholm, time to throw sad blades. And at the end you can pretty much control anything...
[QUOTE="Franko_3"][QUOTE="ninjaxams"]I think its incredibly overated. I appreciate the great pacing and lifelike NPCs but my god, the gunplay dates back to 1991. That and the AI is pretty iffy. I enjoyed the game and its two eps (EP2 was awesome) but to hail it as the best FPS of all time is a joke and a half.ninjaxams
Yeah, lets all heil a 4 hours game you seem to like topraise in your signature...
first of all, learning to speak english would probally help you to achieve many things in life, such as making a coherent sentence, second, COD4 is not 4hrs, even on the easy setting. facts>youIt's kinda insulting to say that I will achieve nothing if I don't talk english like you.
FACT: NOT EVERYONE LIVE IN AN ENGLISH COUNTRY
FACT#2: Cod 4 still take 4 hours to complete unless you are a complete noob or someone who like to glance atgraphic for hours, like you probably did, bylooking how fanboyish you are acting over a game.
Im confused, did we play diffrent games or something? I found everypart of HL2 save its graphics and physics to be AA quality both in 2005 (when I bought HL2 and Now when I bought the orange box) The AI was lame even for its time (hell farcrys AI was better) The levels we beyond linear, and the headcrabs seemed as tacked on as trigens. (at least in HL@).having fun iand a great experience s the greatest part of fps and this is where it is superior than almost all the superiors.
anyways, hl 2's ai is not bad,infact its better than that of cod4, but it just seems bad because its average compared to the rest of the game which is superb. same goes for gunplay
naval
why are people saying that its 3 years old if its as good as people say it is surely this would come across in the gameplay?Thebettertwin
HL2...revolutionary gameplay..back in 04...doesnt seem amazing now, but trust me...if you played it on pc...it was the best.
I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :Dsuper_mario_128All the back story (books and all included) or just the games?
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :DhtekemeraldAll the back story (books and all included) or just the games?
Are you kidding me? "Game"spot Forums anyone?
[QUOTE="naval"]Im confused, did we play diffrent games or something? I found everypart of HL2 save its graphics and physics to be AA quality both in 2005 (when I bought HL2 and Now when I bought the orange box) The AI was lame even for its time (hell farcrys AI was better) The levels we beyond linear, and the headcrabs seemed as tacked on as trigens. (at least in HL@).having fun iand a great experience s the greatest part of fps and this is where it is superior than almost all the superiors.
anyways, hl 2's ai is not bad,infact its better than that of cod4, but it just seems bad because its average compared to the rest of the game which is superb. same goes for gunplay
htekemerald
no, we played the same games but we played it differently. far cry had better ai because it had the best ai at that time, but ai in HL was better than most of the other games around. only major complain i had, was that the ai charged towards you.
hmmm.... so now linear level are no longer enjoyable ? how did head crabs seemed tacked on ? were headcrabs the only enemy hl had ?
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :DhtekemeraldAll the back story (books and all included) or just the games?
why do people always bring up books to point out great halo's story was ? i am playing a game and i don't want to read aa crappy book based on that game to appreciate the story
I don't see why people feel the need to make excuses for the game. Even now, it's still excellent.
It has its flaws. The beginning is slow, and the vehicle sections go on too long. But a lot of it is absolutely fantastic, the environmental design and art direction are top notch, and it varies the gameplay wonderfully. The way the game plays is always changing, and it never gets boring. And the presentation, voice acting, and facial work is top notch, even to this day.
It only seems bad now because of how much better paced the episodes are.
All the back story (books and all included) or just the games?[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :Dsuper_mario_128
Are you kidding me? "Game"spot Forums anyone?
Thats kind of like say starwars games plots all suck becuase they dont explain anything (this would be ignoring the movies because we are on "game" spot)[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]All the back story (books and all included) or just the games?[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :Dhtekemerald
Are you kidding me? "Game"spot Forums anyone?
Thats kind of like say starwars games plots all suck becuase they dont explain anything (this would be ignoring the movies because we are on "game" spot)Indeed it would be, do you have a point? Using that analogy, you're basically saying Halo (the game) is rubbish, and the book is superb. I don't care, I don't want to have to read a book to fully appreciate a games story. Half Life excels in it's story and storytelling. Plus, I'd much prefer to read one of Robert A. Heinleins books ("The Number of the Beast", "Have Space-Suit, Will Travel") than a book based on a game I could care less for.
[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]All the back story (books and all included) or just the games?[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :Dsuper_mario_128
Are you kidding me? "Game"spot Forums anyone?
Thats kind of like say starwars games plots all suck becuase they dont explain anything (this would be ignoring the movies because we are on "game" spot)Indeed it would be, do you have a point? Using that analogy, you're basically saying Halo (the game) is rubbish, and the book is superb. I don't care, I don't want to have to read a book to fully appreciate a games story. Half Life excels in it's story and storytelling. Plus, I'd much prefer to read one of Robert A. Heinleins books ("The Number of the Beast", "Have Space-Suit, Will Travel") than a book based on a game I could care less for.
exactly, if i have to read the book for a nice story, i would read the much better ones out there
2- You played on a console. Half Life 2 feels like night and day when you compare how it plays on a gamepad versus a mosue and keyboard. As a half life fan, i honestly was somewhat bored at the begining of the Orange Box because of how weird and slow it felt. All in all its still an amazing game.
3- I agree the vehicles stink on a gamepad, personally it would have helped if they did indeed control like the vehicles in Halo.
4- Problem with Halo 2 ending, that was it nothing after that until Halo 3. Half Life 2 allready has 2 episodic content, with another on the way.
how many people praise this game as the best ever? this game is so boring i almost gave up playing through it. the drivingparts are the worst vehicle sections ive played in any game and people criticise halo 2's ending wth is up the the end of this?
Thebettertwin
You know, I thought this might have actually been the day where someone sucessfullyturns the "Halo is overrated" argument around and points it Half-Life 2 intelligently.
But seeing as it isn't, I can only continue to believe that Half-Life 2 is untouchable.
[QUOTE="michael098"]The worst driving section in a game game goes to gears of war.super_mario_128
Agreed. Half Life 2's weren't brilliant, but the surroundings were great! I don't care if you dislike the game, because I found the gameplay to be at a higher standard than it is in most FPS's recently *cough* Halo 3 and GeOW *cough*. And the ending? It's brilliant, probably one of the best cliffhangers in an FPS (behind FEAR, ofc).
what? the surroundings in Half Life 2 suck. Environment is something valve sucks at, however i do agree episode 2 was a step up in that area.As for gameplay, i dont think its a higher standard as much as its more than just shoot. Its more of a thinking mans shooter with all the physics puzzles hear and there.
Halo 3 plays great for a console shooter, Gears on the other hand isnt special, but i will admit it is good.
As for the cliffhanger, yes it was good and not STUPID.
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="michael098"]The worst driving section in a game game goes to gears of war.jg4xchamp
Agreed. Half Life 2's weren't brilliant, but the surroundings were great! I don't care if you dislike the game, because I found the gameplay to be at a higher standard than it is in most FPS's recently *cough* Halo 3 and GeOW *cough*. And the ending? It's brilliant, probably one of the best cliffhangers in an FPS (behind FEAR, ofc).
what? the surroundings in Half Life 2 suck. Environment is something valve sucks at, however i do agree episode 2 was a step up in that area.As for gameplay, i dont think its a higher standard as much as its more than just shoot. Its more of a thinking mans shooter with all the physics puzzles hear and there.
Halo 3 plays great for a console shooter, Gears on the other hand isnt special, but i will admit it is good.
As for the cliffhanger, yes it was good and not STUPID.
Wut? I thought the surroundings were really imaginative (City 17 was awesome, not to mention Ravenholm and Nova Prospekt). To each his own,I suppose.
Anyway moving on, in terms of gameplay it is solid in terms of shooting. Nothing about it as a shooter is special. Games like Unreal, Crysis, Far Cry, and even previous shooters like System SHock 2, Deus Ex, COunter Strike played better. WHat put Half Life 2s gameplay over the top was its variety, the vehicle sequences do mix it up(alla Halo and why i like the single player in that game, its not repetitive). The other major thing was the gravity gun. It is essentially the coolest FPS weapon IMO. Well thought it, it is usefull for puzzles, brings something new and makes you do something else in a shooter besides shoot to kill(although it technically is still shooting).
Visually the game was great. Great animations and great character models. However Valve SUCKS AT ENVIRONMENT. Bungie may have been a bit repetitive in some cases, but the environments were excellentally done, and both games are blown away when you see something likea Far Cry and now a Crysis do environment right.
Personally Half Life 2 is a great first person shooter, and easily one of the best. It is in no way as overhyped as Halo 3(which i would give a 9.5 yes, i do not argue that its a bad game). but in terms of PC shooters i think there have been better than Half Life 2.
Gameplay has been done better in games like Unreal 2k4, Far Cry, Deus Ex, System SHock 2, COunter Strike, etc
and Story wise i Think Deus Ex and System Shock 2 were absolute genious when compared to Half Life 2 which was just really amazing.
So obviousaly its hard to say Half Life 2 isnt all that, but i think when people say best shooter ever, they honestly are insulting WAY To many PC shooters that honestly did so many things better.
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="michael098"]The worst driving section in a game game goes to gears of war.jg4xchamp
Agreed. Half Life 2's weren't brilliant, but the surroundings were great! I don't care if you dislike the game, because I found the gameplay to be at a higher standard than it is in most FPS's recently *cough* Halo 3 and GeOW *cough*. And the ending? It's brilliant, probably one of the best cliffhangers in an FPS (behind FEAR, ofc).
what? the surroundings in Half Life 2 suck. Environment is something valve sucks at, however i do agree episode 2 was a step up in that area.As for gameplay, i dont think its a higher standard as much as its more than just shoot. Its more of a thinking mans shooter with all the physics puzzles hear and there.
Halo 3 plays great for a console shooter, Gears on the other hand isnt special, but i will admit it is good.
As for the cliffhanger, yes it was good and not STUPID.
How do the surroundings stuck? They're fantastic.
Half-Life 2's story is told without cutscenes. With no exposition, the world's past is told through the surroundings. Did you notice the graffiti on the walls? The ramshackle conditions of the city? The drained coastline? The abandoned, destroyed homes there?
Half-Life 2's environments are great, because they don't only provide action, they define the game's setting.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="michael098"]The worst driving section in a game game goes to gears of war.super_mario_128
Agreed. Half Life 2's weren't brilliant, but the surroundings were great! I don't care if you dislike the game, because I found the gameplay to be at a higher standard than it is in most FPS's recently *cough* Halo 3 and GeOW *cough*. And the ending? It's brilliant, probably one of the best cliffhangers in an FPS (behind FEAR, ofc).
what? the surroundings in Half Life 2 suck. Environment is something valve sucks at, however i do agree episode 2 was a step up in that area.As for gameplay, i dont think its a higher standard as much as its more than just shoot. Its more of a thinking mans shooter with all the physics puzzles hear and there.
Halo 3 plays great for a console shooter, Gears on the other hand isnt special, but i will admit it is good.
As for the cliffhanger, yes it was good and not STUPID.
Wut? I thought the surroundings were really imaginative (City 17 was awesome, not to mention Ravenholm and Nova Prospekt). To each his own,I suppose.
in concept they were great, the way they are executed is just so bland. Ravenholm could have been done better, so could have waterworks, so could have Nova Prospekt, Episode 2 and Half Life 1 and Episode 1 are imo a big difference in environment.In EPisode 2, the environment is more detailed, there is an obvious extra attention being put into the environment, and all in all it looks better from a surroundings standpoint.
I think Half Life 2 and Episode 1 had only 1 graphical flaw at the time, the environments werent living up to the ambitions and concepts of the ideas.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="michael098"]The worst driving section in a game game goes to gears of war.sonicmj1
Agreed. Half Life 2's weren't brilliant, but the surroundings were great! I don't care if you dislike the game, because I found the gameplay to be at a higher standard than it is in most FPS's recently *cough* Halo 3 and GeOW *cough*. And the ending? It's brilliant, probably one of the best cliffhangers in an FPS (behind FEAR, ofc).
what? the surroundings in Half Life 2 suck. Environment is something valve sucks at, however i do agree episode 2 was a step up in that area.As for gameplay, i dont think its a higher standard as much as its more than just shoot. Its more of a thinking mans shooter with all the physics puzzles hear and there.
Halo 3 plays great for a console shooter, Gears on the other hand isnt special, but i will admit it is good.
As for the cliffhanger, yes it was good and not STUPID.
How do the surroundings stuck? They're fantastic.
Half-Life 2's story is told without cutscenes. With no exposition, the world's past is told through the surroundings. Did you notice the graffiti on the walls? The ramshackle conditions of the city? The drained coastline? The abandoned, destroyed homes there?
Half-Life 2's environments are great, because they don't only provide action, they define the game's setting.
What you dont think i know all that, im just saying are we talking concept of the surroundings or how they actually look.In 04 i would argue that the concept and ambition of the surroundings is poorly executed because of the lack of attention put into the surroundings. I think this is more clear with how much better the environment actually looks in Episode 2, thats what i was argueing. Not that it sucks, in the sense that they could have come up with something cooler, i mean they suck as in they got the right idea, just they arent executing right.
I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :Dsuper_mario_128If we are just comparing Combat Evolved to the Half Life series, than yes Halo can give Half Lifea run for its money. The universe, story telling, atmosophere was all there in Halo 1.
But unfortunantly they F'ed everything up with 2, and 3 was just a redeeming good game to make up for the mistakes of 2.
All in all yes Half Life better story than Halo.
Just Counting Halo1 thought, and its close.
Does it matter though, Deus Ex owns all.
and No Invisible War never happened. THats a crazy myth
let me preach lol
ok so for starters i had wanted to play HL2 ever since it came out in 2004 and my computer has been soooo crap over the years i havnt been able to run it. . . anywho i am happy it came to consoles and i am so immersed in the gameplay something not one single other shooter has done for me the graphics are pleasing to the eye especially since it was made in 2004 and i belive it isnt overrated in the slightest espeacially with fun things to do like slicing up zombies with a sawblade and a gravity defying gun ^___^ not to mention its originality now you might not see this now but in 2004 there were so many innovations made in HL2 never seen before that have been copied by other shooters. . . most shooters in my opinion lack originality.
i am sorry (TC) but when you bring up halo and compare it to half life 2 you loose alot of credibility seriously i have played all the halos and there is nothing in them other than the multiplayer that makes me want to play them again and that is my opinion and ofcorse you are entitled to yours but i disagree ^__^
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :Djg4xchampIf we are just comparing Combat Evolved to the Half Life series, than yes Halo can give Half Lifea run for its money. The universe, story telling, atmosophere was all there in Halo 1.
But unfortunantly they F'ed everything up with 2, and 3 was just a redeeming good game to make up for the mistakes of 2.
All in all yes Half Life better story than Halo.
Just Counting Halo1 thought, and its close.
Does it matter though, Deus Ex owns all.
and No Invisible War never happened. THats a crazy myth
Yes it does matter, since Halo and Half Life are the heavyweights of the FPS genre, while Deus Ex could be regarded as a sleeper hit.
No offence of course, I haven't played it, but Halo and Half Life are seemingly mentioned more here.
Also, I guess I would be daft to compare Half Life to Halo at the moment, since the Half Life series isn't complete. Valve could seriously screw up episode 3 (although I doubt it).
I feel just like the TC and I haven't even gotten off of chapter one. I do not like this game AT ALL so far. Yeah the game is three years old but age doesn't change the game. Super Mario Bros. 3 is still one of my favorite games of all time.
I had WAY more fun and a better experience with Resistance from start to finish. I am not done with this game so I will beat it before I make my final judgement.
I feel just like the TC and I haven't even gotten off of chapter one. I do not like this game AT ALL so far. Yeah the game is three years old but age doesn't change the game. Super Mario Bros. 3 is still one of my favorite games of all time.-RenegadeTHe game does not translate well on a gamepad. Its hard to explain, but anyone that has played the PC version and the 360/PS3 version can tell you that Half Life 2 on PC feels smoother, quicker, and near flawless(although Gameplay is also done better on other PC games anyway).
As for its story, no even 3 years later there are hardly many games that can do better. Especially those as somewhat deep as Half Life 2.
You would have to resort to using a Deus Ex, System SHock 2, Planescape Torment.
I feel just like the TC and I haven't even gotten off of chapter one. I do not like this game AT ALL so far. Yeah the game is three years old but age doesn't change the game. Super Mario Bros. 3 is still one of my favorite games of all time.-Renegade
What the hash browns? You're calling the game overrated, yet you haven't finished the first chapter? :lol: Progress maybe? It does get better believe it or not.
My opinion: I really like HL2, the vehicle sections did go on forever, but the last four chapters: Anticitizen One, Follow Freeman, Our Benefactors, and Dark Energy were absolutely incredible.anonymoussum1
The driving part really pisses me off. It's like I am drving around for no reason and I don't like it at all.
If we are just comparing Combat Evolved to the Half Life series, than yes Halo can give Half Lifea run for its money. The universe, story telling, atmosophere was all there in Halo 1.[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"]I'm just waiting for someone to say Halo has a better story than the Half Life series. Then I'll laugh. :Dsuper_mario_128
But unfortunantly they F'ed everything up with 2, and 3 was just a redeeming good game to make up for the mistakes of 2.
All in all yes Half Life better story than Halo.
Just Counting Halo1 thought, and its close.
Does it matter though, Deus Ex owns all.
and No Invisible War never happened. THats a crazy myth
Yes it does matter, since Halo and Half Life are the heavyweights of the FPS genre, while Deus Ex could be regarded as a sleeper hit.
No offence of course, I haven't played it, but Halo and Half Life are seemingly mentioned more here.
Also, I guess I would be daft to compare Half Life to Halo at the moment, since the Half Life series isn't complete. Valve could seriously screw up episode 3 (although I doubt it).
im just saying when considering how well done Bungie made Halo 1, it is honestly shocking how Bad Halo 2s story design was and how they really threw a monkey wrench that wasnt needed. I think gamespot said it best when they reviewed Halo 1, "this is one of the best first person shooters made, no matter what the platform"It was and is IMO the only time there was a console shooter that was legit enough to compete with PC shooters(no goldeneye and perfect dark did not control good enough for that to be said). ANd the story was such a bonus, but Bungie F'ed up bigtime
Im glad Halo 3 is really good and makes up for Halo2 , but it is nowhere near as good as Halo 1.
As for Half Life 2, nah i dont think Valve will mess it up. They dont exactly try something so earth changing in the game that could be hit or miss atleast IMO. I think they know this is exactly something the game needs, warrents, and/or the consumers will just eat up.
Thats why i think valve is really good, they just know how to develope a complete single player shooter.
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