WTF is this "K2 is unrealistic" Talk?

killzone2 does many things wrong. you shoot ur guns with ur right hand pull trigger, but if you lean around a wall on ur left lol the guy will take his gun and put it in his left hand when ur leaning. that's fake as hell.gamewatereddown

You fight aliens, that makes it pretty unrealistic...

svetzenlether

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="gamewatereddown"]lol another sign of usa army being poorly trained about weapons. war memorials they will shoot guns in the air as a salute. never heard the saying what goes up most come down? the bullet could come back down and kill someone.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="gamewatereddown"]killzone2 does many things wrong. you shoot ur guns with ur right hand pull trigger, but if you lean around a wall on ur left lol the guy will take his gun and put it in his left hand when ur leaning. that's fake as hell.cainetao11

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] they fire blanks... its entirely illegal in the us to fire guns into the air.cainetao11

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="gamewatereddown"]lol another sign of usa army being poorly trained about weapons. war memorials they will shoot guns in the air as a salute. never heard the saying what goes up must come down? the bullet could come back down and kill someone.heretrix

You talk alot about guns but yet you don't know they fire blanks at memorials...

Also you talk about not having common sense yet you talk about running/jumping while shooting....

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Yeah, I was going to say....gamewatereddown

"Because the movie's second unit team was running behind schedule, it was decided that dummy cartridges (cartridges that outwardly appear to be functional but contain no gunpowder or primer) would be made from real cartridges by pulling out the bullet, dumping out the gunpowder and reinserting the bullet. However, the team neglected to consider that the primer was still live and, if fired, could still produce enough force to push the bullet off the end of the cartridge. At some point prior to the fatal scene, the live primer on one of the constructed dummy rounds was discharged by persons unknown while in the pistol's chamber. It caused a squib load, in which the primer provided just enough force to push the bullet out of the cartridge and into the barrel of the revolver, where it became stuck."

- wikipedia

There is no mention of a live round anywhere.

[QUOTE="gamewatereddown"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]Someone actually believed a 21 gun salute fired live ammo? No wonder they think KZ2 is realistic.bladeeagle

"Because the movie's second unit team was running behind schedule, it was decided that dummy cartridges (cartridges that outwardly appear to be functional but contain no gunpowder or primer) would be made from real cartridges by pulling out the bullet, dumping out the gunpowder and reinserting the bullet. However, the team neglected to consider that the primer was still live and, if fired, could still produce enough force to push the bullet off the end of the cartridge. At some point prior to the fatal scene, the live primer on one of the constructed dummy rounds was discharged by persons unknown while in the pistol's chamber. It caused a squib load, in which the primer provided just enough force to push the bullet out of the cartridge and into the barrel of the revolver, where it became stuck."

- wikipedia

There is no mention of a live round anywhere.

For the most part I agree, however, Halo sould not be mentioned, since it's not meant to be realistic and you play as a supersoldier.

boxofwit

no, im talking about i seen them usa soldiers firing guns in the air in iraq, so i thought they might be stupid enough to do that during ceremonys. i didnt really think about blanks, plus shooting anything is stupid that's how bruce lee's kid got killed during the filming of the crow someone loaded a live round instead of a blank lol.gamewatereddown

Also, firing into the air in a combat zone is considered a warning shot, and is a part of many engagements in the rules of engagement, depending on the scenerio.

You fight aliens, that makes it pretty unrealistic...

svetzenlether

ACtually they are humans.Its just the earth gov tossed them to the crappy planet. On topic I agree KZ2 actually gives you weight. So it does feel more grounded then lets say COD4 which felt like halo without the lazers and high jumps.

still dont matter firing any gun is stupid because could be bullet loaded into chamber they missed before they loaded in the blanks. its just stupid lol, like a dead soldier wants someone to shoot a gun to salute him when he was killed by one LOL.gamewatereddown

Movie sets never use real bullets. I'm pretty sure they would always use blanks for obvious safety reasons.

And the gun salutes symbolize honor

I play games for fun not for realisme. b1lal

Ex army infantryman here, started off on as a m240B machine gun, heaviest weapon in an infantry platoon. It clocked in about 26pounds, with a tripod that weighed about 12pounds, and all the ammo that weighed a ton, had to have an ammo bearer with me to carry additional rounds. Now put on all your gear, your helmet, all your ammo and nades, your equipment vest, and then on top of that put on a 30 pound flak jacket and then tell me how mobile you are. Now imagine moving from cover to cover, from prone position to running then back into prone lugging all that crap around!

Even a rifleman in full battle-rattle including flak vest is weighed down like crazy. There is a reason why you need to be in great physical condition and do physical training nearly everday as a soldier, moving around in all that gear is extremely demanding. You don't run around and shoot with ANY degree of accuracy. Shooting is all about aiming, breath control, and how you squeeze the trigger. You can have your sights dead on center mass of an enemy soldier, but you jerked trigger back sloppily or where exhaling and you whiff the shot. So the majority of these shooting games are unrealistic, you can't run around see an enemy soldier, then scope it up and get a head shot, things don't work like that. KZ2 does a good job representing how weighted down the average infantry man is, all that gear and crap adds up really fast, and accuracy doesn't mean you have sights lined up on the target and you get a kill, it is alot harder than that IRL, especially in a frantic combat situation. In the end though its just a game so if you don't enjoy its mechanics move on.

Ex army infantryman here, started off on as a m240B machine gun, heaviest weapon in an infantry platoon. It clocked in about 26pounds, with a tripod that weighed about 12pounds, and all the ammo that weighed a ton, had to have an ammo bearer with me to carry additional rounds. Now put on all your gear, your helmet, all your ammo and nades, your equipment vest, and then on top of that put on a 30 pound flak jacket and then tell me how mobile you are. Now imagine moving from cover to cover, from prone position to running then back into prone lugging all that crap around!

Even a rifleman in full battle-rattle including flak vest is weighed down like crazy. There is a reason why you need to be in great physical condition and do physical training nearly everday as a soldier, moving around in all that gear is extremely demanding. You don't run around and shoot with ANY degree of accuracy. Shooting is all about aiming, breath control, and how you squeeze the trigger. You can have your sights dead on center mass of an enemy soldier, but you jerked trigger back sloppily or where exhaling and you whiff the shot. So the majority of these shooting games are unrealistic, you can't run around see an enemy soldier, then scope it up and get a head shot, things don't work like that. KZ2 does a good job representing how weighted down the average infantry man is, all that gear and crap adds up really fast, and accuracy doesn't mean you have sights lined up on the target and you get a kill, it is alot harder than that IRL, especially in a frantic combat situation. In the end though its just a game so if you don't enjoy its mechanics move on.

ScorpionBeeBee

I play games for fun not for realisme. b1lal

Realism is also fun.

I have noted many people use "fun" as a shield around here. I would like to see those people define fun.

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

You fight aliens, that makes it pretty unrealistic...

finalfantasy94

ACtually they are humans.Its just the earth gov tossed them to the crappy planet. On topic I agree KZ2 actually gives you weight. So it does feel more grounded then lets say COD4 which felt like halo without the lazers and high jumps.

KZ2 is the most realistic fps confirmed

[QUOTE="ScorpionBeeBee"]

Ex army infantryman here, started off on as a m240B machine gun, heaviest weapon in an infantry platoon. It clocked in about 26pounds, with a tripod that weighed about 12pounds, and all the ammo that weighed a ton, had to have an ammo bearer with me to carry additional rounds. Now put on all your gear, your helmet, all your ammo and nades, your equipment vest, and then on top of that put on a 30 pound flak jacket and then tell me how mobile you are. Now imagine moving from cover to cover, from prone position to running then back into prone lugging all that crap around!

Even a rifleman in full battle-rattle including flak vest is weighed down like crazy. There is a reason why you need to be in great physical condition and do physical training nearly everday as a soldier, moving around in all that gear is extremely demanding. You don't run around and shoot with ANY degree of accuracy. Shooting is all about aiming, breath control, and how you squeeze the trigger. You can have your sights dead on center mass of an enemy soldier, but you jerked trigger back sloppily or where exhaling and you whiff the shot. So the majority of these shooting games are unrealistic, you can't run around see an enemy soldier, then scope it up and get a head shot, things don't work like that. KZ2 does a good job representing how weighted down the average infantry man is, all that gear and crap adds up really fast, and accuracy doesn't mean you have sights lined up on the target and you get a kill, it is alot harder than that IRL, especially in a frantic combat situation. In the end though its just a game so if you don't enjoy its mechanics move on.

gamewatereddown

lol word of advice always act like the gun is loaded.gamewatereddown

[QUOTE="gamewatereddown"][QUOTE="ScorpionBeeBee"]

Ex army infantryman here, started off on as a m240B machine gun, heaviest weapon in an infantry platoon. It clocked in about 26pounds, with a tripod that weighed about 12pounds, and all the ammo that weighed a ton, had to have an ammo bearer with me to carry additional rounds. Now put on all your gear, your helmet, all your ammo and nades, your equipment vest, and then on top of that put on a 30 pound flak jacket and then tell me how mobile you are. Now imagine moving from cover to cover, from prone position to running then back into prone lugging all that crap around!

Even a rifleman in full battle-rattle including flak vest is weighed down like crazy. There is a reason why you need to be in great physical condition and do physical training nearly everday as a soldier, moving around in all that gear is extremely demanding. You don't run around and shoot with ANY degree of accuracy. Shooting is all about aiming, breath control, and how you squeeze the trigger. You can have your sights dead on center mass of an enemy soldier, but you jerked trigger back sloppily or where exhaling and you whiff the shot. So the majority of these shooting games are unrealistic, you can't run around see an enemy soldier, then scope it up and get a head shot, things don't work like that. KZ2 does a good job representing how weighted down the average infantry man is, all that gear and crap adds up really fast, and accuracy doesn't mean you have sights lined up on the target and you get a kill, it is alot harder than that IRL, especially in a frantic combat situation. In the end though its just a game so if you don't enjoy its mechanics move on.

ScorpionBeeBee

[QUOTE="gamewatereddown"]lol word of advice always act like the gun is loaded.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="gamewatereddown"][QUOTE="ScorpionBeeBee"]

Ex army infantryman here, started off on as a m240B machine gun, heaviest weapon in an infantry platoon. It clocked in about 26pounds, with a tripod that weighed about 12pounds, and all the ammo that weighed a ton, had to have an ammo bearer with me to carry additional rounds. Now put on all your gear, your helmet, all your ammo and nades, your equipment vest, and then on top of that put on a 30 pound flak jacket and then tell me how mobile you are. Now imagine moving from cover to cover, from prone position to running then back into prone lugging all that crap around!

Even a rifleman in full battle-rattle including flak vest is weighed down like crazy. There is a reason why you need to be in great physical condition and do physical training nearly everday as a soldier, moving around in all that gear is extremely demanding. You don't run around and shoot with ANY degree of accuracy. Shooting is all about aiming, breath control, and how you squeeze the trigger. You can have your sights dead on center mass of an enemy soldier, but you jerked trigger back sloppily or where exhaling and you whiff the shot. So the majority of these shooting games are unrealistic, you can't run around see an enemy soldier, then scope it up and get a head shot, things don't work like that. KZ2 does a good job representing how weighted down the average infantry man is, all that gear and crap adds up really fast, and accuracy doesn't mean you have sights lined up on the target and you get a kill, it is alot harder than that IRL, especially in a frantic combat situation. In the end though its just a game so if you don't enjoy its mechanics move on.

ScorpionBeeBee

Also lifting an object=/= carrying it around for around 7 miles. I could pick up something that if 50 pounds fine. Carry around with me all day... not so much.

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Ex army infantryman here, started off on as a m240B machine gun, heaviest weapon in an infantry platoon. It clocked in about 26pounds, with a tripod that weighed about 12pounds, and all the ammo that weighed a ton, had to have an ammo bearer with me to carry additional rounds. Now put on all your gear, your helmet, all your ammo and nades, your equipment vest, and then on top of that put on a 30 pound flak jacket and then tell me how mobile you are. Now imagine moving from cover to cover, from prone position to running then back into prone lugging all that crap around!

Even a rifleman in full battle-rattle including flak vest is weighed down like crazy. There is a reason why you need to be in great physical condition and do physical training nearly everday as a soldier, moving around in all that gear is extremely demanding. You don't run around and shoot with ANY degree of accuracy. Shooting is all about aiming, breath control, and how you squeeze the trigger. You can have your sights dead on center mass of an enemy soldier, but you jerked trigger back sloppily or where exhaling and you whiff the shot. So the majority of these shooting games are unrealistic, you can't run around see an enemy soldier, then scope it up and get a head shot, things don't work like that. KZ2 does a good job representing how weighted down the average infantry man is, all that gear and crap adds up really fast, and accuracy doesn't mean you have sights lined up on the target and you get a kill, it is alot harder than that IRL, especially in a frantic combat situation. In the end though its just a game so if you don't enjoy its mechanics move on.

I completely agree. KZ2 is totally realistic. The lightning gun? REAL. Hovercraft? REAL. Radek's personal cloaking device? REAL. Enemies taking 7-10 bullets to die? REAL. Shooting someone in the head, and only knocking off a helmet EVERY time? REAL. Hanging barbells from your gun and constantly walking in mud? REAL.

So, as you can see, KZ2 is the most realistic game ever made as long as the realism is based in a futuristic alternate universe where people are always walking in invisible mud.

hmm, how do you think all that gear moves around on the battlefield? The trucks will only take you soo far, infantry batallions have tons of walking to do, what good would it be if you could lift 100 pounds but not carry it with you everywhere you go??

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="gamewatereddown"]lol word of advice always act like the gun is loaded.gamewatereddown

hmm, how do you think all that gear moves around on the battlefield? The trucks will only take you soo far, infantry batallions have tons of walking to do, what good would it be if you could lift 100 pounds but not carry it with you everywhere you go??

ScorpionBeeBee

Well this guy is super human. He said he could jump and run while firing.

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swazidoughman

[QUOTE="ScorpionBeeBee"]

hmm, how do you think all that gear moves around on the battlefield? The trucks will only take you soo far, infantry batallions have tons of walking to do, what good would it be if you could lift 100 pounds but not carry it with you everywhere you go??

Chaos_HL21

Well this guy is super human. He said he could jump and run while firing.

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

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SpruceCaboose

Some people seem to be feeding him for the lulz.

Others are taking him seriously.

[QUOTE="ScorpionBeeBee"][QUOTE="gamewatereddown"] 26 lbs isnt crap when i can lift 50 lbs with my index finger.cainetao11

[QUOTE="b1lal"]I play games for fun not for realisme. glez13

Realism is also fun.

I have noted many people use "fun" as a shield around here. I would like to see those people define fun.

Yea pretty much. Fun can mean many things including realism in games. I mean peoplefind GT fun cause of it.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="ScorpionBeeBee"]

hmm, how do you think all that gear moves around on the battlefield? The trucks will only take you soo far, infantry batallions have tons of walking to do, what good would it be if you could lift 100 pounds but not carry it with you everywhere you go??

ScorpionBeeBee

Well this guy is super human. He said he could jump and run while firing.

Don't take him seriously, the guy had talked about how it is unrealistic when games don't let you. Jump and shoot. (which is kinda funny when he was talking about gun safety (I am pretty sure jumping in the air with a gun is something you never do).

[QUOTE="ScorpionBeeBee"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Well this guy is super human. He said he could jump and run while firing.

Chaos_HL21

Don't take him seriously, the guy had talked about how it is unrealistic when games don't let you. Jump and shoot. (which is kinda funny when he was talking about gun safety (I am pretty sure jumping in the air with a gun is something you never do).

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="ScorpionBeeBee"] Ah okay, I was arguing with the troll and his ability to carry all sorts of gear and not be encumbered, wasn't talking about some super soldier in a game,gamewatereddown

Don't take him seriously, the guy had talked about how it is unrealistic when games don't let you. Jump and shoot. (which is kinda funny when he was talking about gun safety (I am pretty sure jumping in the air with a gun is something you never do).

Jumping and shooting in real life is a good way to get you a Darwin Award. You can't put grenades into yout mouth in games too, so many limitations :P

[QUOTE="gamewatereddown"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Don't take him seriously, the guy had talked about how it is unrealistic when games don't let you. Jump and shoot. (which is kinda funny when he was talking about gun safety (I am pretty sure jumping in the air with a gun is something you never do).

Chaos_HL21

Jumping and shooting in real life is a good way to get you a Darwin Award. You can't put grenades into yout mouth in games too, so many limitations :P

I stopped reading when you said Counter-Strike was a floaty, unrealistic shooter.BobRea

Well, CS is unrealistic.

I would even go as far as saying that it's a tad bit arcadey.

But that's only because it's a fast pased multi player FPS.

Honestly the weighted feel could have been more realistic if they toned it down a bit, mobility in this game gives me the same feeling as when i carry a couple of 80lbdumb bells, and thats considering none of the weight is centered, i'd consider a 50-75 lb jacket of somesort wearing something of that size I'd still be pretty mobile, might not be able to run aroundall day but thats not what we are considering. + something in my hands and some extra equipment but serioulsy still wouldn't feel like kz2.

[QUOTE="BobRea"]I stopped reading when you said Counter-Strike was a floaty, unrealistic shooter.swazidoughman

Well, CS is unrealistic.

I would even go as far as saying that it's a tad bit arcadey.

But that's only because it's a fast pased multi player FPS.

[QUOTE="BobRea"]I stopped reading when you said Counter-Strike was a floaty, unrealistic shooter.swazidoughman

Well, CS is unrealistic.

I would even go as far as saying that it's a tad bit arcadey.

But that's only because it's a fast pased multi player FPS.

CS is arcadey. You can bunny hop, and weapons aren't realistic, due to changes made to balance things, this also affects hit detection sometimes. Atleast that is what I remember, I don't remember which version I used to play, and I haven't played Source much. In the shooter genre there is no such thing as Sims, some games try but they are still far from being realistic anyway, they just "feel" realistic.