XBL users will have to provide their own dedicated servers in upcoming 360 game

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

thats really dumb. You shoulden't have to pay for dedicated servers when the developers or MS should beable to provide some.

thats really dumb. You shoulden't have to pay for dedicated servers when the developers or MS should beable to provide some.

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

thats really dumb. You shoulden't have to pay for dedicated servers when the developers or MS should beable to provide some.

Bluray001

I know that....

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

cowgriller

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

cowgriller

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

cowgriller

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

JangoWuzHere

but that's the thing. you're not going to connect to a dedicated server. your computer will be a dedicated server and you'll host the games on it.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Dedicated servers are never free.JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

savagetwinkie

the only dedicated server will be the users own pc. you're not connecting to a dedicated server.

here's a quote from the article:

"Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game."

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

Bluray001

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

lol, i think i found a use for my ps3, install linux onto it and turn it into a server for xbox games! this makes me pleasedsavagetwinkie

sadly the cell allows that.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

Bluray001

XBL doesn't use Peer to Peer.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

Travis_Odell

he's trying to say you have to pay $40 a year for xbl and then another cost for section 8. all the article he linked says that the user will need to download an app on his computer to use it as a dedicated server. if anything, it's going to be free. he just didn't read the article properly.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

the only dedicated server will be the users own pc. you're not connecting to a dedicated server.

here's a quote from the article:

"Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game."

Section 8 looks really bad. An online game published by SouthPeak = no publicity. This will be the next Warpath. There's not need for dedicated servers when only 2 people will be playing it. A waste, really.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] server software is always free lol, this is cool since someone somewhere will likely be able to make a modded server, plus they'll have dedicated servers, this will just give some people the ability to set up a custom server for friends =D which i dont' think is doo bad.savagetwinkie

the only dedicated server will be the users own pc. you're not connecting to a dedicated server.

here's a quote from the article:

"Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game."

well if your paying for xbl you already have to have an existing high speed modem. if your on the internet, there's a very good chance your on a pc. the software is to turn your pc into a dedicated server when your playing the game. in all likelihood, it is free. tc didn't read the article properly.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] XBL isn't free.Bluray001

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

I just read the link, and I didn't see anything about Microsoft doing anything. Its not even their game. Also TC thinks XBL uses P2P, which shows he doesn't know what hes talking about.

Real weak flamebait on a redundant topic

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

the only dedicated server will be the users own pc. you're not connecting to a dedicated server.

here's a quote from the article:

"Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game."

well if your paying for xbl you already have to have an existing high speed modem. if your on the internet, there's a very good chance your on a pc. the software is to turn your pc into a dedicated server when your playing the game. in all likelihood, it is free. tc didn't read the article properly.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] no extra charge =/= no charge. Hence, XBL users pay 50 bucks a year for peer 2 peer matchmaking and have to provide their own dedicated servers... no wonder charging for XBL flopped on the PC.Bluray001

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

Its up to the developers whether or not they want to setup D-servers. So far, only SONY does it because they are the only ones with the money to do so. Every other game uses the same user-client network XBL users do.

no extra charge =/= no charge. Hence, XBL users pay 50 bucks a year for peer 2 peer matchmaking and have to provide their own dedicated servers... no wonder charging for XBL flopped on the PC.Bluray001

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

no extra charge =/= no charge. Hence, XBL users pay 50 bucks a year for peer 2 peer matchmaking and have to provide their own dedicated servers... no wonder charging for XBL flopped on the PC.Bluray001

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] no extra charge =/= no charge. Hence, XBL users pay 50 bucks a year for peer 2 peer matchmaking and have to provide their own dedicated servers... no wonder charging for XBL flopped on the PC.Bluray001

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

you do realize that not all ps3 games are hosted on dedicated servers right? you do realize that games like warhawk are actually p2p based right? and you do realize that ms also provides dedicated servers for games right? see, i can be a smartass to.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

you do realize that not all ps3 games are hosted on dedicated servers right? you do realize that games like warhawk are actually p2p based right? and you do realise that ms also provides dedicated servers for games right? see, i can be a smartass to.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

no extra charge on top of the xbl means actually does mean no charge.btw, xbl for pc flopped because pc gamers have had free dedicated servers for years and weren't willing to pay for it.

Bluray001

You do realize that on PSN, dedicated servers are provided for free, right? The same thing for PC, right? XDBluray001

you do realize that not all ps3 games are hosted on dedicated servers right? you do realize that games like warhawk are actually p2p based right? and you do realise that ms also provides dedicated servers for games right? see, i can be a smartass to.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] You do realize that on PSN, dedicated servers are provided for free, right? The same thing for PC, right? XDBluray001

you do realize that not all ps3 games are hosted on dedicated servers right? you do realize that games like warhawk are actually p2p based right? and you do realise that ms also provides dedicated servers for games right? see, i can be a smartass to.

i was really hoping you said that. :D

here's why:

Those of you familiar with Warhawk already know that the game features a very unique server method that we call "Integrated Game Server" or IGS for short - the industry needs more acronyms don't you think :-)

The Warhawk IGS method means that instead of us forcing players to be connected to the SONY "mothership" for any and all games, we instead let players host their own servers on their own PS3s. This is fairly unique and it enables a couple of really nice benefits.

you know what that second bullet means? it means p2p. the server farm is only used to route the players but the games are hosted by the users own ps3. here's a link.

btw: look at that pic closer. those are ps3's not actual servers.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

you do realize that not all ps3 games are hosted on dedicated servers right? you do realize that games like warhawk are actually p2p based right? and you do realise that ms also provides dedicated servers for games right? see, i can be a smartass to.

i was really hoping you said that. :D

here's why:

Those of you familiar with Warhawk already know that the game features a very unique server method that we call "Integrated Game Server" or IGS for short - the industry needs more acronyms don't you think :-)

The Warhawk IGS method means that instead of us forcing players to be connected to the SONY "mothership" for any and all games, we instead let players host their own servers on their own PS3s. This is fairly unique and it enables a couple of really nice benefits.

you know what that second bullet means? it means p2p. the server farm is only used to route the players but the games are hosted by the users own ps3. here's a link.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] server software is always free lol, this is cool since someone somewhere will likely be able to make a modded server, plus they'll have dedicated servers, this will just give some people the ability to set up a custom server for friends =D which i dont' think is doo bad.savagetwinkie

the only dedicated server will be the users own pc. you're not connecting to a dedicated server.

here's a quote from the article:

"Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game."

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] Warhawk server farm Try again.Bluray001

i was really hoping you said that. :D

here's why:

Those of you familiar with Warhawk already know that the game features a very unique server method that we call "Integrated Game Server" or IGS for short - the industry needs more acronyms don't you think :-)

The Warhawk IGS method means that instead of us forcing players to be connected to the SONY "mothership" for any and all games, we instead let players host their own servers on their own PS3s. This is fairly unique and it enables a couple of really nice benefits.

you know what that second bullet means? it means p2p. the server farm is only used to route the players but the games are hosted by the users own ps3. here's a link.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

you do realize that not all ps3 games are hosted on dedicated servers right? you do realize that games like warhawk are actually p2p based right? and you do realise that ms also provides dedicated servers for games right? see, i can be a smartass to.

i was really hoping you said that. :D

here's why:

Those of you familiar with Warhawk already know that the game features a very unique server method that we call "Integrated Game Server" or IGS for short - the industry needs more acronyms don't you think :-)

The Warhawk IGS method means that instead of us forcing players to be connected to the SONY "mothership" for any and all games, we instead let players host their own servers on their own PS3s. This is fairly unique and it enables a couple of really nice benefits.

you know what that second bullet means? it means p2p. the server farm is only used to route the players but the games are hosted by the users own ps3. here's a link.

I have no idea but I was playing the 1 vs 100 live beta earlier and it had over 90,000 people playing in the same episode. That's crazy.

Keep reading further down the article. The IGS is provided on top of the dedicated servers Sony provides.Bluray001

oh i read the whole article. which is why i posted it. what you missed is that sony's dedicated servers are only ranked games and are slow. for all other matches on warhawk, an individuals ps3 acts like a small server to connect to larger one to play against someone else's personal server, in other words, a p2p network. the "dedicate server farm" you pictured are actually hundreds of ps3's tht do nothing more than direct one gamer to another. the games aren't actually hosted on them. it's still p2p.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

the only dedicated server will be the users own pc. you're not connecting to a dedicated server.

here's a quote from the article:

"Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game."

mgs_freak91

[QUOTE="Bluray001"]Keep reading further down the article. The IGS is provided on top of the dedicated servers Sony provides.cowgriller

oh i read the whole article. which is why i posted it. what you missed is that sony's dedicated servers are only ranked games and are slow. for all other matches on warhawk, an individuals ps3 acts like a small server to connect to larger one to play against someone else's personal server, in other words, a p2p network. the "dedicate server farm" you pictured are actually hundreds of ps3's tht do nothing more than direct one gamer to another. the games aren't actually hosted on them. it's still p2p.

i hate to say this, but just cuz a player host doesn't mean its p2p, p2p there is no single host, just a primary, but your still connected to everyone else, so this makes it easy to switch hosts if they DC or something, kinda how halo doesn't end the game, or disconnect everyone. I'm not sure how warhawk works, if the host leaves does it try migrating it? This is partially why peer 2 peer is used alot on live though, M$ has really good connection algorithms, so it works well. Where if you were to play COD WAW on ps3, it has a very hard time migrating the server ;( savagetwinkie

the servers that are used are only to direct the ps3's, the servers themselves don't actually host the game (except of course for sony's own dedicated servers but those are used only for ranked games.) ms does something similar for its online games.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"]Keep reading further down the article. The IGS is provided on top of the dedicated servers Sony provides.Bluray001

oh i read the whole article. which is why i posted it. what you missed is that sony's dedicated servers are only ranked games and are slow. for all other matches on warhawk, an individuals ps3 acts like a small server to connect to larger one to play against someone else's personal server, in other words, a p2p network. the "dedicate server farm" you pictured are actually hundreds of ps3's tht do nothing more than direct one gamer to another. the games aren't actually hosted on them. it's still p2p.

it changes things in that you said that all sony online games run through a dedicated server when in fact there are games that use p2p.

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

cowgriller

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] if yoru running that software on your pc, and not the game, then your pc will be a dedicated server for that game.... that software is alwyas free, for every game i've ever seen. The hardware however is not, you have to have a pc to turn into a dedicated server and internet to be able to use it. But either way the company can set up the servers, or you can now. Which i believe they said they were going to have any way. But the nice part about being able to set up our own servers, sometimes tweaks can be made, like i've seen a COD game with 80players because someone set up the server to allow that many people.savagetwinkie

it's probably limited in that it only allows for shorter lag time. i doubt the dev are ms will allow the user to bustomize any aspect of the game itself (other than choosing the level and weapons of course.)