XBL users will have to provide their own dedicated servers in upcoming 360 game

Epic Fail.

XBL isn't free.Bluray001

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

did you guys read the article? "Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game. When playing on a dedicated server -- developer TimeGate will be hosting some as well This has been going on for literally decades on PC and its always free, not really sure why this is such a big issue. When is giving people more options a bad thing??POJO_MOFO

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

cowgriller

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

The point is if you have a gold account, you're paying a subscription fee for a stupid matchmaking/chat system which in and of itself is highway robbery, but when a game is trying to ditch p2p for dedicated servers, MS won't even shell out the relatively tiny cost (relative to what they make off xbl) to maintan a couple of servers, and instead pass that cost on to consumers. While it's "free" to run a dedicated server off your own pc, the point is all the maintenance, power, costs etc that should have been shouldered by microsoft, will be shouldered instead by the collective poor schmucks who run their own servers. So in essence, the people who run servers as a whole are paying what MS rightfully should have paid at the very least considering it's charging a subscription fee for services that programs on PC have provided for free for years, and now a service that PSN is providing for free. Not only that, as xbl's direct competition, sony provides and maintains dedicated servers for many of their games.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] XBL isn't free.ace52387

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

The point is if you have a gold account, you're paying a subscription fee for a stupid matchmaking/chat system which in and of itself is highway robbery, but when a game is trying to ditch p2p for dedicated servers, MS won't even shell out the relatively tiny cost (relative to what they make off xbl) to maintan a couple of servers, and instead pass that cost on to consumers. While it's "free" to run a dedicated server off your own pc, the point is all the maintenance, power, costs etc that should have been shouldered by microsoft, will be shouldered instead by the collective poor schmucks who run their own servers. So in essence, the people who run servers as a whole are paying what MS rightfully should have paid at the very least considering it's charging a subscription fee for services that programs on PC have provided for free for years, and now a service that PSN is providing for free. Not only that, as xbl's direct competition, sony provides and maintains dedicated servers for many of their games.

Damn XBL really is trash. But I guess that's the price you pay to have those really "cool" bootleg Mii avatars huh? "Bam! There it is..."

did you guys read the article? "Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game. When playing on a dedicated server -- developer TimeGate will be hosting some as well This has been going on for literally decades on PC and its always free, not really sure why this is such a big issue. When is giving people more options a bad thing??POJO_MOFO

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]lol, i think i found a use for my ps3, install linux onto it and turn it into a server for xbox games! this makes me pleasedxscott1018

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

cowgriller

it likely will be free, i think he just means people are paying a yearly fee for providing their own online gaming service.

while i don't think anybody likes the xbox live fee, this company is just offering more than what usually happens, which is actually a good thing. games tend to be p2p only on live, this allows people to use their computers as servers too.

microsoft don't really have anything to do with this.

[QUOTE="POJO_MOFO"]did you guys read the article? "Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game. When playing on a dedicated server -- developer TimeGate will be hosting some as well This has been going on for literally decades on PC and its always free, not really sure why this is such a big issue. When is giving people more options a bad thing??Bluray001

I'll gladly pay that $50 a year for XBL, especially since it is vastly superior to PSN.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="POJO_MOFO"]did you guys read the article? "Players will be able to download an application on their PC that will allow them to turn it into a dedicated server for the game. When playing on a dedicated server -- developer TimeGate will be hosting some as well This has been going on for literally decades on PC and its always free, not really sure why this is such a big issue. When is giving people more options a bad thing??Sir_Lawl

I'll gladly pay that $50 a year for XBL, especially since it is vastly superior to PSN.

[QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] Except people pay 50 dollars on Xbox Live for something that has "always been free".Bluray001

I'll gladly pay that $50 a year for XBL, especially since it is vastly superior to PSN.

XBL also provides dedicated servers. And not every PS3 game has dedicated servers. Only a couple, so I wouldn't really brag about it.

There is absolutely nothing good about PSN. You have Home, which is trash filled with advertisements and boring minigames.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="Sir_Lawl"]

I'll gladly pay that $50 a year for XBL, especially since it is vastly superior to PSN.

XBL also provides dedicated servers. And not every PS3 game has dedicated servers. Only a couple, so I wouldn't really brag about it.

There is absolutely nothing good about PSN. You have Home, which is trash filled with advertisements and boring minigames.

I love the XBL threads. They are always filled to the brim with misinformation and ignorance.

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]

90% of servers in most popular PC FPS's are payed for by users, I don't see any difference.

Brownesque

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] XBL isn't free.ace52387

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

The point is if you have a gold account, you're paying a subscription fee for a stupid matchmaking/chat system which in and of itself is highway robbery, but when a game is trying to ditch p2p for dedicated servers, MS won't even shell out the relatively tiny cost (relative to what they make off xbl) to maintan a couple of servers, and instead pass that cost on to consumers. While it's "free" to run a dedicated server off your own pc, the point is all the maintenance, power, costs etc that should have been shouldered by microsoft, will be shouldered instead by the collective poor schmucks who run their own servers. So in essence, the people who run servers as a whole are paying what MS rightfully should have paid at the very least considering it's charging a subscription fee for services that programs on PC have provided for free for years, and now a service that PSN is providing for free. Not only that, as xbl's direct competition, sony provides and maintains dedicated servers for many of their games.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

The point is if you have a gold account, you're paying a subscription fee for a stupid matchmaking/chat system which in and of itself is highway robbery, but when a game is trying to ditch p2p for dedicated servers, MS won't even shell out the relatively tiny cost (relative to what they make off xbl) to maintan a couple of servers, and instead pass that cost on to consumers. While it's "free" to run a dedicated server off your own pc, the point is all the maintenance, power, costs etc that should have been shouldered by microsoft, will be shouldered instead by the collective poor schmucks who run their own servers. So in essence, the people who run servers as a whole are paying what MS rightfully should have paid at the very least considering it's charging a subscription fee for services that programs on PC have provided for free for years, and now a service that PSN is providing for free. Not only that, as xbl's direct competition, sony provides and maintains dedicated servers for many of their games.

UFC 2009 is proof that when it comes to peer to peer, it provides the exact same service as PSN. The only difference is PSN is free.

In UFC 2009, XBL and PSN players use the exact same Gamespy Matchmaking and statkeeping servers.

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

UFC 2009 is proof that when it comes to peer to peer, it provides the exact same service as PSN. The only difference is PSN is free.

In UFC 2009, XBL and PSN players use the exact same Gamespy Matchmaking and statkeeping servers.

Bluray001

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

Am I the only one who thinks that matchmaking and p2p is actually a decent feature? I mean its so much easier to get 1 match games together and get much more varied gameplay types.

With dedicated servers you usually miss out on over half the maps as people pick their favorites and stay with those. Then you get dedicated servers that don't actually play any map but one. Then you have to actually look for an empty spot. Sure on the Pc this is fine as you have quick interfaces and a mouse and keyboard to quickly set fliters and stuff. With a console though, you wont have these things because of the controller. I say stick with matchmaking and let me get into games quicker.

[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Dedicated servers are never free.savagetwinkie

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

Bluray001

Dude, your just trolling. Where is the proof?

[QUOTE="Bluray001"]

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

Dude, your just trolling. Where is the proof?

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

Am I the only one who thinks that matchmaking and p2p is actually a decent feature? I mean its so much easier to get 1 match games together and get much more varied gameplay types.

With dedicated servers you usually miss out on over half the maps as people pick their favorites and stay with those. Then you get dedicated servers that don't actually play any map but one. Then you have to actually look for an empty spot. Sure on the Pc this is fine as you have quick interfaces and a mouse and keyboard to quickly set fliters and stuff. With a console though, you wont have these things because of the controller. I say stick with matchmaking and let me get into games quicker.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Bluray001"]

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

Dude, your just trolling. Where is the proof?

lol, i think i found a use for my ps3, install linux onto it and turn it into a server for xbox games! this makes me pleasedsavagetwinkie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Am I the only one who thinks that matchmaking and p2p is actually a decent feature? I mean its so much easier to get 1 match games together and get much more varied gameplay types.

With dedicated servers you usually miss out on over half the maps as people pick their favorites and stay with those. Then you get dedicated servers that don't actually play any map but one. Then you have to actually look for an empty spot. Sure on the Pc this is fine as you have quick interfaces and a mouse and keyboard to quickly set fliters and stuff. With a console though, you wont have these things because of the controller. I say stick with matchmaking and let me get into games quicker.

HuusAsking

actually when you use dedicated servers you trade host advantage for speed advantage, the user closest and with the least amount of latency to the server gets an advantage to those that aren't.

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Am I the only one who thinks that matchmaking and p2p is actually a decent feature? I mean its so much easier to get 1 match games together and get much more varied gameplay types.

With dedicated servers you usually miss out on over half the maps as people pick their favorites and stay with those. Then you get dedicated servers that don't actually play any map but one. Then you have to actually look for an empty spot. Sure on the Pc this is fine as you have quick interfaces and a mouse and keyboard to quickly set fliters and stuff. With a console though, you wont have these things because of the controller. I say stick with matchmaking and let me get into games quicker.

WilliamRLBaker

actually when you use dedicated servers you trade host advantage for speed advantage, the user closest and with the least amount of latency to the server gets an advantage to those that aren't.

[QUOTE="Xerran"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"]

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

Bluray001

Dude, your just trolling. Where is the proof?

Sure. You got any?

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Dedicated servers are never free.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="Xerran"]

Dude, your just trolling. Where is the proof?

Jamex1987

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"] You can easily run a server from your home pc and play on the 360. I wish more games would do this. It doesn't cost a thing.Jamex1987

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]You probably are. The big complaints from gamers seem to be lag (especially uneven lag) and the related problem of host advantage. That's why the big clamor for dedicated servers--a dedicated machine can devote all its time to the game's back end, especially the networking, so doesn't have to juggle CPU so much and the netcode isn't at risk of getting bogged down. Not only that, since everyone has to jump the network to reach the server, there's no host advantage--the lag issue boils down to the same issues faced by any netgoer--geography and the backhaul (where end users have no more control).HuusAsking

actually when you use dedicated servers you trade host advantage for speed advantage, the user closest and with the least amount of latency to the server gets an advantage to those that aren't.

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"] WHy would Microaoft provide dedicated servers for a 3rd party game?WilliamRLBaker

That really dosen't make any sense, itwill still cost you 50 dollars a year to play ANY games online with xbox360 no matter who provides it 1st or 3rd party

How dose talking about what sony dose change that fact?

if its on sony's PS3 regardless of whether it's dedicated serviers on1st party games or per to per on 3rd party games it's still aFREE service to all it's users. You trying to turn this around and point the finger at sony in some kind of way is really rediclious.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Bluray001"] Because they charge 50 bucks a year?gaboi09

Thatreally dosen't make any sense, itwill stillcost you 50 dollars a year to play ANY games online with xbox360 no matter who provides it 1st or 3rd party

if its on sony'sPS3 regardless of whether it's dedicated serviers on1st partygames or per to per on 3rd party games it's still aFREE service to allit'susers. You trying to turn this around and point the finger at sony in some kind of way is really rediclious.