XBL users will have to provide their own dedicated servers in upcoming 360 game

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

oh i read the whole article. which is why i posted it. what you missed is that sony's dedicated servers are only ranked games and are slow. for all other matches on warhawk, an individuals ps3 acts like a small server to connect to larger one to play against someone else's personal server, in other words, a p2p network. the "dedicate server farm" you pictured are actually hundreds of ps3's tht do nothing more than direct one gamer to another. the games aren't actually hosted on them. it's still p2p.

it changes things in that you said that all sony online games run through a dedicated server when in fact there are games that use p2p.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

II_Seraphim_II

lol :lol: thanks for the cheap laugh. but hey, at least they don't charge over $100 for a service pack update*cough*apple*cough*

Maybe MS plans to drop the price of Xbox Live, or dare i say, drop the price altogether.Kokuro_Kun

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] Nah, they are super fast. How does this change the fact that Sony provides Dedicated servers for play on warhawk? The Peer to Peer is just a supplement for people who want smaller scale games.Bluray001

it changes things in that you said that all sony online games run through a dedicated server when in fact there are games that use p2p.

once again, i proved the point that not every ps3 game runs solely through a dedicated server. ms charges for the ability to play online, regardless how it's done, because they needed to make money from the money pit that was the xbox 1. not only that, but the money made from it helps for them to pay for exclusove dlc and content from movie/tv studios.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

You really think that Microsoft is going to allow anything like that for an Xbox 360 game? They don't even let custom mods for Unreal - I doubt we will be seeing any 80 players online for the 360 version of COD4. The best that this is going to do is what it was intended to do, give players dedicated servers - which is great, so hopefully you don't have to pay for it.mgs_freak91

it's probably limited in that it only allows for shorter lag time. i doubt the dev are ms will allow the user to bustomize any aspect of the game itself (other than choosing the level and weapons of course.)

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

it changes things in that you said that all sony online games run through a dedicated server when in fact there are games that use p2p.

once again, i proved the point that not every ps3 game runs solely through a dedicated server. ms charges for the ability to play online, regardless how it's done, because they needed to make money from the money pit that was the xbox 1. not only that, but the money made from it helps for them to pay for exclusove dlc and content from movie/tv studios.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

it changes things in that you said that all sony online games run through a dedicated server when in fact there are games that use p2p.

once again, i proved the point that not every ps3 game runs solely through a dedicated server. ms charges for the ability to play online, regardless how it's done, because they needed to make money from the money pit that was the xbox 1. not only that, but the money made from it helps for them to pay for exclusove dlc and content from movie/tv studios.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] They don't have a choice if we own the servers, I'm not saying custum content but having the server and being able to tweak everything about the game, if theres spawn invincibility likely theres a timer for that, physics settings, everything, thats how most server software works, this could be more limited, though M$ can likely say they aren't allowed to have us download stuff off the server. IT really depends on teh company making the server software, it says they'll have them with up to 32 players, it doesn't sound like its goign to restrict us to that though.

savagetwinkie

it's probably limited in that it only allows for shorter lag time. i doubt the dev are ms will allow the user to bustomize any aspect of the game itself (other than choosing the level and weapons of course.)

look out. ms might ban you from using your own pc.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

it's probably limited in that it only allows for shorter lag time. i doubt the dev are ms will allow the user to bustomize any aspect of the game itself (other than choosing the level and weapons of course.)

cowgriller

look out. ms might ban you from using your own pc.

edit: theres -> theirs

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

TheGreatOutdoor

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] We really don't know yet, but if we have the software, likely we'll be able to do more with it. I mention the them putting up 32 players, since, they didn't say the servers are limited to 32 players, but thats how much they would support. likely we'll get some freedom with this, if not, we can still hack it lol. The game side we can't do anything on, but anything the server handles then its pretty much fair game. It probably won't be as restricted as setting up a match from within a gamesavagetwinkie

look out. ms might ban you from using your own pc.

edit: theres -> theirs

don't worry. grammar mistakes happen to everyone. the users dedicated server will probably connect to the regional server or even the main server itself to provide for regional matchmaking with low lag times. honestly, we'll have to wait for more info to come out but that's just my guess.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

look out. ms might ban you from using your own pc.

edit: theres -> theirs

don't worry. grammar mistakes happen to everyone. the users dedicated server will probably connect to the regional server or even the main server itself to provide for regional matchmaking with low lag times. honestly, we'll have to wait for more info to come out but that's just my guess.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] its not going to be M$ software, what was that company again? its theirs, the game itself has to pass M$ stuff, but how do they handle servers? we might even get to play for free on our own servers, not that it matters since we'll have to pay for live to play any other game.

edit: theres -> theirs

don't worry. grammar mistakes happen to everyone. the users dedicated server will probably connect to the regional server or even the main server itself to provide for regional matchmaking with low lag times. honestly, we'll have to wait for more info to come out but that's just my guess.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] its not going to be M$ software, what was that company again? its theirs, the game itself has to pass M$ stuff, but how do they handle servers? we might even get to play for free on our own servers, not that it matters since we'll have to pay for live to play any other game.

edit: theres -> theirs

savagetwinkie

don't worry. grammar mistakes happen to everyone. the users dedicated server will probably connect to the regional server or even the main server itself to provide for regional matchmaking with low lag times. honestly, we'll have to wait for more info to come out but that's just my guess.

god i would hate to see those hacked games. but i but they'd make for some funny youtube videos. :)

My input to this thread: LOLWUT?!-RocBoys9489-

normally i'd say your trolling but you like american gangster. you are forgiven.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]My input to this thread: LOLWUT?!cowgriller

normally i'd say your trolling but you like american gangster. you are forgiven.

90% of servers in most popular PC FPS's are payed for by users, I don't see any difference.

I didn't read a single thing about users having to pay for them. It only said provide.

lol, i think i found a use for my ps3, install linux onto it and turn it into a server for xbox games! this makes me pleasedsavagetwinkie

You're title is misleading. XBL users will NOT have to provide their own dedicated servers. It's just optional for them.

EA and a few others provide servers for free on XBL.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"]

XBL to use user dedicated servers

So XBL users pay Microsoft an annual fee for peer to peer matchmaking, and have to provide their own dedicated servers? Isn't this the equivelant of going to a restaurant, paying for dinner but having to cook the dinner yourself and provide your own silverware, glasses and plates?

XBL doesn't use Peer to Peer.

That's how it works for the most part on PC. Expect, not everyone has to pay... only those organizing the servers and their donation providers.

And really, at least they are finally letting people use servers... don't complain.

That's how it works for the most part on PC. Expect, not everyone has to pay... only those organizing the servers and their donation providers.

And really, at least they are finally letting people use servers... don't complain.

foxhound_fox

90% of servers in most popular PC FPS's are payed for by users, I don't see any difference.

TOAO_Cyrus1

EA and a few others provide servers for free on XBL.

PS3_3DO

Seriously, edit the title. You've made stuff up in the hopes no ones going to read it. You've failed.

So in order to play this game you need a wireless network to play this game? Do the recent 360's come with in bulit wireless? if not than thats pretty fail, if they do then fair enough

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

and exactly where does it say the user will have to pay anything? it just says the user will have to download an app on their pc that turns it into a server. for all we know, it could be free.

cowgriller

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

you do realize that not all ps3 games are hosted on dedicated servers right? you do realize that games like warhawk are actually p2p based right? and you do realise that ms also provides dedicated servers for games right? see, i can be a smartass to.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

thats really dumb. You shoulden't have to pay for dedicated servers when the developers or MS should beable to provide some.

Bluray001

Dedicated servers = little to no lag! Thats Win in my books.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Bluray001"] XBL isn't free.Bluray001

but in order to play this game you'd already need a gold account. the dedicated server is you8r pc and likely has no cost associated meaning no extra charge.

Cows are amazing. How they can make a good thing looks bad is very impressive.

Lets keep in mind, PSN has few games which use dedicated servers. In reality, only about 4 more games use dedicated servers on PSN, as opposed to Xbox Live.

This game will give Xbox users the options that PC users have had for years.

Hopefully, this will be implemented as standard in the future.

I thought it was understood here in SW's that only cows have pc gaming rigs :) Wouldn't low memory computers and people haveing all of these applications running on their pc's affect the gameplay on their pc dedicated server for the game? Also I just see a new way to cheat for some people. I mean its bad enough sometimes on pc but now I guess 360 users will feel that wrath of these guys who will manipulate the server client lol.

[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Dedicated servers are never free.JangoWuzHere

I thought it was understood here in SW's that only cows have pc gaming rigs :) Wouldn't low memory computers and people haveing all of these applications running on their pc's affect the gameplay on their pc dedicated server for the game? Also I just see a new way to cheat for some people. I mean its bad enough sometimes on pc but now I guess 360 users will feel that wrath of these guys who will manipulate the server client lol.

GreyFoXX4

I thought it was understood here in SW's that only cows have pc gaming rigs :) Wouldn't low memory computers and people haveing all of these applications running on their pc's affect the gameplay on their pc dedicated server for the game? Also I just see a new way to cheat for some people. I mean its bad enough sometimes on pc but now I guess 360 users will feel that wrath of these guys who will manipulate the server client lol.

GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]FTA: When playing on a dedicated server -- developer TimeGate will be hosting some as well, incidentally -- Section 8 will support multiplayer matches of up to 32 players.

So not only is the company hosting its own servers, but its allowing those like me with decent PCs and a fast connection to establish our own hosts. I think this is the best of both worlds, and is bad why?SpruceCaboose