Xbox 2 Reveal Coming In Spring, Xbox 1.5 Later This Year, Xbox TV In The Works- RUMOR

The same way my nearly 12 teraflop PC can share games with one.

Xbox 2 isn't the same as PS4Neo. the gap is too wide, xbone can barely even mirror normal PS4 games. Cross platform compatibility will NOT happen with the more powerful xbox.

The new xbox will be able to play original xbone games like PS3 could play PS2 and PS1 games but it will not go the other way around. Original xbone owners will be cut out of future exclusive games made for xbox 2. PS4Neo and PS4 will both use 100% same game disks and content.

Just like Sony and the cows that spent $600 paper weight w/inferior multiplats!

Some juicy rumors right here. Microsoft cooking like a mad man.

Most interesting.

I think we can all agree that E3 is going to be awesome this year. Or a total letdown as all of these upgraded console rumors turn out to be false. Ha, how bitter-sweet that would be.

Xbox Scorpio has to use ZEN for FinFET since AMD dismantled the engineering team group for Jaguar/Puma+. It's all ZEN e.g. ZEN Lite LP, ZEN LP, ZEN and ZEN+.

AMD has ZEN+Next gen GCN SoC scaling from Puma+/Mullins' power consumption levels to 32 core ZEN servers.

@FireEmblem_Man: Except that PS3 actually has exclusive games worth giving a damn about. Xbone has shit for games. 3 years later and not a single AAA exclusive on the system. Who gives a damn about multiplats when PS3 got games like LBP, MGS4, Uncharted 2, TLOU, etc. Lems have gotten shitty flops like Ryse, quantum flop, and Halol 5 to show for all their money spent lol!

O wow the Scorpion is making the cows really salty!

If this is true bye bye Xbox brand, it was nice knowing you.

For me to consider the Scorpio, 3 magical ingredients need to be there:

1-Full backwards compatibility with XOne games

2-Full compatibility with XOne accessories

3-Significantly more powerful than XOne

If those 3 are there I'll jump in for sure, if not I'll assess the situation when all the information is officially announced.

Sony said they will do the same thing that the PS4.5 will share games with the 4.o.

Sony will now have the underpowered, inferior piece of shit soon. MS had enough of cows running around like little bitches.

@SinjinSmythe: Says the clown. It will be hilarious when MS goes through all this effort only for Sony to come in 2018 with the PS5 and squash all lems hopes and dreams. MS and lems are the masters of selfownage. Xbone is proof of this.

@casharmy said:

@loe12k said:

@casharmy said:

@loe12k said:

So xbox has not released more AAA titles? You need to start counting. Xbox has 3 car racing first party exclusives already. Sony had 1. I think it released two shooters. xbox 4 first party shooters.

4 games ahead in margin already. If we include other titles xbox and Sony are about even.

Are you..you're serious?

ok, i'll humor you...go ahead and "NAME" those AAA xbone games for me, maybe you know something I don't.

I list all the AAA titles for xbox one so far,,. Ryse, Dead Rising, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Halo5, Halo MCC, Gears Ultimate, Tombraider( to be released on PS4) Killer instinct, Forza 5, Forza 6, FH2

14 AAA titles you count yours and they have to be AAA

Thanks for that...ok now I can officially say...

Should I even bother counter replying to this when you're counting remasters and confirmed multiplats also coming to PS4 to help fill help fill out the mega thin xbone library of "AAA" titles here?

Do you know how badly I could own you using your own criteria? You can't even count properly that's only 12 games lol at you saying 14 trying to stretch that thin selection.

Honestly, LMAO for you to make the claim that xbone has far more AAA than PS4, that list is even worse than I thought it would be.

So 12 games huh? That (4 of which are only available on xbone) is your serious submission for making that outlandish claim that xbone has FAR more AAA games than PS4???

12 AAA games, far more than PS4...........................................REALLY???

I knew i said 14 just got lazy and decided to not edit it. A Tombraider is still an xbox exclusive tills it arrives on PS4 it can be counted.

PS4 AAA exclusives.

• Killzone: Shadow Fall , Driveclub, Infamous Second Son, The Last of Us Remastered, Bloodborne, God of War III Remastered, The Order: 1886, Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection, Uncharted 4: A Thief's End, Ratchet & Clank

6 new titles 4 remastered versions

Ryse, Dead Rising, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Halo5, Halo MCC, Gears Ultimate, Tombraider( to be released on PS4) Killer instinct, Forza 5, Forza 6, FH2

9 new titles 3 remasters

xbox wins.

Hijacking this post to add a little bit of my pipe dream. It will do all of that and be windows box, support everything on windows store. Have a strange bedfellow relationship with steam consume that pc ecosystem. EA access style. Support all the vr hell as far Phil is concerned psvr as well sony is welcome lol.

Its time for lemmings to come back. Stop hiding behind whatever. "There is no power greater then X" is coming back lol

We are going on rumors here that have fairly good sources about Scorpio and Neo. Where the **** are you coming up with PS5? Your self ownage speaks for itself.

@loe12k: if by wins you mean fails, then yes. Your list is full of multiplats and flops. The only thing Xbone is winning in is in number of consoles being traded in.

It;s also winning in number of AA batteries required for an electronic device in 2016.

@NathanDrakeSwag: LOL, epic.

I plug my controller in to the usb slot don't use batteries.

For most cases, XBO's multi-platform game are slightly inferior PS4's version and consoles uses similar art assets.

PS4 NEO's Polaris 10 with 36 CU is capable to reach 5.83 TFLOPS with 1266Mhz clock speed. That's not even the final Polaris 10 clock speed. Mobile Polaris 10 reached 1350 Mhz.

Mobile Polaris 10 32 CU at 1350 Mhz = 5.53 TFLOPS.

NEO's Polaris 10 36 CU at 911 to 960 Mhz clock speed are just conservative settings.

@casharmy said:

Cross platform compatibility will NOT happen with the more powerful xbox.

Microsoft's DirectX12 ecosystem proven otherwise.

AMD is offering "X core ZEN XX + Polaris XX" combo to multiple vendors e.g. Apple, Sony, MS, and 'etc'.

AMD's additional contracting job to Samsung is not a paper weight.

AMD Polaris and ZEN IP are qualified for TSMC's 16 nm FInFET+ and Samsung 14 nm LPP FinFET.

Semi-Custom SoC enables OEM customers such as Sony, MS and Apple to simplify the assembly process i.e. removing the human from installing the graphics card into a PC. The entire assembly process is mostly automated.

AMD's bundling of ZEN (competitive against Intel Core i7) + Polaris combo is the OEM win.

I'm the odd one I guess and Im happy with current X1/PS4 and their games. Could they get better? Sure, but as it sits to me there is a noticeable difference between them and last gen games. That's all that matters to me.

@tormentos: That would require them to charge you for the games you own. That is against MSFT policy. These streaming devices will probably act to expand your xbox ecosystem.

If you ask me I think all three of these half hearted half gen consoles are destined to be duds; of varying degrees. To echo the sentiment others have stated in this thread, a video game console isn't a phone. A cell phone is something of a status symbol. You go to the club, you see some hot babe, you exchange numbers on your new iPhone7. Nobody gives a **** about your video game machine. Ask Hermits. Not to mention with cell phones there's usually a trade in program to insentivise your purchase. There's nothing going on here but Nintendo releasing the follow up to the horrible flop of WiiU. The Neo is just Sony taking some of the Wind out of the NX's sails while they promote their shitty VR gimmick. Xbone1.5 if it exists would just be some desperate attempt to stay relevant for MS. I would be surprised if MS went in hard with that caca.

lol sorry I didn't ask you to make a list for me, as it's clear you are not in any position to be listing games on Sony's end.

xbox doesn't win anything here.

I'll give you a list of AAA PS4 using the same criteria you had for xbone since you aren't capable of doing that yourself.

• Knack
• Killzone Shadow Fall
• Infamous Second Son
• MLB The Show 2015
• Little Big Planet 3
• Guilty Gear Xrd Sign
• DriveClub
• The Last of Us Remastered
• Disgaea 5
• Until Dawn
• Final Fantasy XIV A relm reborn
• MLB The Show 2016
• Uncharted The Nathan Drake collection
• Dragon Quest Heroes
• Bloodborne
• The Order 1886
• Tearaway Unfolded
• God of War III remastered
• The Talos principal
• MLB The Show 2014
• Ratchet and Clank
• The Witness
• Valkyria Chronicles remastered
• Final Fantasy Heavensword
• Injustice Gods Among us Ultimate Edition
• Heavy Rain and Beyond 2 Souls collection
• Street Fighter V
• Planet Side 2
• Samurai Warriors 4
• Firewatch
• One Piece Pirate warriors 3
• Moto GP 14
• Tales of Zestiria
• Ultra Street Fighter IV
• NIghts of Azure
• Uncharted 4
• sword art online re: hollow fragment
• J Stars Victory Vs
• Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul
• Dead or Alive extreme 3

I'll just stop at an even 40. You can proceed to damage control, excuses, deflection, goal post moving and backtracking now.

32 new titles, 6 remasters, 2 update editions of current franchises

vs

9 new titles, 2 remasters, 1 update edition of a current franchise

And that's a wrap for you and your argument here.

lol "xbox wins"

nvm i need to read things more clearly. how well did apple tv manage to do

Yes and the xbox was a total failure,so are you ready to call the xbox one a failure.?

You don't kill a successful console 4 years into its life the xbox one arrived 8 years after the 360,double the xbox life,and the PS4 7 years after.

So i think the xbox scorpio is more like neo than a new successor,also successors are not forward compatible with old machines,the xbox 360 was with the xbox the xbox wasn't with the xbox 360,just like the PS3 was compatible with the PS2 but the PS2 wasn't compatible with PS3 games.

So is basically a carbon copy of what sony is doing with neo,other wise games for Scorpio will not run on xbox one.

Just like a don't think a refresh PS4 is a bad idea i don't think a more powerful xbox is a bad idea either i think they will capitalize on this new opportunity.

Like most of your pathetic arguments you fail.

Neo under power.? with a Polaris 10 GPU 911mhz.? That shit can run 60FPS on Hitman at 1440p on max settings,that is Fury like performance,what the hell man,hell considering that is being said Neo hit this year even more,you have to wait a full year for the Scorpio IF it doesn't get delay.

Also i don't think MS is moving next gen,that would imply that Scorpio games would not be compatible with the xbox one,and the xbox one would need its own version which could cause problems specially if MS want to force people to move and start doing what they did with Titanfall which was delay on purpose on 360 so that people got it on XBO.

But hey watch how if you were from those lemmings who pretended graphics didn't matter this gen you may end burn.lol

@tormentos: Staying with AMD/Intel X86-64, current consoles will remain forward compatible with the next gen consoles.

ZEN Lite LP (AVX v2) and Polaris 10 (2.5X perf/watt)

ZEN+ Lite LP (AVX-512 bit) and Vega XX (4X perf/watt) ~232 mm^2 chip variant (AMD's 2nd gen FinFET).

ZEN++ Lite LP (AVX-1024 bit??) and Navi XX (5X perf/watt).

Both MIPS and PowerPC CPUs are not keeping with Intel AVX SIMDs.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/194495-intels-third-generation-xeon-phi-to-use-10nm-technology-deploy-second-generation-omni-path-fabric

The current AVX specification allows for extensions of up to 1024 bits in length, however, so Intel has left this option open in the long term.

One refresh is kinda shitty but okay in my book but according to this rumor, they are doing 2. It's dumb as hell.

Why release an Xbone 1.5 in the next coming months and then and Xbone 2 barely a year later? Sounds totally idiotic. Who are they expecting to buy these multiple Xbone's within a short space of time? At least Sony is only doing the Neo for now and it's releasing most likely this year to go along with their VR plans. Who is MS targeting?

They don't share games,is not like you can put a PC game on your xbox one,the xbox one get a weak version just like the 360 did for tomb raider,the only difference it the xbox 360 was 10 years old when that happen,the xbox one is not even 3.

That is not the same as Neo were 1 version fits all.

lol the PS3 got superior exclusives,free online play,share your games with friends,mods,PC vs PS3,internet browser,free netflix,hulu and other without pay walls,no 50% fail rated.,blu-ray,7.1 loss less sound more powerful platform,and $1,400 worth of hardware for $600.

And you have to dust off this account to post that..hahahaa

Be a man and post from your normal account,oh wait you probably talking shit about Neo on the other account,and now have to use this one to not look like an ass.lol

If funny i don't see the lemmings who hated Neo guts and claimed segregation,user base fracture,and all that crap and there is a rare abundance of shitty accounts like this ones and several others which are nothing but dusted alt account.

It surely would be fun seeing lemmings caring about power again,oh i can't stop salivating at the quoting spree i would have..lol

There is something about this list i can't quite put my finger on it..oh yeah is full of shit..

Counting Tomb Raider for XBO,but not counting,MLB,SF5,Salt and Sanctuary,Resogun,Hell Divers,FF,Valkiar Chronicles,Alienation,Day of the tentacle..

But then again you don't know what AAA means which is 90,which non of those games you mention is by metacritic.

I think you're not understanding the comment, I'm clearly talking about scalability...

A new gen is coming and we didn't even have the time to see the 30%+ performance gain from the mighty DX12? Bu bu but whyyyy??? We need to let Xbone more time to improve. DX12 was promised to do a lot for the Bone, we're still waiting.

Oh you mean in terms of hardware capabilities.

What we all didn't realize was DirectX 12 was an entirely new console.

No, everything. Sales, gfx, library, gamers, multiplats, online.

Phil Spencer himself says he's interested in console that are now both forwards and backwards compatible.

Yeah I think i'll wait until MS announces what they're doing at E3 before making any judgements.

LOL at you guys going hard out about nothing more (right now) then just rumours.

@dynamitecop said:

@silversix_ said:

A new gen is coming and we didn't even have the time to see the 30%+ performance gain from the mighty DX12? Bu bu but whyyyy??? We need to let Xbone more time to improve. DX12 was promised to do a lot for the Bone, we're still waiting.

What we all didn't realize was DirectX 12 was an entirely new console.

^ ^ Moving goalposts and failing.

Last time I checked throwing in the towel and abandoning the Xbone isn't the same thing as saving it with DX12.

1. Multiplatform games sell better on consoles.

2. Most PCs out in the wild can't run current gen games so you can't count them into the mix. The amount of dedicated gaming PCs that can run current gen games is around the same or lower than consoles sold per generation.

@quadknight said:

@dynamitecop said:

@silversix_ said:

A new gen is coming and we didn't even have the time to see the 30%+ performance gain from the mighty DX12? Bu bu but whyyyy??? We need to let Xbone more time to improve. DX12 was promised to do a lot for the Bone, we're still waiting.

What we all didn't realize was DirectX 12 was an entirely new console.

^ ^ Moving goalposts and failing.

Last time I checked throwing in the towel and abandoning the Xbone isn't the same thing as saving it with DX12.

I knew you were a bit slow, but clearly you can't even understand a black and white joke...

1. I meant better played on PC. PC gaming sales are overall twice more than PS4.

2. According to steam hardware survey and global gaming hardware sales there are 2x more PCs better PS4s than the number of PS4s sold (And that is extremely conservative, and only Steam!). Like last gen, by the end of this gen it should be 4-6x

@SinjinSmythe: not if it doesn't have any exclusives.

@dynamitecop said:

@quadknight said:

@dynamitecop said:

@silversix_ said:

A new gen is coming and we didn't even have the time to see the 30%+ performance gain from the mighty DX12? Bu bu but whyyyy??? We need to let Xbone more time to improve. DX12 was promised to do a lot for the Bone, we're still waiting.

What we all didn't realize was DirectX 12 was an entirely new console.

^ ^ Moving goalposts and failing.

Last time I checked throwing in the towel and abandoning the Xbone isn't the same thing as saving it with DX12.

I knew you were a bit slow, but clearly you can't even understand a black and white joke...

"A black and white joke"

Is that what you call failing? Because right now the only joke I see here is you and the Xbone.

@dynamitecop said:

@silversix_ said:

A new gen is coming and we didn't even have the time to see the 30%+ performance gain from the mighty DX12? Bu bu but whyyyy??? We need to let Xbone more time to improve. DX12 was promised to do a lot for the Bone, we're still waiting.

What we all didn't realize was DirectX 12 was an entirely new console.

Here comes a new hope. Be ready to be disappointed. But i bet you already knew that. Living on hope and MS promises is the usual lem life.

1. Overall yes PC sells more games because PC has a much bigger library, but in terms of multiplats consoles sell the most.

2. Please show me a link that proves that there 2 - 3x more PCs sold with better hardware than the PS4. No way in hell is there 80 - 120 million PCs sold that can outperform the PS4. I call BS on that.

@silversix_ said:

@dynamitecop said:

@silversix_ said:

A new gen is coming and we didn't even have the time to see the 30%+ performance gain from the mighty DX12? Bu bu but whyyyy??? We need to let Xbone more time to improve. DX12 was promised to do a lot for the Bone, we're still waiting.

What we all didn't realize was DirectX 12 was an entirely new console.

Here comes a new hope. Be ready to be disappointed. But i bet you already knew that. Living on hope and MS promises is the usual lem life.

Pfft, DX12 and Cloud button, below them is China and now this.

It's just FinFET noise from AMD and both MS and Sony are carried with it.

Both Sony and MS has the option to down clock Polaris into lesser GCNs.

Stay with IBM for near static hardware specs i.e. need extra $$$ from Sony for CELL R&D upgrade. On PC X86, timely hardware upgrades arrives regardless of Sony/MS.

1. So you agree it's first place in sales then? Okay. Thanks? There isn't much left to debate here.

2. Steam hardware survey around 60% of machines better than PS4. There are around 150m estimate active users now. And steam isn't the whole of PC.

oh wow. There is a lot of fear posting going on here. I mean... wow a lot! Lets just wait until E3 before we start overreacting and flipping out shall we? As for why they would release a slim and a upgrade next year? It could be they are planning on selling the slim as a entry model. I wouldn't be shocked if they found a way to sell the slim model for $199 and they end up selling scorpio for $499. And if they are selling the Xbox as a platform, then this setup would make sense.

New Xbox will be 4 time more powerful than Xbox One. This means Brand new console, not upgrade. So next gen begins 2017