Xbox 360 game going to PC doesn't take its exclusiveness away

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

I agree with that, I was just stating the folly of the OP.

GoldenElementXL

I am sure the TC post is driven by the fact that there are so many threads calling 360 lineup bad because it has no exclusives, like it matters at all when you buy a 360 and have all those PC/360 games to play

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

I agree with that, I was just stating the folly of the OP.

GoldenElementXL

I am sure the TC post is driven by the fact that there are so many threads calling 360 lineup bad because it has no exclusives, like it matters at all when you buy a 360 and have all those PC/360 games to play

Indeed, just disagree in the technicalities, i would simply call those games console exclusives, which is both true and matters hugly imo for 360

I mean 360 does have a 9.5/10 RPG right now, Mass effect 2. That cant be downplayed even with a million threads calling 360 lineup bad

Fable 3 also seems more than AAA, and who cares if it is on PC too ?

I never called anything bad. I just don't understand the system wars rules now a days I guess. And Mass Effect 1&2 are the best games I have played this gen by far. Story is too underrated these days. GoldenElementXL

I was not talking about you, just the various threads doing it here

I play games on console only and own a 360,ps3 and a wii.If a 360 game is also on pc it makes no difference to me because i only play games on consoles so its still an exclusive to me.Most people that play games on pc do not play games on consoles so it in all honesty doesnt take to much buisness away from the 360.Anyways u still have to have a microsoft operating system to play these games anyways so i dont see what the big deal is,microsoft wins either way.Its not like these games are being played on a sony or nintendo operating system.Microsoft is first a software comopany and second,third or fourth a console maker.What i mean by that is that they mainly make thier money off of thier operating system and software and then thier game console(which does very well).I never understood this arguement because pc gamers only game on pc but still use microsoft products to play thier games.Microsoft wins either way wheather people are buying games on 360 or pc,so what does this all matter.Microsoft is in the pc software biz that supports pretty much all pc games,while it also is a console company.Seems to me that there doing pretty good in both area's.

Being able to play the same game on 2 or more platforms = multiplatform game. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that. killerfist

I agree for the purposes of System Wars but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone else who does :P Those who shout "you can't have console graphics kings without console exclusives" until they're blue in the face and have trouble breathing forget lemmings invented that term around the time of Gears of War's release.Floppy_Jim

What's your sig from?

As for topic related discussion. I'm not worried about exclusives anymore on my 360. I get PS3/360 games, usually the superior version, as well as 360/PC titles, so the 360 gets the overall better lineup. If you have a better lineup, what good are exclusives? Of course many cows would then say "but I can play 360/PC titles on my gaming PC" to which I could say "I can play PS3 titles on my PS3", seeing as we would be using two systems in comparison to the one.

Upon wings of mercurial wire and ash I descend, for yay subrosian has spoken:

A game which is found to be on both the 360 and PC shall not be exclusive. Those who attempt to claim its exclusivity have cast lies upon you, and shall receive appropriate social compensation. And may fear be in the hearts of the dissenters, for they are found to be incorrect.

So it is written, so it is law.

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Or for your modern audience:

subrosian said so, deal wit' it. Exclusive means "only on _____" if something is on two or more systems, you can't claim it's "only on" one of them. QED.

Upon wings of mercurial wire and ash I descend, for yay subrosian has spoken:

A game which is found to be on both the 360 and PC shall not be exclusive. Those who attempt to claim its exclusivity have cast lies upon you, and shall receive appropriate social compensation. And may fear be in the hearts of the dissenters, for they are found to be incorrect.

So it is written, so it is law.

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Or for your modern audience:

subrosian said so, deal wit' it. Exclusive means "only on _____" if something is on two or more systems, you can't claim it's "only on" one of them. QED.

subrosian

What's your sig from?

Twin-Blade

It's Killzone 3.

Same game that I can play on another platform=multiplat.

Simple as that.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Upon wings of mercurial wire and ash I descend, for yay subrosian has spoken:

A game which is found to be on both the 360 and PC shall not be exclusive. Those who attempt to claim its exclusivity have cast lies upon you, and shall receive appropriate social compensation. And may fear be in the hearts of the dissenters, for they are found to be incorrect.

So it is written, so it is law.

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Or for your modern audience:

subrosian said so, deal wit' it. Exclusive means "only on _____" if something is on two or more systems, you can't claim it's "only on" one of them. QED.

ocstew

You mean they only develop for one console, like EVERY OTHER console maker? OMFG shocking news!

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Upon wings of mercurial wire and ash I descend, for yay subrosian has spoken:

A game which is found to be on both the 360 and PC shall not be exclusive. Those who attempt to claim its exclusivity have cast lies upon you, and shall receive appropriate social compensation. And may fear be in the hearts of the dissenters, for they are found to be incorrect.

So it is written, so it is law.

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Or for your modern audience:

subrosian said so, deal wit' it. Exclusive means "only on _____" if something is on two or more systems, you can't claim it's "only on" one of them. QED.

ocstew

Which MGS first party is developing for both the PC and 360 right now besides Lionhead anyway?

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Upon wings of mercurial wire and ash I descend, for yay subrosian has spoken:

A game which is found to be on both the 360 and PC shall not be exclusive. Those who attempt to claim its exclusivity have cast lies upon you, and shall receive appropriate social compensation. And may fear be in the hearts of the dissenters, for they are found to be incorrect.

So it is written, so it is law.

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Or for your modern audience:

subrosian said so, deal wit' it. Exclusive means "only on _____" if something is on two or more systems, you can't claim it's "only on" one of them. QED.

warmaster670

You mean they only develop for one console, like EVERY OTHER console maker? OMFG shocking news!

I am the only one with this chocolate in the world... Oh look! My friend just got the exact same chocolate. Now there are 2 of us in the world with this chocolate. But I don't care, I'm still the only one with this chocolate...

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"] Obviously Sony has an advantage in that it's selfish and is only ambitious enough to develop for one console, so this argument is not fair at all.ocstew

You mean they only develop for one console, like EVERY OTHER console maker? OMFG shocking news!

Anyone actually understand what hes rambling on about?

sure it does

it just doesn't take away from the 360's library of games

anyways, only reason people even care is because apparently *every* PS3 owner has a killer PC (tho that said, when a killer PC game exists, almost all console fanboys getting their panties in a twist)

I totally agree with the TC. Just because a game is on more than one platform doesn't mean it's not exclusive...

I mean COD:MW2 and RE5 are exclusive to the PS3/360/PC :P

/sarcasm

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="warmaster670"]

You mean they only develop for one console, like EVERY OTHER console maker? OMFG shocking news!

warmaster670

Anyone actually understand what hes rambling on about?

Read. It'll help, instead of writing the most cynical remark you can muster. "Uh, I don't know if it's just you but PS3 games are rarely just PS3/PC, mostly PS3/360/PC or just PS3. So there you go, this is a lame system, calling exclusives the only time a system has games." In a typical system wars argument multiplats are discounted. Unfortunately for lemmings, having a title that is shared with PC means cows will ramble on for days at how they have more exclusives. Got it? ocstew

We're not going to play some vague Orwellian nonsense here and start redefining words because you don't like the implications of them though. Exclusive means exclusive, something CANNOT be an exclusive if it exists on multiple platforms, PERIOD. Does that hurt more 360 games than PS3 games? Sometimes, but guess what? That's the way it goes. Who cares? Don't try and redefine words. I have spoken, this isn't a point up for argument, it's literally written into the System Wars rules... it's in the damn dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exclusive

Live with it.

Uh, I don't know if it's just you but PS3 games are rarely just PS3/PC, mostly PS3/360/PC. So there you go, this is a lame system, calling exclusives the only time a system has games.ocstew

Exclusive means it excludes the other three systems.

They add to the library, but not to the exclusives.

I don't see why people are constantly arguing over something that is fundamentally very simple.

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

[QUOTE="ocstew"] Uh, I don't know if it's just you but PS3 games are rarely just PS3/PC, mostly PS3/360/PC. So there you go, this is a lame system, calling exclusives the only time a system has games.ocstew

Anyone actually understand what hes rambling on about?

Learn to write in english and maybe people will understand you, maybe you need to read your own post and try to make it make some sense.

If a game is released on more than one platform, then its not an exclusive.

Get over it.

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

DumbDubya

Game available on one system = exclusive

Game available on multiple systems = not exclusive

/thread

[QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

dommeus

PC exclusive games are not of Microsoft property whatsoever, so how is it when it's on 360/PC that it's considered a 'Microsoft exclusive'? I smell shenanigans.

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

Mystic-G

Someone needs to read the definition of exclusiveDiviniuz

Indeed, by the real definition any game that is on PC/360 is exclusive to PC/360 group of systems

Everyone knows that

The point is, do we bend the reality to the forum liking ?

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]Someone needs to read the definition of exclusivea_simple_gamer

Indeed, by the real definition any game that is on PC/360 is exclusive to PC/360 group of systems

Everyone knows that

The point is, do we bend the reality to the forum liking ?

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]Someone needs to read the definition of exclusivea_simple_gamer

Indeed, by the real definition any game that is on PC/360 is exclusive to PC/360 group of systems

Everyone knows that

The point is, do we bend the reality to the forum liking ?

All I'm saying is...

Crysis was NEVER considered a Microsoft exclusive, so how is it if it came out on 360 & PC that it's suddenly a Microsoft exclusive?

Shenanigans.

If you want to argue between 2 system's libraries, you can use any amount of games that is playable on the system as ammunition. Therefore, you can use multiplats as long as it isn't found on the other debating platform. Example: 360 vs PS3; one can use Mass Effect 2 as part of the 360's library.

If you are going to argue between 2 system's exclusive lineups, you cannot use multiplats for any reason, meaning you cannot use a game if it is able to be played on 2 or more systems. You could not use Mass Effect 2 as part of your argument because it is playable on PC, which is also....*GASP*....a system.

On these forums, the term exclusive is used to say it is playable on one system. Regardless of how "exclusive" is used outside these forums, this is the definition we use here. If we say "Mass Effect is a PC and 360 exclusive," then we would have to say "Dragon Age is a PC, 360, and PS3 exclusive," "Assasin's Creed is a PC, 360, and PS3 exclusive," and "Pokemon is a Gameboy, Gameboy Pocket, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, Gameboy SP, Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Nintendo DS, and Nintendo Wii exclusive." That is quite a mess.

If it is not clear yet, on this website, Exclusive means playable on ONE SINGLE SYSTEM. Anything above ONE SYSTEM is considered a multiplatform game.

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Just because Microsoft owns Windows does not mean that they see money from transactions over their OS. If that was the case, then they would receive money from the people who purchase Adobe Photoshop. However they do not. If I were to make an indie game and release it on Windows, I would see the money, not Microsoft. Unless Microsoft is a part of the development or publishing procedure (Microsoft Game Studios) they will not see any money.

In Fable III's case, since it is being published by Microsoft for both the 360 and PC (which makes it a multiplatform game since 2 systems are involved) they will see money from anyone that buys it on either platform.

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

Mystic-G

PC exclusive games are not of Microsoft property whatsoever, so how is it when it's on 360/PC that it's considered a 'Microsoft exclusive'? I smell shenanigans.

On the PC side, there are competitors to Wintel e.g. Mactel. Some of us live through the fragment PC era.

MacOS is part an older system wars. "Microsoft exclusive" was used in such scenarios.

With Google and Intel's backing, Android OS X64 PC could restart another PC system wars.

As for "Microsoft exclusive" usage,

refer to http://www.rpgfan.com/features/Mass_Effect_2_Interview/index.html

'People find that to be a surprising answer. We have exclusivity with Microsoft.' - Electronic Arts/Bioware

refer to http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=20937

Microsoft has POV of "Microsoft exclusive" when it comes to Xbox360/Wintel.

We've got Crackdown 2**, Fable 3**, Halo: Reach and Gears of War 3 all hitting Xbox 360 within the next 12 months - but Microsoft has got more hardcore exclusives to come after that, says the company's Aaron Greenberg

**also available onWintel.

Those types of threads just show how utterly pathetic 360 line-up is. Every other fraction have their own real exclusives, it's just lemmings who's situation just that bad on exclusives front that they try to rewrite SW rules.

THat said, even this argumentation is flawed, because when 360 game goes to PC lemmings loose exclusive, same with 360. At most Microsoft wouldn't, but lemmings are 360 fans, not Microsoft fans.

Plus it's pure hypocrisy, first 360 fans whine about "PCgaming dying" because we are "loosing developers", but using this logic, we aren't loosing any, right? Even Crytek doing 360 exclusive in reality isn't making a real exclusive, because since it's Microsoft's platform too we hermits can stake a claim to that game, even if it never apears on PC, right? Great thinking :D

From Microsoft's POV, a HD game title that is a Wintel PC/X360 is a Microsoft exclusive.ronvalencia

Also..from Sony's point of view PC/PlayStation game is also exclusive to, they were buying exclusivities of this sort two gens ago afterall

MS doesn't see PC as a competitor,SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Last I checked, this was System Wars, not Company Wars. Windows is an OPEN platform where Microsoft makes zero royalties from games. Sony even makes games for and on PC. (ie: The Agency) So which company owns that game through this logic?

PC exclusive games are not of Microsoft property whatsoever, so how is it when it's on 360/PC that it's considered a 'Microsoft exclusive'? I smell shenanigans.

ronvalencia

On the PC side, there are competitors to Wintel e.g. Mactel. Some of us live through the fragment PC era.

MacOS is part an older system wars. "Microsoft exclusive" was used in such scenarios.

With Google and Intel's backing, Android OS X64 PC could restart another PC system wars.

As for "Microsoft exclusive"usage,

refer to http://www.rpgfan.com/features/Mass_Effect_2_Interview/index.html

'People find that to be a surprising answer. We have exclusivity with Microsoft.' - Electronic Arts/Bioware

refer to http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=20937

Microsoft has POVof "Microsoft exclusive" when it comes to Xbox360/Wintel.

All I'm saying is...

Crysis was NEVER considered a Microsoft exclusive, so how is it if it came out on 360 & PC that it's suddenly a Microsoft exclusive?

Shenanigans.

Mystic-G

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

let's say that Microsoft and Pc are spouses, but then Ms realized that owning a system = lots of money, they embraced the console market, but somehow they won't abandon their true origins. that's why there are many pc/360 games out there and they know that the teens and the pc-is-a-hassle-not-comfy-i-prefer-sitting-on-the-couch-and-play-without-speinding-$200000-for-a-pc-every-year people will buy the games for the xbox 360.

let's say that Microsoft and Pc are spouses, but then Ms realized that owning a system = lots of money, they embraced the console market, but somehow they won't abandon their true origins. that's why there are many pc/360 games out there and they know that the teens and the pc-is-a-hassle-not-comfy-i-prefer-sitting-on-the-couch-and-play-without-speinding-$200000-for-a-pc-every-year people will buy the games for the xbox 360.

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

gamer-adam1

If you want to argue between 2 system's libraries, you can use any amount of games that is playable on the system as ammunition. Therefore, you can use multiplats as long as it isn't found on the other debating platform. Example: 360 vs PS3; one can use Mass Effect 2 as part of the 360's library.

If you are going to argue between 2 system's exclusive lineups, you cannot use multiplats for any reason, meaning you cannot use a game if it is able to be played on 2 or more systems. You could not use Mass Effect 2 as part of your argument because it is playable on PC, which is also....*GASP*....a system.

Valiant_Rebel