Xbox 360 game going to PC doesn't take its exclusiveness away

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

ronvalencia

how would you do that, illegal im guessing?

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

On the PC side, there are competitors to Wintel e.g. Mactel. Some of us live through the fragment PC era.

MacOS is part an older system wars. "Microsoft exclusive" was used in such scenarios.

With Google and Intel's backing, Android OS X64 PC could restart another PC system wars.

As for "Microsoft exclusive"usage,

refer to http://www.rpgfan.com/features/Mass_Effect_2_Interview/index.html

'People find that to be a surprising answer. We have exclusivity with Microsoft.' - Electronic Arts/Bioware

refer to http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=20937

Microsoft has POVof "Microsoft exclusive" when it comes to Xbox360/Wintel.

Mystic-G

All I'm saying is...

Crysis was NEVER considered a Microsoft exclusive, so how is it if it came out on 360 & PC that it's suddenly a Microsoft exclusive?

Shenanigans.

Mystic-G

I recall Crysis has "Games For Windows".

Was Crysis available for AmigaOS 4.1 PowerPC, Android OS 2.2 X86, BeOS X86, MacOS X PowerPC, MacOS X X86, OS2/Warp X86?

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Doesn't change my opinion at all... refer to this post instead to make things clearer for you. [QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

All I'm saying is...

Crysis was NEVER considered a Microsoft exclusive, so how is it if it came out on 360 & PC that it's suddenly a Microsoft exclusive?

Shenanigans.

ronvalencia

I recall Crysis has "Games For Windows".

Was Crysis available for AmigaOS 4.1 PowerPC, Android OS 2.2 X86, BeOS X86, MacOS X PowerPC, MacOS X X86, OS2/Warp X86?

cant you just install windows on the mac to run it? than it would lose its exlsuive because you can play it on a mac

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

gamer-adam1

how would you do that, illegal im guessing?

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

gamer-adam1

I recall Crysis has "Games For Windows".

Was Crysis available for AmigaOS 4.1 PowerPC, Android OS 2.2 X86, BeOS X86, MacOS X PowerPC, MacOS X X86, OS2/Warp X86?

cant you just install windows on the mac to run it? than it would lose its exlsuive because you can play it on a mac

Besides the GPU differences, Macbook Pro is similar to my DELL laptop. Both Apple and DELL contracts to Chinese ODM laptop manufactures.

To run Crysis, you would need Microsoft's software eco-system i.e. Microsoft is primarily a software company who sells OS (software eco-system).

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

gamer-adam1

A Mac is still a personal computer. :/

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

shinrabanshou

A Mac is still a personal computer. :/

mac is owned by Apple, than it would be a apple exclusive

A Mac is still a personal computer. :/

shinrabanshou

99% pc games can only run on Microsoft windows. Games like gears halo ect that microsoft let go on pc because in microsoft eyes PC is really just another microsoft platform. yea pc open ended everyone knows micro owns pc they have for years.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

gamer-adam1

A Mac is still a personal computer. :/

mac is owned by Apple, than it would be a apple exclusive

You missed Microsoft eco-system software requirements. Without the OS, the hardware is useless.

Apple would need to sign their Windows driver package for Windows X64. With Mactel, Apple follows Microsoft's WinHEC direction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_compatible#.22IBM_PC_compatible.22_becomes_.22Wintel.22

No mass-market personal computer hardware vendor dared to be incompatible with the latest version of Windows, and Microsoft's annual WinHEC conferences provided a setting in which Microsoft can lobby for and —in some cases— dictate the pace and direction of the hardware side of the PC industry. Microsoft and Intel had become so important to the ongoing development of the PC hardware that industry writers began using the portmanteau word Wintel to refer to the combined hardware-software platform

MS doesn't see PC as a competitor, when watching a video on Inside Xbox I have noticed they mention whether it will be on PC, or if it was on PC first, etc. They don't mention PS3 though :P And why would they? In the real world, maybe not a big deal. Doesn't count as exclusive on SW though.SaltyMeatballs

Yes they do.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he toldGamesIndustry.biz. "We basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version."

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

gamer-adam1

A Mac is still a personal computer. :/

mac is owned by Apple, than it would be a apple exclusive

This is not a sound argument.. because if you want to go down this road consoles have no exclusives either.. since the PS3 uses a nvidia GPU and the 360 uses an ATI GPU, and the 360 also uses an IBM processor.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]MS doesn't see PC as a competitor, when watching a video on Inside Xbox I have noticed they mention whether it will be on PC, or if it was on PC first, etc. They don't mention PS3 though :P And why would they? In the real world, maybe not a big deal. Doesn't count as exclusive on SW though.Espada12

Yes they do.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he toldGamesIndustry.biz. "We basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version."

TC has a point, the PC version is the superior version and that should disqualify the 360 version.NatalataN

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

Mystic-G

PC exclusive games are not of Microsoft property whatsoever, so how is it when it's on 360/PC that it's considered a 'Microsoft exclusive'? I smell shenanigans.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]MS doesn't see PC as a competitor, when watching a video on Inside Xbox I have noticed they mention whether it will be on PC, or if it was on PC first, etc. They don't mention PS3 though :P And why would they? In the real world, maybe not a big deal. Doesn't count as exclusive on SW though.ronvalencia

Yes they do.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he toldGamesIndustry.biz. "We basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version."

I disagree, what I think is, withholding exclusives isn't doing anything for their console sales in these territories but hurting their game sales so they aren't bothering to do it with ALL their games (because they are still doing it with gears 3 and reach).

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]MS doesn't see PC as a competitor, when watching a video on Inside Xbox I have noticed they mention whether it will be on PC, or if it was on PC first, etc. They don't mention PS3 though :P And why would they? In the real world, maybe not a big deal. Doesn't count as exclusive on SW though.Espada12

Yes they do.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he toldGamesIndustry.biz. "We basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version."

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yes they do.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he toldGamesIndustry.biz. "We basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version."

I disagree, what I think is, withholding exclusives isn't doing anything for their console sales in these territories but hurting their game sales so they aren't bothering to do it with ALL their games (because they are still doing it with gears 3 and reach).

Of course it does, if you don't need an Xbox 360 to play the game then it isn't a 360 exclusive is it. Come on its just common sense.

Of course it does, if you don't need an Xbox 360 to play the game then it isn't a 360 exclusive is it. Come on its just common sense.

Asim90

[QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"]

Another one...and a level 18 too? I would have thought you would know better by now. Okay, I'm going to explain this slowly so you'll understand (I doubt you'll listen though). Microsoft owning Windows =/= Microsoft owning the PC platform. Why? Because Windows isn't the only thing you need to get a computer to work. Developers could make a game for OSX or Linux. How is the PC platform Microsoft's now? Exactly, it's not. It is a separate platform that IS in direct competition with the XBox360. If a person has a choice of buying a game for the PC or Xbox360 and chooses PC, then the XBox360 just lost a potential sale. Microsoft does not see any of the money that went into the PC sale, therefore they try to get people to buy the XBox360 version. And what is it called when you are trying to get someone to pick your product over another product? Oh yeah, COMPETITION! I hope you are now somewhat informed.

topsemag55

What would his level have to do with the issue at hand?:?

Microsoft sees money from other sources, such as when it grants WHQL status to a graphics driver version.

You would think that most people over level 10 would have been here long enough to see know what we do and don't consider "exclusive." To reignite this boomshell reeks of trolling. And what that last part have anything to do with what MS sees in payment from PC game developers?

Actually it does, being on 2 platforms makes it multiplat.

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

gamer-adam1

People make too large a deal out of exclusives. Yesterday, when I bought my Xbox 360 slim to replace my launch console that just red ringed, I briefly considered getting a PS3 for something different. The exclusives get good ratings, and are pretty decent 8 hour bursts of entertainment, for the most part. And I really want to be able to play Little Big Planet. But then I thought about all the multiplats and how I would be stuck with an inferior version of a lot of them. And when it comes to online, I can't think of anybody I know who actually uses their PS3 instead of their 360. So, I went with the 360, and I'm genuinely glad about it.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]MS doesn't see PC as a competitor, when watching a video on Inside Xbox I have noticed they mention whether it will be on PC, or if it was on PC first, etc. They don't mention PS3 though :P And why would they? In the real world, maybe not a big deal. Doesn't count as exclusive on SW though.SaltyMeatballs

Yes they do.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC," he toldGamesIndustry.biz. "We basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version."

Germany was just an example, this is their stance in all PC dominated territories and even up to last year when they announced alan wake as a 360 exclusive they were going with that policy.

From all the years this debate has been waged, I don't think a very crucial viewpoint has been examined before. It's not so important whether or not PC/360 games are exclusive or not, so much as that they serve the same purpose as exclusives games, to a given consumer gamer market.

What do I mean by types of "consumer gamer market"? As much as there is a divide between platform fans, those who rally behind the banner of 360, PS3, Wii, or PC, as their chosen platform to game on, there is an even bigger divide between PC gamers and console gamers.

Oh you know what I mean. You've seen it so often on the boards, discussions of why people do and do not game on the PC platform. One side says why they prefer to play on consoles, the other side arguing why those points are irrelevant and PC is still the superior platform. But my point here is not which is the superior platform, but to illustrate that there's really 3 distinct markets of gamers.

All Systems Gamers – plays on multiple systems, both console and PC
Console Only Gamers – will play on one or more consoles, but only on consoles
PC Only Gamers – will game only on the PC, refusing to ever touch a console

While it may seem like I'm creating my own terms and criteria, you simply cannot argue against the fact that these categories DO exist. Why else do we see discussions on these boards as to why console is a preference and reasons not to game on PC, as well as why others don't play on consoles? Doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with the reasoning's behind this, just the fact that this divide is real.

While PC IS a gaming platform, some people just use theirs for every other function but that, like office productivity, online browsing, multimedia viewing, emailing, graphics & art creation, and so on. PC is unique in that not all PCs are used for gaming purposes whereas all consoles are designed as gaming devices even if having extra multimedia features. Thus the divide between PC gamers and console gamers.

Certain games not being released on PS3 or Wii is relevant to purchasing choices depending on which group you belong to. This is NOT to say that certain games are "console exclusive" or "microsoft exclusive", no I'm not trying to promote those erroneous terms. BUT, from the Console Only Gamer's perspective, if he isn't going to be playing on PC anyway, a game being shared between 360 and PC is irrelevant. He's looking at which games are on which consoles, so SC Conviction, Mass Effect 2, The Orange Box (prior to recent events in Valve's development policy), and GeoW1 would still be deciding factors to pick up a 360 over a PS3.

The games may not have been exclusive by the truest definition, yet they still served the same purpose as exclusives do. And that's the point, when you factor in that console only gamers is a consumer market for which the console releases is relevant, PC shared not withstanding.

He's looking at which games are on which consolesAdobeArtist

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

DumbDubya

Why is it always lemmings making PC/360 games 360 exclusive, but you never see hermits trying to claim they are PC exclusives.

ManicAce

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Yep, it does. These rules have been made. You can't just waltz in and change 'em.aaronmullan

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

DumbDubya

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"] He's looking at which games are on which consolesVandalvideo

Consoles may be getting closer to PCs, in functionality and complexity from their cartridge days, but even so, you aren't going to look me in the eye (figuratively speaking :P ) and say someone's going to pick up a 360 or PS3 to run their home office from, or start a web development business.

Consoles haven't gotten that close to PCs to the point where there isn't a clear labelling distinction between PC and console. Not yet at least. But for now the distinctions are still very relevant.

Consoles may be getting closer to PCs, in functionality and complexity from their cartridge days, but even so, you aren't going to look me in the eye (figuratively speaking :P ) and say someone's going to pick up a 360 or PS3 to run their home office from, or start a web development business.Consoles haven't gotten that close to PCs to the point where there isn't a clear labelling distinction between PC and console. Not yet at least. But for now the distinctions are still very relevant.AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

GrilledCharlie

Its not really about who can run it or not, its just that a game on multiple platforms is not exclusive anymore, its multiplat.

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

Of course it does, if you don't need an Xbox 360 to play the game then it isn't a 360 exclusive is it. Come on its just common sense.

ronvalencia

:| Are you joking or did you really miss the entire point of my post?

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]Consoles may be getting closer to PCs, in functionality and complexity from their cartridge days, but even so, you aren't going to look me in the eye (figuratively speaking :P ) and say someone's going to pick up a 360 or PS3 to run their home office from, or start a web development business.Consoles haven't gotten that close to PCs to the point where there isn't a clear labelling distinction between PC and console. Not yet at least. But for now the distinctions are still very relevant.Vandalvideo

I'm not talking about dictionaries or online forums. I'm talking about the real world. Please, please don't pretend to me that Wii, PS3, and 360 are called "PCs". They are addressed as consoles by everybody, or damn near 97% majority of the population. Walk into any GameStop or BestBuy and the staff and any shopper will call em as such.

PCs are a distinct category from consoles, thus why we have these labels in the first place. Its as universally recognized as anything can get, and your denial and quoting dictionary definitions, which in itself is only as relevant as its practiced by the masses, will not change that.

Ah console gamers or should I say lemms and their idiot antics. They never fail to amuse.

Dahaka-UK

And PS3 users aren't console gamers? :|

Microsoft has no say about who releases what on it's OS. It's a completely open platform, and they don't even earn royalties, unless they are developing the game through 1st party and/or publishing it in some way.

If it releases on PC, it's no longer exclusive.

I'm not talking about dictionaries or online forums. I'm talking about the real world. Please, please don't pretend to me that Wii, PS3, and 360 are called "PCs". They are addressed as consoles by everybody, or damn near 97% majority of the population. Walk into any GameStop or BestBuy and the staff and any shopper will call em as such. PCs are a distinct category from consoles, thus why we have these labels in the first place. Its as universally recognized as anything can get, and your denial and quoting dictionary definitions, which in itself is only as relevant as its practiced by the masses, will not change that.AdobeArtist

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

gamer-adam1

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

AdrianWerner

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

DumbDubya

Agreed...But you know how the nerds are on this forum.

The average computer cannot run most of these games that are on the 360/PC.

I am no way dissing the PC either, but people make it out to be something attrocious just because it's on the PC and 360.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

PCs have 0 exclusives, if you can play PC games on the mac, than its not exclusive, and you can install windows os on a mac, am I right?

xsubtownerx

Consoles would still lose.. but that's beyond the point. All gaming PCs can play PC games that's why all the manufactures can lumped into 1 lot, you can't play all the console games on any single console.

Agreed...But you know how the nerds are on this forum.

The average computer cannot run most of these games that are on the 360/PC.

I am no way dissing the PC either, but people make it out to be something attrocious just because it's on the PC and 360.

xsalvioutlawx

Attrocious? No. Multiplat? Yes.

It's not just the 360/PC multiplats people look down on, as posters even look down on 360/PS3 multiplats, due to them not being exclusive.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]That argument might have made sense 5 years ago, but not anymore. Nowadays Macs are just another brand of PCs, not any different from Dells or HPs

Espada12

Consoles would still lose.. but that's beyond the point. All gaming PCs can play PC games that's why all the manufactures can lumped into 1 lot, you can't play all the console games on any single console.

[QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

xsalvioutlawx

Agreed...But you know how the nerds are on this forum.

The average computer cannot run most of these games that are on the 360/PC.

I am no way dissing the PC either, but people make it out to be something attrocious just because it's on the PC and 360.

I'll just repeat my earlier response,

Its not really about who can run it or not, its just that a game on multiple platforms is not exclusive anymore, its multiplat.

Why do people care so much anyway? Damn fanboys. Stop hating, buy a decent PC, a PS3 and a 360 and have some frekkin good times!