XBox 360. JRPG King?

you proved that rpgs suck on 360. so i guess i choose the ps3.sireclaborn

the only game i would seem intereted in on the 360 side would be lo. tov may come to the ps3. operation darkness got a 2.5 on ign. Spectral Force 3 got a 4.5 iu we all know that score ff11 is on the ps2 so i can play that. two worlds and me i can play on a pc. the rest are crap. what was the point of this. you proved that rpgs suck on 360. so i guess i choose the ps3. sireclaborn

the xbox360 may have the rpgs but they sure are sucky apart from tales of vesperia which will make its way to ps3.

they can keep the rpgs. and the only good other rpg is star ocean 4.

i see the last remnent going the way of infinite discovery

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Really? I see plenty of people rating DS games against Xbox 360 games. Listing the AAA games on the DS compared to that on Xbox 360 when they aren't even graded on the same scale because of the huge difference of platform. So do not even try to back up and change what you were saying. I wasn't directing it just at you, I was directing it at the majority of people stating it.

spinecaton

Well, I haven't talked of scores, at least.

And I'm not (and haven't) trying to chage anything I said.

In the other thread the other day you were saying you can't mix different standards, and now you are mixing different generation(handheld vs console) which are rated on different standards.

You can't mix standards when using scores (and the AAA etc status is a matter of score-only). Comparing two games AAA status aside it is more than possible.

That's whay I said that Castle Crashers is better than DMC 4, and that Super Mario RPG and Chrono Trigger are better than any RPG this gen.

The AAA-status is something official, protocolary. "On paper", in other words. That's why you can't mix standards.

But in a direct, protocols aside comparission, you can.

You can't mix standards when using scores (and the AAA etc status is a matter of score-only). Comparing two games AAA status aside it is more than possible. That's whay I said that Castle Crashers is better than DMC 4, and that Super Mario RPG and Chrono Trigger are better than any RPG this gen.The AAA-status is something official, protocolary. "On paper", in other words. That's why you can't mix standards. But in a direct, non protocolary comparission, you can.IronBass

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]you proved that rpgs suck on 360. so i guess i choose the ps3.Jandurin

yes i have a pc and a ps3 so i can play oblivion and es is coming to the ps3 one day i not allowed to play 3rd party games??. if your going to list rpgs post some that scored over 7. a game that scored 2.5 is not even woth mentioning.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

So the mods floated it and renamed "official", but it is not because you say otherwise?

Jandurin

Because, as in 99% of online forums, the mods make the rules.

protocolaryIronBass

Because, as in 99% of online forums, the mods make the rules.

IronBass

But why are you making that assumption? You know what they say when you assume something, right? The title of the forum is Systems War. If you want to talk consoles, make it specific in the OP. When the OP claims that one system is the JRPG king, you have to compare all the systems. That's why the DS is the JRPG King over the 360.

It's when people start to realize that their favorite system is losing that they must go ahead and make these little justifications like "console JRPG King" to justify them owning it. Yeah, if it was so great, then why do you have to hide by bringing these little parameters to strengthen your argument?

Bottom line: DS JRPG lineup > 360 JRPG lineup

Zhengi

The TC NEVER specified console, but the TC was refering to lemmings who DO mean "RPG king" over consoles specifically, so quite frankly it's a bit disingenuous of you to cite the OP as not specifying that. I'm not "bringing in" parameters, they're already there. I'm merely pointing them out for you because you are ignoring them.

I don't know how to be any plainer than this: the TC asked why lemmings think the 360 is RPG king, in obvious reference to OTHER threads. In my experience, any threads that claim such are talking about current gen consoles, not previous gens or handhelds. So for you to come in and start spouting off about the DS and "parameters" is deliberately ignoring the series of threads that led the TC to create the thread in the first place. It is you that are "bringing in parameters."

a game that scored 2.5 is not even woth mentioning.

sireclaborn

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]the only game i would seem intereted in on the 360 side would be lo. tov may come to the ps3. operation darkness got a 2.5 on ign. Spectral Force 3 got a 4.5 iu we all know that score ff11 is on the ps2 so i can play that. two worlds and me i can play on a pc. the rest are crap. what was the point of this. you proved that rpgs suck on 360. so i guess i choose the ps3. Vandalvideo

i hate to break it to you but a game scoring 2.5 is not a opnion. the 360 does have more rpgs fact. but does it really matter if the games are scoring 2.5 or 4.5.

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

a game that scored 2.5 is not even woth mentioning.

Jandurin

so mgs4 got a 10 because no other game existed.

i hate to break it to you put a game scoring 2.5 is not a opnion

sireclaborn

so mgs4 got a 10 because no other game existed.

sireclaborn

the only game i would seem intereted in on the 360 side would be lo. tov may come to the ps3. operation darkness got a 2.5 on ign. Spectral Force 3 got a 4.5 iu we all know that score ff11 is on the ps2 so i can play that. two worlds and me i can play on a pc. the rest are crap. what was the point of this. you proved that rpgs suck on 360. so i guess i choose the ps3.

sireclaborn

Obviously not.

i hate to break it to you put a game scoring 2.5 is not a opnion. the 360 does have more rpgs fact. but does it really matter if the games are scoring 2.5 or 4.5. sireclaborn

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

i hate to break it to you put a game scoring 2.5 is not a opnion

Jandurin

what?? it on ign. look at my previous posts

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

i hate to break it to you put a game scoring 2.5 is not a opnion

sireclaborn

what?? it on ign. look at my previous posts

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]i hate to break it to you put a game scoring 2.5 is not a opnion. the 360 does have more rpgs fact. but does it really matter if the games are scoring 2.5 or 4.5. Vandalvideo

thats true there have been times when i don't listen to reviews but 2.5 is bad no matter how you look at it. now if you want to pay 60 dollars on a game that scored 2.5 do it. but thats way to low of a score for me.

thats true there have been times when i don't listen to reviews but 2.5 is bad no matter how you look at it. now if you want to pay 60 dollars on a game that scored 2.5 do it. but thats way to low of a score for me.sireclaborn

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

But why are you making that assumption? You know what they say when you assume something, right? The title of the forum is Systems War. If you want to talk consoles, make it specific in the OP. When the OP claims that one system is the JRPG king, you have to compare all the systems. That's why the DS is the JRPG King over the 360.

It's when people start to realize that their favorite system is losing that they must go ahead and make these little justifications like "console JRPG King" to justify them owning it. Yeah, if it was so great, then why do you have to hide by bringing these little parameters to strengthen your argument?

Bottom line: DS JRPG lineup > 360 JRPG lineup

dsmccracken

The TC NEVER specified console, but the TC was refering to lemmings who DO mean "RPG king" over consoles specifically, so quite frankly it's a bit disingenuous of you to cite the OP as not specifying that. I'm not "bringing in" parameters, they're already there. I'm merely pointing them out for you because you are ignoring them.

I don't know how to be any plainer than this: the TC asked why lemmings think the 360 is RPG king, in obvious reference to OTHER threads. In my experience, any threads that claim such are talking about current gen consoles, not previous gens or handhelds. So for you to come in and start spouting off about the DS and "parameters" is deliberately ignoring the series of threads that led the TC to create the thread in the first place. It is you that are "bringing in parameters."

So how can you talk about the JRPG king without including all the systems? And what am I supposed to do? Go back and read every "360 is RPG King" thread? In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. The RPG King is the DS. I'm not going to be on here 24/7 to see every "360 is RPG King" thread just to say the same thing.

This is Systems Wars. If the 360 can't even defend itself against the DS, that says a lot more about it than anything else. Keep trying to argue the "console" JRPG king. That's like being the President of the local PTA meeting instead of the President of the US.

In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. The RPG King is the DS.Zhengi

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. The RPG King is the DS.Jandurin

And I've yet to hear a good argument to debunk it. There's the typical WRPGs on the 360 arguments, but overall, the DS has the better RPG line up.

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

the only game i would seem intereted in on the 360 side would be lo. tov may come to the ps3. operation darkness got a 2.5 on ign. Spectral Force 3 got a 4.5 iu we all know that score ff11 is on the ps2 so i can play that. two worlds and me i can play on a pc. the rest are crap. what was the point of this. you proved that rpgs suck on 360. so i guess i choose the ps3.

angelkimne

Obviously not.

i don't hate them because there on the 360. that ignorant. im not going to say the 360 has a better rpg line up because it doesn't. it has more yes but better no... if the ps3 had more shooters than the 360 and all of them scored like haze why would anyone call the the ps3 better because it has more when there flopping.. and that what lems are doing right now they have more rpgs so they figure the 360 is king of rpgs but look at the scores. 2.5 4.5 the highest i believe is 8.5. thats not king.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. The RPG King is the DS.Zhengi

And I've yet to hear a good argument to debunk it. There's the typical WRPGs on the 360 arguments, but overall, the DS has the better RPG line up.

sireclaborn

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]Jandurin

maybe

maybe

sireclaborn

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]Jandurin

Jandurin has enough posts allready>.>

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

maybe

Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="sireclaborn"]killerfist

Jandurin has enough posts allready>.>

its possible

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

But why are you making that assumption? You know what they say when you assume something, right? The title of the forum is Systems War. If you want to talk consoles, make it specific in the OP. When the OP claims that one system is the JRPG king, you have to compare all the systems. That's why the DS is the JRPG King over the 360.

It's when people start to realize that their favorite system is losing that they must go ahead and make these little justifications like "console JRPG King" to justify them owning it. Yeah, if it was so great, then why do you have to hide by bringing these little parameters to strengthen your argument?

Bottom line: DS JRPG lineup > 360 JRPG lineup

Zhengi

The TC NEVER specified console, but the TC was refering to lemmings who DO mean "RPG king" over consoles specifically, so quite frankly it's a bit disingenuous of you to cite the OP as not specifying that. I'm not "bringing in" parameters, they're already there. I'm merely pointing them out for you because you are ignoring them.

I don't know how to be any plainer than this: the TC asked why lemmings think the 360 is RPG king, in obvious reference to OTHER threads. In my experience, any threads that claim such are talking about current gen consoles, not previous gens or handhelds. So for you to come in and start spouting off about the DS and "parameters" is deliberately ignoring the series of threads that led the TC to create the thread in the first place. It is you that are "bringing in parameters."

So how can you talk about the JRPG king without including all the systems? You are now making it sound like it's compulsory to include handhelds in every discussion, contradicting yourself from earlier in the thread where you said it was ok if stated in the OP. Weird. I say you now have to talk about Japanese gameshows when discussing platformers. And what am I supposed to do? Go back and read every "360 is RPG King" thread? In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. Yes,I know you did. This is part of the problem. There are 2 kinds of "360 is RPG king" threads. Ones where the TC specifies "current gen console" and one's where the TC doesn't but later clarifies. The same thing happens in both: cries of "PS2! SNES! DS!" Do you really think that the DS' reputation has been tarnished, and are defending it? These threads are almost always created for 360/PS3 comparison purposes, not to slander the DS or the memory of past gens. It is BESIDE the point to ignore that and divert from the intention of the TC. Something can be true, and yet still be a waste of time. Stop wasting our time. The RPG King is the DS. I'm not going to be on here 24/7 to see every "360 is RPG King" thread just to say the same thing.

This is Systems Wars. If the 360 can't even defend itself against the DS, that says a lot more about it than anything else. Actually, what it REALLY speaks volumes about is the PS3 and Wii. Which is, again, the point most TCs are making when they create "360 is RPG king" threads. Would it make you feel better if every thread now stipulated "except the DS, which is in an otherworldly JPRG dimension by itself?" Would you let us all carry on with the discussion then? Consider it so stipulated, now and for the rest of time. Amen. Keep trying to argue the "console" JRPG king. That's like being the President of the local PTA meeting instead of the President of the US. Failed analogy. In the realm of current gen consoles, there is no US, the PTA is the best there is, and the 360 is now calling the meeting to order... parents, teachers, please be seated.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. The RPG King is the DS.Zhengi

And I've yet to hear a good argument to debunk it. There's the typical WRPGs on the 360 arguments, but overall, the DS has the better RPG line up.

The point isn't whether it does or doesn't. It's that most of the combatants in those threads don't care, and you are therefore wasting their time. When people are arguing movies, it's pointless to bud in and point out that Italian cinema rules when the original debators don't like foreign movies and can't speak Italian. You may be right... for you and people like you. But you are wasting their time.

I was paying attention... and I'm still waiting. Gameplay is most important, but doesn't make things equal or we'd be talking about SNES and PS1 still. Or better yet, counting XBL download games as full games on exclusive lists (Braid anyone?).

dsmccracken

It pretty much does, especially in a genre like JRPGs where the powa of the 360 has failed to move the genre forward in any significant way

SNES games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 still own every RPG on the 360, despite the graphics

1- THe DS is way too overrated as an RPG king. I will take any COnsole RPG over a handheld RPG. The games aren't even on the same scope, scale, depth, generation etc as a console RPG. TWEWY would not get a 9.0 on consoles in its current form. It would have be revamped to be suitable and acceptable on consoles.

jg4xchamp

TWEWY wouldn't work on a console as it requires touch control and two screens, but a great RPG on the DS would be a great RPG on the 360 if they spruced up the graphics and audio. Final Fantasy 4 may not look as great as any 360 JRPG but it still plays better than all of them, and that's why I buy games. To play them

Yesh. I was trying to make that point, but no one likes accepting that they're just wrong.Jandurin

looks like it

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

the only game i would seem intereted in on the 360 side would be lo. tov may come to the ps3. operation darkness got a 2.5 on ign. Spectral Force 3 got a 4.5 iu we all know that score ff11 is on the ps2 so i can play that. two worlds and me i can play on a pc. the rest are crap. what was the point of this. you proved that rpgs suck on 360. so i guess i choose the ps3.

sireclaborn

Obviously not.

i don't hate them because there on the 360. that ignorant. im not going to say the 360 has a better rpg line up because it doesn't. it has more yes but better no... if the ps3 had more shooters than the 360 and all of them scored like haze why would anyone call the the ps3 better because it has more when there flopping.. and that what lems are doing right now they have more rpgs so they figure the 360 is king of rpgs but look at the scores. 2.5 4.5 the highest i believe is 8.5. thats not king.

Don't be deliberately obtuse... king is just a word. The point is just that the 360 is better than the PS3. That's it. Finite. I mean, there's no literally crown, you know that, right? It doesn't have to wear a crown, it just has to be better, and it is... 8.5 might not be enough to be "king" (whatever that means), but it is certainly enough to beat the PS3.

True I love my DS and the games it offers, but that "reminiscence" is on more than one level (as I mentioned before). This isn't really a fair comparison between systems.

-RPGamer-

In terms of quantity and Quality it is the new JRPG king, despite the delusions of lemmings and their one good exclusive RPG

There's a reason that Final Fantasy 6 is regarded as the best in the series and Chrono Trigger is remembered as one of the best RPGs ever made and it's not the graphics, Lemmings comparing an AA tales game with them because of graphics is laughable

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

i hate to break it to you put a game scoring 2.5 is not a opnion

Jandurin

Yes actually it is a fact. The score that the game got is 2.5, you cant argue that it didn't

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

I was paying attention... and I'm still waiting. Gameplay is most important, but doesn't make things equal or we'd be talking about SNES and PS1 still. Or better yet, counting XBL download games as full games on exclusive lists (Braid anyone?).

MarloStanfield

It pretty much does, especially in a genre like JRPGs where the powa of the 360 has failed to move the genre forward in any significant way

SNES games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 still own every RPG on the 360, despite the graphics

Oh, right, teh innovationz.

Expecting a bit much, aren't we? Revolutions are few and far between, pretty hard to come by. I didn't realize that that was now a compulsory criteria to be considered the best in a given genre each gen. Huh.

Think of it in football terms... true innovation doesn't happen very often (think the forward pass, 46 defense, the spread, whatever), that doesn't mean that someone isn't winning the Superbowl every year.

Hahaha this rpg king will rule until all Ps3 rpgs come out sooner or later, a japanese console with tradition in that genre will overtake. Im too lazy to list the rpg line up for the Ps3 :p

The 360 sure is easier to develop for and thereby it gets games a lot faster than the Ps3 but in the long run nothing will stop...The Return of the King...

Lol @ TOV that game is most certainly coming to Ps3 like ES and Namco Bndai has yet to announce a Tales game for the machine.

TGS is around the corner, tgs could be a "regicide :P"

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

True I love my DS and the games it offers, but that "reminiscence" is on more than one level (as I mentioned before). This isn't really a fair comparison between systems.

MarloStanfield

In terms of quantity and Quality it is the new JRPG king, despite the delusions of lemmings and their one good exclusive RPG

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

i hate to break it to you put a game scoring 2.5 is not a opnion

Jandurin

Yes actually it is a fact. The score that the game got is 2.5, you cant argue that it didn't

Where is the argument here? These "delusional" lemmings are ALWAYS talking specifically between 360 and PS3. They're not even TALKING about the DS. You're having an invented argument with NO ONE. That's delusional.

Hahaha this rpg king will rule until all Ps3 rpgs come out sooner or later, a japanese console with tradition in that genre will overtake. Im too lazy to list the rpg line up for the Ps3 :p

"Just wait"?

The 360 sure is easier to develop for and thereby it gets games a lot faster than the Ps3 but in the long run nothing will stop...The Return of the King...

Adding some of those games would help.

Lol @ TOV that game is most certainly coming to Ps3 like ES

Link?

AgentA-Mi6

You truly did a valid argument.

Hahaha this rpg king will rule until all Ps3 rpgs come out sooner or later, a japanese console with tradition in that genre will overtake. Im too lazy to list the rpg line up for the Ps3 :p

The 360 sure is easier to develop for and thereby it gets games a lot faster than the Ps3 but in the long run nothing will stop...The Return of the King...

Lol @ TOV that game is most certainly coming to Ps3 like ES and Namco Bndai has yet to announce a Tales game for the machine.

TGS is around the corner, tgs could be a "regicide :P"

AgentA-Mi6

You have been misinformed: there is no prize for being the billionth cow to say "just wait."

Let's see... if you are even correct, when would the crown pass? With, like 1 year left in the gen? 2? AWESOME!!! So you'd have the best of it for about a quarter of the gen, while the 360 would be pimp-slapping you for three quarters. Math was never my strong suit, but that doesn't sound like what cows thought they were getting circa 2005.

Oh, right, teh innovationz.

dsmccracken

That argument doesn't really work on SNES games, nice try though!!!!!

Expecting a bit much, aren't we? Revolutions are few and far between, pretty hard to come by. I didn't realize that that was now a compulsory criteria to be considered the best in a given genre each gen. Huh.

dsmccracken

I never said it was. I just said that 360 JRPGs are laughable compare d to DS RPGs and SNES RPGs despite the graphics. Baldurs Gate 2 is much better than Mass Effect as well, hard as you (and other little lemmings) may find that to believe

Think of it in football terms... true innovation doesn't happen very often (think the forward pass, 46 defense, the spread, whatever), that doesn't mean that someone isn't winning the Superbowl every year.

dsmccracken

Those aren't football terms, those are American Football terms. football is a game you play with your feet, not rugby with body armour

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

But why are you making that assumption? You know what they say when you assume something, right? The title of the forum is Systems War. If you want to talk consoles, make it specific in the OP. When the OP claims that one system is the JRPG king, you have to compare all the systems. That's why the DS is the JRPG King over the 360.

It's when people start to realize that their favorite system is losing that they must go ahead and make these little justifications like "console JRPG King" to justify them owning it. Yeah, if it was so great, then why do you have to hide by bringing these little parameters to strengthen your argument?

Bottom line: DS JRPG lineup > 360 JRPG lineup

dsmccracken

The TC NEVER specified console, but the TC was refering to lemmings who DO mean "RPG king" over consoles specifically, so quite frankly it's a bit disingenuous of you to cite the OP as not specifying that. I'm not "bringing in" parameters, they're already there. I'm merely pointing them out for you because you are ignoring them.

I don't know how to be any plainer than this: the TC asked why lemmings think the 360 is RPG king, in obvious reference to OTHER threads. In my experience, any threads that claim such are talking about current gen consoles, not previous gens or handhelds. So for you to come in and start spouting off about the DS and "parameters" is deliberately ignoring the series of threads that led the TC to create the thread in the first place. It is you that are "bringing in parameters."

So how can you talk about the JRPG king without including all the systems? (1) You are now making it sound like it's compulsory to include handhelds in every discussion, contradicting yourself from earlier in the thread where you said it was ok if stated in the OP. Weird. I say you now have to talk about Japanese gameshows when discussing platformers. And what am I supposed to do? Go back and read every "360 is RPG King" thread? In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. (2) Yes,I know you did. This is part of the problem. There are 2 kinds of "360 is RPG king" threads. Ones where the TC specifies "current gen console" and one's where the TC doesn't but later clarifies. The same thing happens in both: cries of "PS2! SNES! DS!" Do you really think that the DS' reputation has been tarnished, and are defending it? These threads are almost always created for 360/PS3 comparison purposes, not to slander the DS or the memory of past gens. It is BESIDE the point to ignore that and divert from the intention of the TC. Something can be true, and yet still be a waste of time. Stop wasting our time. The RPG King is the DS. I'm not going to be on here 24/7 to see every "360 is RPG King" thread just to say the same thing.

This is Systems Wars. If the 360 can't even defend itself against the DS, that says a lot more about it than anything else. (3) Actually, what it REALLY speaks volumes about is the PS3 and Wii. Which is, again, the point most TCs are making when they create "360 is RPG king" threads. Would it make you feel better if every thread now stipulated "except the DS, which is in an otherworldly JPRG dimension by itself?" Would you let us all carry on with the discussion then? Consider it so stipulated, now and for the rest of time. Amen. Keep trying to argue the "console" JRPG king. That's like being the President of the local PTA meeting instead of the President of the US. Failed analogy. In the realm of current gen consoles, there is no US, the PTA is the best there is, and the 360 is now calling the meeting to order... parents, teachers, please be seated.

1. And you're making it sound like the DS shouldn't be included at all. Sorry, but what part of Systems War don't you understand? Where in that does it say "Consoles Only"?

2. No, and do you think the 360's reputation will be tarnished? Again, unless specified, why can't the DS be included? Just because you say so? Just because of all the supposed threads that were made? So if all you can do to argue against the fact that the DS is JRPG King with is that you don't want to include it, then fine. Just say it. We both know that the DS is the JRPG King and you just don't want to admit it and instead create all these arguments just to exclude it.

3. Yeah, the PS3 and Wii can't match up to the DS either. Neither do the PC or the PSP. What's your point? That's why the DS is the JRPG King. Stop making excuses for the 360.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. The RPG King is the DS.dsmccracken

And I've yet to hear a good argument to debunk it. There's the typical WRPGs on the 360 arguments, but overall, the DS has the better RPG line up.

The point isn't whether it does or doesn't. It's that most of the combatants in those threads don't care, and you are therefore wasting their time. When people are arguing movies, it's pointless to bud in and point out that Italian cinema rules when the original debators don't like foreign movies and can't speak Italian. You may be right... for you and people like you. But you are wasting their time.

The ironic part is that the whole concept of SW is a waste of time. :lol:

Yeah, you're wasting their time during their wasting of time. Hilarious.

And in this case, the 360 is the Italian Cinema trying to bud into the DS's movie dominance. Last time I saw, more people have a DS and play more JRPGs on the DS than the 360.

1. And you're making it sound like the DS shouldn't be included at all. Sorry, but what part of Systems War don't you understand? Where in that does it say "Consoles Only"? So if we're in an HDTV forum, and a prospective buyer has got his choices whittled down to a Sony and a Samsung and creates a thread for input on comparisons, you think it would be ok for an avalanche of "What about Toshiba?" or "What about LG you idiot!!!" posts to throw everything akimbo? This forum is called SW, but that is just to direct the traffic for a certain type of discussion. It's not a commandment to talk about all systems simultaneously all the time. You DO know that, right?

2. No, and do you think the 360's reputation will be tarnished? Again, unless specified, why can't the DS be included? I never said I had a problem with that. If it's not specified or later clarified... go nuts. Just because you say so? Just because of all the supposed threads that were made? Or threads like the one that we're in that is responding to those threads. So if all you can do to argue against the fact that the DS is JRPG King with is that you don't want to include it, then fine. Just say it. We both know that the DS is the JRPG King and you just don't want to admit it and instead create all these arguments just to exclude it. That's funny, I thought I actually stipulated that it WAS. Was that a dream?

3. Yeah, the PS3 and Wii can't match up to the DS either. Neither do the PC or the PSP. What's your point? That's why the DS is the JRPG King. Stop making excuses for the 360. I was with you until the part about the PC. The PC is RPG king, but to avoid that you've specified JRPG even though the thread at no point said that. What happened to "unless specified?"

Zhengi

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]In all the ones I saw, I said the same exact thing. The RPG King is the DS.Zhengi

And I've yet to hear a good argument to debunk it. There's the typical WRPGs on the 360 arguments, but overall, the DS has the better RPG line up.