Xbox 360 only has 2 AAA Exclusives since launch.

...My theory that reading comprehension skills in this country is low gains further proof

The PC and 360 versions of GRAW do not have;

1) The same developers

2) The same viewpoint

3) The same gameplay mechanics

4) The same levels

5) The same plot

6) The same characters

You cannot find ANY of the things mentioned above in both variants. Now, onto Sigma.

Sigma differentiates itself from its Black counterpart with the following;

1) A few extra missions with Rachel

2) Suped-up graphics

The VAST MAJORITY of Sigma's content can be found on Black.

That's it.

Now, are we clear on why the 'if you count GRAW, we can count Sigma!!!1' rebutal can NOT work? And even if you want to disagree with me and claim that all versions of GRAW are identical, take a look at the reviews pal. Gamespot themselves repeatedly state otherwise.

Verge_6

So should I get the 360 version as opposed to the PC version? I've still yet to play this game....

Oh I'm no cow I hate every console equally.

Poop_Slash

This is my kind of post.

4) The same levels

5) The same plot

6) The same characters

You cannot find ANY of the things mentioned above in both variants.

Verge_6

Really? Let's see Gamespot's reviews...

360

"You take the role of Scott Mitchell, a captain in the elite Ghosts--the light-infantry unit whose members are renowned for their skill and heroism in the face of long odds. You find yourself in Mexico City as part of the security entourage tasked with guarding a summit between the leaders of Mexico, Canada, and the US. Disaster strikes when Mexican rebels attack the summit, killing the Canadian prime minister and causing both the Mexican and US presidents to go missing. Over the course of the campaign, you'll explore the massive city--fighting rebel infantry, armored vehicles, and helicopters from within the dense, high-rise areas in the center to the dilapidated shanty towns on the outskirts. You'll do this solo and with the help of three teammates--who you can issue simple commands to--and supporting vehicles. Major landmarks, such as Chapultepec and the spire at Angel Plaza, are represented fairly accurately in the game's depiction of Mexico City."

PC

"You take the role of Scott Mitchell, a captain in the elite Ghost Recon squad in the US Army. You find yourself in Mexico City as part of the security entourage tasked with guarding a summit between the leaders of Mexico, Canada, and the US. Disaster strikes when Mexican rebels attack the summit, killing the Canadian prime minister and causing both the Mexican and US presidents to go missing. Over the course of the campaign, you'll explore the massive city--fighting rebel infantry, armored vehicles, and helicopters from within the dense, urban areas in the center to the dilapidated shanty towns on the outskirts. You'll do this solo and with the help of three teammates--who you can issue commands to--and supporting vehicles. Major landmarks, such as Chapultepec and the spire at Angel Plaza, are represented fairly accurately in the game's depiction of Mexico City. The story arc in the PC version of the game is the same as all the others, but the way the levels are laid out and structured is noticeably different than any of the other versions of GRAW. The game's campaign should last most players 12 or so hours, counting restarts from death--maybe more depending on your familiarity with hardcore tactical shooters."

Sure sounds like the same plot and same characters to me. But what's this about a difference in the way the levels are layed out and structured being different?

Also in PC:

"The amount of area you can explore in each mission in this version of the game is noticeably larger than the corresponding mission in the Xbox 360 version--there's also more detail given to each building, leading to more nooks and doorways that you can take cover in. However, this added detail means more places for possible enemies to be lurking, which necessitates a much more methodical approach to movement in this version than in the Xbox 360 version."

So they expanded the playing area for PC. Note: GS even says there are corresponding missions in the two versions.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

...My theory that reading comprehension skills in this country is low gains further proof

The PC and 360 versions of GRAW do not have;

1) The same developers

2) The same viewpoint

3) The same gameplay mechanics

4) The same levels

5) The same plot

6) The same characters

You cannot find ANY of the things mentioned above in both variants. Now, onto Sigma.

Sigma differentiates itself from its Black counterpart with the following;

1) A few extra missions with Rachel

2) Suped-up graphics

The VAST MAJORITY of Sigma's content can be found on Black.

That's it.

Now, are we clear on why the 'if you count GRAW, we can count Sigma!!!1' rebutal can NOT work? And even if you want to disagree with me and claim that all versions of GRAW are identical, take a look at the reviews pal. Gamespot themselves repeatedly state otherwise.

FrozenLiquid

So should I get the 360 version as opposed to the PC version? I've still yet to play this game....

Please, in the name of Arthur, King of the Britons, get this game on the 360. If you get it on the PC, in all likelihood, you'll strongly regret it

[QUOTE="Poop_Slash"]

Pefect Dark Zero...

Don't know if that even counts as AAA..... Chirst.

Forza MotorSport 2

TheDarkDisciple

ps3 will be lucky to get any in it's first year.

Heavenly Sword is AAA for sure

EHM!!!Uncharted ;p and ect..

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]and graw. we've been over this. :|squallff8_fan

its funny how cows always concentrate on putting down 360 AAAs rather than counting their pathetic few.

And u act like 3 AAA exclusives for a system almost out 2 years is an amazing task, lol. The ps3 should already have 1 AAA Exclusive which is Ninja Gaiden Sigma but guess the rules here are in xbox 360's favor. It doesnt matter, because everyone knows Resistance Fall of Man shouldve been AAA, and if u say no, then tell me how does PDZ get an AAA and RFOM is a much better all around game, and even gamerankings proves that RFOM is a better game. Anywayz look for heavenly sword and uncharted drakes fortune to be the first 2 ps3 exclusive AAA titles.

1. resistance is not AAA at gamerankings
2. ninja gaiden sigma is not AAA at gamerankings

I really think we should exclude PC's when talkin about exclusive stuff. Gears of War will always be a 360 exclusive. PC is like another dimension. As far as im concerned, Halo 1 and 2 are xbox exclusives. Bioshock wouldnt be.....but yeah. If it was on Xbox and then Ps3, then it wouldnt be. ..oozybear

system wars...pc is a system...it counts

I agree with you. the 360 has been out longer than the ps3 and the wii, giving it more time to come up with AAA exclusives this cannot bedenied.

dylan9999

statistically speaking, the 360's exclusive launch library was better than the ps3's and wii's current exclusive library. the 360 launched with one AAA and three AAs. the PS3 currently has two AAs. The Wii currently has one AAA and two AAs.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]and graw. we've been over this. :|Timstuff

So you'll count that but not NGS? Nice.

read through this thread. i really don't feel like repeating myself or repeating what others have said many, many times already.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

The GRAW gamepage here on Gamespot says " Also on: PC|PS2|Xbox".

So are all the people saying GRAW is exclusive mean that Gamespot's judgement is law unless you disagree with it?

CaseyWegner

and if you'd actually read the reviews you'd see them say that the game is different. here's a quote.

"Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter for the Xbox continues the disturbing trend of releasing games on different platforms that have the same name but offer vastly different gaming experiences. If you were wondering if Advanced Warfighter for the Xbox might offer something similar to the superb tactical shooter of the same name on the Xbox 360, you can stop wondering now. It doesn't, and it's not even close."

they share the same game page because they have the same name and were released around the same time.

Actually, I have read the reviews (as I've done numerous quotes from them in other threads). What you have here is a statement that the Xbox version is really lousy. So are you saying that if one version is better than another, we should all just pretend the lesser version doesn't exist? Here's an example: Lumines got 9.0 for PSP, Lumines Plus (a port) only got a 7.0 for PS2 and Lumines Live! (GS: "Now, that same portable puzzle gameplay is available on the Xbox 360 as Lumines Live!, via the Xbox Live Arcade.") scored a mere 6.6. Should we ignore these other versions and say it's still exclusive to the PSP?

Also, from the PC review, it seems that the only things that hurt it's score was high system requirements and a load of bugs in the multiplayer aspect (something not usually designed into the game on purpose). Nowhere does it say it's a completely different experience.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]and graw. we've been over this. :|CaseyWegner

So you'll count that but not NGS? Nice.

read through this thread. i really don't feel like repeating myself or repeating what others have said many, many times already.

Nah, I'm too lazy. But it's still a double standard.

Actually, I have read the reviews (as I've done numerous quotes from them in other threads). What you have here is a statement that the Xbox version is really lousy. So are you saying that if one version is better than another, we should all just pretend the lesser version doesn't exist? Here's an example: Lumines got 9.0 for PSP, Lumines Plus (a port) only got a 7.0 for PS2 and Lumines Live! (GS: "Now, that same portable puzzle gameplay is available on the Xbox 360 as Lumines Live!, via the Xbox Live Arcade.") scored a mere 6.6. Should we ignore these other versions and say it's still exclusive to the PSP?

Also, from the PC review, it seems that the only things that hurt it's score was high system requirements and a load of bugs in the multiplayer aspect (something not usually designed into the game on purpose). Nowhere does it say it's a completely different experience.

asylumni

*sigh* you don't like that? ok. let's go to wiki then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy's_Ghost_Recon_Advanced_Warfighter

"Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter is slightly unusual in that there are three versions of the game for four different platforms, with minor varied storyline/missions. The PS2 and Xbox versions are essentially the same title, while the Xbox 360 and the Windows versions stand on their own."

further down they break apart the differences by platform.

sigh.........Yet another cow-hiding-behind-the-PC thread.

It's to see all the cows suddenly become hardcore PC gamers with monster gaming rigs this gen......just to spite the x360.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]and graw. we've been over this. :|Timstuff

So you'll count that but not NGS? Nice.

read through this thread. i really don't feel like repeating myself or repeating what others have said many, many times already.

Nah, I'm too lazy. But it's still a double standard.

not even remotely a double standard.

sigh.........Yet another cow-hiding-behind-the-PC thread.

It's to see all the cows suddenly become hardcore PC gamers with monster gaming rigs this gen......just to spite the x360.

LosDaddie

it's not that they're hiding behind the pc. it's kind of like "the enemy of the enemy is my friend." the pc taking away the 360's exclusives puts the ps3 one step closer to matching or surpassing the 360 in exclusives. it's a perfectly valid argument for them.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

sigh.........Yet another cow-hiding-behind-the-PC thread.

It's to see all the cows suddenly become hardcore PC gamers with monster gaming rigs this gen......just to spite the x360.

CaseyWegner

it's not that they're hiding behind the pc. it's kind of like "the enemy of the enemy is my friend." the pc taking away the 360's exclusives puts the ps3 one step closer to matching or surpassing the 360 in exclusives. it's a perfectly valid argument for them.

Yeah, exclusive they will never play, but will claim they will play just to spite the x360 here in SW.

Cows are definitely hiding behind the PC. JUst look at the Bioshock-Coming-to-PS3 thread. Why would cows care if Bioshock is coming to PS3 when they can play the superior version on the PC?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

sigh.........Yet another cow-hiding-behind-the-PC thread.

It's to see all the cows suddenly become hardcore PC gamers with monster gaming rigs this gen......just to spite the x360.

LosDaddie

it's not that they're hiding behind the pc. it's kind of like "the enemy of the enemy is my friend." the pc taking away the 360's exclusives puts the ps3 one step closer to matching or surpassing the 360 in exclusives. it's a perfectly valid argument for them.

Yeah, exclusive they will never play, but will claim they will play just to spite the x360 here in SW.

Cows are definitely hiding behind the PC. JUst look at the Bioshock-Coming-to-PS3 thread. Why would cows care if Bioshock is coming to PS3 when they can play the superior version on the PC?

because some have gaming pcs and some don't.

Actually, I have read the reviews (as I've done numerous quotes from them in other threads). What you have here is a statement that the Xbox version is really lousy. So are you saying that if one version is better than another, we should all just pretend the lesser version doesn't exist? Here's an example: Lumines got 9.0 for PSP, Lumines Plus (a port) only got a 7.0 for PS2 and Lumines Live! (GS: "Now, that same portable puzzle gameplay is available on the Xbox 360 as Lumines Live!, via the Xbox Live Arcade.") scored a mere 6.6. Should we ignore these other versions and say it's still exclusive to the PSP?

Also, from the PC review, it seems that the only things that hurt it's score was high system requirements and a load of bugs in the multiplayer aspect (something not usually designed into the game on purpose). Nowhere does it say it's a completely different experience.

asylumni

Well if Lumines for the PSP is a TPP (Third Preson Puzzle) and the other is a FPP (First Preson Puzzle), given to a new dev teaam, and has a cover system then yes it would be exclusive to the PSP, but I have it and I don't remember it having those

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

Actually, I have read the reviews (as I've done numerous quotes from them in other threads). What you have here is a statement that the Xbox version is really lousy. So are you saying that if one version is better than another, we should all just pretend the lesser version doesn't exist? Here's an example: Lumines got 9.0 for PSP, Lumines Plus (a port) only got a 7.0 for PS2 and Lumines Live! (GS: "Now, that same portable puzzle gameplay is available on the Xbox 360 as Lumines Live!, via the Xbox Live Arcade.") scored a mere 6.6. Should we ignore these other versions and say it's still exclusive to the PSP?

Also, from the PC review, it seems that the only things that hurt it's score was high system requirements and a load of bugs in the multiplayer aspect (something not usually designed into the game on purpose). Nowhere does it say it's a completely different experience.

CaseyWegner

*sigh* you don't like that? ok. let's go to wiki then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy's_Ghost_Recon_Advanced_Warfighter

"Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter is slightly unusual in that there are three versions of the game for four different platforms, with minor varied storyline/missions. The PS2 and Xbox versions are essentially the same title, while the Xbox 360 and the Windows versions stand on their own."

further down they break apart the differences by platform.

THANK you. This is the ...third time I've had this debate with Asylumni, and each and every time he ignores the points I made.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

sigh.........Yet another cow-hiding-behind-the-PC thread.

It's to see all the cows suddenly become hardcore PC gamers with monster gaming rigs this gen......just to spite the x360.

CaseyWegner

it's not that they're hiding behind the pc. it's kind of like "the enemy of the enemy is my friend." the pc taking away the 360's exclusives puts the ps3 one step closer to matching or surpassing the 360 in exclusives. it's a perfectly valid argument for them.

Yeah, exclusive they will never play, but will claim they will play just to spite the x360 here in SW.

Cows are definitely hiding behind the PC. JUst look at the Bioshock-Coming-to-PS3 thread. Why would cows care if Bioshock is coming to PS3 when they can play the superior version on the PC?

because some have gaming pcs and some don't.

No, no, no.

According to cows, they all have monster gaming rigs capable of running every game at much higher settings than the x360 could ever dream of matching.

You know very well that 99% of cows here claim they have gaming PCs.

No, no, no.

According to cows, they all have monster gaming rigs capable of running every game at much higher settings than the x360 could ever dream of matching.

You know very well that 99% of cows here claim they have gaming PCs.

LosDaddie

you're exaggerating.

another reason is that some lemmings still cling to the console exclusive excuse. if bioshock comes to the ps3, then lemmings won't even have that to fall back on.

I got sick of the Ninja Gaiden Sigma debate and made a thread. Can we just keep it in a new sticky or something? It's going to come up forever and ever and ever and...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25836172

Casey, would you be able to make a sticky thread with a poll regarding GRAW's exclusitivity Casey? I'm really getting tired of saying the same damned thing over and over.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="asylumni"]

Actually, I have read the reviews (as I've done numerous quotes from them in other threads). What you have here is a statement that the Xbox version is really lousy. So are you saying that if one version is better than another, we should all just pretend the lesser version doesn't exist? Here's an example: Lumines got 9.0 for PSP, Lumines Plus (a port) only got a 7.0 for PS2 and Lumines Live! (GS: "Now, that same portable puzzle gameplay is available on the Xbox 360 as Lumines Live!, via the Xbox Live Arcade.") scored a mere 6.6. Should we ignore these other versions and say it's still exclusive to the PSP?

Also, from the PC review, it seems that the only things that hurt it's score was high system requirements and a load of bugs in the multiplayer aspect (something not usually designed into the game on purpose). Nowhere does it say it's a completely different experience.

Verge_6

*sigh* you don't like that? ok. let's go to wiki then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy's_Ghost_Recon_Advanced_Warfighter

"Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter is slightly unusual in that there are three versions of the game for four different platforms, with minor varied storyline/missions. The PS2 and Xbox versions are essentially the same title, while the Xbox 360 and the Windows versions stand on their own."

further down they break apart the differences by platform.

THANK you. This is the ...third time I've had this debate with Asylumni, and each and every time he ignores the points I made.

No, I don't ignore the points you make. I just can't sit here constantly waiting for your response. The last page here http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25807515&page=8 is me responding to your points. I also keep my quotes to GS sources (that's where we are, right?) and try to avoid user editable sites.

I've never claimed there were not differences, simply that the differences were not enough to consider them completely different games. Gamespots own words from the Xbox review are "Looks and feels like a watered-down port". Are you saying ports are completely new games? Or should we all just pretend that lousy ports don't exist?

Also of note, it says "MINOR varied soryline/missions" (emphasis added) not "completely different storyline/missions" in the Wiki quote. Is this all that's required? Minor changes?

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

No, no, no.

According to cows, they all have monster gaming rigs capable of running every game at much higher settings than the x360 could ever dream of matching.

You know very well that 99% of cows here claim they have gaming PCs.

CaseyWegner

you're exaggerating.

another reason is that some lemmings still cling to the console exclusive excuse. if bioshock comes to the ps3, then lemmings won't even have that to fall back on.

Honestly, I wish I was exaggerating.

You're telling me that every single cow here in SW did not claim there was no reason to buy an x360 after E3 because they were all going to play GeOW on their PCs? :lol: Come on, casey. Can you even count the number of times you've read, from cows,that Halo3 shouldn't be x360-exclusive because it would eventually be on PC? I know I've lost count.

I'm a console gamer. So, onlyconsole exclusives matter to me.

You're right, Bioshock coming to PS3 would leave Lems nothing to fall back on. Same goes for MGS4 coming to the x360. And I would agree with all that.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="asylumni"]

Actually, I have read the reviews (as I've done numerous quotes from them in other threads). What you have here is a statement that the Xbox version is really lousy. So are you saying that if one version is better than another, we should all just pretend the lesser version doesn't exist? Here's an example: Lumines got 9.0 for PSP, Lumines Plus (a port) only got a 7.0 for PS2 and Lumines Live! (GS: "Now, that same portable puzzle gameplay is available on the Xbox 360 as Lumines Live!, via the Xbox Live Arcade.") scored a mere 6.6. Should we ignore these other versions and say it's still exclusive to the PSP?

Also, from the PC review, it seems that the only things that hurt it's score was high system requirements and a load of bugs in the multiplayer aspect (something not usually designed into the game on purpose). Nowhere does it say it's a completely different experience.

asylumni

*sigh* you don't like that? ok. let's go to wiki then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy's_Ghost_Recon_Advanced_Warfighter

"Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter is slightly unusual in that there are three versions of the game for four different platforms, with minor varied storyline/missions. The PS2 and Xbox versions are essentially the same title, while the Xbox 360 and the Windows versions stand on their own."

further down they break apart the differences by platform.

THANK you. This is the ...third time I've had this debate with Asylumni, and each and every time he ignores the points I made.

No, I don't ignore the points you make. I just can't sit here constantly waiting for your response. I also keep my quotes to GS sources (that's where we are, right?) and try to avoid user editable sites.

I've never claimed there were not differences, simply that the differences were not enough to consider them completely different games. Gamespots own words from the Xbox review are "Looks and feels like a watered-down port". Are you saying ports are completely new games? Or should we all just pretend that lousy ports don't exist?

Or, you could take a look at the different viewpoint, graphics engine, dev team, a different list of characters (save for the Ghosts), and different levels. Have you played both games? No? Alright then, you wouldn't know. If you're going to ignore Casey's wikipedia link, which is true in all respects, simply because it's not on Gamespot, then we are through here. Fanboys who use that tactic are too stubborn to be reasoned with.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

No, no, no.

According to cows, they all have monster gaming rigs capable of running every game at much higher settings than the x360 could ever dream of matching.

You know very well that 99% of cows here claim they have gaming PCs.

LosDaddie

you're exaggerating.

another reason is that some lemmings still cling to the console exclusive excuse. if bioshock comes to the ps3, then lemmings won't even have that to fall back on.

Honestly, I wish I was exaggerating.

You're telling me that every single cow here in SW did not claim there was no reason to buy an x360 after E3 because they were all going to play GeOW on their PCs? :lol: Come on, casey. Can you even count the number of times you've read, from cows,that Halo3 shouldn't be x360-exclusive because it would eventually be on PC? I know I've lost count.

I'm a console gamer. So, onlyconsole exclusives matter to me.

You're right, Bioshock coming to PS3 would leave Lems nothing to fall back on. Same goes for MGS4 coming to the x360. And I would agree with all that.

some are just more vocal than others.

the main war in system wars is the game lineup among pc vs. 360 vs. ps3 vs. wii. it's decided by exclusives. if one of those four knocks away an exclusive from another, it does benefit the other two because it means they need one less exclusive to match or surpass its closest competitor.

some are just more vocal than others.

the main war in system wars is the game lineup among pc vs. 360 vs. ps3 vs. wii. it's decided by exclusives. if one of those four knocks away an exclusive from another, it does benefit the other two because it means they need one less exclusive to match or surpass its closest competitor.

CaseyWegner

Judging by the threads alone, I'd say it's mainly x360 vs PS3. Hermits will always claim consoles are beneath them and Sheep are, well, in their own section.

In x360 vs PS3 debates, cows will quickly bring up the PC even though only the x360 vs PS3 is being debates. Thus, cows are hiding behind the PC and they all own monster gaming rigs.