XBOX 360 Unreal Tournament 3 to have less MAPS???

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

Nah its simple.

Epic got lazy because Blu Ray affords them more room.

So of course there going to be lazy about compression.

It has more to do with the space of BluRay then the lack of space on DVD 9.

In other wordsif there were no BR then Epic would just need to compress.

DSgamer64

:lol: Here comes the denial.

Compression = killing graphics. Also, do you have any idea how much more processing power would be required to stream data off a dual layer disc then it would a single layered one? The 360 drive is not fast enough to spin and stream all that data at such a high pace, it is easier to store a game on a single disc on one layer if possible and it will stream without massive loading times. So even if they can fit it onto a single DVD9, it is going to have longer load times.

Didn't this same arguement happen back with the size of RfoM? And Lair? And didn't it end up showing that alot of these notions were wrong? I don't know. However, judging by things like the PS1 and PS2 and how far they have gone with such a 'limited' format, I'm not too worried. Plus, this is all far far far down the road. I'm still playing great games on the 360. I'll go where the games go.

However, it still seems that Blu Ray was brought out too early. It will probably pay off later, but the PS3 is suffering more right now (this is just UT3 and I haven't heard much about other games having this issue) becuase of it. Still though, it's too early to see. Just have to wait and see (though I'm sure fanboys and their future-vision won't be able to keep from making moronic declarations... just look at the thread already. :roll:

I think the world agrees that microsoft screwed up with not making the HDD standard. I'm not fussed on blu-ray/hd-dvd as there are just as many people saying it's completely unnecessary as there are claiming it's needed. I think NEXT GEN is the gen whereby that kind of disc will be necessary.

What is necessary THIS gen however, is a hard drive. You can cache data, store files. It makes disc space much less of a problem, and microsoft were incredibly stupid not to include it just to make a more affordable version. I understand their logic that nobody used the xbox hard drive last gen, but that was LAST GEN. Of course you need a hard drive now.

Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="iwo4life"]A short game like GeoW took up most of 1 dvd. Bu Bu compression. Lazy Devs. What a bunch of Damage Control. I cant wait unitl a 9 level HayLow 3 ships.Ninja-Vox

Gears took up most of a DVD? :? Oblivion is huge, has gabillions of hours of audio and gameplay and only took up half a disc. Let's not be fanboys now. Halo certainly isn't having issues with disc space - heck look at all the content the game has. You think they'd be throwing in something like Forge if they didn't have room for more than nine levels, as you said?

[QUOTE="Tom_Brady860"]

Who buys UT on a console, cows with out a PC thats who

and you can simply download the maps on the 360, but you guys wouldnt know much about downloading anyways....

mazdaspeed-rx8

Who said you would have to pay for them ?

See you're stretching.

Most all of F.E.A.R.S maps are free.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="iwo4life"]A short game like GeoW took up most of 1 dvd. Bu Bu compression. Lazy Devs. What a bunch of Damage Control. I cant wait unitl a 9 level HayLow 3 ships.iwo4life

Gears took up most of a DVD? :? Oblivion is huge, has gabillions of hours of audio and gameplay and only took up half a disc. Let's not be fanboys now. Halo certainly isn't having issues with disc space - heck look at all the content the game has. You think they'd be throwing in something like Forge if they didn't have room for more than nine levels, as you said?

GeoW was 7.1GB. Perhaps there was redundant information on the disc but that is only to push critical info to the outer edge for speed reasons and to ensure the transfer rate was high enough for tard pack core users.

Oblivion is the most repetitive POS I have ever played. Same assets in every town. Every table was the same, every chair was the same. Every cave has the same texture, every oblivion gate has the same texture, every elvish ruin had the same texture. Huge game that gave you plenty to do but not exactly the most varied game I have every played. By the 3rd oblivion gate I was like uhhh.

H3 will ship with a MP and a SP disc. Believe. Finish the fight.

I'm with you on that, they repeat everything they can in this game. You can definately see how they got oblivion to fit on the DVD they repeat things everywhere.

[QUOTE="toni_xhoni"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="toni_xhoni"]

Well this is a big deal, especially for xbox 360's future.

Chaos_HL21

the 360 has AAA titles without the need of a new format.i dont see ur point and i wouldnt be surprise that this guy mark rein make some comments when the version of UT for the 360 comes out.he is just that kind of guy that is nice to something when one of its products is coming out for certain system.he is full of it

Well imagine if 360s AAA titles used bigger format discs (more space), they would have been so much better, with so many extras!

Yes they will magically become so much better an with more extras. Sure the DVD-9 is showing it age but it is not time to pull out the shotgun yet. With the Next Gen then yea it would be time for the DVD-9 to go the way of Old Yeller.

But it doesn't matter UT3 should be played on the PC, that is where it started and that is where I'll play it on (just have to upgrade my PC)

So basically what you are saying is the Bioshock will also be better on the pc huh? OK.

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="Tom_Brady860"]

Who buys UT on a console, cows with out a PC thats who

and you can simply download the maps on the 360, but you guys wouldnt know much about downloading anyways....

-Ninja_Dog-

Who said you would have to pay for them ?

See you're stretching.

Most all of F.E.A.R.S maps are free.

But...

But....

Blu ray is not needed

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="Tom_Brady860"]

Who buys UT on a console, cows with out a PC thats who

and you can simply download the maps on the 360, but you guys wouldnt know much about downloading anyways....

-Ninja_Dog-

Who said you would have to pay for them ?

See you're stretching.

Most all of F.E.A.R.S maps are free.

yah and gears of war and graw 2 maps arent

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

I think the world agrees that microsoft screwed up with not making the HDD standard. I'm not fussed on blu-ray/hd-dvd as there are just as many people saying it's completely unnecessary as there are claiming it's needed. I think NEXT GEN is the gen whereby that kind of disc will be necessary.

What is necessary THIS gen however, is a hard drive. You can cache data, store files. It makes disc space much less of a problem, and microsoft were incredibly stupid not to include it just to make a more affordable version. I understand their logic that nobody used the xbox hard drive last gen, but that was LAST GEN. Of course you need a hard drive now.

mazdaspeed-rx8

It wasn't MS fault about the HDD. it was the developers of the last gen. Xbox had the HDD and most devs did not use it, probably because the PS2 didn't use one. So MS figured why include a HDD if dev didn't use it last gen.

So blame the devs for not utilizing it last gen.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="iwo4life"]A short game like GeoW took up most of 1 dvd. Bu Bu compression. Lazy Devs. What a bunch of Damage Control. I cant wait unitl a 9 level HayLow 3 ships.iwo4life

Gears took up most of a DVD? :? Oblivion is huge, has gabillions of hours of audio and gameplay and only took up half a disc. Let's not be fanboys now. Halo certainly isn't having issues with disc space - heck look at all the content the game has. You think they'd be throwing in something like Forge if they didn't have room for more than nine levels, as you said?

GeoW was 7.1GB. Perhaps there was redundant information on the disc but that is only to push critical info to the outer edge for speed reasons and to ensure the transfer rate was high enough for tard pack core users.

Oblivion is the most repetitive POS I have ever played. Same assets in every town. Every table was the same, every chair was the same. Every cave has the same texture, every oblivion gate has the same texture, every elvish ruin had the same texture. Huge game that gave you plenty to do but not exactly the most varied game I have every played. By the 3rd oblivion gate I was like uhhh.

H3 will ship with a MP and a SP disc. Believe. Finish the fight.

pfft.....lmao, its fun to make crap up isnt it.

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

I think the world agrees that microsoft screwed up with not making the HDD standard. I'm not fussed on blu-ray/hd-dvd as there are just as many people saying it's completely unnecessary as there are claiming it's needed. I think NEXT GEN is the gen whereby that kind of disc will be necessary.

What is necessary THIS gen however, is a hard drive. You can cache data, store files. It makes disc space much less of a problem, and microsoft were incredibly stupid not to include it just to make a more affordable version. I understand their logic that nobody used the xbox hard drive last gen, but that was LAST GEN. Of course you need a hard drive now.

-Ninja_Dog-

It wasn't MS fault about the HDD. it was the developers of the last gen. Xbox had the HDD and most devs did not use it, probably because the PS2 didn't use one. So MS figured why include a HDD if dev didn't use it last gen.

So blame the devs for not utilizing it last gen.

LOL. Oblivion is awesome. Gears is a critical success. Then you say HALO3 will have SP and MP discs. The 360 has it all covered. Don't hate. Blu-ray will do about as well as Super Audio Disc or Betamax.

Nah its simple.

Epic got lazy because Blu Ray affords them more room.

So of course there going to be lazy about compression.

It has more to do with the space of BluRay then the lack of space on DVD 9.

In other wordsif there were no BR then Epic would just need to compress.

-Ninja_Dog-

I don't believe what people say anymore.

Blu-ray is the disc all these video games should be on.

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"][QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="Tom_Brady860"]

Who buys UT on a console, cows with out a PC thats who

and you can simply download the maps on the 360, but you guys wouldnt know much about downloading anyways....

mazdaspeed-rx8

Who said you would have to pay for them ?

See you're stretching.

Most all of F.E.A.R.S maps are free.

MS will charge for maps. The reason 360 UT3 will not feature mods is because MS wants to charge for them too. MicrotransactionSoft more like it.

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"][QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="Tom_Brady860"]

Who buys UT on a console, cows with out a PC thats who

and you can simply download the maps on the 360, but you guys wouldnt know much about downloading anyways....

mazdaspeed-rx8

Who said you would have to pay for them ?

See you're stretching.

Most all of F.E.A.R.S maps are free.

So.

You are running with is basically a possiblity at this point. As Epic has said it might have to cut content but nothing is set in stone yet.

I can honestly say I don't care. As I don't care for the overrated UT series.

But nothing is a for sure at this point.

All I see is cows excited at teh possibilty as is the case with most of them anyway

How bout we wait and see. Cows know how to wait right ?

Do you fanboys know anything about making maps in Unreal?

I do, I love making maps, its just fun.

Although I'm not professional by any means, I do know something many of you don't:

MAPS MAKE VERY SMALL FILE SIZES.

The most complicated, visually pleasing, and (in my opinion) most well made map in the game Unreal Tournament 2004 was called "Reconstuct". It was made by a modder named Rachel Cordone (Angel Mapper), who is a better map designer than the entire Unreal team.

This map was a 6.65 Megabyte download.

Obviously maps in UT3 are going to be bigger and more complicated, but due to the fact that Unreal Engine games are now relying a LOT more on Static Meshes than builder brushes, the size of the files aren't going to be THAT much bigger.

At the most, I see a map for UT3 being 30 Megs, and thats a LOT for Unreal, it will likely be nowhere near that big.

[QUOTE="jxditu"]

anyone who wants to play this game the way it was ment to be played needs to play it on the PC. unreal was released on the ps3 and dreamcast and never really took off. unreal championship was good because it was pretty much a console version. get the pc version which will be on DVD 9 not bluray.

toni_xhoni

Well either way its best played on a pc and ps3, and not the 360.

Two DVD-9s Fanboy

[QUOTE="iwo4life"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="iwo4life"]A short game like GeoW took up most of 1 dvd. Bu Bu compression. Lazy Devs. What a bunch of Damage Control. I cant wait unitl a 9 level HayLow 3 ships.Tom_Brady860

Gears took up most of a DVD? :? Oblivion is huge, has gabillions of hours of audio and gameplay and only took up half a disc. Let's not be fanboys now. Halo certainly isn't having issues with disc space - heck look at all the content the game has. You think they'd be throwing in something like Forge if they didn't have room for more than nine levels, as you said?

GeoW was 7.1GB. Perhaps there was redundant information on the disc but that is only to push critical info to the outer edge for speed reasons and to ensure the transfer rate was high enough for tard pack core users.

Oblivion is the most repetitive POS I have ever played. Same assets in every town. Every table was the same, every chair was the same. Every cave has the same texture, every oblivion gate has the same texture, every elvish ruin had the same texture. Huge game that gave you plenty to do but not exactly the most varied game I have every played. By the 3rd oblivion gate I was like uhhh.

H3 will ship with a MP and a SP disc. Believe. Finish the fight.

pfft.....lmao, its fun to make crap up isnt it.

That last part was me playing swami but I wouldn't doubt it. Although the H3 graphics don't seem that great. They could fit it all on 1 disc. :lol:

Who buys UT on a console, cows with out a PC thats who

and you can simply download the maps on the 360, but you guys wouldnt know much about downloading anyways....

Tom_Brady860

why pay when u can have them on the disk for free sir

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="toni_xhoni"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="toni_xhoni"]

Well this is a big deal, especially for xbox 360's future.

toni_xhoni

the 360 has AAA titles without the need of a new format.i dont see ur point and i wouldnt be surprise that this guy mark rein make some comments when the version of UT for the 360 comes out.he is just that kind of guy that is nice to something when one of its products is coming out for certain system.he is full of it

Well imagine if 360s AAA titles used bigger format discs (more space), they would have been so much better, with so many extras!

Yes they will magically become so much better an with more extras. Sure the DVD-9 is showing it age but it is not time to pull out the shotgun yet. With the Next Gen then yea it would be time for the DVD-9 to go the way of Old Yeller.

But it doesn't matter UT3 should be played on the PC, that is where it started and that is where I'll play it on (just have to upgrade my PC)

So basically what you are saying is the Bioshock will also be better on the pc huh? OK.

yeah but atleast the 360 gets both Bioshock and UT3.

anyone who wants to play this game the way it was ment to be played needs to play it on the PC. unreal was released on the ps3 and dreamcast and never really took off. unreal championship was good because it was pretty much a console version. get the pc version which will be on DVD 9 not bluray.

jxditu

well atleast their is keyboard and mouse play

[QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"][QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="Tom_Brady860"]

Who buys UT on a console, cows with out a PC thats who

and you can simply download the maps on the 360, but you guys wouldnt know much about downloading anyways....

iwo4life

Who said you would have to pay for them ?

See you're stretching.

Most all of F.E.A.R.S maps are free.

MS will charge for maps. The reason 360 UT3 will not feature mods is because MS wants to charge for them too. MicrotransactionSoft more like it.

Agreed..MS love takin money from lemmings.Milk them for all they got in their wallet...BlueRay is goin to be a great help for devlopers.. what happen to all the lemming sayin blue ray is usless?? lol

[QUOTE="toni_xhoni"][QUOTE="jxditu"]

anyone who wants to play this game the way it was ment to be played needs to play it on the PC. unreal was released on the ps3 and dreamcast and never really took off. unreal championship was good because it was pretty much a console version. get the pc version which will be on DVD 9 not bluray.

KillaHalo2o9

Well either way its best played on a pc and ps3, and not the 360.

Two DVD-9s Fanboy

Well have fun opening and closing you disk tray everytime :?

Do you fanboys know anything about making maps in Unreal?

I do, I love making maps, its just fun.

Although I'm not professional by any means, I do know something many of you don't:

MAPS MAKE VERY SMALL FILE SIZES.

The most complicated, visually pleasing, and (in my opinion) most well made map in the game Unreal Tournament 2004 was called "Reconstuct". It was made by a modder named Rachel Cordone (Angel Mapper), who is a better map designer than the entire Unreal team.

This map was a 6.65 Megabyte download.

Obviously maps in UT3 are going to be bigger and more complicated, but due to the fact that Unreal Engine games are now relying a LOT more on Static Meshes than builder brushes, the size of the files aren't going to be THAT much bigger.

At the most, I see a map for UT3 being 30 Megs, and thats a LOT for Unreal, it will likely be nowhere near that big.

Big_Red_Button

Agreed

[QUOTE="jxditu"]

anyone who wants to play this game the way it was ment to be played needs to play it on the PC. unreal was released on the ps3 and dreamcast and never really took off. unreal championship was good because it was pretty much a console version. get the pc version which will be on DVD 9 not bluray.

mgsbethatgame

well atleast their is keyboard and mouse play

Epic said ps3 and pc is almost identical to eachother.. anyone who want to use keyboad and mouse can do so with the ps3..either way im gettin the ps3 version

Nah its simple.

Epic got lazy because Blu Ray affords them more room.

So of course there going to be lazy about compression.

It has more to do with the space of BluRay then the lack of space on DVD 9.

In other wordsif there were no BR then Epic would just need to compress.

-Ninja_Dog-

In Other Words Drop the Quality of the game it self?

If MS lets Epic put them up for download at no cost, then I don't care.Sooshy

You expect those for free with M$ calling the Shots????

[QUOTE="toni_xhoni"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="toni_xhoni"]

Well this is a big deal, especially for xbox 360's future.

Chaos_HL21

the 360 has AAA titles without the need of a new format.i dont see ur point and i wouldnt be surprise that this guy mark rein make some comments when the version of UT for the 360 comes out.he is just that kind of guy that is nice to something when one of its products is coming out for certain system.he is full of it

Well imagine if 360s AAA titles used bigger format discs (more space), they would have been so much better, with so many extras!

Yes they will magically become so much better an with more extras. Sure the DVD-9 is showing it age but it is not time to pull out the shotgun yet. With the Next Gen then yea it would be time for the DVD-9 to go the way of Old Yeller.

But it doesn't matter UT3 should be played on the PC, that is where it started and that is where I'll play it on (just have to upgrade my PC)

Where is should be played? What? The PS3 version will be great, yet... for some odd reason, according to you it shouldn't be played on the PS3? Get real..

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]If MS lets Epic put them up for download at no cost, then I don't care.Blinblingthing

You expect those for free with M$ calling the Shots????

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]If MS lets Epic put them up for download at no cost, then I don't care.Blinblingthing

You expect those for free with M$ calling the Shots????

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="toni_xhoni"][QUOTE="OldParr"][QUOTE="toni_xhoni"]

Well this is a big deal, especially for xbox 360's future.

Primevil702

the 360 has AAA titles without the need of a new format.i dont see ur point and i wouldnt be surprise that this guy mark rein make some comments when the version of UT for the 360 comes out.he is just that kind of guy that is nice to something when one of its products is coming out for certain system.he is full of it

Well imagine if 360s AAA titles used bigger format discs (more space), they would have been so much better, with so many extras!

Yes they will magically become so much better an with more extras. Sure the DVD-9 is showing it age but it is not time to pull out the shotgun yet. With the Next Gen then yea it would be time for the DVD-9 to go the way of Old Yeller.

But it doesn't matter UT3 should be played on the PC, that is where it started and that is where I'll play it on (just have to upgrade my PC)

Where is should be played? What? The PS3 version will be great, yet... for some odd reason, according to you it shouldn't be played on the PS3? Get real..

Mods- Yes, technically they exist on the PS3, but they make you jump through hoops and sell your soul to satan just to get them up for download.

90% of the Unreal modding community just isn't going to bother. You'll be missing out on hundreds, if not thousands of mods.

ENTIRE GAMES. Not just new maps, not just new weapons, ENTIRELY NEW GAMES that PC modders will make, and most of them won't put them up on the PSN (whatever they call it).

PS3 owners are missing out on what REAL MODDING is about- FREEDOM. Not a select few corporate approved mods. The FREEDOM for ANYONE with a good idea to make it, the FREEDOM for ANYONE to share in that idea, to become a community of people with creativity.

That is what the PC version is about. Mods are so much more complicated than you could ever understand if you've never experienced their full glory.

*tear comes out of eye*

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

Nah its simple.

Epic got lazy because Blu Ray affords them more room.

So of course there going to be lazy about compression.

It has more to do with the space of BluRay then the lack of space on DVD 9.

In other wordsif there were no BR then Epic would just need to compress.

DSgamer64

:lol: Here comes the denial.

Compression = killing graphics. Also, do you have any idea how much more processing power would be required to stream data off a dual layer disc then it would a single layered one? The 360 drive is not fast enough to spin and stream all that data at such a high pace, it is easier to store a game on a single disc on one layer if possible and it will stream without massive loading times. So even if they can fit it onto a single DVD9, it is going to have longer load times.

I didn't believe this so I did some research. Apparently, the 360 12X Dvd drive can read DVD9s at the same speed as Ps3's 2x BR can read BD25 discs.

So basically what you are saying is the Bioshock will also be better on the pc huh? OK.toni_xhoni

Yes, I would get Bioshock for the PCmy said PC is getting out of date (but this isn't about Bioshock, this is aboutUT3), and spend the money to upgrade on a PS3 (wanted to get one before the 60GB ones sold out, wanted to have hardware BC).

Wow. Thats some hardcore Pwnage on lemmings.

Especially coming from the guys who gave 360 an awsome franchise, Gears.

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"][QUOTE="mazdaspeed-rx8"][QUOTE="Tom_Brady860"]

Who buys UT on a console, cows with out a PC thats who

and you can simply download the maps on the 360, but you guys wouldnt know much about downloading anyways....

mazdaspeed-rx8

Who said you would have to pay for them ?

See you're stretching.

Most all of F.E.A.R.S maps are free.

MS isnt publishing UT3 you silly tit, so they have no say whatsoever about whether UT3 maps will be free or not :roll:

The point of this thread is that Blu-Ray is needed now, and will be needed in the future.

Wow. Thats some hardcore Pwnage on lemmings.

Especially coming from the guys who gave 360 an awsome franchise, Gears.

Solid-CELL

doesn't get anymore hardcore.

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

Nah its simple.

Epic got lazy because Blu Ray affords them more room.

So of course there going to be lazy about compression.

It has more to do with the space of BluRay then the lack of space on DVD 9.

In other wordsif there were no BR then Epic would just need to compress.

DSgamer64

:lol: Here comes the denial.

Compression = killing graphics. Also, do you have any idea how much more processing power would be required to stream data off a dual layer disc then it would a single layered one? The 360 drive is not fast enough to spin and stream all that data at such a high pace, it is easier to store a game on a single disc on one layer if possible and it will stream without massive loading times. So even if they can fit it onto a single DVD9, it is going to have longer load times.

Except your statement fails so much, take a look at Mass Effect.

Wow. Thats some hardcore Pwnage on lemmings.

Especially coming from the guys who gave 360 an awsome franchise, Gears.

Solid-CELL

May:

PS3 for the long-term playing... 360 for 2005-2007 playing. that's it.SambaLele

agreed