Xbox 720 to not have blu-ray.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10118975-17.html

"The single benefit Blu-ray provides to developers is its capacity. But once another generation rolls around, doesn't it stand to reason that producing DVDs will be even less expensive and that it may yield a more cost-effective approach than using Blu-ray anyway?
Beyond cost, what's so bad with DVD? The games look perfectly fine on the format, most developers haven't had too much trouble developing for DVDs, and even fewer have spent time complaining that it's not as capable as Blu-ray. In fact, I've heard more gripes from developers about Blu-ray than DVD lately.

But we also can't forget that gaming is moving in an entirely different. Over the next few generations, the need for media like DVD or Blu-ray will diminish and games will be purchased over the Web and downloaded to a hard drive on the console. It's already happening now in small amounts. But rest assured that as the industry realizes the benefit of sending games directly to you and Blu-ray loses its fight against streaming, you can bet that all this talk about formats will be just another stepping stone in the storied history of gaming."

Discuss

Blu-Ray is more a luxury than a necessity. HoldThePhone

honestly I think it would be dumb not to include blu ray. Since it already won. I want it to become the dominat format. I want a bluray burner so I can burn all my anime on one blu ray disk.too_much_eslim

This is a mute topic. We've been at this before.

Blu-ray= Massive space, HD, but slow as mud for games, and need an hd tv to get max output and no vga connection.

Digital dispersion= Space based on HDD,fast to play, but not everyone has a fast enough connection or a connection at all to use.

Can we say that they both will be used in the future and it up to the buyer which way they get it?

I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.ZimpanX

How could you actually argue against Blu Ray? It won the format war, that alone makes it's extremely welcome, not to mention devs sometimes throw in extra just because they have that extra space, with dvd's they'll cut back if it isn't enough to warrant a second dvd for example. It isn't exactly rocket science,

Blu Ray > DvD.

Edit: Did I mention the Blu Ray discs are WAY more reliable? Not even an xbox would scratch those babies.

They have a very clever anti pirate system too.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]honestly I think it would be dumb not to include blu ray. Since it already won. I want it to become the dominat format. I want a bluray burner so I can burn all my anime on one blu ray disk.Animal-Mother

Its not hurting the 360 right now, what exactly is needed about it? It will just make the "720" more expensive, we see how well that turned out..:lol:hopesfall2own

Its not hurting the 360 right now, what exactly is needed about it? It will just make the "720" more expensive, we see how well that turned out..:lol:hopesfall2own

[QUOTE="ZimpanX"]I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.Animal-Mother

How could you actually argue against Blu Ray? It won the format war, that alone makes it's extremely welcome, not to mention devs sometimes throw in extra just because they have that extra space, with dvd's they'll cut back if it isn't enough to warrant a second dvd for example. It isn't exactly rocket science,

Blu Ray > DvD.

Edit: Did I mention the Blu Ray discs are WAY more reliable? Not even an xbox would scratch those babies.

They have a very clever anti pirate system too.

Eddie-Vedder

And that is only bad thing about it

Screw Blu-ray. You know what they should do? Continue with the "fully installable games" approach, but toss in a 1TB or 2TB HDD in every console. Standard spinning HDDs at that size will be very inexpensive by 2010. they can do it. space issue solved. developers can continue to use dirt-cheap DVDs...and gamers will just install the games to their computer, needing only the first disc for verification of ownership to run the game.

installed games will me much faster load times than any BD-based game can offer, along with all the benefits of nearly unlimited space for installs.

win.

I have said it ever since the Bluray vs HDDVD. These 2 formats are useless and as time goes by will become more and more useless. As everybody can already see, HDD are going to be the format to have your games on. PS3 and 360 both have game installs. So you will have the option of downloading your game or installing off a dvd(I would still prefer this one). Yes on dvds it will come on multiple disce but it wont matter when you install it to your HDD one time and one time only. Dvds are cheaper and games load faster off of HDDs. Also the Flash factor will come into play and has taken over burning to disc as a way of taking data with you. Expect both Sony and MS to soon allow you to use any HDD to install your games onto. I expect MS to have full 360 game download by the end of 2009 and hopefully they will allow the use of any HDD or at least certain HDDs with the appropriate specs. Disc era is ending and Flash is and will be the future.

1TB of HDD = $100 and I know you can find it for less.

64gb of flash = $115 prices are falling fast and will continue to drop faster and faster.

How could you actually argue against Blu Ray? It won the format war, that alone makes it's extremely welcome, not to mention devs sometimes throw in extra just because they have that extra space, with dvd's they'll cut back if it isn't enough to warrant a second dvd for example. It isn't exactly rocket science,

Blu Ray > DvD.

Edit: Did I mention the Blu Ray discs are WAY more reliable? Not even an xbox would scratch those babies.

They have a very clever anti pirate system too.

And that is only bad thing about it

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="ZimpanX"]I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.dreman999

Screw Blu-ray. You know what they should do? Continue with the "fully installable games" approach, but toss in a 1TB or 2TB HDD in every console. Standard spinning HDDs at that size will be very inexpensive by 2010. they can do it. space issue solved. developers can continue to use dirt-cheap DVDs...and gamers will just install the games to their computer, needing only the first disc for verification of ownership to run the game.

installed games will me much faster load times than any BD-based game can offer, along with all the benefits of nearly unlimited space for installs.

win.

Dreams-Visions

bad move by MS. DVDs are nearly maxing out space on xbox games already. when the next gen system comes out, theyre going to need at least 3 disks for a single game. also, as the years go on, bluray movies will pick up speed, and many people will buy a console, just for the bluray playerSword-Demon

Check my blog for some pics.Republican11

honestly I think it would be dumb not to include blu ray. Since it already won. I want it to become the dominat format. I want a bluray burner so I can burn all my anime on one blu ray disk.too_much_eslim

I hope that DD doesnt become the norm. I enjoy collecting, and seeing all my games and their cases. Check my blog for some pics.Republican11

Screw Blu-ray. You know what they should do? Continue with the "fully installable games" approach, but toss in a 1TB or 2TB HDD in every console. Standard spinning HDDs at that size will be very inexpensive by 2010. they can do it. space issue solved. developers can continue to use dirt-cheap DVDs...and gamers will just install the games to their computer, needing only the first disc for verification of ownership to run the game.

installed games will me much faster load times than any BD-based game can offer, along with all the benefits of nearly unlimited space for installs.

win.

Dreams-Visions

You didn't think that through did you? Blu-ray would be better. The maxium read speed for DVD that exists so far is 22x. 8x blu-ray would smoke 22x DVD's maxium read speed and even though DVD would cost nothing by 2012, 8x blu-ray will be very cheap, too. Blu-ray would not only give you better load or install times but more space. Plus the cost of 1TB or 2TB of HDD would be near nothing by 2012 so the cost of it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

Screw Blu-ray. You know what they should do? Continue with the "fully installable games" approach, but toss in a 1TB or 2TB HDD in every console. Standard spinning HDDs at that size will be very inexpensive by 2010. they can do it. space issue solved. developers can continue to use dirt-cheap DVDs...and gamers will just install the games to their computer, needing only the first disc for verification of ownership to run the game.

installed games will me much faster load times than any BD-based game can offer, along with all the benefits of nearly unlimited space for installs.

win.

munu9

You didn't think that through did you? Blu-ray would be better. The maxium read speed for DVD that exists so far is 22x. 8x blu-ray would smoke 22x DVD's maxium read speed and even though DVD would cost nothing by 2012, 8x blu-ray will be very cheap, too. Blu-ray would not only give you better load or install times but more space. Plus the cost of 1TB or 2TB of HDD would be near nothing by 2012 so the cost of it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]bad move by MS. DVDs are nearly maxing out space on xbox games already. when the next gen system comes out, theyre going to need at least 3 disks for a single game. also, as the years go on, bluray movies will pick up speed, and many people will buy a console, just for the bluray playerbalindos

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]honestly I think it would be dumb not to include blu ray. Since it already won. I want it to become the dominat format. I want a bluray burner so I can burn all my anime on one blu ray disk.DivinitySkate

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]honestly I think it would be dumb not to include blu ray. Since it already won. I want it to become the dominat format. I want a bluray burner so I can burn all my anime on one blu ray disk.DivinitySkate

[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

Screw Blu-ray. You know what they should do? Continue with the "fully installable games" approach, but toss in a 1TB or 2TB HDD in every console. Standard spinning HDDs at that size will be very inexpensive by 2010. they can do it. space issue solved. developers can continue to use dirt-cheap DVDs...and gamers will just install the games to their computer, needing only the first disc for verification of ownership to run the game.

installed games will me much faster load times than any BD-based game can offer, along with all the benefits of nearly unlimited space for installs.

win.

DivinitySkate

You didn't think that through did you? Blu-ray would be better. The maxium read speed for DVD that exists so far is 22x. 8x blu-ray would smoke 22x DVD's maxium read speed and even though DVD would cost nothing by 2012, 8x blu-ray will be very cheap, too. Blu-ray would not only give you better load or install times but more space. Plus the cost of 1TB or 2TB of HDD would be near nothing by 2012 so the cost of it doesn't matter.

wow thats stupid. what happens when games start becoming like 20-30gb??? that has already happened to a few games that need multiple discs...fluffers623

The TC needs to change the header to Xbox 720 speculated not to have Blu ray...In no way does the cnet article *which so happens to have shown quite a few times in the top right avertisng area for cnet sites* have any concrete memos, and or quotes by Microsoft, Microsoft Execs, PR, Or employee's saying that the next xbox will not have blu ray....Its all speculation on the part of the articles author, The TC needs to reflect it so we can stop geting replies of which a few so far of thats a big mistake on microsofts part...ect

for people saying Blu Ray as a whole is slow think about this A 6x blu ray drive is twice the speed of the 360s drive which means zero installs and zero pop ins and very quiet (due to low RPM) In fact i don't think theres a dvd drive on the market the can keep up with 6x blu raymicky4889

yes but the ps3 nor the next xbox will have a 6x reader i mean seriously? do you know how much they cost? 250-400$