Xbox 720 to not have blu-ray.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"]Opps, what does BD offer over another format with as much disk space?Chutebox

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]Its not hurting the 360 right now, what exactly is needed about it? It will just make the "720" more expensive, we see how well that turned out..:lol:Animal-Mother

OK, but as time goes by, people use more and more HDD space, people download more data and Game developers will start making bigger and bigger games.

Assassins creed for example. Ubisoft could not fit it properly onto a DVD9. They had to work with Microsoft to super compress the game to JUST fit into a DVD9 disk.

I want a media where i can just shove all of my files onto a single disk. It makes me kind pissed when i have to always put it into multiple DVD's.

And blu ray disks and drives are getting cheaper and cheaper. What the hells the point of having a DVD for when it gets to that point?

O and also about load times lol. I dont think you's realize that the blu ray laser has a much higher data read/write capacity than a DVD laser.

http://au.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23916169&user=skektek

Read that. Also it is possible to double (or 1.5x atleast) the rotational speed of the motor with a firmware update for the ps3.

So yea. Blu-ray is a damn smart move. The draw back was just its initial cost.

e011234

i don't know if anyone thought of this yet HD-DVD may be a dead format, but why not use it in the next xbox, it would be dirt cheap, and it would only be used for games so it wouldn't matter that it's obsolete as a film format,just cos it isn't used for anything else doesn't mean you can't use it in a games console and how many HD-DVD players are sitting around gathering dust at MS depots.delta3074

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"]Opps, what does BD offer over another format with as much disk space?imprezawrx500

Uhhh, who are these developers complaining about Blu-ray? :? Not the read speeds but th format itself? And even then the read speeds can be solved with a mandatory install.

If I were Sony I wouldnt give Blu-ray t any rival console. It could lead to a repeat of the 5th generation for them..

A few key points

Sony is not the exclusive patent holder on blu ray tech or manufacturing process....Infact like cds, and dvd i look at them as more of a financial backer and not an actual inivator. There are quite a few head companies in the blu ray consotrium with alot of smaller companies so any money being paid out for go to alot of these companies not just sony.

Sony CANNOT freeze microsoft out they cannot refuse to give them tech when they weren't the only ones that created that tech, Microsoft could easily join the BC and get access to said tech and manufacturing processes.

Microsoft does not have to pay or join said BC since blu ray is a standardized format they would only have to pay for the processing in making said product if they were to have someone invent or invent them selves how to process then they could make blu ray without a dollar paid to the BC or sony.

The TC's article is speculation there is no proof or quotes from microsoft that they wont use blu ray in the 8th generation.

Sounds like Xbox Wii.... Jees this isn't looking good.

Costs this, costs that. So they wanna make the cheapest system they can. Which means no more tech advances or at-least a very small one.

No thanks, that's the reason I buy consoles to take a step up... Not a step back.

So what price they aiming at $300, $250 or $200?

God help us grown up gamers!

still haven't seen a PS3 game that proves it's necessary, plus swapping disks didn't ruin Lost Odyssey for me in the least3picuri3

Blu-Ray is more a luxury than a necessity. HoldThePhone

I don't buy the cost and speed arguement at all. Since the format war is over by the time the next xbox comes out blu-ray drives and discs should be relatively inexpensive. The difference between DVD and blu-ray prices narrow. If they don't go with blu-ray I would be pretty certain that they also won't be going with dvds. They'll probably create a proprietary format of their own instead. They'll save royalty fees and make their system harder to pirate as well.Recca168

I don't think MS will stick to DVD as there simply isn't enough space. Downloading games instead of having them on disc as the main focus will surely happen, but it still feels a lil' bit early for that I think.ZimpanX

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]still haven't seen a PS3 game that proves it's necessary, plus swapping disks didn't ruin Lost Odyssey for me in the leastAnimal-Mother

still haven't seen a PS3 game that proves it's necessary, plus swapping disks didn't ruin Lost Odyssey for me in the least3picuri3

Edit: whoops! Quoted wrong dude....oh well, I'mleaving it!

People calling the next MS console Xbox 720 really makes me wonder if they understand the Xbox 360 name to begin with. :|

Video Games in 1985 were a fraction of a megabyte, games in 1995 were 500mb, games in 2000 were 1gb, games in 2008 are 7gb, if you think it's suddenly going to stop there, then the only reason for such ignorance is that you've only been following the game industry for roughly 2 years, or you're completely inept to technology. Either way, you have no right to give any insight on such an issue. Developers are already complaining to Microsoft about their limited space, and as a result of their dominant market share, along with the Wii, their holding back game developers from taking advantage of higher data capacaties. Even now games like MGS4 are taking advantage of the Blu-Ray disc, and others will follow suit. Microsoft is going to follow suit with the Wii next generation by aiming towards casual audiences. That's why they're including Avatars in NXE, that's why their not including Blu-Ray next year, besides withholding profits from Sony, that's why there is almost no good games coming for the hardcore audiences in the future. The Wii is dominating the market, and Microsoft vyes to take a chunk of that, and they're already showing signs of starting to. Microsoft has the power to take over that market, while Sony couldn't even begin to try. Sony will continue to aim for the hardcore market, instead of jumping into the flames, I mean it seems like a gamble anyways, who the hell knows what casuals want nowadays, Wii Fit? Wii Music? Hell are those even games? I don't know what people see in buying stupid crap like that, but I guess Nintendo does.

........ The gaming market expanding was the worst thing to happen to the market.

Blu-Ray is more a luxury than a necessity. HoldThePhone

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]still haven't seen a PS3 game that proves it's necessary, plus swapping disks didn't ruin Lost Odyssey for me in the leastChutebox

Edit: whoops! Quoted wrong dude....oh well, I'mleaving it!

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]still haven't seen a PS3 game that proves it's necessary, plus swapping disks didn't ruin Lost Odyssey for me in the least3picuri3

Edit: whoops! Quoted wrong dude....oh well, I'mleaving it!

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]Blu-Ray is more a luxury than a necessity. Shiftfallout

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] A launch Ps3 game took advantage of BD...

Edit: whoops! Quoted wrong dude....oh well, I'mleaving it!

Chutebox

and if anything i'd argue that managing space for mandatory installs is more of a hindrance than anything.

People calling the next MS console Xbox 720 really makes me wonder if they understand the Xbox 360 name to begin with. :|

Puckhog04

They should change it to the xbox 420 instead :D

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

People calling the next MS console Xbox 720 really makes me wonder if they understand the Xbox 360 name to begin with. :|

Recca168

They should change it to the xbox 420 instead :D

That would be interesting indeed. Could possibly increase sales of the console...;)

[QUOTE="Shiftfallout"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]Blu-Ray is more a luxury than a necessity. 3picuri3

[QUOTE="subrosian"]There's really little reason for games to come on physical media at all. The future is digital.jakarai

Yes 20 to 30 years from now. As long as broadband is not free and everyone doesn't have a computer their will always be disc based media.

I will never buy downloadable games that are 10+ gb because if they are terrible I have no way of selling it.

I hope that DD doesnt become the norm. I enjoy collecting, and seeing all my games and their cases. Check my blog for some pics.Republican11

You would still be collecting games, as well as be able to see them. You just wouldn't be collecting or seeing their cases.

This is a mute topic. We've been at this before.

Blu-ray= Massive space, HD, but slow as mud for games

dreman999

[QUOTE="Republican11"]I hope that DD doesnt become the norm. I enjoy collecting, and seeing all my games and their cases. Check my blog for some pics.Hexagon_777

You would still be collecting games, as well as be able to see them. You just wouldn't be collecting or seeing their cases.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Republican11"]I hope that DD doesnt become the norm. I enjoy collecting, and seeing all my games and their cases. Check my blog for some pics.Captain__Tripps

You would still be collecting games, as well as be able to see them. You just wouldn't be collecting or seeing their cases.

Nope.. You can't see them, no disk, no manual, no box = no sale. If they passed the savings of no manufacturing onto the end-user, maybe. But they won't.

The disk, the manual and the box don't make the game. The actual data does, may it be distributed via digital distribution or a disk.

honestly I think it would be dumb not to include blu ray. Since it already won. I want it to become the dominat format. I want a bluray burner so I can burn all my anime on one blu ray disk.too_much_eslim

Blu Ray will be in all next generation consoles I think that is a given at this point. It would be suicide to not include it for next generation of HD gaming.jakarai

I highly doubt Nintendo will use Blu Ray.

I dont think that makes sence..

People will still buy discs.. and when the next gen comes games will get better looking, meaning more disc space is almost certainly required.

I dont think that makes sence..

People will still buy discs.. and when the next gen comes games will get better looking, meaning more disc space is almost certainly required.

omgimba

I said this already, I know what I typed was larger then one paragraph, but I'm sure if you all muster up the strength you can complete it. Read the thread before you post.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]honestly I think it would be dumb not to include blu ray. Since it already won. I want it to become the dominat format. I want a bluray burner so I can burn all my anime on one blu ray disk.FatalDomain